$p$-torsion elements and exact sequence

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I have an exact sequence $$0 rightarrow U rightarrow V rightarrow V/U rightarrow 0,$$ where $U,V, V/U$ are $mathbbZ_p[G]$ modules for a finite $p$-group $G$. Does it imply that the following sequence $$0 rightarrow U[p^j] rightarrow V[p^j] rightarrow (V/U)[p^j] rightarrow 0$$ is exact? If not, what are the conditions on $U$ and $V$ to make it exact?



Here $U[p^j]$ are the $p^j$ torsion elements of $U$, $j in mathbbN$. I cannot show that the natural projection map $$ V[p^j] rightarrow (V/U)[p^j] $$ is surjective. Thanks for your help.










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    Isn’t $V[p^m]=textHom(Bbb Z/p^mBbb Z,V)$ ? If so, I think you have your answer.
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I have an exact sequence $$0 rightarrow U rightarrow V rightarrow V/U rightarrow 0,$$ where $U,V, V/U$ are $mathbbZ_p[G]$ modules for a finite $p$-group $G$. Does it imply that the following sequence $$0 rightarrow U[p^j] rightarrow V[p^j] rightarrow (V/U)[p^j] rightarrow 0$$ is exact? If not, what are the conditions on $U$ and $V$ to make it exact?



Here $U[p^j]$ are the $p^j$ torsion elements of $U$, $j in mathbbN$. I cannot show that the natural projection map $$ V[p^j] rightarrow (V/U)[p^j] $$ is surjective. Thanks for your help.










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    Isn’t $V[p^m]=textHom(Bbb Z/p^mBbb Z,V)$ ? If so, I think you have your answer.
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I have an exact sequence $$0 rightarrow U rightarrow V rightarrow V/U rightarrow 0,$$ where $U,V, V/U$ are $mathbbZ_p[G]$ modules for a finite $p$-group $G$. Does it imply that the following sequence $$0 rightarrow U[p^j] rightarrow V[p^j] rightarrow (V/U)[p^j] rightarrow 0$$ is exact? If not, what are the conditions on $U$ and $V$ to make it exact?



Here $U[p^j]$ are the $p^j$ torsion elements of $U$, $j in mathbbN$. I cannot show that the natural projection map $$ V[p^j] rightarrow (V/U)[p^j] $$ is surjective. Thanks for your help.










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I have an exact sequence $$0 rightarrow U rightarrow V rightarrow V/U rightarrow 0,$$ where $U,V, V/U$ are $mathbbZ_p[G]$ modules for a finite $p$-group $G$. Does it imply that the following sequence $$0 rightarrow U[p^j] rightarrow V[p^j] rightarrow (V/U)[p^j] rightarrow 0$$ is exact? If not, what are the conditions on $U$ and $V$ to make it exact?



Here $U[p^j]$ are the $p^j$ torsion elements of $U$, $j in mathbbN$. I cannot show that the natural projection map $$ V[p^j] rightarrow (V/U)[p^j] $$ is surjective. Thanks for your help.







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    Isn’t $V[p^m]=textHom(Bbb Z/p^mBbb Z,V)$ ? If so, I think you have your answer.
    – Lubin
    Sep 1 at 2:26












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    Isn’t $V[p^m]=textHom(Bbb Z/p^mBbb Z,V)$ ? If so, I think you have your answer.
    – Lubin
    Sep 1 at 2:26







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Isn’t $V[p^m]=textHom(Bbb Z/p^mBbb Z,V)$ ? If so, I think you have your answer.
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Isn’t $V[p^m]=textHom(Bbb Z/p^mBbb Z,V)$ ? If so, I think you have your answer.
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Let us consider the diagram:



$requireAMScd$
beginCD
0 @>>> U @>>> V @>>> V/U @>>> 0\
@. @Vp^jVV @Vp^jVV @Vp^jVV \
0 @>>> U @>>> V @>>> V/U @>>> 0
endCD



There is a long exact sequence with six terms coming from the long exact sequence in homology. The homology of the "left (vertical) complex" $Uoversetp^jto U$ (expanded with zero objects in other degrees) in the "first $U$", the upper one in the diagram, is the kernel of $p^j$, so it is $U[p^j]$.



The cokernel is $U/p^j$, the homology taken in the position of the "lower $U$".



Same for the other vertical complexes. We get thus the "long" exact sequence:
$$
0
to U[p^j]
to V[p^j]
to (V/U)[p^j]
colorredoversetdeltato U/p^j
to V/p^j
to (V/U)/p^j
to 0 .
$$
The above delta morphism captures the information to answer the OP. It cannot be said more in this generality. (A split extension or a zero target for $delta$ would be fine...)






