Taking $4$ shots or $6$?

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Suppose your skill (the ability to make a shot) follows a binomial distribution (with some unknown $p$). You need to make at least half of the shots. Would you rather take $4$ or $6$? More precisely, what should be the $p$ which is the threshold of your decision?




My Try: assuming $0 < p < 1$.
$$6choose3p^3(1-p)^3 =4choose2p^2(1-p)^2 \
implies p(1-p) = 6/20
$$



but apparently the answer is: $3/5$.



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    The question says AT LEAST half of the shots. Your probabilities are for EXACTLY $3$ and $2$ shots.
    – the man
    Aug 20 at 10:57










  • Oh okay. By the way, how should this result be interpreted (= at least half)? There's no such $p$?
    – Elimination
    Aug 20 at 11:01










  • If you make $6$ shots at least half means "$3$ or more". That is, $3,4,5$ or $6.$
    – mfl
    Aug 20 at 11:25














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Suppose your skill (the ability to make a shot) follows a binomial distribution (with some unknown $p$). You need to make at least half of the shots. Would you rather take $4$ or $6$? More precisely, what should be the $p$ which is the threshold of your decision?




My Try: assuming $0 < p < 1$.
$$6choose3p^3(1-p)^3 =4choose2p^2(1-p)^2 \
implies p(1-p) = 6/20
$$



but apparently the answer is: $3/5$.



What's wrong with my calculation?







share|cite|improve this question


















  • 4




    The question says AT LEAST half of the shots. Your probabilities are for EXACTLY $3$ and $2$ shots.
    – the man
    Aug 20 at 10:57










  • Oh okay. By the way, how should this result be interpreted (= at least half)? There's no such $p$?
    – Elimination
    Aug 20 at 11:01










  • If you make $6$ shots at least half means "$3$ or more". That is, $3,4,5$ or $6.$
    – mfl
    Aug 20 at 11:25












up vote
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up vote
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Suppose your skill (the ability to make a shot) follows a binomial distribution (with some unknown $p$). You need to make at least half of the shots. Would you rather take $4$ or $6$? More precisely, what should be the $p$ which is the threshold of your decision?




My Try: assuming $0 < p < 1$.
$$6choose3p^3(1-p)^3 =4choose2p^2(1-p)^2 \
implies p(1-p) = 6/20
$$



but apparently the answer is: $3/5$.



What's wrong with my calculation?







share|cite|improve this question















Suppose your skill (the ability to make a shot) follows a binomial distribution (with some unknown $p$). You need to make at least half of the shots. Would you rather take $4$ or $6$? More precisely, what should be the $p$ which is the threshold of your decision?




My Try: assuming $0 < p < 1$.
$$6choose3p^3(1-p)^3 =4choose2p^2(1-p)^2 \
implies p(1-p) = 6/20
$$



but apparently the answer is: $3/5$.



What's wrong with my calculation?









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  • 4




    The question says AT LEAST half of the shots. Your probabilities are for EXACTLY $3$ and $2$ shots.
    – the man
    Aug 20 at 10:57










  • Oh okay. By the way, how should this result be interpreted (= at least half)? There's no such $p$?
    – Elimination
    Aug 20 at 11:01










  • If you make $6$ shots at least half means "$3$ or more". That is, $3,4,5$ or $6.$
    – mfl
    Aug 20 at 11:25












  • 4




    The question says AT LEAST half of the shots. Your probabilities are for EXACTLY $3$ and $2$ shots.
    – the man
    Aug 20 at 10:57










  • Oh okay. By the way, how should this result be interpreted (= at least half)? There's no such $p$?
    – Elimination
    Aug 20 at 11:01










  • If you make $6$ shots at least half means "$3$ or more". That is, $3,4,5$ or $6.$
    – mfl
    Aug 20 at 11:25







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The question says AT LEAST half of the shots. Your probabilities are for EXACTLY $3$ and $2$ shots.
– the man
Aug 20 at 10:57




The question says AT LEAST half of the shots. Your probabilities are for EXACTLY $3$ and $2$ shots.
– the man
Aug 20 at 10:57












Oh okay. By the way, how should this result be interpreted (= at least half)? There's no such $p$?
– Elimination
Aug 20 at 11:01




Oh okay. By the way, how should this result be interpreted (= at least half)? There's no such $p$?
– Elimination
Aug 20 at 11:01












If you make $6$ shots at least half means "$3$ or more". That is, $3,4,5$ or $6.$
– mfl
Aug 20 at 11:25




