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I have to show that $$left|sqrt 2 - frac m nright| ge frac 1 (2sqrt 2 + 1)n^2$$ given $m,n$ integers with $m,n$ greater than or equal to 1. I have shown it for the case where $|sqrt 2 - frac m n | ge 1|$, but I need to show it when $|sqrt 2 - frac mn < 1|$. I am trying to use the minimum of $$n^2left|fracm^2n^2-2right|$$ but I am stuck. Does anybody have any advice?







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    Perhaps an absolute value is intended on the left side?
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  • Thank you. I did intend the absolute value on the left.
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I have to show that $$left|sqrt 2 - frac m nright| ge frac 1 (2sqrt 2 + 1)n^2$$ given $m,n$ integers with $m,n$ greater than or equal to 1. I have shown it for the case where $|sqrt 2 - frac m n | ge 1|$, but I need to show it when $|sqrt 2 - frac mn < 1|$. I am trying to use the minimum of $$n^2left|fracm^2n^2-2right|$$ but I am stuck. Does anybody have any advice?







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    Perhaps an absolute value is intended on the left side?
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  • Thank you. I did intend the absolute value on the left.
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    Sep 24 '15 at 15:15












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I have to show that $$left|sqrt 2 - frac m nright| ge frac 1 (2sqrt 2 + 1)n^2$$ given $m,n$ integers with $m,n$ greater than or equal to 1. I have shown it for the case where $|sqrt 2 - frac m n | ge 1|$, but I need to show it when $|sqrt 2 - frac mn < 1|$. I am trying to use the minimum of $$n^2left|fracm^2n^2-2right|$$ but I am stuck. Does anybody have any advice?







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I have to show that $$left|sqrt 2 - frac m nright| ge frac 1 (2sqrt 2 + 1)n^2$$ given $m,n$ integers with $m,n$ greater than or equal to 1. I have shown it for the case where $|sqrt 2 - frac m n | ge 1|$, but I need to show it when $|sqrt 2 - frac mn < 1|$. I am trying to use the minimum of $$n^2left|fracm^2n^2-2right|$$ but I am stuck. Does anybody have any advice?









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    Perhaps an absolute value is intended on the left side?
    – Ian
    Sep 24 '15 at 15:10











  • Thank you. I did intend the absolute value on the left.
    – eeg710
    Sep 24 '15 at 15:15












  • 1




    Perhaps an absolute value is intended on the left side?
    – Ian
    Sep 24 '15 at 15:10











  • Thank you. I did intend the absolute value on the left.
    – eeg710
    Sep 24 '15 at 15:15







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Perhaps an absolute value is intended on the left side?
– Ian
Sep 24 '15 at 15:10





Perhaps an absolute value is intended on the left side?
– Ian
Sep 24 '15 at 15:10













Thank you. I did intend the absolute value on the left.
– eeg710
Sep 24 '15 at 15:15




Thank you. I did intend the absolute value on the left.
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We have $|m^2-2n^2|ge 1$ (as $m^2-2n^2$ is never zero) so $left|fracm^2n^2-2right|ge frac1n^2$. Now $|sqrt2-frac mn|,|sqrt2+frac mn|ge frac1n^2$. We also have (as $sqrt2-1le frac mn le sqrt2+1$) and by the triangle inequality that $|sqrt2+frac mn|le sqrt2+frac mnle 2sqrt2+1$. Hence
$$|sqrt2-frac mn| ge frac1n^2 frac1ge frac1(2sqrt2+1)n^2
$$
as required.






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    Hint(s): The best rational approximation for $sqrt2$ are given by the convergents of its continued fraction:
    $$ sqrt2=[1;2,2,2,ldots]tag1$$
    If $fracp_nq_n$ and $fracp_n+1q_n+1$ are two consecutive convergents, $sqrt2$ is between them and:
    $$ left|fracp_nq_n-fracp_n+1q_n+1right|=frac1q_nq_n+1.tag2$$
    The claim then follows by studying the rate of growth of Pell numbers.






