Why is $y^2 = 1+x^4$ an elliptic curve?

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I saw in a document that $y^2 = 1+x^4$ is (the affine equation of) an elliptic curve. Why is it the case? Typically, SAGE tells me it is isomorphic to $y^2 = x^3 - 4x$, which is an elliptic curve with Weierstrass equation, but I don't know how to prove this.



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  • Apparently, $y^2=1-x^4$ is also an elliptic curve… Do all equations like $y^2 = $ quartic, give elliptic curves?
    – Alphonse
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  • I found this: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1591990, but we have to be careful about isomorphic/birationally equivalent/isogenous...
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  • What definition are you using for isomorphism of curves?
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I saw in a document that $y^2 = 1+x^4$ is (the affine equation of) an elliptic curve. Why is it the case? Typically, SAGE tells me it is isomorphic to $y^2 = x^3 - 4x$, which is an elliptic curve with Weierstrass equation, but I don't know how to prove this.



Thank you!










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  • Apparently, $y^2=1-x^4$ is also an elliptic curve… Do all equations like $y^2 = $ quartic, give elliptic curves?
    – Alphonse
    Sep 1 at 10:09











  • I found this: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1591990, but we have to be careful about isomorphic/birationally equivalent/isogenous...
    – Alphonse
    Sep 1 at 10:11










  • What definition are you using for isomorphism of curves?
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I saw in a document that $y^2 = 1+x^4$ is (the affine equation of) an elliptic curve. Why is it the case? Typically, SAGE tells me it is isomorphic to $y^2 = x^3 - 4x$, which is an elliptic curve with Weierstrass equation, but I don't know how to prove this.



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I saw in a document that $y^2 = 1+x^4$ is (the affine equation of) an elliptic curve. Why is it the case? Typically, SAGE tells me it is isomorphic to $y^2 = x^3 - 4x$, which is an elliptic curve with Weierstrass equation, but I don't know how to prove this.



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  • Apparently, $y^2=1-x^4$ is also an elliptic curve… Do all equations like $y^2 = $ quartic, give elliptic curves?
    – Alphonse
    Sep 1 at 10:09











  • I found this: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1591990, but we have to be careful about isomorphic/birationally equivalent/isogenous...
    – Alphonse
    Sep 1 at 10:11










  • What definition are you using for isomorphism of curves?
    – Somos
    Sep 1 at 10:55
















  • Apparently, $y^2=1-x^4$ is also an elliptic curve… Do all equations like $y^2 = $ quartic, give elliptic curves?
    – Alphonse
    Sep 1 at 10:09











  • I found this: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1591990, but we have to be careful about isomorphic/birationally equivalent/isogenous...
    – Alphonse
    Sep 1 at 10:11










  • What definition are you using for isomorphism of curves?
    – Somos
    Sep 1 at 10:55















Apparently, $y^2=1-x^4$ is also an elliptic curve… Do all equations like $y^2 = $ quartic, give elliptic curves?
– Alphonse
Sep 1 at 10:09





Apparently, $y^2=1-x^4$ is also an elliptic curve… Do all equations like $y^2 = $ quartic, give elliptic curves?
– Alphonse
Sep 1 at 10:09













I found this: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1591990, but we have to be careful about isomorphic/birationally equivalent/isogenous...
– Alphonse
Sep 1 at 10:11




I found this: math.stackexchange.com/questions/1591990, but we have to be careful about isomorphic/birationally equivalent/isogenous...
– Alphonse
Sep 1 at 10:11












What definition are you using for isomorphism of curves?
– Somos
Sep 1 at 10:55




What definition are you using for isomorphism of curves?
– Somos
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A very concrete answer to your question can be found in Exercise 1.15 on page 31 of Silverman and Tate's Rational Points on Elliptic Curves (2nd Edition).



You ask in a comment to your question:




Do all equations of the form $y^2 = textquartic$ give elliptic curves?




The answer is clearly no, since for example the curve $y^2 = x^4$ has a singularity at the origin. Nevertheless, if you add the assumption that the quartic has no repeated roots then the answer is yes, as has already been mentioned in another answer.



