Does an integral inequality imply a pointwise inequality?

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Let $(f_n)_n subset L^1(R^N)$. Suppose that for any nonnegative function $phi in C_c^infty(R^N)$, we have:



$$
0 leq liminf_n rightarrow infty int f_n , phi
$$



Can we conclude that $0 leq liminf_n rightarrow infty f_n(x)$ for almost every $x in R^N$?



My first idea is to use the definition of $liminf$ to get an estimate of $inf_m geq N int f_m , phi geq -epsilon$, where $N$ depends on $epsilon$. However, I'm not sure where to go from there.



Another fact that might be useful is that if $int f , phi geq 0$ for every nonnegative $phi in C_c^infty(R^N)$, then $f geq 0$ a.e. (this is proven similarly to corollary 4.24 in Brezis' Functional Analysis). We might be able to use this for $f = liminf f_n$, but I haven't been able to get it to work.







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    Bring everyting on the right side. Then your statement is equivalent to the following: If for any nonnegative function $phiin C_c^infty(mathbbR^N)$ holds: $$0leq liminf_nrightarrow infty int g_n phi$$ then $0leq liminf_nrightarrow infty g_n(x)$ for almost every $xin mathbbR^N.$
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    Yes, I thought of bringing everything to one side; I mentioned that at the bottom of my post. My next guess was to use the definition to estimate the terms, but I'm not sure that gets me anywhere.
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Let $(f_n)_n subset L^1(R^N)$. Suppose that for any nonnegative function $phi in C_c^infty(R^N)$, we have:



$$
0 leq liminf_n rightarrow infty int f_n , phi
$$



Can we conclude that $0 leq liminf_n rightarrow infty f_n(x)$ for almost every $x in R^N$?



My first idea is to use the definition of $liminf$ to get an estimate of $inf_m geq N int f_m , phi geq -epsilon$, where $N$ depends on $epsilon$. However, I'm not sure where to go from there.



Another fact that might be useful is that if $int f , phi geq 0$ for every nonnegative $phi in C_c^infty(R^N)$, then $f geq 0$ a.e. (this is proven similarly to corollary 4.24 in Brezis' Functional Analysis). We might be able to use this for $f = liminf f_n$, but I haven't been able to get it to work.







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    Bring everyting on the right side. Then your statement is equivalent to the following: If for any nonnegative function $phiin C_c^infty(mathbbR^N)$ holds: $$0leq liminf_nrightarrow infty int g_n phi$$ then $0leq liminf_nrightarrow infty g_n(x)$ for almost every $xin mathbbR^N.$
    – Severin Schraven
    Aug 8 at 19:41







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    Yes, I thought of bringing everything to one side; I mentioned that at the bottom of my post. My next guess was to use the definition to estimate the terms, but I'm not sure that gets me anywhere.
    – Sambo
    Aug 8 at 20:08












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Let $(f_n)_n subset L^1(R^N)$. Suppose that for any nonnegative function $phi in C_c^infty(R^N)$, we have:



$$
0 leq liminf_n rightarrow infty int f_n , phi
$$



Can we conclude that $0 leq liminf_n rightarrow infty f_n(x)$ for almost every $x in R^N$?



My first idea is to use the definition of $liminf$ to get an estimate of $inf_m geq N int f_m , phi geq -epsilon$, where $N$ depends on $epsilon$. However, I'm not sure where to go from there.



Another fact that might be useful is that if $int f , phi geq 0$ for every nonnegative $phi in C_c^infty(R^N)$, then $f geq 0$ a.e. (this is proven similarly to corollary 4.24 in Brezis' Functional Analysis). We might be able to use this for $f = liminf f_n$, but I haven't been able to get it to work.







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Let $(f_n)_n subset L^1(R^N)$. Suppose that for any nonnegative function $phi in C_c^infty(R^N)$, we have:



$$
0 leq liminf_n rightarrow infty int f_n , phi
$$



Can we conclude that $0 leq liminf_n rightarrow infty f_n(x)$ for almost every $x in R^N$?



