Area of Cardioid $r=1+sin(theta)$ Using Green's Theorem

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Find the area enclosed by $r=1+sin theta$ using Green's theorem.




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$gamma(t)=(t,1+sin t)$



$gamma'(t)=(1,cos t)$



Then $frac12int_0^2pi(-1-sin t+tcos t)dt=-pi$



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  • You got a negative number for an integral that was supposed to compute area. Smells off a bit, don't you think? Also, can you point out where you used Green's Theorem?
    – Matthew Leingang
    Aug 7 at 18:33











  • @MatthewLeingang I used $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=iint ds$
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  • Isn't $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=2iint ds?$ I think you just want $xdy$
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Find the area enclosed by $r=1+sin theta$ using Green's theorem.




What I have is



$gamma(t)=(t,1+sin t)$



$gamma'(t)=(1,cos t)$



Then $frac12int_0^2pi(-1-sin t+tcos t)dt=-pi$



Is it correct?







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  • You got a negative number for an integral that was supposed to compute area. Smells off a bit, don't you think? Also, can you point out where you used Green's Theorem?
    – Matthew Leingang
    Aug 7 at 18:33











  • @MatthewLeingang I used $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=iint ds$
    – newhere
    Aug 7 at 19:08










  • Isn't $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=2iint ds?$ I think you just want $xdy$
    – saulspatz
    Aug 7 at 19:27












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2
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Find the area enclosed by $r=1+sin theta$ using Green's theorem.




What I have is



$gamma(t)=(t,1+sin t)$



$gamma'(t)=(1,cos t)$



Then $frac12int_0^2pi(-1-sin t+tcos t)dt=-pi$



Is it correct?







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Find the area enclosed by $r=1+sin theta$ using Green's theorem.




What I have is



$gamma(t)=(t,1+sin t)$



$gamma'(t)=(1,cos t)$



Then $frac12int_0^2pi(-1-sin t+tcos t)dt=-pi$



Is it correct?









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  • You got a negative number for an integral that was supposed to compute area. Smells off a bit, don't you think? Also, can you point out where you used Green's Theorem?
    – Matthew Leingang
    Aug 7 at 18:33











  • @MatthewLeingang I used $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=iint ds$
    – newhere
    Aug 7 at 19:08










  • Isn't $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=2iint ds?$ I think you just want $xdy$
    – saulspatz
    Aug 7 at 19:27
















  • You got a negative number for an integral that was supposed to compute area. Smells off a bit, don't you think? Also, can you point out where you used Green's Theorem?
    – Matthew Leingang
    Aug 7 at 18:33











  • @MatthewLeingang I used $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=iint ds$
    – newhere
    Aug 7 at 19:08










  • Isn't $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=2iint ds?$ I think you just want $xdy$
    – saulspatz
    Aug 7 at 19:27















You got a negative number for an integral that was supposed to compute area. Smells off a bit, don't you think? Also, can you point out where you used Green's Theorem?
– Matthew Leingang
Aug 7 at 18:33





You got a negative number for an integral that was supposed to compute area. Smells off a bit, don't you think? Also, can you point out where you used Green's Theorem?
– Matthew Leingang
Aug 7 at 18:33













@MatthewLeingang I used $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=iint ds$
– newhere
Aug 7 at 19:08




@MatthewLeingang I used $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=iint ds$
– newhere
Aug 7 at 19:08












Isn't $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=2iint ds?$ I think you just want $xdy$
– saulspatz
Aug 7 at 19:27




Isn't $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=2iint ds?$ I think you just want $xdy$
– saulspatz
Aug 7 at 19:27










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The form of Green's theorem that you used:
$$
A(D) = iint_D dx,dy = frac12oint_partial D (x,dy - y,dx)
$$
applies when $x$ and $y$ are cartesian coordinates. Your expression $gamma(t) = (t,1+sin t)$ expresses the curve in polar coordinates. So you need to either state Green's theorem in polar coordinates, or express $gamma$ in cartesian coordinates.



Let's do the latter. The change of variables is $x = rcostheta$, $y = rsintheta$. So use
$$
gamma(t) = ((1+sin t)cos t,(1+sin t)sin t)
$$



As for the former, you can compute
beginalign*
dx &= costheta ,dr - r sintheta ,dtheta \
dy &= sintheta ,dr + r costheta ,dtheta
endalign*
Then through a little exterior algebra, we get
$$
dx ,dy = r,dr,dtheta
$$
and
$$
x,dy - y,dx = r^2,dtheta
$$
So Green's theorem tells us
$$
A(D) = int_D r,dr,dtheta = frac12oint_partial D r^2,dtheta
$$
I think in many undergraduate multivariable calculus courses this identity isn't derived from Green's theorem, but it can be. In any case, if $D$ is the region enclosed by the cardioid $r = 1 + sintheta$, then
$$
A(D) = frac12int_0^2pi(1+sintheta)^2,dtheta
$$






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While I think Matthew Leingang work is more elegant and more general. Here is a slightly different approach.