In particular, the content of the exercise mentioned above says that if $g(t) in mathbbC[t]$ is a quartic polynomial, if $alpha in mathbbC$ is a root of $g(t)$, and if $beta neq 0$ is any number, then the equations
beginalign*
x = fracbetat - alpha quad textand quad y = x^2 u = fracbeta^2 u(t - alpha)^2
endalign*



give a birational transformation $phi: mathcalQ dashrightarrow mathcalE$ between the curve $mathcalQ: u^2 = g(t)$ and the curve $mathcalE: y^2 = f(x)$, where
beginalign*
phi: mathcalQ &dashrightarrow mathcalE\
(t, u) &mapsto (x, y) = left(fracbetat - alpha, fracbeta^2 u(t - alpha)^2 right)
endalign*



and $$f(x) = g'(alpha) beta x^3 + dfracg''(alpha)2! beta^2 x^2 + dfracg'''(alpha)3! beta^3 x + dfracg^''''(alpha)4! beta^4$$



is cubic. Moreover, the exercise asks to show that if all the complex roots of $g(t)$ are different, then also the roots of $f(x)$ are distinct, and hence that $mathcalQ: u^2 = g(t)$ is an elliptic curve.





An Example




For instance we can apply this to the curve $u^2 = 1 - t^4$ (the roots of $1 - t^4$ are slightly easier to work with than the roots of $1 + t^4$). In this case $g(t)= 1 - t^4$ has as roots the fourth roots of unity $pm 1, pm i$. If we choose $alpha = 1$ and $beta = -dfrac14$, then the transformation
beginalign*
x = -frac14 frac1t - 1 quad textand quad y = frac116 fracu(t - 1)^2
endalign*



gives a birational transformation with the curve
$$
y^2 = f(x) = x^3 - frac38x^2 + frac116 x - frac1256,
$$



which is already in Weierstrass form. Moreover, if you want you can depress the cubic by making the change $x mapsto X - dfrac13left( -dfrac38 right) = X + dfrac18$ and $y mapsto Y$, which gives you the equation
$$
Y^2 = X^3 + frac164 X.
$$






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    To me, an elliptic curve over a field $k$ is a (projective, non-singular)
    genus one curve defined over $k$ with a specified point $O$, also defined
    over $k$, to serve as an identity in its group. The Weierstrass curve
    $y^2=x^3+ax+b$ is, if non-singular, an (affine model of an)
    elliptic curve with the point at infinity the point $O$.



    In general, a curve $y^2=f(x)$ with $f$ a quartic having no repeated zeros
    is an affine model of a non-singular genus one curve. (It will have two
    points "at infinity"). Is it an elliptic curve? I'd say no, until one chooses
    a $O$ point. To do that over the field $k$, either one needs to pick
    a point $(x_0,y_0)$ on the curve with $x_0$, $y_0in k$ or one must
    pick a point at infinity at zero. But the points at infinity are defined
    over $k$ iff $a$ is a square in $k$ where $f(x)=ax^4+cdots$.



    In your examples, $y^2=x^4+1$ is an elliptic curve, where you can choose
    a point at infinity or $(0,1)$ as $O$. Also $y^2=1-x^4$ is, again choosing
    $O=(0,1)$ but over $Bbb Q$, the points at infinity are not defined
    over $Bbb Q$.



    [I'm assuming $k$ is not of characteristic $2$ throughout.]






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    • Thank you. Can you explain (or give a precise reference) why a curve $y^2=f(x)$ with $f$ a quartic having no repeated zeros, gives has genus one ?
      – Alphonse
      Sep 1 at 11:23






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      Apply the Riemann-Hurwitz formula for the genus to the map $EtoBbb P^1$ defined by $(x,y)mapsto x$. @Alphonse
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    • Shouldn't we get that the genus is $g=3$, from the genus-degree formula, the degree being $d=4$?
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      @Alphonse As I said, it's not a non-singular quartic. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperelliptic_curve
      – Lord Shark the Unknown
      Sep 1 at 11:43






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      $y^2=x^4+1$ is a double cover of $Bbb P^1$ ramified at the primitive eight roots of unity. $y^2=x^3-4x$ is a double cover of $Bbb P^1$ ramified at $0$, $pm 2$ and $infty$. They'll be isomorphic over $Bbb C$ if the cross-ratios of these quartets of points are the same. But, I'd trust SAGE on this one; this is very much the sort of maths it was invented for.
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    A partial answer, at least:
    $$y^2=(1-x^2)(1-k^2 x^2)$$
    is the elliptic curve associated with the Jacobi elliptic function $operatornamesn(cdot,k)$. For $k=i$, you get $y^2=1-x^4$ (see lemniscatic elliptic function). And $1+x^4$ is the same thing as $1-x^4$, up to rotating the complex $x$ plane 45 degrees.






