$(1 cdot 2 cdot … cdot m)^w+ (2 cdot 3 cdot … cdot (m+1))^w+…+(n cdot(n+1)+ cdot … cdot (n+m-1))^w=?$

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I started to read some book on elementary number theory and preliminary chapter asks to establish some formulas by mathematical induction:



There is this formula:



$$1+2+...+n= dfrac n(n+1)2$$



And this one:



$$ 1cdot 2 + 2cdot 3 + ... + ncdot (n+1)= dfrac n(n+1)(n+2)3$$



With some pencil-and-paper work I established that this should hold:



$$1cdot 2 cdot ... cdot m + 2cdot 3 cdot ... cdot (m+1) + ... + n cdot (n+1) cdot ... cdot (n+m-1)= dfrac n(n+1)...(n+m-1)(n+m)m+1$$



I did not prove this formula that I established but just checked some cases and it seems to hold.



It can be written in the form of a hockey-stick identity, I think, so it holds.



Now, I know about generalization of first formula that goes like this (Faulhaber´s formula):



$$1^w + 2^w + ... + n^w=dfrac 1w+1 cdot displaystyle sum_j=0^w w+1 choose j B_j n^w+1-j$$



How do the generalization $$(1 cdot 2 cdot ... cdot m)^w+ (2 cdot 3 cdot ... cdot (m+1))^w+...+(n cdot(n+1)+ cdot ... cdot (n+m-1))^w=?$$ look like? That is, what is on the right side?










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  • So to restate, your question is $sum_i=0^n-1(frac (m+i)!i!)^w=?$; correct? Or is it $sum_i=0^n(frac (m+i)!i!)^w=?$? Because your first terms all have $m$ consecutive factors and your final term has $(m+1)$ consecutive factors.
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I started to read some book on elementary number theory and preliminary chapter asks to establish some formulas by mathematical induction:



There is this formula:



$$1+2+...+n= dfrac n(n+1)2$$



And this one:



$$ 1cdot 2 + 2cdot 3 + ... + ncdot (n+1)= dfrac n(n+1)(n+2)3$$



With some pencil-and-paper work I established that this should hold:



$$1cdot 2 cdot ... cdot m + 2cdot 3 cdot ... cdot (m+1) + ... + n cdot (n+1) cdot ... cdot (n+m-1)= dfrac n(n+1)...(n+m-1)(n+m)m+1$$



I did not prove this formula that I established but just checked some cases and it seems to hold.



It can be written in the form of a hockey-stick identity, I think, so it holds.



Now, I know about generalization of first formula that goes like this (Faulhaber´s formula):



$$1^w + 2^w + ... + n^w=dfrac 1w+1 cdot displaystyle sum_j=0^w w+1 choose j B_j n^w+1-j$$



How do the generalization $$(1 cdot 2 cdot ... cdot m)^w+ (2 cdot 3 cdot ... cdot (m+1))^w+...+(n cdot(n+1)+ cdot ... cdot (n+m-1))^w=?$$ look like? That is, what is on the right side?










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  • So to restate, your question is $sum_i=0^n-1(frac (m+i)!i!)^w=?$; correct? Or is it $sum_i=0^n(frac (m+i)!i!)^w=?$? Because your first terms all have $m$ consecutive factors and your final term has $(m+1)$ consecutive factors.
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    Sep 1 at 2:33











  • @KeithBackman Corrected, thanks.
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I started to read some book on elementary number theory and preliminary chapter asks to establish some formulas by mathematical induction:



There is this formula:



$$1+2+...+n= dfrac n(n+1)2$$



And this one:



$$ 1cdot 2 + 2cdot 3 + ... + ncdot (n+1)= dfrac n(n+1)(n+2)3$$



With some pencil-and-paper work I established that this should hold:



$$1cdot 2 cdot ... cdot m + 2cdot 3 cdot ... cdot (m+1) + ... + n cdot (n+1) cdot ... cdot (n+m-1)= dfrac n(n+1)...(n+m-1)(n+m)m+1$$



I did not prove this formula that I established but just checked some cases and it seems to hold.



It can be written in the form of a hockey-stick identity, I think, so it holds.



Now, I know about generalization of first formula that goes like this (Faulhaber´s formula):



$$1^w + 2^w + ... + n^w=dfrac 1w+1 cdot displaystyle sum_j=0^w w+1 choose j B_j n^w+1-j$$



How do the generalization $$(1 cdot 2 cdot ... cdot m)^w+ (2 cdot 3 cdot ... cdot (m+1))^w+...+(n cdot(n+1)+ cdot ... cdot (n+m-1))^w=?$$ look like? That is, what is on the right side?










