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Q: Determine if the following sets are subspaces of $mathbbR^4$ and if they are affine spaces. (Suppose regular operations on the elements of the sets such as addition and skalar multiplication in $mathbbR^4$.)
beginequation
beginsplit
M_1 & = xin mathbbR^4: x_1x_3=0 \
M_2 & = xin mathbbR^4: x_1^2+x_2^2=1
endsplit
endequation



I struggle to determine if $M_1$ and $M_2$ are affine spaces.



a) Let $x,yin M_1$ $alpha,betainmathbbR$. If $M_1$ is a subspace of $mathbbR^4$ then $alpha x+beta y$ should satisfy the equation that define $M_1$.
beginequation
(alpha x_1+beta y_1)(alpha x_3+beta y_3)=alpha^2x_1x_3+alpha beta(x_1y_3+x_3y_1) + beta^2y_1y_3= alpha beta(x_1y_3+x_3y_1)
endequation
But $alpha x+beta y notin M_1$ if for example $alpha,beta neq 0$ and $x_1y_3 neq 0$ or $x_3y_1 neq 0$, therefore $M_1$ is not a subspace of $mathbbR^4$.



$M_1$ is affine if $M_1=u+V$ for a fix vector $uinmathbbR^4$ and a subspace $VsubsetmathbbR^4$



b) For instance $(-1,0,0,0)+(1,0,0,0)=(0,0,0,0) notin M_2$ proves that $M_2$ is not closed under addition and is not a subspace of $mathbbR^4$







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    Q: Determine if the following sets are subspaces of $mathbbR^4$ and if they are affine spaces. (Suppose regular operations on the elements of the sets such as addition and skalar multiplication in $mathbbR^4$.)
    beginequation
    beginsplit
    M_1 & = xin mathbbR^4: x_1x_3=0 \
    M_2 & = xin mathbbR^4: x_1^2+x_2^2=1
    endsplit
    endequation



    I struggle to determine if $M_1$ and $M_2$ are affine spaces.



    a) Let $x,yin M_1$ $alpha,betainmathbbR$. If $M_1$ is a subspace of $mathbbR^4$ then $alpha x+beta y$ should satisfy the equation that define $M_1$.
    beginequation
    (alpha x_1+beta y_1)(alpha x_3+beta y_3)=alpha^2x_1x_3+alpha beta(x_1y_3+x_3y_1) + beta^2y_1y_3= alpha beta(x_1y_3+x_3y_1)
    endequation
    But $alpha x+beta y notin M_1$ if for example $alpha,beta neq 0$ and $x_1y_3 neq 0$ or $x_3y_1 neq 0$, therefore $M_1$ is not a subspace of $mathbbR^4$.



    $M_1$ is affine if $M_1=u+V$ for a fix vector $uinmathbbR^4$ and a subspace $VsubsetmathbbR^4$



    b) For instance $(-1,0,0,0)+(1,0,0,0)=(0,0,0,0) notin M_2$ proves that $M_2$ is not closed under addition and is not a subspace of $mathbbR^4$







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      Q: Determine if the following sets are subspaces of $mathbbR^4$ and if they are affine spaces. (Suppose regular operations on the elements of the sets such as addition and skalar multiplication in $mathbbR^4$.)
      beginequation
      beginsplit
      M_1 & = xin mathbbR^4: x_1x_3=0 \
      M_2 & = xin mathbbR^4: x_1^2+x_2^2=1
      endsplit
      endequation



      I struggle to determine if $M_1$ and $M_2$ are affine spaces.



      a) Let $x,yin M_1$ $alpha,betainmathbbR$. If $M_1$ is a subspace of $mathbbR^4$ then $alpha x+beta y$ should satisfy the equation that define $M_1$.
      beginequation
      (alpha x_1+beta y_1)(alpha x_3+beta y_3)=alpha^2x_1x_3+alpha beta(x_1y_3+x_3y_1) + beta^2y_1y_3= alpha beta(x_1y_3+x_3y_1)
      endequation
      But $alpha x+beta y notin M_1$ if for example $alpha,beta neq 0$ and $x_1y_3 neq 0$ or $x_3y_1 neq 0$, therefore $M_1$ is not a subspace of $mathbbR^4$.