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      A very concrete answer to your question can be found in Exercise 1.15 on page 31 of Silverman and Tate's Rational Points on Elliptic Curves (2nd Edition).



      You ask in a comment to your question:




      Do all equations of the form $y^2 = textquartic$ give elliptic curves?




      The answer is clearly no, since for example the curve $y^2 = x^4$ has a singularity at the origin. Nevertheless, if you add the assumption that the quartic has no repeated roots then the answer is yes, as has already been mentioned in another answer.



      In particular, the content of the exercise mentioned above says that if $g(t) in mathbbC[t]$ is a quartic polynomial, if $alpha in mathbbC$ is a root of $g(t)$, and if $beta neq 0$ is any number, then the equations
      beginalign*
      x = fracbetat - alpha quad textand quad y = x^2 u = fracbeta^2 u(t - alpha)^2
      endalign*



      give a birational transformation $phi: mathcalQ dashrightarrow mathcalE$ between the curve $mathcalQ: u^2 = g(t)$ and the curve $mathcalE: y^2 = f(x)$, where
      beginalign*
      phi: mathcalQ &dashrightarrow mathcalE\
      (t, u) &mapsto (x, y) = left(fracbetat - alpha, fracbeta^2 u(t - alpha)^2 right)
      endalign*



      and $$f(x) = g'(alpha) beta x^3 + dfracg''(alpha)2! beta^2 x^2 + dfracg'''(alpha)3! beta^3 x + dfracg^''''(alpha)4! beta^4$$



      is cubic. Moreover, the exercise asks to show that if all the complex roots of $g(t)$ are different, then also the roots of $f(x)$ are distinct, and hence that $mathcalQ: u^2 = g(t)$ is an elliptic curve.





      An Example




      For instance we can apply this to the curve $u^2 = 1 - t^4$ (the roots of $1 - t^4$ are slightly easier to work with than the roots of $1 + t^4$). In this case $g(t)= 1 - t^4$ has as roots the fourth roots of unity $pm 1, pm i$. If we choose $alpha = 1$ and $beta = -dfrac14$, then the transformation
      beginalign*
      x = -frac14 frac1t - 1 quad textand quad y = frac116 fracu(t - 1)^2
      endalign*



      gives a birational transformation with the curve
      $$
      y^2 = f(x) = x^3 - frac38x^2 + frac116 x - frac1256,
      $$



      which is already in Weierstrass form. Moreover, if you want you can depress the cubic by making the change $x mapsto X - dfrac13left( -dfrac38 right) = X + dfrac18$ and $y mapsto Y$, which gives you the equation
      $$
      Y^2 = X^3 + frac164 X.
      $$






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        A very concrete answer to your question can be found in Exercise 1.15 on page 31 of Silverman and Tate's Rational Points on Elliptic Curves (2nd Edition).



        You ask in a comment to your question:




        Do all equations of the form $y^2 = textquartic$ give elliptic curves?




        The answer is clearly no, since for example the curve $y^2 = x^4$ has a singularity at the origin. Nevertheless, if you add the assumption that the quartic has no repeated roots then the answer is yes, as has already been mentioned in another answer.



