Norm of a linear operator from $mathbbR^2tomathbbR^3$

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Find $|T|_mathcalL$ where $TinmathcalL(mathbbR^2,mathbbR^3)$ is defined by $$T(mathbfx)=(x,2x, 3x) forall mathbfx=(x,y)inmathbbR^2$$
My approach



  1. $T$ is a linear operator (easy to prove);

  2. $|mathbfx|=sqrtx^2+y^2 forall mathbfxinmathbbR^2$

  3. $|T(mathbfx)|=sqrtx^2+4x^2+9x^2=sqrt14|x|$

so



$fracmathbfx=fracxsqrtx^2+y^2lefracx=sqrt14 forallmathbfxne mathbf0$



This means that $|T|_mathcalLlesqrt14$. For $mathbfx=(1,0)$ we have that $|T(mathbfx)|=sqrt14$ so $|T|_mathcalL=sqrt14$.



Second approach



Let $mathbfx$ be a unitary vector of $mathbbR^2$, such that
$$|mathbbx|=1implies x^2+y^2=1 to |x|=sqrt1-y^2 forall yin [-1,1]$$



so



$$|T(mathbfx)|=sqrt14|x|=sqrt14sqrt1-y^2lesqrt14 forall yin [-1,1]$$



In particular $|T(mathbfx)|=sqrt14$ for $(x,y)=(1,0)$, hence $|T|_mathcalL=sqrt14$.



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  • Ouch, the inequality involving $fracT(mathbfx)$ is true for $xne 0$, not for all $mathbfxne mathbf0$.
    – Ixion
    Sep 1 at 3:21







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    Sounds right to me except probably the inequality for $mathbfxnemathbf0$
    – Mostafa Ayaz
    Sep 3 at 11:26










  • yes, you're right, but... if $x=0$ then $|T(mathbfx)|=|mathbf0|=0$, so the inequality $|T(mathbfx)|lesqrt14|x|$ becomes $|mathbf0|le 0to 0le0$ that is true. Right?
    – Ixion
    Sep 3 at 17:19







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    Why do you need so? You are right on your own....
    – Mostafa Ayaz
    Sep 3 at 18:50






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    Hope it helps. Good luck!
    – Mostafa Ayaz
    Sep 4 at 8:37














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Find $|T|_mathcalL$ where $TinmathcalL(mathbbR^2,mathbbR^3)$ is defined by $$T(mathbfx)=(x,2x, 3x) forall mathbfx=(x,y)inmathbbR^2$$
My approach



  1. $T$ is a linear operator (easy to prove);

  2. $|mathbfx|=sqrtx^2+y^2 forall mathbfxinmathbbR^2$

  3. $|T(mathbfx)|=sqrtx^2+4x^2+9x^2=sqrt14|x|$

so



$fracmathbfx=fracxsqrtx^2+y^2lefracx=sqrt14 forallmathbfxne mathbf0$



This means that $|T|_mathcalLlesqrt14$. For $mathbfx=(1,0)$ we have that $|T(mathbfx)|=sqrt14$ so $|T|_mathcalL=sqrt14$.



Second approach



Let $mathbfx$ be a unitary vector of $mathbbR^2$, such that
$$|mathbbx|=1implies x^2+y^2=1 to |x|=sqrt1-y^2 forall yin [-1,1]$$



so



$$|T(mathbfx)|=sqrt14|x|=sqrt14sqrt1-y^2lesqrt14 forall yin [-1,1]$$



In particular $|T(mathbfx)|=sqrt14$ for $(x,y)=(1,0)$, hence $|T|_mathcalL=sqrt14$.



Are these solutions ok? Thanks.