Green's Theorem:
$iint (frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) dx dy = oint P dx + Q dy$



Choose $P, Q$ such that $(frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) = 1.$ We have a wide range of options here. The point is to choose the easiest to work with. e.g. Let $P,Q = 0,x$



$r = 1 + sin theta\
x = rcos theta = (1+sintheta)costheta\
dx = -sintheta + cos^2theta - sin^2theta dtheta\
y = rsin theta = (1+sintheta)sintheta\
dy = costheta + 2sinthetacostheta dtheta$



$oint x dy = int_0^2pi (costheta + frac 12 sin 2theta)(costheta + sin 2theta) dtheta = frac 3pi2$






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    The form of Green's theorem that you used:
    $$
    A(D) = iint_D dx,dy = frac12oint_partial D (x,dy - y,dx)
    $$
    applies when $x$ and $y$ are cartesian coordinates. Your expression $gamma(t) = (t,1+sin t)$ expresses the curve in polar coordinates. So you need to either state Green's theorem in polar coordinates, or express $gamma$ in cartesian coordinates.



    Let's do the latter. The change of variables is $x = rcostheta$, $y = rsintheta$. So use
    $$
    gamma(t) = ((1+sin t)cos t,(1+sin t)sin t)
    $$



    As for the former, you can compute
    beginalign*
    dx &= costheta ,dr - r sintheta ,dtheta \
    dy &= sintheta ,dr + r costheta ,dtheta
    endalign*
    Then through a little exterior algebra, we get
    $$
    dx ,dy = r,dr,dtheta
    $$
    and
    $$
    x,dy - y,dx = r^2,dtheta
    $$
    So Green's theorem tells us
    $$
    A(D) = int_D r,dr,dtheta = frac12oint_partial D r^2,dtheta
    $$
    I think in many undergraduate multivariable calculus courses this identity isn't derived from Green's theorem, but it can be. In any case, if $D$ is the region enclosed by the cardioid $r = 1 + sintheta$, then
    $$
    A(D) = frac12int_0^2pi(1+sintheta)^2,dtheta
    $$






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    • I was just in the middle of typing a comment about this.
      – saulspatz
      Aug 7 at 19:40














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    The form of Green's theorem that you used:
    $$
    A(D) = iint_D dx,dy = frac12oint_partial D (x,dy - y,dx)
    $$
    applies when $x$ and $y$ are cartesian coordinates. Your expression $gamma(t) = (t,1+sin t)$ expresses the curve in polar coordinates. So you need to either state Green's theorem in polar coordinates, or express $gamma$ in cartesian coordinates.



    Let's do the latter. The change of variables is $x = rcostheta$, $y = rsintheta$. So use
    $$
    gamma(t) = ((1+sin t)cos t,(1+sin t)sin t)
    $$



    As for the former, you can compute
    beginalign*
    dx &= costheta ,dr - r sintheta ,dtheta \
    dy &= sintheta ,dr + r costheta ,dtheta
    endalign*
    Then through a little exterior algebra, we get
    $$
    dx ,dy = r,dr,dtheta
    $$
    and
    $$
    x,dy - y,dx = r^2,dtheta
    $$
    So Green's theorem tells us
    $$
    A(D) = int_D r,dr,dtheta = frac12oint_partial D r^2,dtheta
    $$
    I think in many undergraduate multivariable calculus courses this identity isn't derived from Green's theorem, but it can be. In any case, if $D$ is the region enclosed by the cardioid $r = 1 + sintheta$, then
    $$
    A(D) = frac12int_0^2pi(1+sintheta)^2,dtheta
    $$






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      – saulspatz
      Aug 7 at 19:40












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    The form of Green's theorem that you used:
    $$
    A(D) = iint_D dx,dy = frac12oint_partial D (x,dy - y,dx)
    $$
    applies when $x$ and $y$ are cartesian coordinates. Your expression $gamma(t) = (t,1+sin t)$ expresses the curve in polar coordinates. So you need to either state Green's theorem in polar coordinates, or express $gamma$ in cartesian coordinates.



    Let's do the latter. The change of variables is $x = rcostheta$, $y = rsintheta$. So use
    $$
    gamma(t) = ((1+sin t)cos t,(1+sin t)sin t)
    $$



    As for the former, you can compute
    beginalign*
    dx &= costheta ,dr - r sintheta ,dtheta \
    dy &= sintheta ,dr + r costheta ,dtheta
    endalign*
    Then through a little exterior algebra, we get
    $$
    dx ,dy = r,dr,dtheta
    $$
    and
    $$
    x,dy - y,dx = r^2,dtheta
    $$
    So Green's theorem tells us
    $$
    A(D) = int_D r,dr,dtheta = frac12oint_partial D r^2,dtheta
    $$
    I think in many undergraduate multivariable calculus courses this identity isn't derived from Green's theorem, but it can be. In any case, if $D$ is the region enclosed by the cardioid $r = 1 + sintheta$, then
    $$
    A(D) = frac12int_0^2pi(1+sintheta)^2,dtheta
    $$






    share|cite|improve this answer















    The form of Green's theorem that you used:
    $$
    A(D) = iint_D dx,dy = frac12oint_partial D (x,dy - y,dx)
    $$
    applies when $x$ and $y$ are cartesian coordinates. Your expression $gamma(t) = (t,1+sin t)$ expresses the curve in polar coordinates. So you need to either state Green's theorem in polar coordinates, or express $gamma$ in cartesian coordinates.