      $M_1$ is affine if $M_1=u+V$ for a fix vector $uinmathbbR^4$ and a subspace $VsubsetmathbbR^4$



      b) For instance $(-1,0,0,0)+(1,0,0,0)=(0,0,0,0) notin M_2$ proves that $M_2$ is not closed under addition and is not a subspace of $mathbbR^4$







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      Q: Determine if the following sets are subspaces of $mathbbR^4$ and if they are affine spaces. (Suppose regular operations on the elements of the sets such as addition and skalar multiplication in $mathbbR^4$.)
      beginequation
      beginsplit
      M_1 & = xin mathbbR^4: x_1x_3=0 \
      M_2 & = xin mathbbR^4: x_1^2+x_2^2=1
      endsplit
      endequation



      I struggle to determine if $M_1$ and $M_2$ are affine spaces.



      a) Let $x,yin M_1$ $alpha,betainmathbbR$. If $M_1$ is a subspace of $mathbbR^4$ then $alpha x+beta y$ should satisfy the equation that define $M_1$.
      beginequation
      (alpha x_1+beta y_1)(alpha x_3+beta y_3)=alpha^2x_1x_3+alpha beta(x_1y_3+x_3y_1) + beta^2y_1y_3= alpha beta(x_1y_3+x_3y_1)
      endequation
      But $alpha x+beta y notin M_1$ if for example $alpha,beta neq 0$ and $x_1y_3 neq 0$ or $x_3y_1 neq 0$, therefore $M_1$ is not a subspace of $mathbbR^4$.



      $M_1$ is affine if $M_1=u+V$ for a fix vector $uinmathbbR^4$ and a subspace $VsubsetmathbbR^4$



      b) For instance $(-1,0,0,0)+(1,0,0,0)=(0,0,0,0) notin M_2$ proves that $M_2$ is not closed under addition and is not a subspace of $mathbbR^4$









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          I'm not sure what your definition of affine space is, but I think this condition is correct: a subset $M$ of a vector space $V$ is an affine subspace if for all $x$ and $y$ in $M$, and scalars $alpha$ and $beta$ with $alpha + beta = 1$, we have $alpha x + beta y in M$.



          Geometrically, if you draw $V$ as $mathbbR^n$, $M$ is an affine subspace if the line between any two points of $M$ is contained in $M$.



          Negating this definition, $M$ is not an affine subspace if there exist $x$ and $y$ in $M$, and scalars $alpha$ and $beta$ with $alpha + beta = 1$, such that $alpha x + beta y notin M$.



          It shouldn't be too hard to come up with such counterexamples in these two cases.



          Since regular subspaces are also affine subspaces, showing that $M_1$ and $M_2$ are not affine subspaces is sufficient.






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            For the first one since $vec 0 in M_1$ and it is not a subspace we can conclude also that it is not an affine space.



            For the second one consider



            • $(a_1,a_2,a_3,a_4)in M_2 implies a_1^2+a_2^2=1$

            and



            • $(b_1,b_2,b_3,b_4)=k[(a_1,a_2,a_3,a_4)-vec u]+vec u=(ka_1,ka_2,ka_3,ka_4)+(1-k)vec u$

            then we need to check that the following holds



            $$(ka_1+(1-k)u_1)^2+(ka_2+(1-k)u_2)^2=1$$



            and for $a_1=1$ and $a_2=0$ we have



            $$2k(1-k)u_1+(1-k)^2u_1^2+(1-k)^2u_2^2 =1-k^2$$



            and for $a_1=0$ and $a_2=1$ we have



            $$(1-k)^2u_1^2+2k(1-k)u_2+(1-k)^2u_2^2 =1-k^2$$



            and for $k=-1$



            • $-4u_1+4u_1^2+4u_2^2 =0$

            • $4u_1^2-4u_2+4u_2^2 =0$

            that is



            • $u_1=u_2$

            • $-u_1+2u_1^2=0 implies u_1=0 quad u_1=frac12$

            and for $k=2$



            • $-4u_1+u_1^2+4u_2^2 =-3$

            • $u_1^2-4u_2+u_2^2 =-3$

            that is



            • $u_1=u_2$

            • $5u_1^2-4u_1^2+3=0 implies u_1=frac4pm sqrt-4410$

            which show that such vector $vec u$ doesn't exist.






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              I'm not sure what your definition of affine space is, but I think this condition is correct: a subset $M$ of a vector space $V$ is an affine subspace if for all $x$ and $y$ in $M$, and scalars $alpha$ and $beta$ with $alpha + beta = 1$, we have $alpha x + beta y in M$.



              Geometrically, if you draw $V$ as $mathbbR^n$, $M$ is an affine subspace if the line between any two points of $M$ is contained in $M$.



              Negating this definition, $M$ is not an affine subspace if there exist $x$ and $y$ in $M$, and scalars $alpha$ and $beta$ with $alpha + beta = 1$, such that $alpha x + beta y notin M$.



              It shouldn't be too hard to come up with such counterexamples in these two cases.