If you make $6$ shots at least half means "$3$ or more". That is, $3,4,5$ or $6.$
– mfl
Aug 20 at 11:25










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In the case of $B(6,p)$ we fail with probability ($0,1,2$ shots)



$$(1-p)^6+6p(1-p)^5+15p^2(1-p)^4.$$



In the case of $B(4,p)$ we fail with probability ($0,1$ shots)



$$(1-p)^4+4p(1-p)^3.$$



Now, we have



$$(1-p)^4+4p(1-p)^3-(1-p)^6-6p(1-p)^5-15p^2(1-p)^4=2p^2(1-p)^3(5p-3). $$ And thus we get $p=dfrac35.$



We can conclude that if $p<dfrac35$ it is better to choose $6$ shots and if $p>dfrac35$ $4$ shots.






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  • Thank you mfl!!
    – Elimination
    Aug 20 at 11:26










  • You're welcome.
    – mfl
    Aug 20 at 11:27

















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Probability of making AT LEAST half shots out of 6 is



$$
binom63p^3(1-p)^3 +binom64p^4(1-p)^2 +binom65p^5(1-p) +binom66p^3
$$



and for making at least 2 out of 4 is



$$
binom42p^2(1-p)^2 +binom43p^3(1-p) +binom44p^4
$$



For threshold $p$, equating both, we get:
$$
10p^4-36p^3+48p^2-28p+6 = 0
$$
which reduces to
$$
2(x-1)^3(5x-3) = 0
$$
which gives $p = frac 35$ since $0 lt p lt 1$.






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    you have a power of $p$ in your third equation which I am sure is not intentionally ;)
    – Jan
    Aug 21 at 15:42










  • @Jan fixed. Thanks
    – artha
    Aug 21 at 16:15










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In the case of $B(6,p)$ we fail with probability ($0,1,2$ shots)



$$(1-p)^6+6p(1-p)^5+15p^2(1-p)^4.$$



In the case of $B(4,p)$ we fail with probability ($0,1$ shots)



$$(1-p)^4+4p(1-p)^3.$$



Now, we have



$$(1-p)^4+4p(1-p)^3-(1-p)^6-6p(1-p)^5-15p^2(1-p)^4=2p^2(1-p)^3(5p-3). $$ And thus we get $p=dfrac35.$



We can conclude that if $p<dfrac35$ it is better to choose $6$ shots and if $p>dfrac35$ $4$ shots.






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  • Thank you mfl!!
    – Elimination
    Aug 20 at 11:26










  • You're welcome.
    – mfl
    Aug 20 at 11:27














up vote
2
down vote



accepted










In the case of $B(6,p)$ we fail with probability ($0,1,2$ shots)



$$(1-p)^6+6p(1-p)^5+15p^2(1-p)^4.$$



In the case of $B(4,p)$ we fail with probability ($0,1$ shots)



$$(1-p)^4+4p(1-p)^3.$$



Now, we have



$$(1-p)^4+4p(1-p)^3-(1-p)^6-6p(1-p)^5-15p^2(1-p)^4=2p^2(1-p)^3(5p-3). $$ And thus we get $p=dfrac35.$



We can conclude that if $p<dfrac35$ it is better to choose $6$ shots and if $p>dfrac35$ $4$ shots.






share|cite|improve this answer




















  • Thank you mfl!!
    – Elimination
    Aug 20 at 11:26










  • You're welcome.
    – mfl
    Aug 20 at 11:27












up vote
2
down vote



accepted







up vote
2
down vote



accepted






In the case of $B(6,p)$ we fail with probability ($0,1,2$ shots)



$$(1-p)^6+6p(1-p)^5+15p^2(1-p)^4.$$



In the case of $B(4,p)$ we fail with probability ($0,1$ shots)



$$(1-p)^4+4p(1-p)^3.$$



Now, we have



$$(1-p)^4+4p(1-p)^3-(1-p)^6-6p(1-p)^5-15p^2(1-p)^4=2p^2(1-p)^3(5p-3). $$ And thus we get $p=dfrac35.$



We can conclude that if $p<dfrac35$ it is better to choose $6$ shots and if $p>dfrac35$ $4$ shots.






share|cite|improve this answer












In the case of $B(6,p)$ we fail with probability ($0,1,2$ shots)



$$(1-p)^6+6p(1-p)^5+15p^2(1-p)^4.$$



In the case of $B(4,p)$ we fail with probability ($0,1$ shots)



$$(1-p)^4+4p(1-p)^3.$$



Now, we have



$$(1-p)^4+4p(1-p)^3-(1-p)^6-6p(1-p)^5-15p^2(1-p)^4=2p^2(1-p)^3(5p-3). $$ And thus we get $p=dfrac35.$



We can conclude that if $p<dfrac35$ it is better to choose $6$ shots and if $p>dfrac35$ $4$ shots.