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I started to read some book on elementary number theory and preliminary chapter asks to establish some formulas by mathematical induction:



There is this formula:



$$1+2+...+n= dfrac n(n+1)2$$



And this one:



$$ 1cdot 2 + 2cdot 3 + ... + ncdot (n+1)= dfrac n(n+1)(n+2)3$$



With some pencil-and-paper work I established that this should hold:



$$1cdot 2 cdot ... cdot m + 2cdot 3 cdot ... cdot (m+1) + ... + n cdot (n+1) cdot ... cdot (n+m-1)= dfrac n(n+1)...(n+m-1)(n+m)m+1$$



I did not prove this formula that I established but just checked some cases and it seems to hold.



It can be written in the form of a hockey-stick identity, I think, so it holds.



Now, I know about generalization of first formula that goes like this (Faulhaber´s formula):



$$1^w + 2^w + ... + n^w=dfrac 1w+1 cdot displaystyle sum_j=0^w w+1 choose j B_j n^w+1-j$$



How do the generalization $$(1 cdot 2 cdot ... cdot m)^w+ (2 cdot 3 cdot ... cdot (m+1))^w+...+(n cdot(n+1)+ cdot ... cdot (n+m-1))^w=?$$ look like? That is, what is on the right side?







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  • So to restate, your question is $sum_i=0^n-1(frac (m+i)!i!)^w=?$; correct? Or is it $sum_i=0^n(frac (m+i)!i!)^w=?$? Because your first terms all have $m$ consecutive factors and your final term has $(m+1)$ consecutive factors.
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  • @KeithBackman Corrected, thanks.
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  • So to restate, your question is $sum_i=0^n-1(frac (m+i)!i!)^w=?$; correct? Or is it $sum_i=0^n(frac (m+i)!i!)^w=?$? Because your first terms all have $m$ consecutive factors and your final term has $(m+1)$ consecutive factors.
    – Keith Backman
    Sep 1 at 2:33











  • @KeithBackman Corrected, thanks.
    – Right
    Sep 1 at 8:44















So to restate, your question is $sum_i=0^n-1(frac (m+i)!i!)^w=?$; correct? Or is it $sum_i=0^n(frac (m+i)!i!)^w=?$? Because your first terms all have $m$ consecutive factors and your final term has $(m+1)$ consecutive factors.
– Keith Backman
Sep 1 at 2:33





So to restate, your question is $sum_i=0^n-1(frac (m+i)!i!)^w=?$; correct? Or is it $sum_i=0^n(frac (m+i)!i!)^w=?$? Because your first terms all have $m$ consecutive factors and your final term has $(m+1)$ consecutive factors.
– Keith Backman
Sep 1 at 2:33













@KeithBackman Corrected, thanks.
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@KeithBackman Corrected, thanks.
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I think there is no simple closed form. Using your notation, if we denote



$$w=a_1$$



$$sumlimits_q=1^m a_q=b_m$$



so



$$sumlimits_k=1^n left(fracm+k-1k-1right)^w=sumlimits_s=1^m-1sumlimits_a_s+1=0^a_sfraca_1!a_m!prodlimits_t=1^m-1frac1(a_t-a_t+1)!left(left[a_1atop a_m-t+1right]right)^a_t-a_t+1sumlimits_k=1^nk^b_m$$



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For your first conjecture:



Write



$1cdot 2 cdot ... cdot m + 2cdot 3 cdot ... cdot (m+1) + ... + n cdot (n+1) cdot ... cdot (n+m-1)= dfrac n(n+1)...(n+m-1)(n+m)m+1
$



in the form
$s(n, m)
=t(n, m)
$
where
$s(n, m)
=sum_k=1^n prod_j=k^k+m-1 j
$
and
$t(n, m)
=dfracprod_j=n^n+mjm+1
$.



I will prove this
by induction on $n$.



For $n=1$
this is
$=prod_j=1^m j
=dfracprod_j=1^1+mjm+1
$
or
$m! = dfrac(m+1)!m+1
$
so that
$s(1, m) = t(1, m)$.



Consider



$beginarray\
s(n+1,m)-s(n,m)
&=sum_k=1^n+1 prod_j=k^k+m-1 j-sum_k=1^n prod_j=k^k+m-1 j\
&=prod_j=n+1^n+m j\
endarray
$



and



$beginarray\
t(n+1, m)-t(n, m)
&=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+1+mjm+1-dfracprod_j=n^n+mjm+1\
&=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+1+mj-prod_j=n^n+mjm+1\
&=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+mjleft((n+1+m)-nright)m+1\
&=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+mjleft(m+1right)m+1\
&=prod_j=n+1^n+mj\
&=s(n+1,m)-s(n,m)\
endarray
$



Since
$s(1, m) = t(1, m)$,
this shows that
$s(n, m) = t(n, m)$.






