Inequality in natural numbers

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Let v and b be natural numbers satisfying the condition: $1 le v lt fracb2$. Prove that
$$fracv(b-v)v+1 ge fracb-12$$
(remember we need that to be true only for natural $v$ and $b$)



How to prove it?



I started simply by multiplying both sides by $2(v+1)$, which gives a quadratic inequality after simple transformations with regards to $v$:



$$2v^2-(b+1)v+b-1 le 0$$



$$ Delta = left(b-3right)^2$$



$$ sqrtDelta = lvert b - 3 rvert $$



Let's assume $b ge 3$ for a moment. Then we have:



$$v_1 = 1$$
$$v_2 = fracb-12$$



and we get the solution:



$$1 le v le fracb-12$$



Since b is natural, it's the same as:



$$1 le v lt fracb2$$



which is our condition. Of course, we should also consider what happens when $b lt 3$.



Anyway, I kind of think there's got to be a simpler way of proving it, not involving quadratic equations etc., just simple transformations making use of the fact that we want the inequality to be true only for natural v and b. Can someone show me a simpler reasoning leading to a simpler and more elegant proof?







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  • You've also gone backwards: you proved $B Rightarrow A$ when you wanted $A Rightarrow B$.
    – Randall
    Aug 7 at 15:04











  • You are right! So, anyway, my "proof" is completely incorrect.
    – Robert Piegus
    Aug 7 at 15:10














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Let v and b be natural numbers satisfying the condition: $1 le v lt fracb2$. Prove that
$$fracv(b-v)v+1 ge fracb-12$$
(remember we need that to be true only for natural $v$ and $b$)



How to prove it?



I started simply by multiplying both sides by $2(v+1)$, which gives a quadratic inequality after simple transformations with regards to $v$:



$$2v^2-(b+1)v+b-1 le 0$$



$$ Delta = left(b-3right)^2$$



$$ sqrtDelta = lvert b - 3 rvert $$



Let's assume $b ge 3$ for a moment. Then we have:



$$v_1 = 1$$
$$v_2 = fracb-12$$



and we get the solution:



$$1 le v le fracb-12$$



Since b is natural, it's the same as:



$$1 le v lt fracb2$$



which is our condition. Of course, we should also consider what happens when $b lt 3$.



Anyway, I kind of think there's got to be a simpler way of proving it, not involving quadratic equations etc., just simple transformations making use of the fact that we want the inequality to be true only for natural v and b. Can someone show me a simpler reasoning leading to a simpler and more elegant proof?







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  • You've also gone backwards: you proved $B Rightarrow A$ when you wanted $A Rightarrow B$.
    – Randall
    Aug 7 at 15:04











  • You are right! So, anyway, my "proof" is completely incorrect.
    – Robert Piegus
    Aug 7 at 15:10












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Let v and b be natural numbers satisfying the condition: $1 le v lt fracb2$. Prove that
$$fracv(b-v)v+1 ge fracb-12$$
(remember we need that to be true only for natural $v$ and $b$)



How to prove it?



I started simply by multiplying both sides by $2(v+1)$, which gives a quadratic inequality after simple transformations with regards to $v$:



$$2v^2-(b+1)v+b-1 le 0$$



$$ Delta = left(b-3right)^2$$



$$ sqrtDelta = lvert b - 3 rvert $$



Let's assume $b ge 3$ for a moment. Then we have:



$$v_1 = 1$$
$$v_2 = fracb-12$$



and we get the solution:



$$1 le v le fracb-12$$



Since b is natural, it's the same as:



$$1 le v lt fracb2$$



which is our condition. Of course, we should also consider what happens when $b lt 3$.



Anyway, I kind of think there's got to be a simpler way of proving it, not involving quadratic equations etc., just simple transformations making use of the fact that we want the inequality to be true only for natural v and b. Can someone show me a simpler reasoning leading to a simpler and more elegant proof?







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Let v and b be natural numbers satisfying the condition: $1 le v lt fracb2$. Prove that
$$fracv(b-v)v+1 ge fracb-12$$
(remember we need that to be true only for natural $v$ and $b$)



How to prove it?