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  • Thank you mfl!!
    – Elimination
    Aug 20 at 11:26










  • You're welcome.
    – mfl
    Aug 20 at 11:27
















  • Thank you mfl!!
    – Elimination
    Aug 20 at 11:26










  • You're welcome.
    – mfl
    Aug 20 at 11:27















Thank you mfl!!
– Elimination
Aug 20 at 11:26




Thank you mfl!!
– Elimination
Aug 20 at 11:26












You're welcome.
– mfl
Aug 20 at 11:27




You're welcome.
– mfl
Aug 20 at 11:27










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1
down vote













Probability of making AT LEAST half shots out of 6 is



$$
binom63p^3(1-p)^3 +binom64p^4(1-p)^2 +binom65p^5(1-p) +binom66p^3
$$



and for making at least 2 out of 4 is



$$
binom42p^2(1-p)^2 +binom43p^3(1-p) +binom44p^4
$$



For threshold $p$, equating both, we get:
$$
10p^4-36p^3+48p^2-28p+6 = 0
$$
which reduces to
$$
2(x-1)^3(5x-3) = 0
$$
which gives $p = frac 35$ since $0 lt p lt 1$.






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  • 1




    you have a power of $p$ in your third equation which I am sure is not intentionally ;)
    – Jan
    Aug 21 at 15:42










  • @Jan fixed. Thanks
    – artha
    Aug 21 at 16:15














up vote
1
down vote













Probability of making AT LEAST half shots out of 6 is



$$
binom63p^3(1-p)^3 +binom64p^4(1-p)^2 +binom65p^5(1-p) +binom66p^3
$$



and for making at least 2 out of 4 is



$$
binom42p^2(1-p)^2 +binom43p^3(1-p) +binom44p^4
$$



For threshold $p$, equating both, we get:
$$
10p^4-36p^3+48p^2-28p+6 = 0
$$
which reduces to
$$
2(x-1)^3(5x-3) = 0
$$
which gives $p = frac 35$ since $0 lt p lt 1$.






share|cite|improve this answer


















  • 1




    you have a power of $p$ in your third equation which I am sure is not intentionally ;)
    – Jan
    Aug 21 at 15:42










  • @Jan fixed. Thanks
    – artha
    Aug 21 at 16:15












up vote
1
down vote










up vote
1
down vote









Probability of making AT LEAST half shots out of 6 is



$$
binom63p^3(1-p)^3 +binom64p^4(1-p)^2 +binom65p^5(1-p) +binom66p^3
$$



and for making at least 2 out of 4 is



$$
binom42p^2(1-p)^2 +binom43p^3(1-p) +binom44p^4
$$



For threshold $p$, equating both, we get:
$$
10p^4-36p^3+48p^2-28p+6 = 0
$$
which reduces to
$$
2(x-1)^3(5x-3) = 0
$$
which gives $p = frac 35$ since $0 lt p lt 1$.






share|cite|improve this answer














Probability of making AT LEAST half shots out of 6 is



$$
binom63p^3(1-p)^3 +binom64p^4(1-p)^2 +binom65p^5(1-p) +binom66p^3
$$



and for making at least 2 out of 4 is



$$
binom42p^2(1-p)^2 +binom43p^3(1-p) +binom44p^4
$$



For threshold $p$, equating both, we get:
$$
10p^4-36p^3+48p^2-28p+6 = 0
$$
which reduces to
$$
2(x-1)^3(5x-3) = 0
$$
which gives $p = frac 35$ since $0 lt p lt 1$.







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    you have a power of $p$ in your third equation which I am sure is not intentionally ;)
    – Jan
    Aug 21 at 15:42










  • @Jan fixed. Thanks
    – artha
    Aug 21 at 16:15












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    you have a power of $p$ in your third equation which I am sure is not intentionally ;)
    – Jan
    Aug 21 at 15:42










  • @Jan fixed. Thanks
    – artha
    Aug 21 at 16:15







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you have a power of $p$ in your third equation which I am sure is not intentionally ;)
– Jan
Aug 21 at 15:42




you have a power of $p$ in your third equation which I am sure is not intentionally ;)
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@Jan fixed. Thanks
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@Jan fixed. Thanks
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