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    I think there is no simple closed form. Using your notation, if we denote



    $$w=a_1$$



    $$sumlimits_q=1^m a_q=b_m$$



    so



    $$sumlimits_k=1^n left(fracm+k-1k-1right)^w=sumlimits_s=1^m-1sumlimits_a_s+1=0^a_sfraca_1!a_m!prodlimits_t=1^m-1frac1(a_t-a_t+1)!left(left[a_1atop a_m-t+1right]right)^a_t-a_t+1sumlimits_k=1^nk^b_m$$



    which is a little bit ugly.






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    I think there is no simple closed form. Using your notation, if we denote



    $$w=a_1$$



    $$sumlimits_q=1^m a_q=b_m$$



    so



    $$sumlimits_k=1^n left(fracm+k-1k-1right)^w=sumlimits_s=1^m-1sumlimits_a_s+1=0^a_sfraca_1!a_m!prodlimits_t=1^m-1frac1(a_t-a_t+1)!left(left[a_1atop a_m-t+1right]right)^a_t-a_t+1sumlimits_k=1^nk^b_m$$



    which is a little bit ugly.






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    I think there is no simple closed form. Using your notation, if we denote



    $$w=a_1$$



    $$sumlimits_q=1^m a_q=b_m$$



    so



    $$sumlimits_k=1^n left(fracm+k-1k-1right)^w=sumlimits_s=1^m-1sumlimits_a_s+1=0^a_sfraca_1!a_m!prodlimits_t=1^m-1frac1(a_t-a_t+1)!left(left[a_1atop a_m-t+1right]right)^a_t-a_t+1sumlimits_k=1^nk^b_m$$



    which is a little bit ugly.






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    I think there is no simple closed form. Using your notation, if we denote



    $$w=a_1$$



    $$sumlimits_q=1^m a_q=b_m$$



    so



    $$sumlimits_k=1^n left(fracm+k-1k-1right)^w=sumlimits_s=1^m-1sumlimits_a_s+1=0^a_sfraca_1!a_m!prodlimits_t=1^m-1frac1(a_t-a_t+1)!left(left[a_1atop a_m-t+1right]right)^a_t-a_t+1sumlimits_k=1^nk^b_m$$



    which is a little bit ugly.







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    @IsaacBrowne, thank you.
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    For your first conjecture:



    Write



    $1cdot 2 cdot ... cdot m + 2cdot 3 cdot ... cdot (m+1) + ... + n cdot (n+1) cdot ... cdot (n+m-1)= dfrac n(n+1)...(n+m-1)(n+m)m+1
    $



    in the form
    $s(n, m)
    =t(n, m)
    $
    where
    $s(n, m)
    =sum_k=1^n prod_j=k^k+m-1 j
    $
    and
    $t(n, m)
    =dfracprod_j=n^n+mjm+1
    $.



    I will prove this
    by induction on $n$.



    For $n=1$
    this is
    $=prod_j=1^m j
    =dfracprod_j=1^1+mjm+1
    $
    or
    $m! = dfrac(m+1)!m+1
    $
    so that
    $s(1, m) = t(1, m)$.



    Consider



    $beginarray\
    s(n+1,m)-s(n,m)
    &=sum_k=1^n+1 prod_j=k^k+m-1 j-sum_k=1^n prod_j=k^k+m-1 j\
    &=prod_j=n+1^n+m j\
    endarray
    $



    and



    $beginarray\
    t(n+1, m)-t(n, m)
    &=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+1+mjm+1-dfracprod_j=n^n+mjm+1\
    &=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+1+mj-prod_j=n^n+mjm+1\
    &=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+mjleft((n+1+m)-nright)m+1\
    &=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+mjleft(m+1right)m+1\
    &=prod_j=n+1^n+mj\
    &=s(n+1,m)-s(n,m)\
    endarray
    $



    Since
    $s(1, m) = t(1, m)$,
    this shows that
    $s(n, m) = t(n, m)$.






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      For your first conjecture:



      Write



      $1cdot 2 cdot ... cdot m + 2cdot 3 cdot ... cdot (m+1) + ... + n cdot (n+1) cdot ... cdot (n+m-1)= dfrac n(n+1)...(n+m-1)(n+m)m+1
      $



      in the form
      $s(n, m)
      =t(n, m)
      $
      where
      $s(n, m)
      =sum_k=1^n prod_j=k^k+m-1 j
      $
      and
      $t(n, m)
      =dfracprod_j=n^n+mjm+1
      $.



