Area of Cardioid $r=1+sin(theta)$ Using Green's Theorem
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Find the area enclosed by $r=1+sin theta$ using Green's theorem.
What I have is
$gamma(t)=(t,1+sin t)$
$gamma'(t)=(1,cos t)$
Then $frac12int_0^2pi(-1-sin t+tcos t)dt=-pi$
Is it correct?
calculus multivariable-calculus
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Find the area enclosed by $r=1+sin theta$ using Green's theorem.
What I have is
$gamma(t)=(t,1+sin t)$
$gamma'(t)=(1,cos t)$
Then $frac12int_0^2pi(-1-sin t+tcos t)dt=-pi$
Is it correct?
calculus multivariable-calculus
You got a negative number for an integral that was supposed to compute area. Smells off a bit, don't you think? Also, can you point out where you used Green's Theorem?
â Matthew Leingang
Aug 7 at 18:33
@MatthewLeingang I used $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=iint ds$
â newhere
Aug 7 at 19:08
Isn't $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=2iint ds?$ I think you just want $xdy$
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Find the area enclosed by $r=1+sin theta$ using Green's theorem.
What I have is
$gamma(t)=(t,1+sin t)$
$gamma'(t)=(1,cos t)$
Then $frac12int_0^2pi(-1-sin t+tcos t)dt=-pi$
Is it correct?
calculus multivariable-calculus
Find the area enclosed by $r=1+sin theta$ using Green's theorem.
What I have is
$gamma(t)=(t,1+sin t)$
$gamma'(t)=(1,cos t)$
Then $frac12int_0^2pi(-1-sin t+tcos t)dt=-pi$
Is it correct?
calculus multivariable-calculus
edited Aug 7 at 19:08
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You got a negative number for an integral that was supposed to compute area. Smells off a bit, don't you think? Also, can you point out where you used Green's Theorem?
â Matthew Leingang
Aug 7 at 18:33
@MatthewLeingang I used $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=iint ds$
â newhere
Aug 7 at 19:08
Isn't $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=2iint ds?$ I think you just want $xdy$
â saulspatz
Aug 7 at 19:27
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You got a negative number for an integral that was supposed to compute area. Smells off a bit, don't you think? Also, can you point out where you used Green's Theorem?
â Matthew Leingang
Aug 7 at 18:33
@MatthewLeingang I used $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=iint ds$
â newhere
Aug 7 at 19:08
Isn't $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=2iint ds?$ I think you just want $xdy$
â saulspatz
Aug 7 at 19:27
You got a negative number for an integral that was supposed to compute area. Smells off a bit, don't you think? Also, can you point out where you used Green's Theorem?
â Matthew Leingang
Aug 7 at 18:33
You got a negative number for an integral that was supposed to compute area. Smells off a bit, don't you think? Also, can you point out where you used Green's Theorem?
â Matthew Leingang
Aug 7 at 18:33
@MatthewLeingang I used $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=iint ds$
â newhere
Aug 7 at 19:08
@MatthewLeingang I used $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=iint ds$
â newhere
Aug 7 at 19:08
Isn't $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=2iint ds?$ I think you just want $xdy$
â saulspatz
Aug 7 at 19:27
Isn't $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=2iint ds?$ I think you just want $xdy$
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Aug 7 at 19:27
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The form of Green's theorem that you used:
$$
A(D) = iint_D dx,dy = frac12oint_partial D (x,dy - y,dx)
$$
applies when $x$ and $y$ are cartesian coordinates. Your expression $gamma(t) = (t,1+sin t)$ expresses the curve in polar coordinates. So you need to either state Green's theorem in polar coordinates, or express $gamma$ in cartesian coordinates.
Let's do the latter. The change of variables is $x = rcostheta$, $y = rsintheta$. So use
$$
gamma(t) = ((1+sin t)cos t,(1+sin t)sin t)
$$
As for the former, you can compute
beginalign*
dx &= costheta ,dr - r sintheta ,dtheta \
dy &= sintheta ,dr + r costheta ,dtheta
endalign*
Then through a little exterior algebra, we get
$$
dx ,dy = r,dr,dtheta
$$
and
$$
x,dy - y,dx = r^2,dtheta
$$
So Green's theorem tells us
$$
A(D) = int_D r,dr,dtheta = frac12oint_partial D r^2,dtheta
$$
I think in many undergraduate multivariable calculus courses this identity isn't derived from Green's theorem, but it can be. In any case, if $D$ is the region enclosed by the cardioid $r = 1 + sintheta$, then
$$
A(D) = frac12int_0^2pi(1+sintheta)^2,dtheta
$$
I was just in the middle of typing a comment about this.
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Aug 7 at 19:40
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While I think Matthew Leingang work is more elegant and more general. Here is a slightly different approach.
