Is $frac200!(10!)^20 cdot 19!$ an integer or not?
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A friend of mine asked me to prove that $$frac200!(10!)^20$$ is an integer
I used a basic example in which I assumed that there are $200$ objects places in $20$ boxes (which means that effectively there are $10$ objects in one box). One more condition that I adopted was that the boxes are distinguishable but the items within each box are not. Now the number of permutations possible for such an arrangement are :
$$ frac200!underbrace10! cdot 10! cdot 10!cdots 10!_text$20$ times$$
$$Rightarrow frac200!(10!) ^20$$
Since these are just ways of arranging, we can be pretty sure that this number is an integer.
Then he made the problem more complex by adding a $19!$ in the denominator, thus making the problem:
Is $$frac200!(10!)^20 cdot 19!$$ an integer or not?
The $19!$ in the denominator seemed to be pretty odd and hence I couldn't find any intuitive way to determine the thing. Can anybody please help me with the problem?
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A friend of mine asked me to prove that $$frac200!(10!)^20$$ is an integer
I used a basic example in which I assumed that there are $200$ objects places in $20$ boxes (which means that effectively there are $10$ objects in one box). One more condition that I adopted was that the boxes are distinguishable but the items within each box are not. Now the number of permutations possible for such an arrangement are :
$$ frac200!underbrace10! cdot 10! cdot 10!cdots 10!_text$20$ times$$
$$Rightarrow frac200!(10!) ^20$$
Since these are just ways of arranging, we can be pretty sure that this number is an integer.
Then he made the problem more complex by adding a $19!$ in the denominator, thus making the problem:
Is $$frac200!(10!)^20 cdot 19!$$ an integer or not?
The $19!$ in the denominator seemed to be pretty odd and hence I couldn't find any intuitive way to determine the thing. Can anybody please help me with the problem?
combinatorics permutations
There might be some clever way, but this is where I would start counting primes. Are there enough $2$'s in the numerator? $3$'s?
â Arthur
Aug 15 '17 at 7:23
Use the fact that every set of $k $ integers will have one integer divisible by $k $. Show that that means $(m+1)(m+2).... (m+k) $ will be divisible by $k! $. And that means $(1*2....10)(11*... 20)...... (191*....200) $ is divisible by $10!*10!*....10!$.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 7:26
That's an interesting friend you have there.
â uniquesolution
Aug 15 '17 at 7:30
To eliminate 19! Not that all k divide 10*k. Then each 10k+1 to 10k+9 is divisible by 9! And 10k/k = 10 so it is divisible by 10 as well.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 7:34
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An interesting question (at least I think it would be) is what is the largest integer $k$ so that $k!*10^20$ divides $200!$.
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Aug 15 '17 at 16:27
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A friend of mine asked me to prove that $$frac200!(10!)^20$$ is an integer
I used a basic example in which I assumed that there are $200$ objects places in $20$ boxes (which means that effectively there are $10$ objects in one box). One more condition that I adopted was that the boxes are distinguishable but the items within each box are not. Now the number of permutations possible for such an arrangement are :
$$ frac200!underbrace10! cdot 10! cdot 10!cdots 10!_text$20$ times$$
$$Rightarrow frac200!(10!) ^20$$
Since these are just ways of arranging, we can be pretty sure that this number is an integer.
Then he made the problem more complex by adding a $19!$ in the denominator, thus making the problem:
Is $$frac200!(10!)^20 cdot 19!$$ an integer or not?
The $19!$ in the denominator seemed to be pretty odd and hence I couldn't find any intuitive way to determine the thing. Can anybody please help me with the problem?
combinatorics permutations
A friend of mine asked me to prove that $$frac200!(10!)^20$$ is an integer
I used a basic example in which I assumed that there are $200$ objects places in $20$ boxes (which means that effectively there are $10$ objects in one box). One more condition that I adopted was that the boxes are distinguishable but the items within each box are not. Now the number of permutations possible for such an arrangement are :
$$ frac200!underbrace10! cdot 10! cdot 10!cdots 10!_text$20$ times$$
$$Rightarrow frac200!(10!) ^20$$
Since these are just ways of arranging, we can be pretty sure that this number is an integer.
Then he made the problem more complex by adding a $19!$ in the denominator, thus making the problem:
Is $$frac200!(10!)^20 cdot 19!$$ an integer or not?
The $19!$ in the denominator seemed to be pretty odd and hence I couldn't find any intuitive way to determine the thing. Can anybody please help me with the problem?
combinatorics permutations
edited Aug 15 '17 at 14:31
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There might be some clever way, but this is where I would start counting primes. Are there enough $2$'s in the numerator? $3$'s?
â Arthur
Aug 15 '17 at 7:23
Use the fact that every set of $k $ integers will have one integer divisible by $k $. Show that that means $(m+1)(m+2).... (m+k) $ will be divisible by $k! $. And that means $(1*2....10)(11*... 20)...... (191*....200) $ is divisible by $10!*10!*....10!$.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 7:26
That's an interesting friend you have there.