I started simply by multiplying both sides by $2(v+1)$, which gives a quadratic inequality after simple transformations with regards to $v$:



$$2v^2-(b+1)v+b-1 le 0$$



$$ Delta = left(b-3right)^2$$



$$ sqrtDelta = lvert b - 3 rvert $$



Let's assume $b ge 3$ for a moment. Then we have:



$$v_1 = 1$$
$$v_2 = fracb-12$$



and we get the solution:



$$1 le v le fracb-12$$



Since b is natural, it's the same as:



$$1 le v lt fracb2$$



which is our condition. Of course, we should also consider what happens when $b lt 3$.



Anyway, I kind of think there's got to be a simpler way of proving it, not involving quadratic equations etc., just simple transformations making use of the fact that we want the inequality to be true only for natural v and b. Can someone show me a simpler reasoning leading to a simpler and more elegant proof?









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asked Aug 7 at 15:01









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  • You've also gone backwards: you proved $B Rightarrow A$ when you wanted $A Rightarrow B$.
    – Randall
    Aug 7 at 15:04











  • You are right! So, anyway, my "proof" is completely incorrect.
    – Robert Piegus
    Aug 7 at 15:10
















  • You've also gone backwards: you proved $B Rightarrow A$ when you wanted $A Rightarrow B$.
    – Randall
    Aug 7 at 15:04











  • You are right! So, anyway, my "proof" is completely incorrect.
    – Robert Piegus
    Aug 7 at 15:10















You've also gone backwards: you proved $B Rightarrow A$ when you wanted $A Rightarrow B$.
– Randall
Aug 7 at 15:04





You've also gone backwards: you proved $B Rightarrow A$ when you wanted $A Rightarrow B$.
– Randall
Aug 7 at 15:04













You are right! So, anyway, my "proof" is completely incorrect.
– Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:10




You are right! So, anyway, my "proof" is completely incorrect.
– Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:10










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Hint: Write your inequality in the form



$$fracv(b-v)v+1-fracb-12=frac12frac(v-1)(b-1-2v)v+1$$






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  • Got it! Thanks a lot.
    – Robert Piegus
    Aug 7 at 15:22










  • Nice, that your Problem is solved now!
    – Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
    Aug 7 at 15:25










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Hint: Write your inequality in the form



$$fracv(b-v)v+1-fracb-12=frac12frac(v-1)(b-1-2v)v+1$$






share|cite|improve this answer





















  • Got it! Thanks a lot.
    – Robert Piegus
    Aug 7 at 15:22










  • Nice, that your Problem is solved now!
    – Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
    Aug 7 at 15:25














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1
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Hint: Write your inequality in the form



$$fracv(b-v)v+1-fracb-12=frac12frac(v-1)(b-1-2v)v+1$$






share|cite|improve this answer





















  • Got it! Thanks a lot.
    – Robert Piegus
    Aug 7 at 15:22










  • Nice, that your Problem is solved now!
    – Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
    Aug 7 at 15:25












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Hint: Write your inequality in the form



$$fracv(b-v)v+1-fracb-12=frac12frac(v-1)(b-1-2v)v+1$$






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Hint: Write your inequality in the form



$$fracv(b-v)v+1-fracb-12=frac12frac(v-1)(b-1-2v)v+1$$







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answered Aug 7 at 15:07









Dr. Sonnhard Graubner

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  • Got it! Thanks a lot.
    – Robert Piegus
    Aug 7 at 15:22










  • Nice, that your Problem is solved now!
    – Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
    Aug 7 at 15:25
















  • Got it! Thanks a lot.
    – Robert Piegus
    Aug 7 at 15:22










  • Nice, that your Problem is solved now!
    – Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
    Aug 7 at 15:25















Got it! Thanks a lot.
– Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:22




Got it! Thanks a lot.
– Robert Piegus
Aug 7 at 15:22












Nice, that your Problem is solved now!
– Dr. Sonnhard Graubner
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