              Since regular subspaces are also affine subspaces, showing that $M_1$ and $M_2$ are not affine subspaces is sufficient.






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                I'm not sure what your definition of affine space is, but I think this condition is correct: a subset $M$ of a vector space $V$ is an affine subspace if for all $x$ and $y$ in $M$, and scalars $alpha$ and $beta$ with $alpha + beta = 1$, we have $alpha x + beta y in M$.



                Geometrically, if you draw $V$ as $mathbbR^n$, $M$ is an affine subspace if the line between any two points of $M$ is contained in $M$.



                Negating this definition, $M$ is not an affine subspace if there exist $x$ and $y$ in $M$, and scalars $alpha$ and $beta$ with $alpha + beta = 1$, such that $alpha x + beta y notin M$.



                It shouldn't be too hard to come up with such counterexamples in these two cases.



                Since regular subspaces are also affine subspaces, showing that $M_1$ and $M_2$ are not affine subspaces is sufficient.






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                  I'm not sure what your definition of affine space is, but I think this condition is correct: a subset $M$ of a vector space $V$ is an affine subspace if for all $x$ and $y$ in $M$, and scalars $alpha$ and $beta$ with $alpha + beta = 1$, we have $alpha x + beta y in M$.



                  Geometrically, if you draw $V$ as $mathbbR^n$, $M$ is an affine subspace if the line between any two points of $M$ is contained in $M$.



                  Negating this definition, $M$ is not an affine subspace if there exist $x$ and $y$ in $M$, and scalars $alpha$ and $beta$ with $alpha + beta = 1$, such that $alpha x + beta y notin M$.



                  It shouldn't be too hard to come up with such counterexamples in these two cases.



                  Since regular subspaces are also affine subspaces, showing that $M_1$ and $M_2$ are not affine subspaces is sufficient.






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                  I'm not sure what your definition of affine space is, but I think this condition is correct: a subset $M$ of a vector space $V$ is an affine subspace if for all $x$ and $y$ in $M$, and scalars $alpha$ and $beta$ with $alpha + beta = 1$, we have $alpha x + beta y in M$.



                  Geometrically, if you draw $V$ as $mathbbR^n$, $M$ is an affine subspace if the line between any two points of $M$ is contained in $M$.



                  Negating this definition, $M$ is not an affine subspace if there exist $x$ and $y$ in $M$, and scalars $alpha$ and $beta$ with $alpha + beta = 1$, such that $alpha x + beta y notin M$.



                  It shouldn't be too hard to come up with such counterexamples in these two cases.



                  Since regular subspaces are also affine subspaces, showing that $M_1$ and $M_2$ are not affine subspaces is sufficient.







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                      For the first one since $vec 0 in M_1$ and it is not a subspace we can conclude also that it is not an affine space.



                      For the second one consider



                      • $(a_1,a_2,a_3,a_4)in M_2 implies a_1^2+a_2^2=1$

                      and



                      • $(b_1,b_2,b_3,b_4)=k[(a_1,a_2,a_3,a_4)-vec u]+vec u=(ka_1,ka_2,ka_3,ka_4)+(1-k)vec u$

                      then we need to check that the following holds



                      $$(ka_1+(1-k)u_1)^2+(ka_2+(1-k)u_2)^2=1$$



                      and for $a_1=1$ and $a_2=0$ we have



                      $$2k(1-k)u_1+(1-k)^2u_1^2+(1-k)^2u_2^2 =1-k^2$$



                      and for $a_1=0$ and $a_2=1$ we have



                      $$(1-k)^2u_1^2+2k(1-k)u_2+(1-k)^2u_2^2 =1-k^2$$



                      and for $k=-1$



                      • $-4u_1+4u_1^2+4u_2^2 =0$

                      • $4u_1^2-4u_2+4u_2^2 =0$

                      that is



                      • $u_1=u_2$

                      • $-u_1+2u_1^2=0 implies u_1=0 quad u_1=frac12$

                      and for $k=2$



                      • $-4u_1+u_1^2+4u_2^2 =-3$

                      • $u_1^2-4u_2+u_2^2 =-3$

                      that is



                      • $u_1=u_2$

                      • $5u_1^2-4u_1^2+3=0 implies u_1=frac4pm sqrt-4410$

                      which show that such vector $vec u$ doesn't exist.






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                        For the first one since $vec 0 in M_1$ and it is not a subspace we can conclude also that it is not an affine space.