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    Let us consider the diagram:



    $requireAMScd$
    beginCD
    0 @>>> U @>>> V @>>> V/U @>>> 0\
    @. @Vp^jVV @Vp^jVV @Vp^jVV \
    0 @>>> U @>>> V @>>> V/U @>>> 0
    endCD



    There is a long exact sequence with six terms coming from the long exact sequence in homology. The homology of the "left (vertical) complex" $Uoversetp^jto U$ (expanded with zero objects in other degrees) in the "first $U$", the upper one in the diagram, is the kernel of $p^j$, so it is $U[p^j]$.



    The cokernel is $U/p^j$, the homology taken in the position of the "lower $U$".



    Same for the other vertical complexes. We get thus the "long" exact sequence:
    $$
    0
    to U[p^j]
    to V[p^j]
    to (V/U)[p^j]
    colorredoversetdeltato U/p^j
    to V/p^j
    to (V/U)/p^j
    to 0 .
    $$
    The above delta morphism captures the information to answer the OP. It cannot be said more in this generality. (A split extension or a zero target for $delta$ would be fine...)






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      Let us consider the diagram:



      $requireAMScd$
      beginCD
      0 @>>> U @>>> V @>>> V/U @>>> 0\
      @. @Vp^jVV @Vp^jVV @Vp^jVV \
      0 @>>> U @>>> V @>>> V/U @>>> 0
      endCD



      There is a long exact sequence with six terms coming from the long exact sequence in homology. The homology of the "left (vertical) complex" $Uoversetp^jto U$ (expanded with zero objects in other degrees) in the "first $U$", the upper one in the diagram, is the kernel of $p^j$, so it is $U[p^j]$.



      The cokernel is $U/p^j$, the homology taken in the position of the "lower $U$".



      Same for the other vertical complexes. We get thus the "long" exact sequence:
      $$
      0
      to U[p^j]
      to V[p^j]
      to (V/U)[p^j]
      colorredoversetdeltato U/p^j
      to V/p^j
      to (V/U)/p^j
      to 0 .
      $$
      The above delta morphism captures the information to answer the OP. It cannot be said more in this generality. (A split extension or a zero target for $delta$ would be fine...)






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        Let us consider the diagram:



        $requireAMScd$
        beginCD
        0 @>>> U @>>> V @>>> V/U @>>> 0\
        @. @Vp^jVV @Vp^jVV @Vp^jVV \
        0 @>>> U @>>> V @>>> V/U @>>> 0
        endCD



        There is a long exact sequence with six terms coming from the long exact sequence in homology. The homology of the "left (vertical) complex" $Uoversetp^jto U$ (expanded with zero objects in other degrees) in the "first $U$", the upper one in the diagram, is the kernel of $p^j$, so it is $U[p^j]$.



        The cokernel is $U/p^j$, the homology taken in the position of the "lower $U$".



        Same for the other vertical complexes. We get thus the "long" exact sequence:
        $$
        0
        to U[p^j]
        to V[p^j]
        to (V/U)[p^j]
        colorredoversetdeltato U/p^j
        to V/p^j
        to (V/U)/p^j
        to 0 .
        $$
        The above delta morphism captures the information to answer the OP. It cannot be said more in this generality. (A split extension or a zero target for $delta$ would be fine...)






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        Let us consider the diagram:



        $requireAMScd$
        beginCD
        0 @>>> U @>>> V @>>> V/U @>>> 0\
        @. @Vp^jVV @Vp^jVV @Vp^jVV \
        0 @>>> U @>>> V @>>> V/U @>>> 0
        endCD



        There is a long exact sequence with six terms coming from the long exact sequence in homology. The homology of the "left (vertical) complex" $Uoversetp^jto U$ (expanded with zero objects in other degrees) in the "first $U$", the upper one in the diagram, is the kernel of $p^j$, so it is $U[p^j]$.



        The cokernel is $U/p^j$, the homology taken in the position of the "lower $U$".



        Same for the other vertical complexes. We get thus the "long" exact sequence:
        $$
        0
        to U[p^j]
        to V[p^j]
        to (V/U)[p^j]
        colorredoversetdeltato U/p^j
        to V/p^j
        to (V/U)/p^j
        to 0 .
        $$
        The above delta morphism captures the information to answer the OP. It cannot be said more in this generality. (A split extension or a zero target for $delta$ would be fine...)







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