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Let v and b be natural numbers satisfying the condition: $1 le v lt fracb2$. Prove that
$$fracv(b-v)v+1 ge fracb-12$$
(remember we need that to be true only for natural $v$ and $b$)
How to prove it?
I started simply by multiplying both sides by $2(v+1)$, which gives a quadratic inequality after simple transformations with regards to $v$:
$$2v^2-(b+1)v+b-1 le 0$$
$$ Delta = left(b-3right)^2$$
$$ sqrtDelta = lvert b - 3 rvert $$
Let's assume $b ge 3$ for a moment. Then we have:
$$v_1 = 1$$
$$v_2 = fracb-12$$
and we get the solution:
$$1 le v le fracb-12$$
Since b is natural, it's the same as:
$$1 le v lt fracb2$$
which is our condition. Of course, we should also consider what happens when $b lt 3$.
Anyway, I kind of think there's got to be a simpler way of proving it, not involving quadratic equations etc., just simple transformations making use of the fact that we want the inequality to be true only for natural v and b. Can someone show me a simpler reasoning leading to a simpler and more elegant proof?
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Let v and b be natural numbers satisfying the condition: $1 le v lt fracb2$. Prove that
$$fracv(b-v)v+1 ge fracb-12$$
(remember we need that to be true only for natural $v$ and $b$)
How to prove it?
I started simply by multiplying both sides by $2(v+1)$, which gives a quadratic inequality after simple transformations with regards to $v$:
$$2v^2-(b+1)v+b-1 le 0$$
$$ Delta = left(b-3right)^2$$
$$ sqrtDelta = lvert b - 3 rvert $$
Let's assume $b ge 3$ for a moment. Then we have:
$$v_1 = 1$$
$$v_2 = fracb-12$$
and we get the solution:
$$1 le v le fracb-12$$
Since b is natural, it's the same as:
$$1 le v lt fracb2$$
which is our condition. Of course, we should also consider what happens when $b lt 3$.
Anyway, I kind of think there's got to be a simpler way of proving it, not involving quadratic equations etc., just simple transformations making use of the fact that we want the inequality to be true only for natural v and b. Can someone show me a simpler reasoning leading to a simpler and more elegant proof?
inequality integral-inequality
You've also gone backwards: you proved $B Rightarrow A$ when you wanted $A Rightarrow B$.
â Randall
Aug 7 at 15:04
You are right! So, anyway, my "proof" is completely incorrect.
â Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:10
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Let v and b be natural numbers satisfying the condition: $1 le v lt fracb2$. Prove that
$$fracv(b-v)v+1 ge fracb-12$$
(remember we need that to be true only for natural $v$ and $b$)
How to prove it?
I started simply by multiplying both sides by $2(v+1)$, which gives a quadratic inequality after simple transformations with regards to $v$:
$$2v^2-(b+1)v+b-1 le 0$$
$$ Delta = left(b-3right)^2$$
$$ sqrtDelta = lvert b - 3 rvert $$
Let's assume $b ge 3$ for a moment. Then we have:
$$v_1 = 1$$
$$v_2 = fracb-12$$
and we get the solution:
$$1 le v le fracb-12$$
Since b is natural, it's the same as:
$$1 le v lt fracb2$$
which is our condition. Of course, we should also consider what happens when $b lt 3$.
Anyway, I kind of think there's got to be a simpler way of proving it, not involving quadratic equations etc., just simple transformations making use of the fact that we want the inequality to be true only for natural v and b. Can someone show me a simpler reasoning leading to a simpler and more elegant proof?
inequality integral-inequality
Let v and b be natural numbers satisfying the condition: $1 le v lt fracb2$. Prove that
$$fracv(b-v)v+1 ge fracb-12$$
(remember we need that to be true only for natural $v$ and $b$)
How to prove it?
I started simply by multiplying both sides by $2(v+1)$, which gives a quadratic inequality after simple transformations with regards to $v$:
$$2v^2-(b+1)v+b-1 le 0$$
$$ Delta = left(b-3right)^2$$
$$ sqrtDelta = lvert b - 3 rvert $$
Let's assume $b ge 3$ for a moment. Then we have:
$$v_1 = 1$$
$$v_2 = fracb-12$$
and we get the solution:
$$1 le v le fracb-12$$
Since b is natural, it's the same as:
$$1 le v lt fracb2$$
which is our condition. Of course, we should also consider what happens when $b lt 3$.
Anyway, I kind of think there's got to be a simpler way of proving it, not involving quadratic equations etc., just simple transformations making use of the fact that we want the inequality to be true only for natural v and b. Can someone show me a simpler reasoning leading to a simpler and more elegant proof?
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asked Aug 7 at 15:01
Robert Piegus
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You've also gone backwards: you proved $B Rightarrow A$ when you wanted $A Rightarrow B$.
â Randall
Aug 7 at 15:04
You are right! So, anyway, my "proof" is completely incorrect.
â Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:10
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You've also gone backwards: you proved $B Rightarrow A$ when you wanted $A Rightarrow B$.
â Randall
Aug 7 at 15:04
You are right! So, anyway, my "proof" is completely incorrect.
â Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:10
You've also gone backwards: you proved $B Rightarrow A$ when you wanted $A Rightarrow B$.
â Randall
Aug 7 at 15:04
You've also gone backwards: you proved $B Rightarrow A$ when you wanted $A Rightarrow B$.
â Randall
Aug 7 at 15:04
You are right! So, anyway, my "proof" is completely incorrect.
â Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:10
You are right! So, anyway, my "proof" is completely incorrect.
â Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:10
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Hint: Write your inequality in the form
$$fracv(b-v)v+1-fracb-12=frac12frac(v-1)(b-1-2v)v+1$$
Got it! Thanks a lot.
â Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:22
Nice, that your Problem is solved now!
â Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Aug 7 at 15:25
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1 Answer
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Hint: Write your inequality in the form
$$fracv(b-v)v+1-fracb-12=frac12frac(v-1)(b-1-2v)v+1$$
Got it! Thanks a lot.
â Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:22
Nice, that your Problem is solved now!
â Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Aug 7 at 15:25
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up vote
1
down vote
Hint: Write your inequality in the form
$$fracv(b-v)v+1-fracb-12=frac12frac(v-1)(b-1-2v)v+1$$
Got it! Thanks a lot.
â Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:22
Nice, that your Problem is solved now!
â Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Aug 7 at 15:25
add a comment |Â
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Hint: Write your inequality in the form
$$fracv(b-v)v+1-fracb-12=frac12frac(v-1)(b-1-2v)v+1$$
Hint: Write your inequality in the form
$$fracv(b-v)v+1-fracb-12=frac12frac(v-1)(b-1-2v)v+1$$
answered Aug 7 at 15:07
Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
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Got it! Thanks a lot.
â Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:22
Nice, that your Problem is solved now!
â Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Aug 7 at 15:25
add a comment |Â
Got it! Thanks a lot.
â Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:22
Nice, that your Problem is solved now!
â Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Aug 7 at 15:25
Got it! Thanks a lot.
â Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:22
Got it! Thanks a lot.
â Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:22
Nice, that your Problem is solved now!
â Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Aug 7 at 15:25
Nice, that your Problem is solved now!
â Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
Aug 7 at 15:25
add a comment |Â
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You've also gone backwards: you proved $B Rightarrow A$ when you wanted $A Rightarrow B$.
â Randall
Aug 7 at 15:04
You are right! So, anyway, my "proof" is completely incorrect.
â Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:10