â uniquesolution
Aug 15 '17 at 7:30
To eliminate 19! Not that all k divide 10*k. Then each 10k+1 to 10k+9 is divisible by 9! And 10k/k = 10 so it is divisible by 10 as well.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 7:34
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An interesting question (at least I think it would be) is what is the largest integer $k$ so that $k!*10^20$ divides $200!$.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 16:27
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There might be some clever way, but this is where I would start counting primes. Are there enough $2$'s in the numerator? $3$'s?
â Arthur
Aug 15 '17 at 7:23
Use the fact that every set of $k $ integers will have one integer divisible by $k $. Show that that means $(m+1)(m+2).... (m+k) $ will be divisible by $k! $. And that means $(1*2....10)(11*... 20)...... (191*....200) $ is divisible by $10!*10!*....10!$.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 7:26
That's an interesting friend you have there.
â uniquesolution
Aug 15 '17 at 7:30
To eliminate 19! Not that all k divide 10*k. Then each 10k+1 to 10k+9 is divisible by 9! And 10k/k = 10 so it is divisible by 10 as well.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 7:34
1
An interesting question (at least I think it would be) is what is the largest integer $k$ so that $k!*10^20$ divides $200!$.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 16:27
There might be some clever way, but this is where I would start counting primes. Are there enough $2$'s in the numerator? $3$'s?
â Arthur
Aug 15 '17 at 7:23
There might be some clever way, but this is where I would start counting primes. Are there enough $2$'s in the numerator? $3$'s?
â Arthur
Aug 15 '17 at 7:23
Use the fact that every set of $k $ integers will have one integer divisible by $k $. Show that that means $(m+1)(m+2).... (m+k) $ will be divisible by $k! $. And that means $(1*2....10)(11*... 20)...... (191*....200) $ is divisible by $10!*10!*....10!$.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 7:26
Use the fact that every set of $k $ integers will have one integer divisible by $k $. Show that that means $(m+1)(m+2).... (m+k) $ will be divisible by $k! $. And that means $(1*2....10)(11*... 20)...... (191*....200) $ is divisible by $10!*10!*....10!$.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 7:26
That's an interesting friend you have there.
â uniquesolution
Aug 15 '17 at 7:30
That's an interesting friend you have there.
â uniquesolution
Aug 15 '17 at 7:30
To eliminate 19! Not that all k divide 10*k. Then each 10k+1 to 10k+9 is divisible by 9! And 10k/k = 10 so it is divisible by 10 as well.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 7:34
To eliminate 19! Not that all k divide 10*k. Then each 10k+1 to 10k+9 is divisible by 9! And 10k/k = 10 so it is divisible by 10 as well.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 7:34
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An interesting question (at least I think it would be) is what is the largest integer $k$ so that $k!*10^20$ divides $200!$.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 16:27
An interesting question (at least I think it would be) is what is the largest integer $k$ so that $k!*10^20$ divides $200!$.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 16:27
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You assumed the boxes were distinguishable, leading to $frac200!(10!)^20$, ways to fill the boxes. If you make them indistinguishable, you merge the $20!$ ways of reordering the boxes into one, so that previous answer overcounts each way of filling indistinguishable boxes by a factor of $20!$. Therefore you are left with $frac200!(10!)^20/20!$ ways to fill 20 indistinguishable boxes, which then must be an integer. After multiplying by $20$ it is of course still an integer.
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We know that $dfrac(mn)!n!(m!)^n$ is an integer for $m,n in Bbb N$ $^(*)$ . Let $n = 20$ and $m = 10$, then $dfrac(200)!20!(10!)^20$ is an integer.
Multiply by $20$, $dfrac(200)!19!(10!)^20$ is an integer.
$(*)$ : Prove that $(mn)!$ is divisible by $(n!)cdot(m!)^n$
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Using induction, this answer says that
$$
frac(mn)!(m!)^nn!=prod_k=1^nbinommk-1m-1
$$
Plug in $m=10$ and $n=20$ to get
$$
frac200!10!^20,20!=prod_k=1^20binom10k-19
$$
Multiply by $20$ to get
$$
frac200!10!^20,19!=20,prod_k=1^20binom10k-19
$$
Another Approach
Note that
$$
beginalign
binomknn
&=frac(kn-n+1)(kn-n+2)cdots(kn-1),kn1cdot2cdots(n-1),n\
&=frac(kn-n+1)(kn-n+2)cdots(kn-1),k1cdot2cdots(n-1)\
&=binomkn-1n-1,k
endalign
$$
Therefore, since we can write a multinomial as a product of binomials,
$$
beginalign
frac(mn)!n!^m
&=prod_k=1^mbinomknn\
&=prod_k=1^mbinomkn-1n-1,k\
&=m!,prod_k=1^mbinomkn-1n-1
endalign
$$
and so
$$
frac(mn)!n!^m,m!=prod_k=1^mbinomkn-1n-1
$$
Plug in $m=20$ and $n=10$ and multiply by $20$ to get
$$
frac200!10!^20,19!=20,prod_k=1^20binom10k-19
$$
But this is my answer ...