      I will prove this
      by induction on $n$.



      For $n=1$
      this is
      $=prod_j=1^m j
      =dfracprod_j=1^1+mjm+1
      $
      or
      $m! = dfrac(m+1)!m+1
      $
      so that
      $s(1, m) = t(1, m)$.



      Consider



      $beginarray\
      s(n+1,m)-s(n,m)
      &=sum_k=1^n+1 prod_j=k^k+m-1 j-sum_k=1^n prod_j=k^k+m-1 j\
      &=prod_j=n+1^n+m j\
      endarray
      $



      and



      $beginarray\
      t(n+1, m)-t(n, m)
      &=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+1+mjm+1-dfracprod_j=n^n+mjm+1\
      &=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+1+mj-prod_j=n^n+mjm+1\
      &=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+mjleft((n+1+m)-nright)m+1\
      &=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+mjleft(m+1right)m+1\
      &=prod_j=n+1^n+mj\
      &=s(n+1,m)-s(n,m)\
      endarray
      $



      Since
      $s(1, m) = t(1, m)$,
      this shows that
      $s(n, m) = t(n, m)$.






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        For your first conjecture:



        Write



        $1cdot 2 cdot ... cdot m + 2cdot 3 cdot ... cdot (m+1) + ... + n cdot (n+1) cdot ... cdot (n+m-1)= dfrac n(n+1)...(n+m-1)(n+m)m+1
        $



        in the form
        $s(n, m)
        =t(n, m)
        $
        where
        $s(n, m)
        =sum_k=1^n prod_j=k^k+m-1 j
        $
        and
        $t(n, m)
        =dfracprod_j=n^n+mjm+1
        $.



        I will prove this
        by induction on $n$.



        For $n=1$
        this is
        $=prod_j=1^m j
        =dfracprod_j=1^1+mjm+1
        $
        or
        $m! = dfrac(m+1)!m+1
        $
        so that
        $s(1, m) = t(1, m)$.



        Consider



        $beginarray\
        s(n+1,m)-s(n,m)
        &=sum_k=1^n+1 prod_j=k^k+m-1 j-sum_k=1^n prod_j=k^k+m-1 j\
        &=prod_j=n+1^n+m j\
        endarray
        $



        and



        $beginarray\
        t(n+1, m)-t(n, m)
        &=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+1+mjm+1-dfracprod_j=n^n+mjm+1\
        &=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+1+mj-prod_j=n^n+mjm+1\
        &=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+mjleft((n+1+m)-nright)m+1\
        &=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+mjleft(m+1right)m+1\
        &=prod_j=n+1^n+mj\
        &=s(n+1,m)-s(n,m)\
        endarray
        $



        Since
        $s(1, m) = t(1, m)$,
        this shows that
        $s(n, m) = t(n, m)$.






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        For your first conjecture:



        Write



        $1cdot 2 cdot ... cdot m + 2cdot 3 cdot ... cdot (m+1) + ... + n cdot (n+1) cdot ... cdot (n+m-1)= dfrac n(n+1)...(n+m-1)(n+m)m+1
        $



        in the form
        $s(n, m)
        =t(n, m)
        $
        where
        $s(n, m)
        =sum_k=1^n prod_j=k^k+m-1 j
        $
        and
        $t(n, m)
        =dfracprod_j=n^n+mjm+1
        $.



        I will prove this
        by induction on $n$.



        For $n=1$
        this is
        $=prod_j=1^m j
        =dfracprod_j=1^1+mjm+1
        $
        or
        $m! = dfrac(m+1)!m+1
        $
        so that
        $s(1, m) = t(1, m)$.



        Consider



        $beginarray\
        s(n+1,m)-s(n,m)
        &=sum_k=1^n+1 prod_j=k^k+m-1 j-sum_k=1^n prod_j=k^k+m-1 j\
        &=prod_j=n+1^n+m j\
        endarray
        $



        and



        $beginarray\
        t(n+1, m)-t(n, m)
        &=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+1+mjm+1-dfracprod_j=n^n+mjm+1\
        &=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+1+mj-prod_j=n^n+mjm+1\
        &=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+mjleft((n+1+m)-nright)m+1\
        &=dfracprod_j=n+1^n+mjleft(m+1right)m+1\
        &=prod_j=n+1^n+mj\
        &=s(n+1,m)-s(n,m)\
        endarray
        $



        Since
        $s(1, m) = t(1, m)$,
        this shows that
        $s(n, m) = t(n, m)$.







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