Green's Theorem:
$iint (frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) dx dy = oint P dx + Q dy$
Choose $P, Q$ such that $(frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) = 1.$ We have a wide range of options here. The point is to choose the easiest to work with. e.g. Let $P,Q = 0,x$
$r = 1 + sin theta\
x = rcos theta = (1+sintheta)costheta\
dx = -sintheta + cos^2theta - sin^2theta dtheta\
y = rsin theta = (1+sintheta)sintheta\
dy = costheta + 2sinthetacostheta dtheta$
$oint x dy = int_0^2pi (costheta + frac 12 sin 2theta)(costheta + sin 2theta) dtheta = frac 3pi2$
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2 Answers
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active
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active
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The form of Green's theorem that you used:
$$
A(D) = iint_D dx,dy = frac12oint_partial D (x,dy - y,dx)
$$
applies when $x$ and $y$ are cartesian coordinates. Your expression $gamma(t) = (t,1+sin t)$ expresses the curve in polar coordinates. So you need to either state Green's theorem in polar coordinates, or express $gamma$ in cartesian coordinates.
Let's do the latter. The change of variables is $x = rcostheta$, $y = rsintheta$. So use
$$
gamma(t) = ((1+sin t)cos t,(1+sin t)sin t)
$$
As for the former, you can compute
beginalign*
dx &= costheta ,dr - r sintheta ,dtheta \
dy &= sintheta ,dr + r costheta ,dtheta
endalign*
Then through a little exterior algebra, we get
$$
dx ,dy = r,dr,dtheta
$$
and
$$
x,dy - y,dx = r^2,dtheta
$$
So Green's theorem tells us
$$
A(D) = int_D r,dr,dtheta = frac12oint_partial D r^2,dtheta
$$
I think in many undergraduate multivariable calculus courses this identity isn't derived from Green's theorem, but it can be. In any case, if $D$ is the region enclosed by the cardioid $r = 1 + sintheta$, then
$$
A(D) = frac12int_0^2pi(1+sintheta)^2,dtheta
$$
I was just in the middle of typing a comment about this.
â saulspatz
Aug 7 at 19:40
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up vote
2
down vote
accepted
The form of Green's theorem that you used:
$$
A(D) = iint_D dx,dy = frac12oint_partial D (x,dy - y,dx)
$$
applies when $x$ and $y$ are cartesian coordinates. Your expression $gamma(t) = (t,1+sin t)$ expresses the curve in polar coordinates. So you need to either state Green's theorem in polar coordinates, or express $gamma$ in cartesian coordinates.
Let's do the latter. The change of variables is $x = rcostheta$, $y = rsintheta$. So use
$$
gamma(t) = ((1+sin t)cos t,(1+sin t)sin t)
$$
As for the former, you can compute
beginalign*
dx &= costheta ,dr - r sintheta ,dtheta \
dy &= sintheta ,dr + r costheta ,dtheta
endalign*
Then through a little exterior algebra, we get
$$
dx ,dy = r,dr,dtheta
$$
and
$$
x,dy - y,dx = r^2,dtheta
$$
So Green's theorem tells us
$$
A(D) = int_D r,dr,dtheta = frac12oint_partial D r^2,dtheta
$$
I think in many undergraduate multivariable calculus courses this identity isn't derived from Green's theorem, but it can be. In any case, if $D$ is the region enclosed by the cardioid $r = 1 + sintheta$, then
$$
A(D) = frac12int_0^2pi(1+sintheta)^2,dtheta
$$
I was just in the middle of typing a comment about this.
â saulspatz
Aug 7 at 19:40
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up vote
2
down vote
accepted
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
The form of Green's theorem that you used:
$$
A(D) = iint_D dx,dy = frac12oint_partial D (x,dy - y,dx)
$$
applies when $x$ and $y$ are cartesian coordinates. Your expression $gamma(t) = (t,1+sin t)$ expresses the curve in polar coordinates. So you need to either state Green's theorem in polar coordinates, or express $gamma$ in cartesian coordinates.
Let's do the latter. The change of variables is $x = rcostheta$, $y = rsintheta$. So use
$$
gamma(t) = ((1+sin t)cos t,(1+sin t)sin t)
$$
As for the former, you can compute
beginalign*
dx &= costheta ,dr - r sintheta ,dtheta \
dy &= sintheta ,dr + r costheta ,dtheta
endalign*
Then through a little exterior algebra, we get
$$
dx ,dy = r,dr,dtheta
$$
and
$$
x,dy - y,dx = r^2,dtheta
$$
So Green's theorem tells us
$$
A(D) = int_D r,dr,dtheta = frac12oint_partial D r^2,dtheta
$$
I think in many undergraduate multivariable calculus courses this identity isn't derived from Green's theorem, but it can be. In any case, if $D$ is the region enclosed by the cardioid $r = 1 + sintheta$, then
$$
A(D) = frac12int_0^2pi(1+sintheta)^2,dtheta
$$
The form of Green's theorem that you used:
$$
A(D) = iint_D dx,dy = frac12oint_partial D (x,dy - y,dx)
$$
applies when $x$ and $y$ are cartesian coordinates. Your expression $gamma(t) = (t,1+sin t)$ expresses the curve in polar coordinates. So you need to either state Green's theorem in polar coordinates, or express $gamma$ in cartesian coordinates.