        In particular, the content of the exercise mentioned above says that if $g(t) in mathbbC[t]$ is a quartic polynomial, if $alpha in mathbbC$ is a root of $g(t)$, and if $beta neq 0$ is any number, then the equations
        beginalign*
        x = fracbetat - alpha quad textand quad y = x^2 u = fracbeta^2 u(t - alpha)^2
        endalign*



        give a birational transformation $phi: mathcalQ dashrightarrow mathcalE$ between the curve $mathcalQ: u^2 = g(t)$ and the curve $mathcalE: y^2 = f(x)$, where
        beginalign*
        phi: mathcalQ &dashrightarrow mathcalE\
        (t, u) &mapsto (x, y) = left(fracbetat - alpha, fracbeta^2 u(t - alpha)^2 right)
        endalign*



        and $$f(x) = g'(alpha) beta x^3 + dfracg''(alpha)2! beta^2 x^2 + dfracg'''(alpha)3! beta^3 x + dfracg^''''(alpha)4! beta^4$$



        is cubic. Moreover, the exercise asks to show that if all the complex roots of $g(t)$ are different, then also the roots of $f(x)$ are distinct, and hence that $mathcalQ: u^2 = g(t)$ is an elliptic curve.





        An Example




        For instance we can apply this to the curve $u^2 = 1 - t^4$ (the roots of $1 - t^4$ are slightly easier to work with than the roots of $1 + t^4$). In this case $g(t)= 1 - t^4$ has as roots the fourth roots of unity $pm 1, pm i$. If we choose $alpha = 1$ and $beta = -dfrac14$, then the transformation
        beginalign*
        x = -frac14 frac1t - 1 quad textand quad y = frac116 fracu(t - 1)^2
        endalign*



        gives a birational transformation with the curve
        $$
        y^2 = f(x) = x^3 - frac38x^2 + frac116 x - frac1256,
        $$



        which is already in Weierstrass form. Moreover, if you want you can depress the cubic by making the change $x mapsto X - dfrac13left( -dfrac38 right) = X + dfrac18$ and $y mapsto Y$, which gives you the equation
        $$
        Y^2 = X^3 + frac164 X.
        $$






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          A very concrete answer to your question can be found in Exercise 1.15 on page 31 of Silverman and Tate's Rational Points on Elliptic Curves (2nd Edition).



          You ask in a comment to your question:




          Do all equations of the form $y^2 = textquartic$ give elliptic curves?




          The answer is clearly no, since for example the curve $y^2 = x^4$ has a singularity at the origin. Nevertheless, if you add the assumption that the quartic has no repeated roots then the answer is yes, as has already been mentioned in another answer.



          In particular, the content of the exercise mentioned above says that if $g(t) in mathbbC[t]$ is a quartic polynomial, if $alpha in mathbbC$ is a root of $g(t)$, and if $beta neq 0$ is any number, then the equations
          beginalign*
          x = fracbetat - alpha quad textand quad y = x^2 u = fracbeta^2 u(t - alpha)^2
          endalign*



          give a birational transformation $phi: mathcalQ dashrightarrow mathcalE$ between the curve $mathcalQ: u^2 = g(t)$ and the curve $mathcalE: y^2 = f(x)$, where
          beginalign*
          phi: mathcalQ &dashrightarrow mathcalE\
          (t, u) &mapsto (x, y) = left(fracbetat - alpha, fracbeta^2 u(t - alpha)^2 right)
          endalign*



          and $$f(x) = g'(alpha) beta x^3 + dfracg''(alpha)2! beta^2 x^2 + dfracg'''(alpha)3! beta^3 x + dfracg^''''(alpha)4! beta^4$$



          is cubic. Moreover, the exercise asks to show that if all the complex roots of $g(t)$ are different, then also the roots of $f(x)$ are distinct, and hence that $mathcalQ: u^2 = g(t)$ is an elliptic curve.





          An Example




          For instance we can apply this to the curve $u^2 = 1 - t^4$ (the roots of $1 - t^4$ are slightly easier to work with than the roots of $1 + t^4$). In this case $g(t)= 1 - t^4$ has as roots the fourth roots of unity $pm 1, pm i$. If we choose $alpha = 1$ and $beta = -dfrac14$, then the transformation
          beginalign*
          x = -frac14 frac1t - 1 quad textand quad y = frac116 fracu(t - 1)^2
          endalign*



          gives a birational transformation with the curve
          $$
          y^2 = f(x) = x^3 - frac38x^2 + frac116 x - frac1256,
          $$



          which is already in Weierstrass form. Moreover, if you want you can depress the cubic by making the change $x mapsto X - dfrac13left( -dfrac38 right) = X + dfrac18$ and $y mapsto Y$, which gives you the equation
          $$
          Y^2 = X^3 + frac164 X.
          $$






          share|cite|improve this answer












          A very concrete answer to your question can be found in Exercise 1.15 on page 31 of Silverman and Tate's Rational Points on Elliptic Curves (2nd Edition).