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    • Thanks, but I'm trying to use a method using the minimum of the expression given second in the question.
      – eeg710
      Sep 24 '15 at 15:18










    • @eeg710: How do you plan to find such a minimum? As I said, the best rational approximations for $sqrt2$ are given by the convergents of the continued fraction.
      – Jack D'Aurizio♦
      Sep 24 '15 at 15:21






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      @eeg710 A minimum over what, exactly? If you take the infimum over all of $mathbbN times mathbbN$ you get zero (the positive rationals are dense in the positive reals). Do you want to take the infimum over $m$ for each fixed $n$? You will find that this infimum oscillates, coming to minima at the values of $n$ corresponding to the convergents of the continued fractions.
      – Ian
      Sep 24 '15 at 15:27











    • Even with the constraint $|sqrt 2 -frac mn| <1$ I would get 0 for the minimum?
      – eeg710
      Sep 24 '15 at 15:44










    • Again, which minimum? If you minimize over both $m$ and $n$, then yes, you will get zero, since otherwise you would have a positive real that could not be approximated by positive rationals. But if you hold either $m$ or $n$ fixed then the infimum over the other one will be some positive number. Since the RHS of your inequality involves $n$, it is natural to try to take the infimum over $m$. This turns out to be hard, which is part of why we developed continued fractions, but at least at first it seems natural.
      – Ian
      Sep 24 '15 at 15:50











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    We have $|m^2-2n^2|ge 1$ (as $m^2-2n^2$ is never zero) so $left|fracm^2n^2-2right|ge frac1n^2$. Now $|sqrt2-frac mn|,|sqrt2+frac mn|ge frac1n^2$. We also have (as $sqrt2-1le frac mn le sqrt2+1$) and by the triangle inequality that $|sqrt2+frac mn|le sqrt2+frac mnle 2sqrt2+1$. Hence
    $$|sqrt2-frac mn| ge frac1n^2 frac1ge frac1(2sqrt2+1)n^2
    $$
    as required.






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      We have $|m^2-2n^2|ge 1$ (as $m^2-2n^2$ is never zero) so $left|fracm^2n^2-2right|ge frac1n^2$. Now $|sqrt2-frac mn|,|sqrt2+frac mn|ge frac1n^2$. We also have (as $sqrt2-1le frac mn le sqrt2+1$) and by the triangle inequality that $|sqrt2+frac mn|le sqrt2+frac mnle 2sqrt2+1$. Hence
      $$|sqrt2-frac mn| ge frac1n^2 frac1ge frac1(2sqrt2+1)n^2
      $$
      as required.






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        We have $|m^2-2n^2|ge 1$ (as $m^2-2n^2$ is never zero) so $left|fracm^2n^2-2right|ge frac1n^2$. Now $|sqrt2-frac mn|,|sqrt2+frac mn|ge frac1n^2$. We also have (as $sqrt2-1le frac mn le sqrt2+1$) and by the triangle inequality that $|sqrt2+frac mn|le sqrt2+frac mnle 2sqrt2+1$. Hence
        $$|sqrt2-frac mn| ge frac1n^2 frac1ge frac1(2sqrt2+1)n^2
        $$
        as required.






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        We have $|m^2-2n^2|ge 1$ (as $m^2-2n^2$ is never zero) so $left|fracm^2n^2-2right|ge frac1n^2$. Now $|sqrt2-frac mn|,|sqrt2+frac mn|ge frac1n^2$. We also have (as $sqrt2-1le frac mn le sqrt2+1$) and by the triangle inequality that $|sqrt2+frac mn|le sqrt2+frac mnle 2sqrt2+1$. Hence
        $$|sqrt2-frac mn| ge frac1n^2 frac1ge frac1(2sqrt2+1)n^2
        $$
        as required.







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            Hint(s): The best rational approximation for $sqrt2$ are given by the convergents of its continued fraction:
            $$ sqrt2=[1;2,2,2,ldots]tag1$$
            If $fracp_nq_n$ and $fracp_n+1q_n+1$ are two consecutive convergents, $sqrt2$ is between them and:
            $$ left|fracp_nq_n-fracp_n+1q_n+1right|=frac1q_nq_n+1.tag2$$
            The claim then follows by studying the rate of growth of Pell numbers.