Let's do the latter. The change of variables is $x = rcostheta$, $y = rsintheta$. So use
$$
gamma(t) = ((1+sin t)cos t,(1+sin t)sin t)
$$
As for the former, you can compute
beginalign*
dx &= costheta ,dr - r sintheta ,dtheta \
dy &= sintheta ,dr + r costheta ,dtheta
endalign*
Then through a little exterior algebra, we get
$$
dx ,dy = r,dr,dtheta
$$
and
$$
x,dy - y,dx = r^2,dtheta
$$
So Green's theorem tells us
$$
A(D) = int_D r,dr,dtheta = frac12oint_partial D r^2,dtheta
$$
I think in many undergraduate multivariable calculus courses this identity isn't derived from Green's theorem, but it can be. In any case, if $D$ is the region enclosed by the cardioid $r = 1 + sintheta$, then
$$
A(D) = frac12int_0^2pi(1+sintheta)^2,dtheta
$$
edited Aug 7 at 19:51
answered Aug 7 at 19:33
Matthew Leingang
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I was just in the middle of typing a comment about this.
â saulspatz
Aug 7 at 19:40
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I was just in the middle of typing a comment about this.
â saulspatz
Aug 7 at 19:40
I was just in the middle of typing a comment about this.
â saulspatz
Aug 7 at 19:40
I was just in the middle of typing a comment about this.
â saulspatz
Aug 7 at 19:40
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up vote
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While I think Matthew Leingang work is more elegant and more general. Here is a slightly different approach.
Green's Theorem:
$iint (frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) dx dy = oint P dx + Q dy$
Choose $P, Q$ such that $(frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) = 1.$ We have a wide range of options here. The point is to choose the easiest to work with. e.g. Let $P,Q = 0,x$
$r = 1 + sin theta\
x = rcos theta = (1+sintheta)costheta\
dx = -sintheta + cos^2theta - sin^2theta dtheta\
y = rsin theta = (1+sintheta)sintheta\
dy = costheta + 2sinthetacostheta dtheta$
$oint x dy = int_0^2pi (costheta + frac 12 sin 2theta)(costheta + sin 2theta) dtheta = frac 3pi2$
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
While I think Matthew Leingang work is more elegant and more general. Here is a slightly different approach.
Green's Theorem:
$iint (frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) dx dy = oint P dx + Q dy$
Choose $P, Q$ such that $(frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) = 1.$ We have a wide range of options here. The point is to choose the easiest to work with. e.g. Let $P,Q = 0,x$
$r = 1 + sin theta\
x = rcos theta = (1+sintheta)costheta\
dx = -sintheta + cos^2theta - sin^2theta dtheta\
y = rsin theta = (1+sintheta)sintheta\
dy = costheta + 2sinthetacostheta dtheta$
$oint x dy = int_0^2pi (costheta + frac 12 sin 2theta)(costheta + sin 2theta) dtheta = frac 3pi2$
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
While I think Matthew Leingang work is more elegant and more general. Here is a slightly different approach.
Green's Theorem:
$iint (frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) dx dy = oint P dx + Q dy$
Choose $P, Q$ such that $(frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) = 1.$ We have a wide range of options here. The point is to choose the easiest to work with. e.g. Let $P,Q = 0,x$
$r = 1 + sin theta\
x = rcos theta = (1+sintheta)costheta\
dx = -sintheta + cos^2theta - sin^2theta dtheta\
y = rsin theta = (1+sintheta)sintheta\
dy = costheta + 2sinthetacostheta dtheta$
$oint x dy = int_0^2pi (costheta + frac 12 sin 2theta)(costheta + sin 2theta) dtheta = frac 3pi2$
While I think Matthew Leingang work is more elegant and more general. Here is a slightly different approach.
Green's Theorem:
$iint (frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) dx dy = oint P dx + Q dy$
Choose $P, Q$ such that $(frac partial Qpartial x - frac partial Ppartial y) = 1.$ We have a wide range of options here. The point is to choose the easiest to work with. e.g. Let $P,Q = 0,x$
$r = 1 + sin theta\
x = rcos theta = (1+sintheta)costheta\
dx = -sintheta + cos^2theta - sin^2theta dtheta\
y = rsin theta = (1+sintheta)sintheta\
dy = costheta + 2sinthetacostheta dtheta$
$oint x dy = int_0^2pi (costheta + frac 12 sin 2theta)(costheta + sin 2theta) dtheta = frac 3pi2$
answered Aug 7 at 20:17
Doug M
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You got a negative number for an integral that was supposed to compute area. Smells off a bit, don't you think? Also, can you point out where you used Green's Theorem?
â Matthew Leingang
Aug 7 at 18:33
@MatthewLeingang I used $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=iint ds$
â newhere
Aug 7 at 19:08
Isn't $int_gamma-ydx+xdy=2iint ds?$ I think you just want $xdy$
â saulspatz
Aug 7 at 19:27