    Let's do the latter. The change of variables is $x = rcostheta$, $y = rsintheta$. So use
    $$
    gamma(t) = ((1+sin t)cos t,(1+sin t)sin t)
    $$



    As for the former, you can compute
    beginalign*
    dx &= costheta ,dr - r sintheta ,dtheta \
    dy &= sintheta ,dr + r costheta ,dtheta
    endalign*
    Then through a little exterior algebra, we get
    $$
    dx ,dy = r,dr,dtheta
    $$
    and
    $$
    x,dy - y,dx = r^2,dtheta
    $$
    So Green's theorem tells us
    $$
    A(D) = int_D r,dr,dtheta = frac12oint_partial D r^2,dtheta
    $$
    I think in many undergraduate multivariable calculus courses this identity isn't derived from Green's theorem, but it can be. In any case, if $D$ is the region enclosed by the cardioid $r = 1 + sintheta$, then
    $$
    A(D) = frac12int_0^2pi(1+sintheta)^2,dtheta
    $$







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    • I was just in the middle of typing a comment about this.
      – saulspatz
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    • I was just in the middle of typing a comment about this.
      – saulspatz
      Aug 7 at 19:40















    I was just in the middle of typing a comment about this.
    – saulspatz
    Aug 7 at 19:40




    I was just in the middle of typing a comment about this.
    – saulspatz
    Aug 7 at 19:40










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    While I think Matthew Leingang work is more elegant and more general. Here is a slightly different approach.



    Green's Theorem:
    $iint (frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) dx dy = oint P dx + Q dy$



    Choose $P, Q$ such that $(frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) = 1.$ We have a wide range of options here. The point is to choose the easiest to work with. e.g. Let $P,Q = 0,x$



    $r = 1 + sin theta\
    x = rcos theta = (1+sintheta)costheta\
    dx = -sintheta + cos^2theta - sin^2theta dtheta\
    y = rsin theta = (1+sintheta)sintheta\
    dy = costheta + 2sinthetacostheta dtheta$



    $oint x dy = int_0^2pi (costheta + frac 12 sin 2theta)(costheta + sin 2theta) dtheta = frac 3pi2$






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      While I think Matthew Leingang work is more elegant and more general. Here is a slightly different approach.



      Green's Theorem:
      $iint (frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) dx dy = oint P dx + Q dy$



      Choose $P, Q$ such that $(frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) = 1.$ We have a wide range of options here. The point is to choose the easiest to work with. e.g. Let $P,Q = 0,x$



      $r = 1 + sin theta\
      x = rcos theta = (1+sintheta)costheta\
      dx = -sintheta + cos^2theta - sin^2theta dtheta\
      y = rsin theta = (1+sintheta)sintheta\
      dy = costheta + 2sinthetacostheta dtheta$



      $oint x dy = int_0^2pi (costheta + frac 12 sin 2theta)(costheta + sin 2theta) dtheta = frac 3pi2$






      share|cite|improve this answer























        up vote
        1
        down vote










        up vote
        1
        down vote









        While I think Matthew Leingang work is more elegant and more general. Here is a slightly different approach.



        Green's Theorem:
        $iint (frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) dx dy = oint P dx + Q dy$



        Choose $P, Q$ such that $(frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) = 1.$ We have a wide range of options here. The point is to choose the easiest to work with. e.g. Let $P,Q = 0,x$



        $r = 1 + sin theta\
        x = rcos theta = (1+sintheta)costheta\
        dx = -sintheta + cos^2theta - sin^2theta dtheta\
        y = rsin theta = (1+sintheta)sintheta\
        dy = costheta + 2sinthetacostheta dtheta$



        $oint x dy = int_0^2pi (costheta + frac 12 sin 2theta)(costheta + sin 2theta) dtheta = frac 3pi2$






        share|cite|improve this answer













        While I think Matthew Leingang work is more elegant and more general. Here is a slightly different approach.



        Green's Theorem:
        $iint (frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) dx dy = oint P dx + Q dy$



        Choose $P, Q$ such that $(frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) = 1.$ We have a wide range of options here. The point is to choose the easiest to work with. e.g. Let $P,Q = 0,x$



        $r = 1 + sin theta\
        x = rcos theta = (1+sintheta)costheta\
        dx = -sintheta + cos^2theta - sin^2theta dtheta\
        y = rsin theta = (1+sintheta)sintheta\
        dy = costheta + 2sinthetacostheta dtheta$



        $oint x dy = int_0^2pi (costheta + frac 12 sin 2theta)(costheta + sin 2theta) dtheta = frac 3pi2$







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