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  • Ouch, the inequality involving $fracT(mathbfx)$ is true for $xne 0$, not for all $mathbfxne mathbf0$.
    – Ixion
    Sep 1 at 3:21







  • 1




    Sounds right to me except probably the inequality for $mathbfxnemathbf0$
    – Mostafa Ayaz
    Sep 3 at 11:26










  • yes, you're right, but... if $x=0$ then $|T(mathbfx)|=|mathbf0|=0$, so the inequality $|T(mathbfx)|lesqrt14|x|$ becomes $|mathbf0|le 0to 0le0$ that is true. Right?
    – Ixion
    Sep 3 at 17:19







  • 1




    Why do you need so? You are right on your own....
    – Mostafa Ayaz
    Sep 3 at 18:50






  • 1




    Hope it helps. Good luck!
    – Mostafa Ayaz
    Sep 4 at 8:37












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Find $|T|_mathcalL$ where $TinmathcalL(mathbbR^2,mathbbR^3)$ is defined by $$T(mathbfx)=(x,2x, 3x) forall mathbfx=(x,y)inmathbbR^2$$
My approach



  1. $T$ is a linear operator (easy to prove);

  2. $|mathbfx|=sqrtx^2+y^2 forall mathbfxinmathbbR^2$

  3. $|T(mathbfx)|=sqrtx^2+4x^2+9x^2=sqrt14|x|$

so



$fracmathbfx=fracxsqrtx^2+y^2lefracx=sqrt14 forallmathbfxne mathbf0$



This means that $|T|_mathcalLlesqrt14$. For $mathbfx=(1,0)$ we have that $|T(mathbfx)|=sqrt14$ so $|T|_mathcalL=sqrt14$.



Second approach



Let $mathbfx$ be a unitary vector of $mathbbR^2$, such that
$$|mathbbx|=1implies x^2+y^2=1 to |x|=sqrt1-y^2 forall yin [-1,1]$$



so



$$|T(mathbfx)|=sqrt14|x|=sqrt14sqrt1-y^2lesqrt14 forall yin [-1,1]$$



In particular $|T(mathbfx)|=sqrt14$ for $(x,y)=(1,0)$, hence $|T|_mathcalL=sqrt14$.



Are these solutions ok? Thanks.










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Find $|T|_mathcalL$ where $TinmathcalL(mathbbR^2,mathbbR^3)$ is defined by $$T(mathbfx)=(x,2x, 3x) forall mathbfx=(x,y)inmathbbR^2$$
My approach



  1. $T$ is a linear operator (easy to prove);

  2. $|mathbfx|=sqrtx^2+y^2 forall mathbfxinmathbbR^2$

  3. $|T(mathbfx)|=sqrtx^2+4x^2+9x^2=sqrt14|x|$

so



$fracmathbfx=fracxsqrtx^2+y^2lefracx=sqrt14 forallmathbfxne mathbf0$



This means that $|T|_mathcalLlesqrt14$. For $mathbfx=(1,0)$ we have that $|T(mathbfx)|=sqrt14$ so $|T|_mathcalL=sqrt14$.



Second approach



Let $mathbfx$ be a unitary vector of $mathbbR^2$, such that
$$|mathbbx|=1implies x^2+y^2=1 to |x|=sqrt1-y^2 forall yin [-1,1]$$



so



$$|T(mathbfx)|=sqrt14|x|=sqrt14sqrt1-y^2lesqrt14 forall yin [-1,1]$$



In particular $|T(mathbfx)|=sqrt14$ for $(x,y)=(1,0)$, hence $|T|_mathcalL=sqrt14$.



Are these solutions ok? Thanks.







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  • Ouch, the inequality involving $fracT(mathbfx)$ is true for $xne 0$, not for all $mathbfxne mathbf0$.
    – Ixion
    Sep 1 at 3:21







  • 1




    Sounds right to me except probably the inequality for $mathbfxnemathbf0$
    – Mostafa Ayaz
    Sep 3 at 11:26










  • yes, you're right, but... if $x=0$ then $|T(mathbfx)|=|mathbf0|=0$, so the inequality $|T(mathbfx)|lesqrt14|x|$ becomes $|mathbf0|le 0to 0le0$ that is true. Right?
    – Ixion
    Sep 3 at 17:19







  • 1




    Why do you need so? You are right on your own....
    – Mostafa Ayaz
    Sep 3 at 18:50






  • 1




    Hope it helps. Good luck!
    – Mostafa Ayaz
    Sep 4 at 8:37
















  • Ouch, the inequality involving $fracT(mathbfx)$ is true for $xne 0$, not for all $mathbfxne mathbf0$.
    – Ixion
    Sep 1 at 3:21







  • 1




    Sounds right to me except probably the inequality for $mathbfxnemathbf0$
    – Mostafa Ayaz
    Sep 3 at 11:26










