What give rise to the apparent quasiperiodicity of integer multiples of $pi$ and $e$ plotted here?

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Recently, I was investigating the following equation:
$$ppi = qe, p,q in BbbN$$
I then plot the sets $ppi$ in black,$qe$ in yellow and obtained the following plot:
enter image description here



which apparently it has some kind of fringes that looks evenly spaced, suggesting some kind of periodicity.



To investigate further, I zoomed in and comparing the fringes, and noting it is not quite periodic at all, as the spacing between the multiples of $e$ and $pi$ when they almost overlap is different from fringe to fringe and those spacings (the width between the black and yellow lines within each red pointed arrow region) does not follow any recognisable pattern



enter image description here



To avoid human bias of the tendency to recognise patterns when there isn't any, I investigate further by comparing between where I think the bunchings are (black doodles) and a regular reference point which drew lines for the 2nd to 6th yellow line in the plot, skip the next two yellow lines, and then repeat the pattern again (red doodles, 0th line is the origin on the left). I also count every 6th black line, which often have a yellow line very close to them, and mark those positions with cyan.



I then noticed even at these more coarse graining, the position of the center of these fringes drift erractically but slightly (roughly by 1 integer) as it proceeds to the right (emphasised by the black braces where the single ones mark 3 integer spacings and the fused braces marked when there are 4 integer spacings. The drifting of the fringes is also apparent when comparing its positions with the red doodles, showing it gets less line up as it proceeds)



Also, technically at the 8th fringe and the 4th yellow line in that fringe (focus on the rightmost black doodle), the pattern kind of breaks down since there are no multiples of $pi$ (represented by purple lines) that are closest to it as the nearest one is at least 0.5 units away.



enter image description here



  1. Is there any known result that can describe that drifting behaviour?

  2. Given that even at the fringe level, the behaviour is not actually periodic despite it looks like so. What are the mathematical tool or quantity I need in order to accurately measure the width of these fringes and their quasiperiod?

  3. If 2 is true and there really exists a quasiperiod somewhere between 3 and 4, how to explain how it arises?

Here's the link to the plots for you to play with
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    Recently, I was investigating the following equation:
    $$ppi = qe, p,q in BbbN$$
    I then plot the sets $ppi$ in black,$qe$ in yellow and obtained the following plot:
    enter image description here



    which apparently it has some kind of fringes that looks evenly spaced, suggesting some kind of periodicity.



    To investigate further, I zoomed in and comparing the fringes, and noting it is not quite periodic at all, as the spacing between the multiples of $e$ and $pi$ when they almost overlap is different from fringe to fringe and those spacings (the width between the black and yellow lines within each red pointed arrow region) does not follow any recognisable pattern



    enter image description here



    To avoid human bias of the tendency to recognise patterns when there isn't any, I investigate further by comparing between where I think the bunchings are (black doodles) and a regular reference point which drew lines for the 2nd to 6th yellow line in the plot, skip the next two yellow lines, and then repeat the pattern again (red doodles, 0th line is the origin on the left). I also count every 6th black line, which often have a yellow line very close to them, and mark those positions with cyan.



    I then noticed even at these more coarse graining, the position of the center of these fringes drift erractically but slightly (roughly by 1 integer) as it proceeds to the right (emphasised by the black braces where the single ones mark 3 integer spacings and the fused braces marked when there are 4 integer spacings. The drifting of the fringes is also apparent when comparing its positions with the red doodles, showing it gets less line up as it proceeds)



    Also, technically at the 8th fringe and the 4th yellow line in that fringe (focus on the rightmost black doodle), the pattern kind of breaks down since there are no multiples of $pi$ (represented by purple lines) that are closest to it as the nearest one is at least 0.5 units away.



    enter image description here



    1. Is there any known result that can describe that drifting behaviour?

    2. Given that even at the fringe level, the behaviour is not actually periodic despite it looks like so. What are the mathematical tool or quantity I need in order to accurately measure the width of these fringes and their quasiperiod?

    3. If 2 is true and there really exists a quasiperiod somewhere between 3 and 4, how to explain how it arises?

    Here's the link to the plots for you to play with
    https://www.desmos.com/calculator/0suntwa7ya







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      Recently, I was investigating the following equation:
      $$ppi = qe, p,q in BbbN$$
      I then plot the sets $ppi$ in black,$qe$ in yellow and obtained the following plot:
      enter image description here



      which apparently it has some kind of fringes that looks evenly spaced, suggesting some kind of periodicity.