My first idea is to use the definition of $liminf$ to get an estimate of $inf_m geq N int f_m , phi geq -epsilon$, where $N$ depends on $epsilon$. However, I'm not sure where to go from there.



Another fact that might be useful is that if $int f , phi geq 0$ for every nonnegative $phi in C_c^infty(R^N)$, then $f geq 0$ a.e. (this is proven similarly to corollary 4.24 in Brezis' Functional Analysis). We might be able to use this for $f = liminf f_n$, but I haven't been able to get it to work.









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    Bring everyting on the right side. Then your statement is equivalent to the following: If for any nonnegative function $phiin C_c^infty(mathbbR^N)$ holds: $$0leq liminf_nrightarrow infty int g_n phi$$ then $0leq liminf_nrightarrow infty g_n(x)$ for almost every $xin mathbbR^N.$
    – Severin Schraven
    Aug 8 at 19:41







  • 1




    Yes, I thought of bringing everything to one side; I mentioned that at the bottom of my post. My next guess was to use the definition to estimate the terms, but I'm not sure that gets me anywhere.
    – Sambo
    Aug 8 at 20:08












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    Bring everyting on the right side. Then your statement is equivalent to the following: If for any nonnegative function $phiin C_c^infty(mathbbR^N)$ holds: $$0leq liminf_nrightarrow infty int g_n phi$$ then $0leq liminf_nrightarrow infty g_n(x)$ for almost every $xin mathbbR^N.$
    – Severin Schraven
    Aug 8 at 19:41







  • 1




    Yes, I thought of bringing everything to one side; I mentioned that at the bottom of my post. My next guess was to use the definition to estimate the terms, but I'm not sure that gets me anywhere.
    – Sambo
    Aug 8 at 20:08







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Bring everyting on the right side. Then your statement is equivalent to the following: If for any nonnegative function $phiin C_c^infty(mathbbR^N)$ holds: $$0leq liminf_nrightarrow infty int g_n phi$$ then $0leq liminf_nrightarrow infty g_n(x)$ for almost every $xin mathbbR^N.$
– Severin Schraven
Aug 8 at 19:41





Bring everyting on the right side. Then your statement is equivalent to the following: If for any nonnegative function $phiin C_c^infty(mathbbR^N)$ holds: $$0leq liminf_nrightarrow infty int g_n phi$$ then $0leq liminf_nrightarrow infty g_n(x)$ for almost every $xin mathbbR^N.$
– Severin Schraven
Aug 8 at 19:41





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Yes, I thought of bringing everything to one side; I mentioned that at the bottom of my post. My next guess was to use the definition to estimate the terms, but I'm not sure that gets me anywhere.
– Sambo
Aug 8 at 20:08




Yes, I thought of bringing everything to one side; I mentioned that at the bottom of my post. My next guess was to use the definition to estimate the terms, but I'm not sure that gets me anywhere.
– Sambo
Aug 8 at 20:08










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For $N=1$, let us consider the functions
$$
f_n(x) :=
begincases
sin(nx), & xin [0,2pi],\
0, & textotherwise.
endcases
$$
Then, for every $phiin C_c(mathbbR)$, by the Riemann-Lebesgue lemma one has $lim_nto+infty int f_n phi = 0$.
On the other hand, $liminf_n f_n(x) = -1$ for a.e. $xin (0,2pi)$ (and $0$ otherwise).






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    On $mathbb R,$ define the sequence $f_n$ as



    $$-mathbb 1_[0,1],-mathbb 1_[0,1/2], -mathbb 1_[1/2,1], -mathbb 1_[0,1/3],-mathbb 1_[1/3,2/3],-mathbb 1i_[2/3,1], dots$$



    Then $int f_nphi to 0$ for every $phi in L^1,$ yet $liminf f_n(x) = -1$ for every $xin [0,1].$



    With a little extra care we could get $liminf f_n(x) = -1$ for every $xin mathbb R.$






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      For $N=1$, let us consider the functions
      $$
      f_n(x) :=
      begincases
      sin(nx), & xin [0,2pi],\
      0, & textotherwise.
      endcases
      $$
      Then, for every $phiin C_c(mathbbR)$, by the Riemann-Lebesgue lemma one has $lim_nto+infty int f_n phi = 0$.
      On the other hand, $liminf_n f_n(x) = -1$ for a.e. $xin (0,2pi)$ (and $0$ otherwise).