â user8277998
Aug 16 '17 at 8:49
@123: I see... I cited an answer that I wrote and didn't see that you had parenthetically cited the question to which that was an answer. However, without the connection given by the citations, the answers do not look the same. If this bothers you, I will delete my answer.
â robjohnâ¦
Aug 16 '17 at 13:01
@123: I have added another proof of the same identity to differentiate our answers. I will still delete this answer if you think they are too close.
â robjohnâ¦
Aug 16 '17 at 13:28
No, I have no problem with your answer, you can keep it as it is.
â user8277998
Aug 16 '17 at 14:36
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A long version:
$$frac200!10!^20 cdot 19!=frac30cdot31cdot .. cdot20010!^19cdot frac29!10!cdot(29-10)!=...$$
which is
$$...=frac30cdot31cdot .. cdot20010!^19cdot binom2910=\
fraccolorred30 ..colorred40 ..colorred50 ..colorred60..colorred70..colorred80..colorred90..colorred10^2..colorred110..colorred120..colorred130..colorred140..colorred150..colorred160..colorred170..colorred180..colorred190..colorred2cdot10^210!^19cdot binom2910=...$$
$20$ numbers divisible by 10, or
$$3cdot4cdot5cdot..cdot9cdot11cdot..cdot19cdot20cdotfrac31..39cdot41..49cdot51..59cdot..cdot191..1999!^19cdot binom2910=\
10cdotfrac2..9cdot11..19cdot31..39cdot41..49cdot51..59cdot..cdot191..1999!^19cdot binom2910=...$$
cardinality of $31,41,51,61,71,81,91,101,111,121,131,141,151,161,171,181,191$ is 17
$$...=10cdot frac1..99!cdotfrac11..199!cdotfrac31..399!cdot..cdotfrac191..1999!cdot binom2910=\
10cdot binom99 cdot binom199 cdot binom399cdot .. cdot binom1999 cdot binom2910$$
I would appreciate the down-voters to at least comment ...
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Aug 15 '17 at 8:29
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Consider $V=(10k+1)*....*(10k+9) $.
By your reasoning, $10k+9 choose 9=(10k+1)*....*(10k+9)/9! $ is an integer.
And $10(k+1)/10(k+1)$ is an integer.
So $(10k+1)*....*(10 (k+1)) $ is divisible by $9!*10*(k+1)=10!*(k+1)$.
So $200! $ is divisible by $10!*1*10!*2*10!*3*.....*10!*19=(10!)^20*19! $
Don't you mean it is divisible by $10!*(k+1)$ ?
â Jaap Scherphuis
Aug 15 '17 at 7:55
Yeah, I guess I did.
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Aug 15 '17 at 16:22
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I computed the answer just for fun using Java, and it's indeed an integer!
41355508127520659545494261323391337886154686759988983912363570790033502473625361601944917427369977161391866491251801111884812210789772970682172860398969828337097889527312353089859289462934116034461288917394623420753412096000000
import java.math.BigDecimal;
import java.math.RoundingMode;
public class JustForFun
public static void main(String args)
BigDecimal thFact = new BigDecimal("1");
BigDecimal tenFact = null, ntFact = null, tenFactPow20 = null;
/* Computes 200! and stores it in a */
for (int i = 1; i <= 200; i++)
thFact = thFact.multiply(new BigDecimal(i + ""));
/* stores 10! in b */
if (i == 10)
tenFact = thFact;
/* stores 19! in c */
if (i == 19)
ntFact = thFact;
tenFactPow20 = tenFact.pow(20);
tenFactPow20 = tenFactPow20.multiply(ntFact);
thFact = thFact.divide(tenFactPow20);
System.out.println(thFact);
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You assumed the boxes were distinguishable, leading to $frac200!(10!)^20$, ways to fill the boxes. If you make them indistinguishable, you merge the $20!$ ways of reordering the boxes into one, so that previous answer overcounts each way of filling indistinguishable boxes by a factor of $20!$. Therefore you are left with $frac200!(10!)^20/20!$ ways to fill 20 indistinguishable boxes, which then must be an integer. After multiplying by $20$ it is of course still an integer.
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You assumed the boxes were distinguishable, leading to $frac200!(10!)^20$, ways to fill the boxes. If you make them indistinguishable, you merge the $20!$ ways of reordering the boxes into one, so that previous answer overcounts each way of filling indistinguishable boxes by a factor of $20!$. Therefore you are left with $frac200!(10!)^20/20!$ ways to fill 20 indistinguishable boxes, which then must be an integer. After multiplying by $20$ it is of course still an integer.