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            • Thanks, but I'm trying to use a method using the minimum of the expression given second in the question.
              – eeg710
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:18










            • @eeg710: How do you plan to find such a minimum? As I said, the best rational approximations for $sqrt2$ are given by the convergents of the continued fraction.
              – Jack D'Aurizio♦
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:21






            • 1




              @eeg710 A minimum over what, exactly? If you take the infimum over all of $mathbbN times mathbbN$ you get zero (the positive rationals are dense in the positive reals). Do you want to take the infimum over $m$ for each fixed $n$? You will find that this infimum oscillates, coming to minima at the values of $n$ corresponding to the convergents of the continued fractions.
              – Ian
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:27











            • Even with the constraint $|sqrt 2 -frac mn| <1$ I would get 0 for the minimum?
              – eeg710
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:44










            • Again, which minimum? If you minimize over both $m$ and $n$, then yes, you will get zero, since otherwise you would have a positive real that could not be approximated by positive rationals. But if you hold either $m$ or $n$ fixed then the infimum over the other one will be some positive number. Since the RHS of your inequality involves $n$, it is natural to try to take the infimum over $m$. This turns out to be hard, which is part of why we developed continued fractions, but at least at first it seems natural.
              – Ian
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:50















            up vote
            0
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            Hint(s): The best rational approximation for $sqrt2$ are given by the convergents of its continued fraction:
            $$ sqrt2=[1;2,2,2,ldots]tag1$$
            If $fracp_nq_n$ and $fracp_n+1q_n+1$ are two consecutive convergents, $sqrt2$ is between them and:
            $$ left|fracp_nq_n-fracp_n+1q_n+1right|=frac1q_nq_n+1.tag2$$
            The claim then follows by studying the rate of growth of Pell numbers.






            share|cite|improve this answer





















            • Thanks, but I'm trying to use a method using the minimum of the expression given second in the question.
              – eeg710
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:18










            • @eeg710: How do you plan to find such a minimum? As I said, the best rational approximations for $sqrt2$ are given by the convergents of the continued fraction.
              – Jack D'Aurizio♦
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:21






            • 1




              @eeg710 A minimum over what, exactly? If you take the infimum over all of $mathbbN times mathbbN$ you get zero (the positive rationals are dense in the positive reals). Do you want to take the infimum over $m$ for each fixed $n$? You will find that this infimum oscillates, coming to minima at the values of $n$ corresponding to the convergents of the continued fractions.
              – Ian
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:27











            • Even with the constraint $|sqrt 2 -frac mn| <1$ I would get 0 for the minimum?
              – eeg710
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:44










            • Again, which minimum? If you minimize over both $m$ and $n$, then yes, you will get zero, since otherwise you would have a positive real that could not be approximated by positive rationals. But if you hold either $m$ or $n$ fixed then the infimum over the other one will be some positive number. Since the RHS of your inequality involves $n$, it is natural to try to take the infimum over $m$. This turns out to be hard, which is part of why we developed continued fractions, but at least at first it seems natural.
              – Ian
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:50













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            Hint(s): The best rational approximation for $sqrt2$ are given by the convergents of its continued fraction:
            $$ sqrt2=[1;2,2,2,ldots]tag1$$
            If $fracp_nq_n$ and $fracp_n+1q_n+1$ are two consecutive convergents, $sqrt2$ is between them and:
            $$ left|fracp_nq_n-fracp_n+1q_n+1right|=frac1q_nq_n+1.tag2$$
            The claim then follows by studying the rate of growth of Pell numbers.






            share|cite|improve this answer













            Hint(s): The best rational approximation for $sqrt2$ are given by the convergents of its continued fraction:
            $$ sqrt2=[1;2,2,2,ldots]tag1$$
            If $fracp_nq_n$ and $fracp_n+1q_n+1$ are two consecutive convergents, $sqrt2$ is between them and:
            $$ left|fracp_nq_n-fracp_n+1q_n+1right|=frac1q_nq_n+1.tag2$$
            The claim then follows by studying the rate of growth of Pell numbers.







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            • Thanks, but I'm trying to use a method using the minimum of the expression given second in the question.
              – eeg710
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:18










            • @eeg710: How do you plan to find such a minimum? As I said, the best rational approximations for $sqrt2$ are given by the convergents of the continued fraction.
              – Jack D'Aurizio♦
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:21






            • 1




              @eeg710 A minimum over what, exactly? If you take the infimum over all of $mathbbN times mathbbN$ you get zero (the positive rationals are dense in the positive reals). Do you want to take the infimum over $m$ for each fixed $n$? You will find that this infimum oscillates, coming to minima at the values of $n$ corresponding to the convergents of the continued fractions.
              – Ian
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:27











            • Even with the constraint $|sqrt 2 -frac mn| <1$ I would get 0 for the minimum?
              – eeg710
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:44