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        For $N=1$, let us consider the functions
        $$
        f_n(x) :=
        begincases
        sin(nx), & xin [0,2pi],\
        0, & textotherwise.
        endcases
        $$
        Then, for every $phiin C_c(mathbbR)$, by the Riemann-Lebesgue lemma one has $lim_nto+infty int f_n phi = 0$.
        On the other hand, $liminf_n f_n(x) = -1$ for a.e. $xin (0,2pi)$ (and $0$ otherwise).






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          For $N=1$, let us consider the functions
          $$
          f_n(x) :=
          begincases
          sin(nx), & xin [0,2pi],\
          0, & textotherwise.
          endcases
          $$
          Then, for every $phiin C_c(mathbbR)$, by the Riemann-Lebesgue lemma one has $lim_nto+infty int f_n phi = 0$.
          On the other hand, $liminf_n f_n(x) = -1$ for a.e. $xin (0,2pi)$ (and $0$ otherwise).






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          For $N=1$, let us consider the functions
          $$
          f_n(x) :=
          begincases
          sin(nx), & xin [0,2pi],\
          0, & textotherwise.
          endcases
          $$
          Then, for every $phiin C_c(mathbbR)$, by the Riemann-Lebesgue lemma one has $lim_nto+infty int f_n phi = 0$.
          On the other hand, $liminf_n f_n(x) = -1$ for a.e. $xin (0,2pi)$ (and $0$ otherwise).







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              On $mathbb R,$ define the sequence $f_n$ as



              $$-mathbb 1_[0,1],-mathbb 1_[0,1/2], -mathbb 1_[1/2,1], -mathbb 1_[0,1/3],-mathbb 1_[1/3,2/3],-mathbb 1i_[2/3,1], dots$$



              Then $int f_nphi to 0$ for every $phi in L^1,$ yet $liminf f_n(x) = -1$ for every $xin [0,1].$



              With a little extra care we could get $liminf f_n(x) = -1$ for every $xin mathbb R.$






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                On $mathbb R,$ define the sequence $f_n$ as



                $$-mathbb 1_[0,1],-mathbb 1_[0,1/2], -mathbb 1_[1/2,1], -mathbb 1_[0,1/3],-mathbb 1_[1/3,2/3],-mathbb 1i_[2/3,1], dots$$



                Then $int f_nphi to 0$ for every $phi in L^1,$ yet $liminf f_n(x) = -1$ for every $xin [0,1].$



                With a little extra care we could get $liminf f_n(x) = -1$ for every $xin mathbb R.$






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                  On $mathbb R,$ define the sequence $f_n$ as



                  $$-mathbb 1_[0,1],-mathbb 1_[0,1/2], -mathbb 1_[1/2,1], -mathbb 1_[0,1/3],-mathbb 1_[1/3,2/3],-mathbb 1i_[2/3,1], dots$$



                  Then $int f_nphi to 0$ for every $phi in L^1,$ yet $liminf f_n(x) = -1$ for every $xin [0,1].$



                  With a little extra care we could get $liminf f_n(x) = -1$ for every $xin mathbb R.$






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                  On $mathbb R,$ define the sequence $f_n$ as



                  $$-mathbb 1_[0,1],-mathbb 1_[0,1/2], -mathbb 1_[1/2,1], -mathbb 1_[0,1/3],-mathbb 1_[1/3,2/3],-mathbb 1i_[2/3,1], dots$$



                  Then $int f_nphi to 0$ for every $phi in L^1,$ yet $liminf f_n(x) = -1$ for every $xin [0,1].$



                  With a little extra care we could get $liminf f_n(x) = -1$ for every $xin mathbb R.$







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