      To investigate further, I zoomed in and comparing the fringes, and noting it is not quite periodic at all, as the spacing between the multiples of $e$ and $pi$ when they almost overlap is different from fringe to fringe and those spacings (the width between the black and yellow lines within each red pointed arrow region) does not follow any recognisable pattern



      enter image description here



      To avoid human bias of the tendency to recognise patterns when there isn't any, I investigate further by comparing between where I think the bunchings are (black doodles) and a regular reference point which drew lines for the 2nd to 6th yellow line in the plot, skip the next two yellow lines, and then repeat the pattern again (red doodles, 0th line is the origin on the left). I also count every 6th black line, which often have a yellow line very close to them, and mark those positions with cyan.



      I then noticed even at these more coarse graining, the position of the center of these fringes drift erractically but slightly (roughly by 1 integer) as it proceeds to the right (emphasised by the black braces where the single ones mark 3 integer spacings and the fused braces marked when there are 4 integer spacings. The drifting of the fringes is also apparent when comparing its positions with the red doodles, showing it gets less line up as it proceeds)



      Also, technically at the 8th fringe and the 4th yellow line in that fringe (focus on the rightmost black doodle), the pattern kind of breaks down since there are no multiples of $pi$ (represented by purple lines) that are closest to it as the nearest one is at least 0.5 units away.



      enter image description here



      1. Is there any known result that can describe that drifting behaviour?

      2. Given that even at the fringe level, the behaviour is not actually periodic despite it looks like so. What are the mathematical tool or quantity I need in order to accurately measure the width of these fringes and their quasiperiod?

      3. If 2 is true and there really exists a quasiperiod somewhere between 3 and 4, how to explain how it arises?

      Here's the link to the plots for you to play with
      https://www.desmos.com/calculator/0suntwa7ya







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      Recently, I was investigating the following equation:
      $$ppi = qe, p,q in BbbN$$
      I then plot the sets $ppi$ in black,$qe$ in yellow and obtained the following plot:
      enter image description here



      which apparently it has some kind of fringes that looks evenly spaced, suggesting some kind of periodicity.



      To investigate further, I zoomed in and comparing the fringes, and noting it is not quite periodic at all, as the spacing between the multiples of $e$ and $pi$ when they almost overlap is different from fringe to fringe and those spacings (the width between the black and yellow lines within each red pointed arrow region) does not follow any recognisable pattern



      enter image description here



      To avoid human bias of the tendency to recognise patterns when there isn't any, I investigate further by comparing between where I think the bunchings are (black doodles) and a regular reference point which drew lines for the 2nd to 6th yellow line in the plot, skip the next two yellow lines, and then repeat the pattern again (red doodles, 0th line is the origin on the left). I also count every 6th black line, which often have a yellow line very close to them, and mark those positions with cyan.



      I then noticed even at these more coarse graining, the position of the center of these fringes drift erractically but slightly (roughly by 1 integer) as it proceeds to the right (emphasised by the black braces where the single ones mark 3 integer spacings and the fused braces marked when there are 4 integer spacings. The drifting of the fringes is also apparent when comparing its positions with the red doodles, showing it gets less line up as it proceeds)



      Also, technically at the 8th fringe and the 4th yellow line in that fringe (focus on the rightmost black doodle), the pattern kind of breaks down since there are no multiples of $pi$ (represented by purple lines) that are closest to it as the nearest one is at least 0.5 units away.



      enter image description here



      1. Is there any known result that can describe that drifting behaviour?

      2. Given that even at the fringe level, the behaviour is not actually periodic despite it looks like so. What are the mathematical tool or quantity I need in order to accurately measure the width of these fringes and their quasiperiod?

      3. If 2 is true and there really exists a quasiperiod somewhere between 3 and 4, how to explain how it arises?

      Here's the link to the plots for you to play with
      https://www.desmos.com/calculator/0suntwa7ya









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          This is a Moiré pattern caused by $pi$ and $e$ both being close to $3$.



          In some regions the lines of $pi mathbbZ$ and $e mathbbZ$ will almost coincide and there the graph will look less dense, while in other regions the opposite will occur.






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            This is a Moiré pattern caused by $pi$ and $e$ both being close to $3$.



            In some regions the lines of $pi mathbbZ$ and $e mathbbZ$ will almost coincide and there the graph will look less dense, while in other regions the opposite will occur.






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              This is a Moiré pattern caused by $pi$ and $e$ both being close to $3$.



              In some regions the lines of $pi mathbbZ$ and $e mathbbZ$ will almost coincide and there the graph will look less dense, while in other regions the opposite will occur.






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                This is a Moiré pattern caused by $pi$ and $e$ both being close to $3$.



                In some regions the lines of $pi mathbbZ$ and $e mathbbZ$ will almost coincide and there the graph will look less dense, while in other regions the opposite will occur.






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                This is a Moiré pattern caused by $pi$ and $e$ both being close to $3$.



                In some regions the lines of $pi mathbbZ$ and $e mathbbZ$ will almost coincide and there the graph will look less dense, while in other regions the opposite will occur.







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