Plane curvature $kappa$ question $fracdthetads$

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I am trying to understand the curvature of a plane curve. The Curvature is given by: $$kappa = fraci+f'(x)j(1+f'(x)^2)^frac12 times fracf''(x)j(1+f'(x)^2)^frac12 div sqrt1+f'(x)^2 =frac(1+f'(x)^2)^frac32 $$



and also by: $$kappa = fracdthetads$$



I can see that $sqrt1+f'(x)^2$ is an arc length $ds$ and equivalent to $|r'(t)|$.



$fraci+f'(x)j(1+f'(x)^2)^frac12$ is equivalent to T, $fracr'$ and $fracf''(x)(1+f'(x)^2)^frac12$ is equivalent to $fracr''(t)$ in 3D.



But where in this equation is $dtheta$ equivalent to?










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  • what are the $i, j$, please?
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  • and how do you get a number in your first equation?
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  • Yeah I forget to put j there. It is a cross product.
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I am trying to understand the curvature of a plane curve. The Curvature is given by: $$kappa = fraci+f'(x)j(1+f'(x)^2)^frac12 times fracf''(x)j(1+f'(x)^2)^frac12 div sqrt1+f'(x)^2 =frac(1+f'(x)^2)^frac32 $$



and also by: $$kappa = fracdthetads$$



I can see that $sqrt1+f'(x)^2$ is an arc length $ds$ and equivalent to $|r'(t)|$.



$fraci+f'(x)j(1+f'(x)^2)^frac12$ is equivalent to T, $fracr'$ and $fracf''(x)(1+f'(x)^2)^frac12$ is equivalent to $fracr''(t)$ in 3D.



But where in this equation is $dtheta$ equivalent to?










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  • what are the $i, j$, please?
    – dmtri
    Sep 1 at 5:30










  • unit vectors i,j,k
    – ê°•ìŠ¹íƒœ
    Sep 1 at 5:56










  • and how do you get a number in your first equation?
    – dmtri
    Sep 1 at 6:20










  • Yeah I forget to put j there. It is a cross product.
    – ê°•ìŠ¹íƒœ
    Sep 1 at 6:24












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I am trying to understand the curvature of a plane curve. The Curvature is given by: $$kappa = fraci+f'(x)j(1+f'(x)^2)^frac12 times fracf''(x)j(1+f'(x)^2)^frac12 div sqrt1+f'(x)^2 =frac(1+f'(x)^2)^frac32 $$



and also by: $$kappa = fracdthetads$$



I can see that $sqrt1+f'(x)^2$ is an arc length $ds$ and equivalent to $|r'(t)|$.



$fraci+f'(x)j(1+f'(x)^2)^frac12$ is equivalent to T, $fracr'$ and $fracf''(x)(1+f'(x)^2)^frac12$ is equivalent to $fracr''(t)$ in 3D.



But where in this equation is $dtheta$ equivalent to?










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I am trying to understand the curvature of a plane curve. The Curvature is given by: $$kappa = fraci+f'(x)j(1+f'(x)^2)^frac12 times fracf''(x)j(1+f'(x)^2)^frac12 div sqrt1+f'(x)^2 =frac(1+f'(x)^2)^frac32 $$



and also by: $$kappa = fracdthetads$$



I can see that $sqrt1+f'(x)^2$ is an arc length $ds$ and equivalent to $|r'(t)|$.



$fraci+f'(x)j(1+f'(x)^2)^frac12$ is equivalent to T, $fracr'$ and $fracf''(x)(1+f'(x)^2)^frac12$ is equivalent to $fracr''(t)$ in 3D.



But where in this equation is $dtheta$ equivalent to?







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  • what are the $i, j$, please?
    – dmtri
    Sep 1 at 5:30










  • unit vectors i,j,k
    – ê°•ìŠ¹íƒœ
    Sep 1 at 5:56










  • and how do you get a number in your first equation?
    – dmtri
    Sep 1 at 6:20










  • Yeah I forget to put j there. It is a cross product.
    – ê°•ìŠ¹íƒœ
    Sep 1 at 6:24
















  • what are the $i, j$, please?
    – dmtri
    Sep 1 at 5:30










  • unit vectors i,j,k
    – ê°•ìŠ¹íƒœ
    Sep 1 at 5:56










  • and how do you get a number in your first equation?
    – dmtri
    Sep 1 at 6:20










  • Yeah I forget to put j there. It is a cross product.
    – ê°•ìŠ¹íƒœ
    Sep 1 at 6:24















what are the $i, j$, please?
– dmtri
Sep 1 at 5:30




what are the $i, j$, please?
– dmtri
Sep 1 at 5:30












unit vectors i,j,k
– ê°•ìŠ¹íƒœ
Sep 1 at 5:56




unit vectors i,j,k
– ê°•ìŠ¹íƒœ
Sep 1 at 5:56












and how do you get a number in your first equation?
– dmtri
Sep 1 at 6:20




and how do you get a number in your first equation?
– dmtri
Sep 1 at 6:20












Yeah I forget to put j there. It is a cross product.
– ê°•ìŠ¹íƒœ
Sep 1 at 6:24




Yeah I forget to put j there. It is a cross product.
– ê°•ìŠ¹íƒœ
Sep 1 at 6:24










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In the plane we have the argument function $rm arg:>dotmathbb R^2tomathbb R/(2pi)$, also known as polar angle. When $x>0$ then $rm arg(x,y)=arctanyover x$. This $rm arg$ function has a well defined gradient
$$nablarm arg(x,y)=left(-yover x^2+y^2, xover x^2+y^2right) .tag1$$