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You assumed the boxes were distinguishable, leading to $frac200!(10!)^20$, ways to fill the boxes. If you make them indistinguishable, you merge the $20!$ ways of reordering the boxes into one, so that previous answer overcounts each way of filling indistinguishable boxes by a factor of $20!$. Therefore you are left with $frac200!(10!)^20/20!$ ways to fill 20 indistinguishable boxes, which then must be an integer. After multiplying by $20$ it is of course still an integer.
You assumed the boxes were distinguishable, leading to $frac200!(10!)^20$, ways to fill the boxes. If you make them indistinguishable, you merge the $20!$ ways of reordering the boxes into one, so that previous answer overcounts each way of filling indistinguishable boxes by a factor of $20!$. Therefore you are left with $frac200!(10!)^20/20!$ ways to fill 20 indistinguishable boxes, which then must be an integer. After multiplying by $20$ it is of course still an integer.
edited Aug 15 '17 at 8:43
answered Aug 15 '17 at 8:13
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We know that $dfrac(mn)!n!(m!)^n$ is an integer for $m,n in Bbb N$ $^(*)$ . Let $n = 20$ and $m = 10$, then $dfrac(200)!20!(10!)^20$ is an integer.
Multiply by $20$, $dfrac(200)!19!(10!)^20$ is an integer.
$(*)$ : Prove that $(mn)!$ is divisible by $(n!)cdot(m!)^n$
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We know that $dfrac(mn)!n!(m!)^n$ is an integer for $m,n in Bbb N$ $^(*)$ . Let $n = 20$ and $m = 10$, then $dfrac(200)!20!(10!)^20$ is an integer.
Multiply by $20$, $dfrac(200)!19!(10!)^20$ is an integer.
$(*)$ : Prove that $(mn)!$ is divisible by $(n!)cdot(m!)^n$
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We know that $dfrac(mn)!n!(m!)^n$ is an integer for $m,n in Bbb N$ $^(*)$ . Let $n = 20$ and $m = 10$, then $dfrac(200)!20!(10!)^20$ is an integer.
Multiply by $20$, $dfrac(200)!19!(10!)^20$ is an integer.
$(*)$ : Prove that $(mn)!$ is divisible by $(n!)cdot(m!)^n$
We know that $dfrac(mn)!n!(m!)^n$ is an integer for $m,n in Bbb N$ $^(*)$ . Let $n = 20$ and $m = 10$, then $dfrac(200)!20!(10!)^20$ is an integer.
Multiply by $20$, $dfrac(200)!19!(10!)^20$ is an integer.
$(*)$ : Prove that $(mn)!$ is divisible by $(n!)cdot(m!)^n$
answered Aug 15 '17 at 8:17
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Using induction, this answer says that
$$
frac(mn)!(m!)^nn!=prod_k=1^nbinommk-1m-1
$$
Plug in $m=10$ and $n=20$ to get
$$
frac200!10!^20,20!=prod_k=1^20binom10k-19
$$
Multiply by $20$ to get
$$
frac200!10!^20,19!=20,prod_k=1^20binom10k-19
$$
Another Approach
Note that
$$
beginalign
binomknn
&=frac(kn-n+1)(kn-n+2)cdots(kn-1),kn1cdot2cdots(n-1),n\
&=frac(kn-n+1)(kn-n+2)cdots(kn-1),k1cdot2cdots(n-1)\
&=binomkn-1n-1,k
endalign
$$
Therefore, since we can write a multinomial as a product of binomials,
$$
beginalign
frac(mn)!n!^m
&=prod_k=1^mbinomknn\
&=prod_k=1^mbinomkn-1n-1,k\
&=m!,prod_k=1^mbinomkn-1n-1
endalign
$$
and so
$$
frac(mn)!n!^m,m!=prod_k=1^mbinomkn-1n-1
$$
Plug in $m=20$ and $n=10$ and multiply by $20$ to get
$$
frac200!10!^20,19!=20,prod_k=1^20binom10k-19
$$
But this is my answer ...
â user8277998
Aug 16 '17 at 8:49
@123: I see... I cited an answer that I wrote and didn't see that you had parenthetically cited the question to which that was an answer. However, without the connection given by the citations, the answers do not look the same. If this bothers you, I will delete my answer.
â robjohnâ¦
Aug 16 '17 at 13:01
@123: I have added another proof of the same identity to differentiate our answers. I will still delete this answer if you think they are too close.
â robjohnâ¦
Aug 16 '17 at 13:28
No, I have no problem with your answer, you can keep it as it is.