          You ask in a comment to your question:




          Do all equations of the form $y^2 = textquartic$ give elliptic curves?




          The answer is clearly no, since for example the curve $y^2 = x^4$ has a singularity at the origin. Nevertheless, if you add the assumption that the quartic has no repeated roots then the answer is yes, as has already been mentioned in another answer.



          In particular, the content of the exercise mentioned above says that if $g(t) in mathbbC[t]$ is a quartic polynomial, if $alpha in mathbbC$ is a root of $g(t)$, and if $beta neq 0$ is any number, then the equations
          beginalign*
          x = fracbetat - alpha quad textand quad y = x^2 u = fracbeta^2 u(t - alpha)^2
          endalign*



          give a birational transformation $phi: mathcalQ dashrightarrow mathcalE$ between the curve $mathcalQ: u^2 = g(t)$ and the curve $mathcalE: y^2 = f(x)$, where
          beginalign*
          phi: mathcalQ &dashrightarrow mathcalE\
          (t, u) &mapsto (x, y) = left(fracbetat - alpha, fracbeta^2 u(t - alpha)^2 right)
          endalign*



          and $$f(x) = g'(alpha) beta x^3 + dfracg''(alpha)2! beta^2 x^2 + dfracg'''(alpha)3! beta^3 x + dfracg^''''(alpha)4! beta^4$$



          is cubic. Moreover, the exercise asks to show that if all the complex roots of $g(t)$ are different, then also the roots of $f(x)$ are distinct, and hence that $mathcalQ: u^2 = g(t)$ is an elliptic curve.





          An Example




          For instance we can apply this to the curve $u^2 = 1 - t^4$ (the roots of $1 - t^4$ are slightly easier to work with than the roots of $1 + t^4$). In this case $g(t)= 1 - t^4$ has as roots the fourth roots of unity $pm 1, pm i$. If we choose $alpha = 1$ and $beta = -dfrac14$, then the transformation
          beginalign*
          x = -frac14 frac1t - 1 quad textand quad y = frac116 fracu(t - 1)^2
          endalign*



          gives a birational transformation with the curve
          $$
          y^2 = f(x) = x^3 - frac38x^2 + frac116 x - frac1256,
          $$



          which is already in Weierstrass form. Moreover, if you want you can depress the cubic by making the change $x mapsto X - dfrac13left( -dfrac38 right) = X + dfrac18$ and $y mapsto Y$, which gives you the equation
          $$
          Y^2 = X^3 + frac164 X.
          $$







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              To me, an elliptic curve over a field $k$ is a (projective, non-singular)
              genus one curve defined over $k$ with a specified point $O$, also defined
              over $k$, to serve as an identity in its group. The Weierstrass curve
              $y^2=x^3+ax+b$ is, if non-singular, an (affine model of an)
              elliptic curve with the point at infinity the point $O$.



              In general, a curve $y^2=f(x)$ with $f$ a quartic having no repeated zeros
              is an affine model of a non-singular genus one curve. (It will have two
              points "at infinity"). Is it an elliptic curve? I'd say no, until one chooses
              a $O$ point. To do that over the field $k$, either one needs to pick
              a point $(x_0,y_0)$ on the curve with $x_0$, $y_0in k$ or one must
              pick a point at infinity at zero. But the points at infinity are defined
              over $k$ iff $a$ is a square in $k$ where $f(x)=ax^4+cdots$.



              In your examples, $y^2=x^4+1$ is an elliptic curve, where you can choose
              a point at infinity or $(0,1)$ as $O$. Also $y^2=1-x^4$ is, again choosing
              $O=(0,1)$ but over $Bbb Q$, the points at infinity are not defined
              over $Bbb Q$.



              [I'm assuming $k$ is not of characteristic $2$ throughout.]