The $theta$ in the above formulas is the argument of the tangent vector $bigl(1,f'(x)bigr)$, resp. $bigl(x'(t),y'(t)bigr)$:
$$theta(t)=rm argbigl(x'(t),y'(t)bigr) .$$ The formula
$$kappa:=dthetaover ds=theta'(t)over s'(t)$$
then is saying that the curvature $kappa$ is the angular velocity (with respect to arc length) with which the tangent vector rotates. I think this is intuitively very satisfying. Using $(1)$ and the chain rule one obtains
$$theta'(t)over s'(t)=1over s'(t)>nablarm argbigl(x'(t),y'(t)bigr)cdot(x''(t),y''(t)bigr)=x'(t)y''(t)-x''(t)y'(t)over s'^3(t) .$$






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    In the plane we have the argument function $rm arg:>dotmathbb R^2tomathbb R/(2pi)$, also known as polar angle. When $x>0$ then $rm arg(x,y)=arctanyover x$. This $rm arg$ function has a well defined gradient
    $$nablarm arg(x,y)=left(-yover x^2+y^2, xover x^2+y^2right) .tag1$$



    The $theta$ in the above formulas is the argument of the tangent vector $bigl(1,f'(x)bigr)$, resp. $bigl(x'(t),y'(t)bigr)$:
    $$theta(t)=rm argbigl(x'(t),y'(t)bigr) .$$ The formula
    $$kappa:=dthetaover ds=theta'(t)over s'(t)$$
    then is saying that the curvature $kappa$ is the angular velocity (with respect to arc length) with which the tangent vector rotates. I think this is intuitively very satisfying. Using $(1)$ and the chain rule one obtains
    $$theta'(t)over s'(t)=1over s'(t)>nablarm argbigl(x'(t),y'(t)bigr)cdot(x''(t),y''(t)bigr)=x'(t)y''(t)-x''(t)y'(t)over s'^3(t) .$$






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      In the plane we have the argument function $rm arg:>dotmathbb R^2tomathbb R/(2pi)$, also known as polar angle. When $x>0$ then $rm arg(x,y)=arctanyover x$. This $rm arg$ function has a well defined gradient
      $$nablarm arg(x,y)=left(-yover x^2+y^2, xover x^2+y^2right) .tag1$$



      The $theta$ in the above formulas is the argument of the tangent vector $bigl(1,f'(x)bigr)$, resp. $bigl(x'(t),y'(t)bigr)$:
      $$theta(t)=rm argbigl(x'(t),y'(t)bigr) .$$ The formula
      $$kappa:=dthetaover ds=theta'(t)over s'(t)$$
      then is saying that the curvature $kappa$ is the angular velocity (with respect to arc length) with which the tangent vector rotates. I think this is intuitively very satisfying. Using $(1)$ and the chain rule one obtains
      $$theta'(t)over s'(t)=1over s'(t)>nablarm argbigl(x'(t),y'(t)bigr)cdot(x''(t),y''(t)bigr)=x'(t)y''(t)-x''(t)y'(t)over s'^3(t) .$$






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        In the plane we have the argument function $rm arg:>dotmathbb R^2tomathbb R/(2pi)$, also known as polar angle. When $x>0$ then $rm arg(x,y)=arctanyover x$. This $rm arg$ function has a well defined gradient
        $$nablarm arg(x,y)=left(-yover x^2+y^2, xover x^2+y^2right) .tag1$$



        The $theta$ in the above formulas is the argument of the tangent vector $bigl(1,f'(x)bigr)$, resp. $bigl(x'(t),y'(t)bigr)$:
        $$theta(t)=rm argbigl(x'(t),y'(t)bigr) .$$ The formula
        $$kappa:=dthetaover ds=theta'(t)over s'(t)$$
        then is saying that the curvature $kappa$ is the angular velocity (with respect to arc length) with which the tangent vector rotates. I think this is intuitively very satisfying. Using $(1)$ and the chain rule one obtains
        $$theta'(t)over s'(t)=1over s'(t)>nablarm argbigl(x'(t),y'(t)bigr)cdot(x''(t),y''(t)bigr)=x'(t)y''(t)-x''(t)y'(t)over s'^3(t) .$$






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        In the plane we have the argument function $rm arg:>dotmathbb R^2tomathbb R/(2pi)$, also known as polar angle. When $x>0$ then $rm arg(x,y)=arctanyover x$. This $rm arg$ function has a well defined gradient
        $$nablarm arg(x,y)=left(-yover x^2+y^2, xover x^2+y^2right) .tag1$$



        The $theta$ in the above formulas is the argument of the tangent vector $bigl(1,f'(x)bigr)$, resp. $bigl(x'(t),y'(t)bigr)$:
        $$theta(t)=rm argbigl(x'(t),y'(t)bigr) .$$ The formula
        $$kappa:=dthetaover ds=theta'(t)over s'(t)$$
        then is saying that the curvature $kappa$ is the angular velocity (with respect to arc length) with which the tangent vector rotates. I think this is intuitively very satisfying. Using $(1)$ and the chain rule one obtains
        $$theta'(t)over s'(t)=1over s'(t)>nablarm argbigl(x'(t),y'(t)bigr)cdot(x''(t),y''(t)bigr)=x'(t)y''(t)-x''(t)y'(t)over s'^3(t) .$$







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