â user8277998
Aug 16 '17 at 14:36
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Using induction, this answer says that
$$
frac(mn)!(m!)^nn!=prod_k=1^nbinommk-1m-1
$$
Plug in $m=10$ and $n=20$ to get
$$
frac200!10!^20,20!=prod_k=1^20binom10k-19
$$
Multiply by $20$ to get
$$
frac200!10!^20,19!=20,prod_k=1^20binom10k-19
$$
Another Approach
Note that
$$
beginalign
binomknn
&=frac(kn-n+1)(kn-n+2)cdots(kn-1),kn1cdot2cdots(n-1),n\
&=frac(kn-n+1)(kn-n+2)cdots(kn-1),k1cdot2cdots(n-1)\
&=binomkn-1n-1,k
endalign
$$
Therefore, since we can write a multinomial as a product of binomials,
$$
beginalign
frac(mn)!n!^m
&=prod_k=1^mbinomknn\
&=prod_k=1^mbinomkn-1n-1,k\
&=m!,prod_k=1^mbinomkn-1n-1
endalign
$$
and so
$$
frac(mn)!n!^m,m!=prod_k=1^mbinomkn-1n-1
$$
Plug in $m=20$ and $n=10$ and multiply by $20$ to get
$$
frac200!10!^20,19!=20,prod_k=1^20binom10k-19
$$
But this is my answer ...
â user8277998
Aug 16 '17 at 8:49
@123: I see... I cited an answer that I wrote and didn't see that you had parenthetically cited the question to which that was an answer. However, without the connection given by the citations, the answers do not look the same. If this bothers you, I will delete my answer.
â robjohnâ¦
Aug 16 '17 at 13:01
@123: I have added another proof of the same identity to differentiate our answers. I will still delete this answer if you think they are too close.
â robjohnâ¦
Aug 16 '17 at 13:28
No, I have no problem with your answer, you can keep it as it is.
â user8277998
Aug 16 '17 at 14:36
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Using induction, this answer says that
$$
frac(mn)!(m!)^nn!=prod_k=1^nbinommk-1m-1
$$
Plug in $m=10$ and $n=20$ to get
$$
frac200!10!^20,20!=prod_k=1^20binom10k-19
$$
Multiply by $20$ to get
$$
frac200!10!^20,19!=20,prod_k=1^20binom10k-19
$$
Another Approach
Note that
$$
beginalign
binomknn
&=frac(kn-n+1)(kn-n+2)cdots(kn-1),kn1cdot2cdots(n-1),n\
&=frac(kn-n+1)(kn-n+2)cdots(kn-1),k1cdot2cdots(n-1)\
&=binomkn-1n-1,k
endalign
$$
Therefore, since we can write a multinomial as a product of binomials,
$$
beginalign
frac(mn)!n!^m
&=prod_k=1^mbinomknn\
&=prod_k=1^mbinomkn-1n-1,k\
&=m!,prod_k=1^mbinomkn-1n-1
endalign
$$
and so
$$
frac(mn)!n!^m,m!=prod_k=1^mbinomkn-1n-1
$$
Plug in $m=20$ and $n=10$ and multiply by $20$ to get
$$
frac200!10!^20,19!=20,prod_k=1^20binom10k-19
$$
Using induction, this answer says that
$$
frac(mn)!(m!)^nn!=prod_k=1^nbinommk-1m-1
$$
Plug in $m=10$ and $n=20$ to get
$$
frac200!10!^20,20!=prod_k=1^20binom10k-19
$$
Multiply by $20$ to get
$$
frac200!10!^20,19!=20,prod_k=1^20binom10k-19
$$
Another Approach
Note that
$$
beginalign
binomknn
&=frac(kn-n+1)(kn-n+2)cdots(kn-1),kn1cdot2cdots(n-1),n\
&=frac(kn-n+1)(kn-n+2)cdots(kn-1),k1cdot2cdots(n-1)\
&=binomkn-1n-1,k
endalign
$$
Therefore, since we can write a multinomial as a product of binomials,
$$
beginalign
frac(mn)!n!^m
&=prod_k=1^mbinomknn\
&=prod_k=1^mbinomkn-1n-1,k\
&=m!,prod_k=1^mbinomkn-1n-1
endalign
$$
and so
$$
frac(mn)!n!^m,m!=prod_k=1^mbinomkn-1n-1
$$
Plug in $m=20$ and $n=10$ and multiply by $20$ to get
$$
frac200!10!^20,19!=20,prod_k=1^20binom10k-19
$$
edited Aug 16 '17 at 13:22
answered Aug 15 '17 at 15:25
robjohnâ¦
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But this is my answer ...
â user8277998
Aug 16 '17 at 8:49
@123: I see... I cited an answer that I wrote and didn't see that you had parenthetically cited the question to which that was an answer. However, without the connection given by the citations, the answers do not look the same. If this bothers you, I will delete my answer.
â robjohnâ¦
Aug 16 '17 at 13:01
@123: I have added another proof of the same identity to differentiate our answers. I will still delete this answer if you think they are too close.
â robjohnâ¦
Aug 16 '17 at 13:28
No, I have no problem with your answer, you can keep it as it is.
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Aug 16 '17 at 14:36
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But this is my answer ...
â user8277998
Aug 16 '17 at 8:49
@123: I see... I cited an answer that I wrote and didn't see that you had parenthetically cited the question to which that was an answer. However, without the connection given by the citations, the answers do not look the same. If this bothers you, I will delete my answer.
â robjohnâ¦
Aug 16 '17 at 13:01
@123: I have added another proof of the same identity to differentiate our answers. I will still delete this answer if you think they are too close.
