let $a_n+1 = log (1+a_n) $ for $n ge 1$ . Check whether $sum_n=1^infty a_n$ converge or diverge?

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let $a_1$ be an arbitrary postive number and let $a_n+1 = log (1+a_n) $ for $n ge 1$. Check whether $sum_n=1^infty a_n$ converges or diverges?



My attempt: I know that $log(1+x) = x - fracx^22 + frac x^33 cdots$



Now here how can I conlcude that $sum_n=1^infty a_n$ converges or diverges?



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    let $a_1$ be an arbitrary postive number and let $a_n+1 = log (1+a_n) $ for $n ge 1$. Check whether $sum_n=1^infty a_n$ converges or diverges?



    My attempt: I know that $log(1+x) = x - fracx^22 + frac x^33 cdots$



    Now here how can I conlcude that $sum_n=1^infty a_n$ converges or diverges?



    Any hints/solution will be appreciated.







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      let $a_1$ be an arbitrary postive number and let $a_n+1 = log (1+a_n) $ for $n ge 1$. Check whether $sum_n=1^infty a_n$ converges or diverges?



      My attempt: I know that $log(1+x) = x - fracx^22 + frac x^33 cdots$



      Now here how can I conlcude that $sum_n=1^infty a_n$ converges or diverges?



      Any hints/solution will be appreciated.







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      let $a_1$ be an arbitrary postive number and let $a_n+1 = log (1+a_n) $ for $n ge 1$. Check whether $sum_n=1^infty a_n$ converges or diverges?



      My attempt: I know that $log(1+x) = x - fracx^22 + frac x^33 cdots$



      Now here how can I conlcude that $sum_n=1^infty a_n$ converges or diverges?



      Any hints/solution will be appreciated.









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          Look for hints within math.SE! Argue that $$lim_ntoinfty ncdot a_n=2$$ by referring to $a_n+1=log(1+a_n),~a_1>0$. Then find $lim_n rightarrow infty n cdot a_n$.
          Therefore the series $sum a_n$ diverges by comparison to the harmonic series.






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            At least one quickly sees that $a_n$ is strictly decreasing towards $0$, which is a necessary condition for convergence of the series.



            However, the convergence of the $a_n$ is not fast enough:
            If $frac12N<a_n<frac1N$, then $a_n+1>a_ncdotleft(1-fraca_n2right)>a_ncdotleft(1-frac12Nright)$. By induction, $a_n+k>a_ncdotleft(1-frac12Nright)^k$, and by Bernoulli's inequality, $a_n+k>a_ncdotleft(1-frac k2Nright)$ . In particular, $a_n+k>frac12 a_n$ for $k<N$, hence the contribution of $N$ terms starting at $a_n$ is at least $Nfrac12a_n>frac14$.



            We conclude that $sum a_n$ diverges.






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              Find $beta$ such that $a_n+1^beta - a_n^beta$ converges. Based on that you can find an equivalent to $a_n$ and determine if $sum a_n$ converges or not.






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                Look for hints within math.SE! Argue that $$lim_ntoinfty ncdot a_n=2$$ by referring to $a_n+1=log(1+a_n),~a_1>0$. Then find $lim_n rightarrow infty n cdot a_n$.
                Therefore the series $sum a_n$ diverges by comparison to the harmonic series.






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                  Look for hints within math.SE! Argue that $$lim_ntoinfty ncdot a_n=2$$ by referring to $a_n+1=log(1+a_n),~a_1>0$. Then find $lim_n rightarrow infty n cdot a_n$.
                  Therefore the series $sum a_n$ diverges by comparison to the harmonic series.






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                    Look for hints within math.SE! Argue that $$lim_ntoinfty ncdot a_n=2$$ by referring to $a_n+1=log(1+a_n),~a_1>0$. Then find $lim_n rightarrow infty n cdot a_n$.
                    Therefore the series $sum a_n$ diverges by comparison to the harmonic series.






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                    Look for hints within math.SE! Argue that $$lim_ntoinfty ncdot a_n=2$$ by referring to $a_n+1=log(1+a_n),~a_1>0$. Then find $lim_n rightarrow infty n cdot a_n$.
                    Therefore the series $sum a_n$ diverges by comparison to the harmonic series.