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              • Thank you. Can you explain (or give a precise reference) why a curve $y^2=f(x)$ with $f$ a quartic having no repeated zeros, gives has genus one ?
                – Alphonse
                Sep 1 at 11:23






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                Apply the Riemann-Hurwitz formula for the genus to the map $EtoBbb P^1$ defined by $(x,y)mapsto x$. @Alphonse
                – Lord Shark the Unknown
                Sep 1 at 11:32











              • Shouldn't we get that the genus is $g=3$, from the genus-degree formula, the degree being $d=4$?
                – Alphonse
                Sep 1 at 11:37







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                @Alphonse As I said, it's not a non-singular quartic. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperelliptic_curve
                – Lord Shark the Unknown
                Sep 1 at 11:43






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                $y^2=x^4+1$ is a double cover of $Bbb P^1$ ramified at the primitive eight roots of unity. $y^2=x^3-4x$ is a double cover of $Bbb P^1$ ramified at $0$, $pm 2$ and $infty$. They'll be isomorphic over $Bbb C$ if the cross-ratios of these quartets of points are the same. But, I'd trust SAGE on this one; this is very much the sort of maths it was invented for.
                – Lord Shark the Unknown
                Sep 1 at 16:07














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              To me, an elliptic curve over a field $k$ is a (projective, non-singular)
              genus one curve defined over $k$ with a specified point $O$, also defined
              over $k$, to serve as an identity in its group. The Weierstrass curve
              $y^2=x^3+ax+b$ is, if non-singular, an (affine model of an)
              elliptic curve with the point at infinity the point $O$.



              In general, a curve $y^2=f(x)$ with $f$ a quartic having no repeated zeros
              is an affine model of a non-singular genus one curve. (It will have two
              points "at infinity"). Is it an elliptic curve? I'd say no, until one chooses
              a $O$ point. To do that over the field $k$, either one needs to pick
              a point $(x_0,y_0)$ on the curve with $x_0$, $y_0in k$ or one must
              pick a point at infinity at zero. But the points at infinity are defined
              over $k$ iff $a$ is a square in $k$ where $f(x)=ax^4+cdots$.



              In your examples, $y^2=x^4+1$ is an elliptic curve, where you can choose
              a point at infinity or $(0,1)$ as $O$. Also $y^2=1-x^4$ is, again choosing
              $O=(0,1)$ but over $Bbb Q$, the points at infinity are not defined
              over $Bbb Q$.



              [I'm assuming $k$ is not of characteristic $2$ throughout.]






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              • Thank you. Can you explain (or give a precise reference) why a curve $y^2=f(x)$ with $f$ a quartic having no repeated zeros, gives has genus one ?
                – Alphonse
                Sep 1 at 11:23






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                Apply the Riemann-Hurwitz formula for the genus to the map $EtoBbb P^1$ defined by $(x,y)mapsto x$. @Alphonse
                – Lord Shark the Unknown
                Sep 1 at 11:32











              • Shouldn't we get that the genus is $g=3$, from the genus-degree formula, the degree being $d=4$?
                – Alphonse
                Sep 1 at 11:37







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                @Alphonse As I said, it's not a non-singular quartic. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperelliptic_curve
                – Lord Shark the Unknown
                Sep 1 at 11:43






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                $y^2=x^4+1$ is a double cover of $Bbb P^1$ ramified at the primitive eight roots of unity. $y^2=x^3-4x$ is a double cover of $Bbb P^1$ ramified at $0$, $pm 2$ and $infty$. They'll be isomorphic over $Bbb C$ if the cross-ratios of these quartets of points are the same. But, I'd trust SAGE on this one; this is very much the sort of maths it was invented for.
                – Lord Shark the Unknown
                Sep 1 at 16:07












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              To me, an elliptic curve over a field $k$ is a (projective, non-singular)
              genus one curve defined over $k$ with a specified point $O$, also defined
              over $k$, to serve as an identity in its group. The Weierstrass curve
              $y^2=x^3+ax+b$ is, if non-singular, an (affine model of an)
              elliptic curve with the point at infinity the point $O$.



              In general, a curve $y^2=f(x)$ with $f$ a quartic having no repeated zeros
              is an affine model of a non-singular genus one curve. (It will have two
              points "at infinity"). Is it an elliptic curve? I'd say no, until one chooses
              a $O$ point. To do that over the field $k$, either one needs to pick
              a point $(x_0,y_0)$ on the curve with $x_0$, $y_0in k$ or one must
              pick a point at infinity at zero. But the points at infinity are defined
              over $k$ iff $a$ is a square in $k$ where $f(x)=ax^4+cdots$.