â robjohnâ¦
Aug 16 '17 at 13:28
No, I have no problem with your answer, you can keep it as it is.
â user8277998
Aug 16 '17 at 14:36
But this is my answer ...
â user8277998
Aug 16 '17 at 8:49
But this is my answer ...
â user8277998
Aug 16 '17 at 8:49
@123: I see... I cited an answer that I wrote and didn't see that you had parenthetically cited the question to which that was an answer. However, without the connection given by the citations, the answers do not look the same. If this bothers you, I will delete my answer.
â robjohnâ¦
Aug 16 '17 at 13:01
@123: I see... I cited an answer that I wrote and didn't see that you had parenthetically cited the question to which that was an answer. However, without the connection given by the citations, the answers do not look the same. If this bothers you, I will delete my answer.
â robjohnâ¦
Aug 16 '17 at 13:01
@123: I have added another proof of the same identity to differentiate our answers. I will still delete this answer if you think they are too close.
â robjohnâ¦
Aug 16 '17 at 13:28
@123: I have added another proof of the same identity to differentiate our answers. I will still delete this answer if you think they are too close.
â robjohnâ¦
Aug 16 '17 at 13:28
No, I have no problem with your answer, you can keep it as it is.
â user8277998
Aug 16 '17 at 14:36
No, I have no problem with your answer, you can keep it as it is.
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A long version:
$$frac200!10!^20 cdot 19!=frac30cdot31cdot .. cdot20010!^19cdot frac29!10!cdot(29-10)!=...$$
which is
$$...=frac30cdot31cdot .. cdot20010!^19cdot binom2910=\
fraccolorred30 ..colorred40 ..colorred50 ..colorred60..colorred70..colorred80..colorred90..colorred10^2..colorred110..colorred120..colorred130..colorred140..colorred150..colorred160..colorred170..colorred180..colorred190..colorred2cdot10^210!^19cdot binom2910=...$$
$20$ numbers divisible by 10, or
$$3cdot4cdot5cdot..cdot9cdot11cdot..cdot19cdot20cdotfrac31..39cdot41..49cdot51..59cdot..cdot191..1999!^19cdot binom2910=\
10cdotfrac2..9cdot11..19cdot31..39cdot41..49cdot51..59cdot..cdot191..1999!^19cdot binom2910=...$$
cardinality of $31,41,51,61,71,81,91,101,111,121,131,141,151,161,171,181,191$ is 17
$$...=10cdot frac1..99!cdotfrac11..199!cdotfrac31..399!cdot..cdotfrac191..1999!cdot binom2910=\
10cdot binom99 cdot binom199 cdot binom399cdot .. cdot binom1999 cdot binom2910$$
I would appreciate the down-voters to at least comment ...
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Aug 15 '17 at 8:29
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A long version:
$$frac200!10!^20 cdot 19!=frac30cdot31cdot .. cdot20010!^19cdot frac29!10!cdot(29-10)!=...$$
which is
$$...=frac30cdot31cdot .. cdot20010!^19cdot binom2910=\
fraccolorred30 ..colorred40 ..colorred50 ..colorred60..colorred70..colorred80..colorred90..colorred10^2..colorred110..colorred120..colorred130..colorred140..colorred150..colorred160..colorred170..colorred180..colorred190..colorred2cdot10^210!^19cdot binom2910=...$$
$20$ numbers divisible by 10, or
$$3cdot4cdot5cdot..cdot9cdot11cdot..cdot19cdot20cdotfrac31..39cdot41..49cdot51..59cdot..cdot191..1999!^19cdot binom2910=\
10cdotfrac2..9cdot11..19cdot31..39cdot41..49cdot51..59cdot..cdot191..1999!^19cdot binom2910=...$$
cardinality of $31,41,51,61,71,81,91,101,111,121,131,141,151,161,171,181,191$ is 17
$$...=10cdot frac1..99!cdotfrac11..199!cdotfrac31..399!cdot..cdotfrac191..1999!cdot binom2910=\
10cdot binom99 cdot binom199 cdot binom399cdot .. cdot binom1999 cdot binom2910$$
I would appreciate the down-voters to at least comment ...