            • Again, which minimum? If you minimize over both $m$ and $n$, then yes, you will get zero, since otherwise you would have a positive real that could not be approximated by positive rationals. But if you hold either $m$ or $n$ fixed then the infimum over the other one will be some positive number. Since the RHS of your inequality involves $n$, it is natural to try to take the infimum over $m$. This turns out to be hard, which is part of why we developed continued fractions, but at least at first it seems natural.
              – Ian
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:50

















            • Thanks, but I'm trying to use a method using the minimum of the expression given second in the question.
              – eeg710
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:18










            • @eeg710: How do you plan to find such a minimum? As I said, the best rational approximations for $sqrt2$ are given by the convergents of the continued fraction.
              – Jack D'Aurizio♦
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:21






            • 1




              @eeg710 A minimum over what, exactly? If you take the infimum over all of $mathbbN times mathbbN$ you get zero (the positive rationals are dense in the positive reals). Do you want to take the infimum over $m$ for each fixed $n$? You will find that this infimum oscillates, coming to minima at the values of $n$ corresponding to the convergents of the continued fractions.
              – Ian
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:27











            • Even with the constraint $|sqrt 2 -frac mn| <1$ I would get 0 for the minimum?
              – eeg710
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:44










            • Again, which minimum? If you minimize over both $m$ and $n$, then yes, you will get zero, since otherwise you would have a positive real that could not be approximated by positive rationals. But if you hold either $m$ or $n$ fixed then the infimum over the other one will be some positive number. Since the RHS of your inequality involves $n$, it is natural to try to take the infimum over $m$. This turns out to be hard, which is part of why we developed continued fractions, but at least at first it seems natural.
              – Ian
              Sep 24 '15 at 15:50
















            Thanks, but I'm trying to use a method using the minimum of the expression given second in the question.
            – eeg710
            Sep 24 '15 at 15:18




            Thanks, but I'm trying to use a method using the minimum of the expression given second in the question.
            – eeg710
            Sep 24 '15 at 15:18












            @eeg710: How do you plan to find such a minimum? As I said, the best rational approximations for $sqrt2$ are given by the convergents of the continued fraction.
            – Jack D'Aurizio♦
            Sep 24 '15 at 15:21




            @eeg710: How do you plan to find such a minimum? As I said, the best rational approximations for $sqrt2$ are given by the convergents of the continued fraction.
            – Jack D'Aurizio♦
            Sep 24 '15 at 15:21




            1




            1




            @eeg710 A minimum over what, exactly? If you take the infimum over all of $mathbbN times mathbbN$ you get zero (the positive rationals are dense in the positive reals). Do you want to take the infimum over $m$ for each fixed $n$? You will find that this infimum oscillates, coming to minima at the values of $n$ corresponding to the convergents of the continued fractions.
            – Ian
            Sep 24 '15 at 15:27





            @eeg710 A minimum over what, exactly? If you take the infimum over all of $mathbbN times mathbbN$ you get zero (the positive rationals are dense in the positive reals). Do you want to take the infimum over $m$ for each fixed $n$? You will find that this infimum oscillates, coming to minima at the values of $n$ corresponding to the convergents of the continued fractions.
            – Ian
            Sep 24 '15 at 15:27













            Even with the constraint $|sqrt 2 -frac mn| <1$ I would get 0 for the minimum?
            – eeg710
            Sep 24 '15 at 15:44




            Even with the constraint $|sqrt 2 -frac mn| <1$ I would get 0 for the minimum?
            – eeg710
            Sep 24 '15 at 15:44












            Again, which minimum? If you minimize over both $m$ and $n$, then yes, you will get zero, since otherwise you would have a positive real that could not be approximated by positive rationals. But if you hold either $m$ or $n$ fixed then the infimum over the other one will be some positive number. Since the RHS of your inequality involves $n$, it is natural to try to take the infimum over $m$. This turns out to be hard, which is part of why we developed continued fractions, but at least at first it seems natural.
            – Ian
            Sep 24 '15 at 15:50





            Again, which minimum? If you minimize over both $m$ and $n$, then yes, you will get zero, since otherwise you would have a positive real that could not be approximated by positive rationals. But if you hold either $m$ or $n$ fixed then the infimum over the other one will be some positive number. Since the RHS of your inequality involves $n$, it is natural to try to take the infimum over $m$. This turns out to be hard, which is part of why we developed continued fractions, but at least at first it seems natural.
            – Ian
            Sep 24 '15 at 15:50













             

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