Dominance relation and subgroup relation in symmetric group

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Consider symmetric group $S_n$.



Let $lambda=(lambda_1,lambda_2,cdots,lambda_k)$ be a partition of $n$ with $lambda_1gelambda_2cdots$ (so $lambda_1+lambda_2+cdots + lambda_k=n$).



Let $mu=(mu_1,mu_2,cdots,mu_r)$ be another partition of $n$.



In the representation theory of symmetric group, one important relation on partitions comes is the dominance relation:
$$lambda trianglerighteq mu mbox if (lambda_1 + lambda_2 + lambda_i) ge (mu_1 + mu_2 + cdots + mu_i) mbox for all ige 1.$$



Let $lambda,mu$ be two partitions of $n$ as above. Then the partition of $lambda$ determines a conjugacy class of subgroups of $S_n$, isomorphic to
$$S_lambda_1times S_lambda_2times cdots times S_lambda_k $$
where



  • $S_lambda_1$ is symmetric group on first $lambda_1$ symbols $1,2,cdots,lambda_1$,


  • $S_lambda_2$ is the permutation group on next $lambda_2$ symbols, and so on.



Question. If $lambdatrianglerighteq mu$, then is it true that some conjugate of $S_mu_1times S_mu_2times cdots times S_mu_r$ is contained in some conjugate of $S_lambda_1times S_lambda_2times cdots times S_lambda_k$? (conjugates taken by may be different permutations in $S_n$ for these two subgroups.)








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    No: $(4,2)$ dominates $(3,3)$ but the order of $S_3 times S_3$ is divisible by $3^2$ while that of $S_4 times S_2$ is not.
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Consider symmetric group $S_n$.



Let $lambda=(lambda_1,lambda_2,cdots,lambda_k)$ be a partition of $n$ with $lambda_1gelambda_2cdots$ (so $lambda_1+lambda_2+cdots + lambda_k=n$).



Let $mu=(mu_1,mu_2,cdots,mu_r)$ be another partition of $n$.



In the representation theory of symmetric group, one important relation on partitions comes is the dominance relation:
$$lambda trianglerighteq mu mbox if (lambda_1 + lambda_2 + lambda_i) ge (mu_1 + mu_2 + cdots + mu_i) mbox for all ige 1.$$



Let $lambda,mu$ be two partitions of $n$ as above. Then the partition of $lambda$ determines a conjugacy class of subgroups of $S_n$, isomorphic to
$$S_lambda_1times S_lambda_2times cdots times S_lambda_k $$
where



  • $S_lambda_1$ is symmetric group on first $lambda_1$ symbols $1,2,cdots,lambda_1$,


  • $S_lambda_2$ is the permutation group on next $lambda_2$ symbols, and so on.



Question. If $lambdatrianglerighteq mu$, then is it true that some conjugate of $S_mu_1times S_mu_2times cdots times S_mu_r$ is contained in some conjugate of $S_lambda_1times S_lambda_2times cdots times S_lambda_k$? (conjugates taken by may be different permutations in $S_n$ for these two subgroups.)








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    No: $(4,2)$ dominates $(3,3)$ but the order of $S_3 times S_3$ is divisible by $3^2$ while that of $S_4 times S_2$ is not.
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Consider symmetric group $S_n$.



Let $lambda=(lambda_1,lambda_2,cdots,lambda_k)$ be a partition of $n$ with $lambda_1gelambda_2cdots$ (so $lambda_1+lambda_2+cdots + lambda_k=n$).



Let $mu=(mu_1,mu_2,cdots,mu_r)$ be another partition of $n$.



In the representation theory of symmetric group, one important relation on partitions comes is the dominance relation:
$$lambda trianglerighteq mu mbox if (lambda_1 + lambda_2 + lambda_i) ge (mu_1 + mu_2 + cdots + mu_i) mbox for all ige 1.$$



Let $lambda,mu$ be two partitions of $n$ as above. Then the partition of $lambda$ determines a conjugacy class of subgroups of $S_n$, isomorphic to
$$S_lambda_1times S_lambda_2times cdots times S_lambda_k $$
where



  • $S_lambda_1$ is symmetric group on first $lambda_1$ symbols $1,2,cdots,lambda_1$,


  • $S_lambda_2$ is the permutation group on next $lambda_2$ symbols, and so on.



Question. If $lambdatrianglerighteq mu$, then is it true that some conjugate of $S_mu_1times S_mu_2times cdots times S_mu_r$ is contained in some conjugate of $S_lambda_1times S_lambda_2times cdots times S_lambda_k$? (conjugates taken by may be different permutations in $S_n$ for these two subgroups.)








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Consider symmetric group $S_n$.



Let $lambda=(lambda_1,lambda_2,cdots,lambda_k)$ be a partition of $n$ with $lambda_1gelambda_2cdots$ (so $lambda_1+lambda_2+cdots + lambda_k=n$).



Let $mu=(mu_1,mu_2,cdots,mu_r)$ be another partition of $n$.



In the representation theory of symmetric group, one important relation on partitions comes is the dominance relation:
$$lambda trianglerighteq mu mbox if (lambda_1 + lambda_2 + lambda_i) ge (mu_1 + mu_2 + cdots + mu_i) mbox for all ige 1.$$



Let $lambda,mu$ be two partitions of $n$ as above. Then the partition of $lambda$ determines a conjugacy class of subgroups of $S_n$, isomorphic to
$$S_lambda_1times S_lambda_2times cdots times S_lambda_k $$
where



  • $S_lambda_1$ is symmetric group on first $lambda_1$ symbols $1,2,cdots,lambda_1$,


  • $S_lambda_2$ is the permutation group on next $lambda_2$ symbols, and so on.



Question. If $lambdatrianglerighteq mu$, then is it true that some conjugate of $S_mu_1times S_mu_2times cdots times S_mu_r$ is contained in some conjugate of $S_lambda_1times S_lambda_2times cdots times S_lambda_k$? (conjugates taken by may be different permutations in $S_n$ for these two subgroups.)










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    No: $(4,2)$ dominates $(3,3)$ but the order of $S_3 times S_3$ is divisible by $3^2$ while that of $S_4 times S_2$ is not.
    – Stephen
    Aug 20 at 18:16












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    No: $(4,2)$ dominates $(3,3)$ but the order of $S_3 times S_3$ is divisible by $3^2$ while that of $S_4 times S_2$ is not.
    – Stephen
    Aug 20 at 18:16







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No: $(4,2)$ dominates $(3,3)$ but the order of $S_3 times S_3$ is divisible by $3^2$ while that of $S_4 times S_2$ is not.
– Stephen
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No: $(4,2)$ dominates $(3,3)$ but the order of $S_3 times S_3$ is divisible by $3^2$ while that of $S_4 times S_2$ is not.
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