              In your examples, $y^2=x^4+1$ is an elliptic curve, where you can choose
              a point at infinity or $(0,1)$ as $O$. Also $y^2=1-x^4$ is, again choosing
              $O=(0,1)$ but over $Bbb Q$, the points at infinity are not defined
              over $Bbb Q$.



              [I'm assuming $k$ is not of characteristic $2$ throughout.]






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              To me, an elliptic curve over a field $k$ is a (projective, non-singular)
              genus one curve defined over $k$ with a specified point $O$, also defined
              over $k$, to serve as an identity in its group. The Weierstrass curve
              $y^2=x^3+ax+b$ is, if non-singular, an (affine model of an)
              elliptic curve with the point at infinity the point $O$.



              In general, a curve $y^2=f(x)$ with $f$ a quartic having no repeated zeros
              is an affine model of a non-singular genus one curve. (It will have two
              points "at infinity"). Is it an elliptic curve? I'd say no, until one chooses
              a $O$ point. To do that over the field $k$, either one needs to pick
              a point $(x_0,y_0)$ on the curve with $x_0$, $y_0in k$ or one must
              pick a point at infinity at zero. But the points at infinity are defined
              over $k$ iff $a$ is a square in $k$ where $f(x)=ax^4+cdots$.



              In your examples, $y^2=x^4+1$ is an elliptic curve, where you can choose
              a point at infinity or $(0,1)$ as $O$. Also $y^2=1-x^4$ is, again choosing
              $O=(0,1)$ but over $Bbb Q$, the points at infinity are not defined
              over $Bbb Q$.



              [I'm assuming $k$ is not of characteristic $2$ throughout.]







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              • Thank you. Can you explain (or give a precise reference) why a curve $y^2=f(x)$ with $f$ a quartic having no repeated zeros, gives has genus one ?
                – Alphonse
                Sep 1 at 11:23






              • 2




                Apply the Riemann-Hurwitz formula for the genus to the map $EtoBbb P^1$ defined by $(x,y)mapsto x$. @Alphonse
                – Lord Shark the Unknown
                Sep 1 at 11:32











              • Shouldn't we get that the genus is $g=3$, from the genus-degree formula, the degree being $d=4$?
                – Alphonse
                Sep 1 at 11:37







              • 1




                @Alphonse As I said, it's not a non-singular quartic. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperelliptic_curve
                – Lord Shark the Unknown
                Sep 1 at 11:43






              • 1




                $y^2=x^4+1$ is a double cover of $Bbb P^1$ ramified at the primitive eight roots of unity. $y^2=x^3-4x$ is a double cover of $Bbb P^1$ ramified at $0$, $pm 2$ and $infty$. They'll be isomorphic over $Bbb C$ if the cross-ratios of these quartets of points are the same. But, I'd trust SAGE on this one; this is very much the sort of maths it was invented for.
                – Lord Shark the Unknown
                Sep 1 at 16:07
















              • Thank you. Can you explain (or give a precise reference) why a curve $y^2=f(x)$ with $f$ a quartic having no repeated zeros, gives has genus one ?
                – Alphonse
                Sep 1 at 11:23






              • 2




                Apply the Riemann-Hurwitz formula for the genus to the map $EtoBbb P^1$ defined by $(x,y)mapsto x$. @Alphonse
                – Lord Shark the Unknown
                Sep 1 at 11:32











              • Shouldn't we get that the genus is $g=3$, from the genus-degree formula, the degree being $d=4$?
                – Alphonse
                Sep 1 at 11:37







              • 1




                @Alphonse As I said, it's not a non-singular quartic. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperelliptic_curve
                – Lord Shark the Unknown
                Sep 1 at 11:43






              • 1




                $y^2=x^4+1$ is a double cover of $Bbb P^1$ ramified at the primitive eight roots of unity. $y^2=x^3-4x$ is a double cover of $Bbb P^1$ ramified at $0$, $pm 2$ and $infty$. They'll be isomorphic over $Bbb C$ if the cross-ratios of these quartets of points are the same. But, I'd trust SAGE on this one; this is very much the sort of maths it was invented for.
                – Lord Shark the Unknown
                Sep 1 at 16:07