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                        At least one quickly sees that $a_n$ is strictly decreasing towards $0$, which is a necessary condition for convergence of the series.



                        However, the convergence of the $a_n$ is not fast enough:
                        If $frac12N<a_n<frac1N$, then $a_n+1>a_ncdotleft(1-fraca_n2right)>a_ncdotleft(1-frac12Nright)$. By induction, $a_n+k>a_ncdotleft(1-frac12Nright)^k$, and by Bernoulli's inequality, $a_n+k>a_ncdotleft(1-frac k2Nright)$ . In particular, $a_n+k>frac12 a_n$ for $k<N$, hence the contribution of $N$ terms starting at $a_n$ is at least $Nfrac12a_n>frac14$.



                        We conclude that $sum a_n$ diverges.






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                          At least one quickly sees that $a_n$ is strictly decreasing towards $0$, which is a necessary condition for convergence of the series.



                          However, the convergence of the $a_n$ is not fast enough:
                          If $frac12N<a_n<frac1N$, then $a_n+1>a_ncdotleft(1-fraca_n2right)>a_ncdotleft(1-frac12Nright)$. By induction, $a_n+k>a_ncdotleft(1-frac12Nright)^k$, and by Bernoulli's inequality, $a_n+k>a_ncdotleft(1-frac k2Nright)$ . In particular, $a_n+k>frac12 a_n$ for $k<N$, hence the contribution of $N$ terms starting at $a_n$ is at least $Nfrac12a_n>frac14$.



                          We conclude that $sum a_n$ diverges.






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                            At least one quickly sees that $a_n$ is strictly decreasing towards $0$, which is a necessary condition for convergence of the series.



                            However, the convergence of the $a_n$ is not fast enough:
                            If $frac12N<a_n<frac1N$, then $a_n+1>a_ncdotleft(1-fraca_n2right)>a_ncdotleft(1-frac12Nright)$. By induction, $a_n+k>a_ncdotleft(1-frac12Nright)^k$, and by Bernoulli's inequality, $a_n+k>a_ncdotleft(1-frac k2Nright)$ . In particular, $a_n+k>frac12 a_n$ for $k<N$, hence the contribution of $N$ terms starting at $a_n$ is at least $Nfrac12a_n>frac14$.



                            We conclude that $sum a_n$ diverges.






                            share|cite|improve this answer














                            At least one quickly sees that $a_n$ is strictly decreasing towards $0$, which is a necessary condition for convergence of the series.



                            However, the convergence of the $a_n$ is not fast enough:
                            If $frac12N<a_n<frac1N$, then $a_n+1>a_ncdotleft(1-fraca_n2right)>a_ncdotleft(1-frac12Nright)$. By induction, $a_n+k>a_ncdotleft(1-frac12Nright)^k$, and by Bernoulli's inequality, $a_n+k>a_ncdotleft(1-frac k2Nright)$ . In particular, $a_n+k>frac12 a_n$ for $k<N$, hence the contribution of $N$ terms starting at $a_n$ is at least $Nfrac12a_n>frac14$.



                            We conclude that $sum a_n$ diverges.







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                                Just a hint



                                Find $beta$ such that $a_n+1^beta - a_n^beta$ converges. Based on that you can find an equivalent to $a_n$ and determine if $sum a_n$ converges or not.






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                                  up vote
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                                  Just a hint



                                  Find $beta$ such that $a_n+1^beta - a_n^beta$ converges. Based on that you can find an equivalent to $a_n$ and determine if $sum a_n$ converges or not.






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                                    up vote
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                                    Just a hint



                                    Find $beta$ such that $a_n+1^beta - a_n^beta$ converges. Based on that you can find an equivalent to $a_n$ and determine if $sum a_n$ converges or not.






                                    share|cite|improve this answer












                                    Just a hint



                                    Find $beta$ such that $a_n+1^beta - a_n^beta$ converges. Based on that you can find an equivalent to $a_n$ and determine if $sum a_n$ converges or not.







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