â rtybase
Aug 15 '17 at 8:29
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A long version:
$$frac200!10!^20 cdot 19!=frac30cdot31cdot .. cdot20010!^19cdot frac29!10!cdot(29-10)!=...$$
which is
$$...=frac30cdot31cdot .. cdot20010!^19cdot binom2910=\
fraccolorred30 ..colorred40 ..colorred50 ..colorred60..colorred70..colorred80..colorred90..colorred10^2..colorred110..colorred120..colorred130..colorred140..colorred150..colorred160..colorred170..colorred180..colorred190..colorred2cdot10^210!^19cdot binom2910=...$$
$20$ numbers divisible by 10, or
$$3cdot4cdot5cdot..cdot9cdot11cdot..cdot19cdot20cdotfrac31..39cdot41..49cdot51..59cdot..cdot191..1999!^19cdot binom2910=\
10cdotfrac2..9cdot11..19cdot31..39cdot41..49cdot51..59cdot..cdot191..1999!^19cdot binom2910=...$$
cardinality of $31,41,51,61,71,81,91,101,111,121,131,141,151,161,171,181,191$ is 17
$$...=10cdot frac1..99!cdotfrac11..199!cdotfrac31..399!cdot..cdotfrac191..1999!cdot binom2910=\
10cdot binom99 cdot binom199 cdot binom399cdot .. cdot binom1999 cdot binom2910$$
A long version:
$$frac200!10!^20 cdot 19!=frac30cdot31cdot .. cdot20010!^19cdot frac29!10!cdot(29-10)!=...$$
which is
$$...=frac30cdot31cdot .. cdot20010!^19cdot binom2910=\
fraccolorred30 ..colorred40 ..colorred50 ..colorred60..colorred70..colorred80..colorred90..colorred10^2..colorred110..colorred120..colorred130..colorred140..colorred150..colorred160..colorred170..colorred180..colorred190..colorred2cdot10^210!^19cdot binom2910=...$$
$20$ numbers divisible by 10, or
$$3cdot4cdot5cdot..cdot9cdot11cdot..cdot19cdot20cdotfrac31..39cdot41..49cdot51..59cdot..cdot191..1999!^19cdot binom2910=\
10cdotfrac2..9cdot11..19cdot31..39cdot41..49cdot51..59cdot..cdot191..1999!^19cdot binom2910=...$$
cardinality of $31,41,51,61,71,81,91,101,111,121,131,141,151,161,171,181,191$ is 17
$$...=10cdot frac1..99!cdotfrac11..199!cdotfrac31..399!cdot..cdotfrac191..1999!cdot binom2910=\
10cdot binom99 cdot binom199 cdot binom399cdot .. cdot binom1999 cdot binom2910$$
edited Aug 15 '17 at 8:25
answered Aug 15 '17 at 8:07
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Consider $V=(10k+1)*....*(10k+9) $.
By your reasoning, $10k+9 choose 9=(10k+1)*....*(10k+9)/9! $ is an integer.
And $10(k+1)/10(k+1)$ is an integer.
So $(10k+1)*....*(10 (k+1)) $ is divisible by $9!*10*(k+1)=10!*(k+1)$.
So $200! $ is divisible by $10!*1*10!*2*10!*3*.....*10!*19=(10!)^20*19! $
Don't you mean it is divisible by $10!*(k+1)$ ?
â Jaap Scherphuis
Aug 15 '17 at 7:55
Yeah, I guess I did.
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Consider $V=(10k+1)*....*(10k+9) $.
By your reasoning, $10k+9 choose 9=(10k+1)*....*(10k+9)/9! $ is an integer.
And $10(k+1)/10(k+1)$ is an integer.
So $(10k+1)*....*(10 (k+1)) $ is divisible by $9!*10*(k+1)=10!*(k+1)$.
So $200! $ is divisible by $10!*1*10!*2*10!*3*.....*10!*19=(10!)^20*19! $
Don't you mean it is divisible by $10!*(k+1)$ ?
â Jaap Scherphuis
Aug 15 '17 at 7:55
Yeah, I guess I did.
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Consider $V=(10k+1)*....*(10k+9) $.
By your reasoning, $10k+9 choose 9=(10k+1)*....*(10k+9)/9! $ is an integer.
And $10(k+1)/10(k+1)$ is an integer.
So $(10k+1)*....*(10 (k+1)) $ is divisible by $9!*10*(k+1)=10!*(k+1)$.
So $200! $ is divisible by $10!*1*10!*2*10!*3*.....*10!*19=(10!)^20*19! $
Consider $V=(10k+1)*....*(10k+9) $.
By your reasoning, $10k+9 choose 9=(10k+1)*....*(10k+9)/9! $ is an integer.
And $10(k+1)/10(k+1)$ is an integer.
So $(10k+1)*....*(10 (k+1)) $ is divisible by $9!*10*(k+1)=10!*(k+1)$.
So $200! $ is divisible by $10!*1*10!*2*10!*3*.....*10!*19=(10!)^20*19! $
edited Aug 15 '17 at 16:22
answered Aug 15 '17 at 7:44
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Don't you mean it is divisible by $10!*(k+1)$ ?
â Jaap Scherphuis
Aug 15 '17 at 7:55
Yeah, I guess I did.
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Don't you mean it is divisible by $10!*(k+1)$ ?
â Jaap Scherphuis
Aug 15 '17 at 7:55
Yeah, I guess I did.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 16:22
Don't you mean it is divisible by $10!*(k+1)$ ?
â Jaap Scherphuis
Aug 15 '17 at 7:55
Don't you mean it is divisible by $10!*(k+1)$ ?
â Jaap Scherphuis
Aug 15 '17 at 7:55
Yeah, I guess I did.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 16:22
Yeah, I guess I did.