  • yes, you're right, but... if $x=0$ then $|T(mathbfx)|=|mathbf0|=0$, so the inequality $|T(mathbfx)|lesqrt14|x|$ becomes $|mathbf0|le 0to 0le0$ that is true. Right?
    – Ixion
    Sep 3 at 17:19







  • 1




    Why do you need so? You are right on your own....
    – Mostafa Ayaz
    Sep 3 at 18:50






  • 1




    Hope it helps. Good luck!
    – Mostafa Ayaz
    Sep 4 at 8:37















Ouch, the inequality involving $fracT(mathbfx)$ is true for $xne 0$, not for all $mathbfxne mathbf0$.
– Ixion
Sep 1 at 3:21





Ouch, the inequality involving $fracT(mathbfx)$ is true for $xne 0$, not for all $mathbfxne mathbf0$.
– Ixion
Sep 1 at 3:21





1




1




Sounds right to me except probably the inequality for $mathbfxnemathbf0$
– Mostafa Ayaz
Sep 3 at 11:26




Sounds right to me except probably the inequality for $mathbfxnemathbf0$
– Mostafa Ayaz
Sep 3 at 11:26












yes, you're right, but... if $x=0$ then $|T(mathbfx)|=|mathbf0|=0$, so the inequality $|T(mathbfx)|lesqrt14|x|$ becomes $|mathbf0|le 0to 0le0$ that is true. Right?
– Ixion
Sep 3 at 17:19





yes, you're right, but... if $x=0$ then $|T(mathbfx)|=|mathbf0|=0$, so the inequality $|T(mathbfx)|lesqrt14|x|$ becomes $|mathbf0|le 0to 0le0$ that is true. Right?
– Ixion
Sep 3 at 17:19





1




1




Why do you need so? You are right on your own....
– Mostafa Ayaz
Sep 3 at 18:50




Why do you need so? You are right on your own....
– Mostafa Ayaz
Sep 3 at 18:50




1




1




Hope it helps. Good luck!
– Mostafa Ayaz
Sep 4 at 8:37




Hope it helps. Good luck!
– Mostafa Ayaz
Sep 4 at 8:37










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Yes, your solutions are correct (with the caveat $xneq 0$ vs. $textbfxneq 0$ given in the comments).



A more conceptual approach is the following: Your linear operator is given by the matrix $A:=beginpmatrix1&0\2&0\3&0endpmatrix$. The operator norm induced by the euclidean norm is given by the square root of the spectral radius of $A^T A=beginpmatrix14&0\0&0endpmatrix$.






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    Yes, your solutions are correct (with the caveat $xneq 0$ vs. $textbfxneq 0$ given in the comments).



    A more conceptual approach is the following: Your linear operator is given by the matrix $A:=beginpmatrix1&0\2&0\3&0endpmatrix$. The operator norm induced by the euclidean norm is given by the square root of the spectral radius of $A^T A=beginpmatrix14&0\0&0endpmatrix$.






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      Yes, your solutions are correct (with the caveat $xneq 0$ vs. $textbfxneq 0$ given in the comments).



      A more conceptual approach is the following: Your linear operator is given by the matrix $A:=beginpmatrix1&0\2&0\3&0endpmatrix$. The operator norm induced by the euclidean norm is given by the square root of the spectral radius of $A^T A=beginpmatrix14&0\0&0endpmatrix$.






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        Yes, your solutions are correct (with the caveat $xneq 0$ vs. $textbfxneq 0$ given in the comments).



        A more conceptual approach is the following: Your linear operator is given by the matrix $A:=beginpmatrix1&0\2&0\3&0endpmatrix$. The operator norm induced by the euclidean norm is given by the square root of the spectral radius of $A^T A=beginpmatrix14&0\0&0endpmatrix$.






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        Yes, your solutions are correct (with the caveat $xneq 0$ vs. $textbfxneq 0$ given in the comments).



        A more conceptual approach is the following: Your linear operator is given by the matrix $A:=beginpmatrix1&0\2&0\3&0endpmatrix$. The operator norm induced by the euclidean norm is given by the square root of the spectral radius of $A^T A=beginpmatrix14&0\0&0endpmatrix$.







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