              Thank you. Can you explain (or give a precise reference) why a curve $y^2=f(x)$ with $f$ a quartic having no repeated zeros, gives has genus one ?
              – Alphonse
              Sep 1 at 11:23




              Thank you. Can you explain (or give a precise reference) why a curve $y^2=f(x)$ with $f$ a quartic having no repeated zeros, gives has genus one ?
              – Alphonse
              Sep 1 at 11:23




              2




              2




              Apply the Riemann-Hurwitz formula for the genus to the map $EtoBbb P^1$ defined by $(x,y)mapsto x$. @Alphonse
              – Lord Shark the Unknown
              Sep 1 at 11:32





              Apply the Riemann-Hurwitz formula for the genus to the map $EtoBbb P^1$ defined by $(x,y)mapsto x$. @Alphonse
              – Lord Shark the Unknown
              Sep 1 at 11:32













              Shouldn't we get that the genus is $g=3$, from the genus-degree formula, the degree being $d=4$?
              – Alphonse
              Sep 1 at 11:37





              Shouldn't we get that the genus is $g=3$, from the genus-degree formula, the degree being $d=4$?
              – Alphonse
              Sep 1 at 11:37





              1




              1




              @Alphonse As I said, it's not a non-singular quartic. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperelliptic_curve
              – Lord Shark the Unknown
              Sep 1 at 11:43




              @Alphonse As I said, it's not a non-singular quartic. See en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hyperelliptic_curve
              – Lord Shark the Unknown
              Sep 1 at 11:43




              1




              1




              $y^2=x^4+1$ is a double cover of $Bbb P^1$ ramified at the primitive eight roots of unity. $y^2=x^3-4x$ is a double cover of $Bbb P^1$ ramified at $0$, $pm 2$ and $infty$. They'll be isomorphic over $Bbb C$ if the cross-ratios of these quartets of points are the same. But, I'd trust SAGE on this one; this is very much the sort of maths it was invented for.
              – Lord Shark the Unknown
              Sep 1 at 16:07




              $y^2=x^4+1$ is a double cover of $Bbb P^1$ ramified at the primitive eight roots of unity. $y^2=x^3-4x$ is a double cover of $Bbb P^1$ ramified at $0$, $pm 2$ and $infty$. They'll be isomorphic over $Bbb C$ if the cross-ratios of these quartets of points are the same. But, I'd trust SAGE on this one; this is very much the sort of maths it was invented for.
              – Lord Shark the Unknown
              Sep 1 at 16:07










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              A partial answer, at least:
              $$y^2=(1-x^2)(1-k^2 x^2)$$
              is the elliptic curve associated with the Jacobi elliptic function $operatornamesn(cdot,k)$. For $k=i$, you get $y^2=1-x^4$ (see lemniscatic elliptic function). And $1+x^4$ is the same thing as $1-x^4$, up to rotating the complex $x$ plane 45 degrees.






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                A partial answer, at least:
                $$y^2=(1-x^2)(1-k^2 x^2)$$
                is the elliptic curve associated with the Jacobi elliptic function $operatornamesn(cdot,k)$. For $k=i$, you get $y^2=1-x^4$ (see lemniscatic elliptic function). And $1+x^4$ is the same thing as $1-x^4$, up to rotating the complex $x$ plane 45 degrees.






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                  A partial answer, at least:
                  $$y^2=(1-x^2)(1-k^2 x^2)$$
                  is the elliptic curve associated with the Jacobi elliptic function $operatornamesn(cdot,k)$. For $k=i$, you get $y^2=1-x^4$ (see lemniscatic elliptic function). And $1+x^4$ is the same thing as $1-x^4$, up to rotating the complex $x$ plane 45 degrees.






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                  A partial answer, at least:
                  $$y^2=(1-x^2)(1-k^2 x^2)$$
                  is the elliptic curve associated with the Jacobi elliptic function $operatornamesn(cdot,k)$. For $k=i$, you get $y^2=1-x^4$ (see lemniscatic elliptic function). And $1+x^4$ is the same thing as $1-x^4$, up to rotating the complex $x$ plane 45 degrees.







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