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I computed the answer just for fun using Java, and it's indeed an integer!
41355508127520659545494261323391337886154686759988983912363570790033502473625361601944917427369977161391866491251801111884812210789772970682172860398969828337097889527312353089859289462934116034461288917394623420753412096000000
import java.math.BigDecimal;
import java.math.RoundingMode;
public class JustForFun
public static void main(String args)
BigDecimal thFact = new BigDecimal("1");
BigDecimal tenFact = null, ntFact = null, tenFactPow20 = null;
/* Computes 200! and stores it in a */
for (int i = 1; i <= 200; i++)
thFact = thFact.multiply(new BigDecimal(i + ""));
/* stores 10! in b */
if (i == 10)
tenFact = thFact;
/* stores 19! in c */
if (i == 19)
ntFact = thFact;
tenFactPow20 = tenFact.pow(20);
tenFactPow20 = tenFactPow20.multiply(ntFact);
thFact = thFact.divide(tenFactPow20);
System.out.println(thFact);
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I computed the answer just for fun using Java, and it's indeed an integer!
41355508127520659545494261323391337886154686759988983912363570790033502473625361601944917427369977161391866491251801111884812210789772970682172860398969828337097889527312353089859289462934116034461288917394623420753412096000000
import java.math.BigDecimal;
import java.math.RoundingMode;
public class JustForFun
public static void main(String args)
BigDecimal thFact = new BigDecimal("1");
BigDecimal tenFact = null, ntFact = null, tenFactPow20 = null;
/* Computes 200! and stores it in a */
for (int i = 1; i <= 200; i++)
thFact = thFact.multiply(new BigDecimal(i + ""));
/* stores 10! in b */
if (i == 10)
tenFact = thFact;
/* stores 19! in c */
if (i == 19)
ntFact = thFact;
tenFactPow20 = tenFact.pow(20);
tenFactPow20 = tenFactPow20.multiply(ntFact);
thFact = thFact.divide(tenFactPow20);
System.out.println(thFact);
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I computed the answer just for fun using Java, and it's indeed an integer!
41355508127520659545494261323391337886154686759988983912363570790033502473625361601944917427369977161391866491251801111884812210789772970682172860398969828337097889527312353089859289462934116034461288917394623420753412096000000
import java.math.BigDecimal;
import java.math.RoundingMode;
public class JustForFun
public static void main(String args)
BigDecimal thFact = new BigDecimal("1");
BigDecimal tenFact = null, ntFact = null, tenFactPow20 = null;
/* Computes 200! and stores it in a */
for (int i = 1; i <= 200; i++)
thFact = thFact.multiply(new BigDecimal(i + ""));
/* stores 10! in b */
if (i == 10)
tenFact = thFact;
/* stores 19! in c */
if (i == 19)
ntFact = thFact;
tenFactPow20 = tenFact.pow(20);
tenFactPow20 = tenFactPow20.multiply(ntFact);
thFact = thFact.divide(tenFactPow20);
System.out.println(thFact);
I computed the answer just for fun using Java, and it's indeed an integer!
41355508127520659545494261323391337886154686759988983912363570790033502473625361601944917427369977161391866491251801111884812210789772970682172860398969828337097889527312353089859289462934116034461288917394623420753412096000000
import java.math.BigDecimal;
import java.math.RoundingMode;
public class JustForFun
public static void main(String args)
BigDecimal thFact = new BigDecimal("1");
BigDecimal tenFact = null, ntFact = null, tenFactPow20 = null;
/* Computes 200! and stores it in a */
for (int i = 1; i <= 200; i++)
thFact = thFact.multiply(new BigDecimal(i + ""));
/* stores 10! in b */
if (i == 10)
tenFact = thFact;
/* stores 19! in c */
if (i == 19)
ntFact = thFact;
tenFactPow20 = tenFact.pow(20);
tenFactPow20 = tenFactPow20.multiply(ntFact);
thFact = thFact.divide(tenFactPow20);
System.out.println(thFact);
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answered Aug 8 at 18:41
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There might be some clever way, but this is where I would start counting primes. Are there enough $2$'s in the numerator? $3$'s?
â Arthur
Aug 15 '17 at 7:23
Use the fact that every set of $k $ integers will have one integer divisible by $k $. Show that that means $(m+1)(m+2).... (m+k) $ will be divisible by $k! $. And that means $(1*2....10)(11*... 20)...... (191*....200) $ is divisible by $10!*10!*....10!$.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 7:26
That's an interesting friend you have there.
â uniquesolution
Aug 15 '17 at 7:30
To eliminate 19! Not that all k divide 10*k. Then each 10k+1 to 10k+9 is divisible by 9! And 10k/k = 10 so it is divisible by 10 as well.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 7:34
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An interesting question (at least I think it would be) is what is the largest integer $k$ so that $k!*10^20$ divides $200!$.
â fleablood
Aug 15 '17 at 16:27