                        For the second one consider



                        • $(a_1,a_2,a_3,a_4)in M_2 implies a_1^2+a_2^2=1$

                        and



                        • $(b_1,b_2,b_3,b_4)=k[(a_1,a_2,a_3,a_4)-vec u]+vec u=(ka_1,ka_2,ka_3,ka_4)+(1-k)vec u$

                        then we need to check that the following holds



                        $$(ka_1+(1-k)u_1)^2+(ka_2+(1-k)u_2)^2=1$$



                        and for $a_1=1$ and $a_2=0$ we have



                        $$2k(1-k)u_1+(1-k)^2u_1^2+(1-k)^2u_2^2 =1-k^2$$



                        and for $a_1=0$ and $a_2=1$ we have



                        $$(1-k)^2u_1^2+2k(1-k)u_2+(1-k)^2u_2^2 =1-k^2$$



                        and for $k=-1$



                        • $-4u_1+4u_1^2+4u_2^2 =0$

                        • $4u_1^2-4u_2+4u_2^2 =0$

                        that is



                        • $u_1=u_2$

                        • $-u_1+2u_1^2=0 implies u_1=0 quad u_1=frac12$

                        and for $k=2$



                        • $-4u_1+u_1^2+4u_2^2 =-3$

                        • $u_1^2-4u_2+u_2^2 =-3$

                        that is



                        • $u_1=u_2$

                        • $5u_1^2-4u_1^2+3=0 implies u_1=frac4pm sqrt-4410$

                        which show that such vector $vec u$ doesn't exist.






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                          For the first one since $vec 0 in M_1$ and it is not a subspace we can conclude also that it is not an affine space.



                          For the second one consider



                          • $(a_1,a_2,a_3,a_4)in M_2 implies a_1^2+a_2^2=1$

                          and



                          • $(b_1,b_2,b_3,b_4)=k[(a_1,a_2,a_3,a_4)-vec u]+vec u=(ka_1,ka_2,ka_3,ka_4)+(1-k)vec u$

                          then we need to check that the following holds



                          $$(ka_1+(1-k)u_1)^2+(ka_2+(1-k)u_2)^2=1$$



                          and for $a_1=1$ and $a_2=0$ we have



                          $$2k(1-k)u_1+(1-k)^2u_1^2+(1-k)^2u_2^2 =1-k^2$$



                          and for $a_1=0$ and $a_2=1$ we have



                          $$(1-k)^2u_1^2+2k(1-k)u_2+(1-k)^2u_2^2 =1-k^2$$



                          and for $k=-1$



                          • $-4u_1+4u_1^2+4u_2^2 =0$

                          • $4u_1^2-4u_2+4u_2^2 =0$

                          that is



                          • $u_1=u_2$

                          • $-u_1+2u_1^2=0 implies u_1=0 quad u_1=frac12$

                          and for $k=2$



                          • $-4u_1+u_1^2+4u_2^2 =-3$

                          • $u_1^2-4u_2+u_2^2 =-3$

                          that is



                          • $u_1=u_2$

                          • $5u_1^2-4u_1^2+3=0 implies u_1=frac4pm sqrt-4410$

                          which show that such vector $vec u$ doesn't exist.






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                          For the first one since $vec 0 in M_1$ and it is not a subspace we can conclude also that it is not an affine space.



                          For the second one consider



                          • $(a_1,a_2,a_3,a_4)in M_2 implies a_1^2+a_2^2=1$

                          and



                          • $(b_1,b_2,b_3,b_4)=k[(a_1,a_2,a_3,a_4)-vec u]+vec u=(ka_1,ka_2,ka_3,ka_4)+(1-k)vec u$

                          then we need to check that the following holds



                          $$(ka_1+(1-k)u_1)^2+(ka_2+(1-k)u_2)^2=1$$



                          and for $a_1=1$ and $a_2=0$ we have



                          $$2k(1-k)u_1+(1-k)^2u_1^2+(1-k)^2u_2^2 =1-k^2$$



                          and for $a_1=0$ and $a_2=1$ we have



                          $$(1-k)^2u_1^2+2k(1-k)u_2+(1-k)^2u_2^2 =1-k^2$$



                          and for $k=-1$



                          • $-4u_1+4u_1^2+4u_2^2 =0$

                          • $4u_1^2-4u_2+4u_2^2 =0$

                          that is



                          • $u_1=u_2$

                          • $-u_1+2u_1^2=0 implies u_1=0 quad u_1=frac12$

                          and for $k=2$



                          • $-4u_1+u_1^2+4u_2^2 =-3$

                          • $u_1^2-4u_2+u_2^2 =-3$

                          that is



                          • $u_1=u_2$

                          • $5u_1^2-4u_1^2+3=0 implies u_1=frac4pm sqrt-4410$

                          which show that such vector $vec u$ doesn't exist.







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