How to solve these two equations for $tau$ and $b$? All the other symbols are constants.

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$$largefracmu b2frac2-nu1-nuRlnfracRr_c-taupi R^2+fracgamma_0pi^2 R^2b_0sinleft(frac2pi(u_0+b)b_0right)=0$$



$$largefracmu b^24frac2-nu1-nuleft[1+lnfracRr_cright]-2pi Rtau b-gamma_0pi Rsinleft(fracpi(2u_0+b)b_0right)sinleft(fracpi bb_0right)=0$$



I've tried inputting the two equations in Mathematica but I think my input formatting is incorrect.







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    There is no hope to isolate $b$, since it appears both as an algebraic quantity and as the argument of a trigonometric function.
    – Saucy O'Path
    Aug 7 at 18:14







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    Why are you even trying to solve these? If you gave us more details, we could offer alternate possibilities
    – Rushabh Mehta
    Aug 7 at 18:15






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    Welcome to MSE. We prefer to have all math here typed in MathJax, which isn't too hard to learn: math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5020/…. If you click "edit," you can see how I used MathJax to type your equations.
    – Robert Howard
    Aug 7 at 18:28










  • Yeah I've seen the edit and it's pretty cool. Almost similar to LaTex formatting. I'll be mindful of this. Thanks!
    – anik faisal
    Aug 7 at 18:40










  • You could try and solve it in the approximation of small $b/b_0$ then check that the solution is small when feeding in values for all the other constants.
    – user121049
    Aug 7 at 18:55














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$$largefracmu b2frac2-nu1-nuRlnfracRr_c-taupi R^2+fracgamma_0pi^2 R^2b_0sinleft(frac2pi(u_0+b)b_0right)=0$$



$$largefracmu b^24frac2-nu1-nuleft[1+lnfracRr_cright]-2pi Rtau b-gamma_0pi Rsinleft(fracpi(2u_0+b)b_0right)sinleft(fracpi bb_0right)=0$$



I've tried inputting the two equations in Mathematica but I think my input formatting is incorrect.







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  • 3




    There is no hope to isolate $b$, since it appears both as an algebraic quantity and as the argument of a trigonometric function.
    – Saucy O'Path
    Aug 7 at 18:14







  • 2




    Why are you even trying to solve these? If you gave us more details, we could offer alternate possibilities
    – Rushabh Mehta
    Aug 7 at 18:15






  • 1




    Welcome to MSE. We prefer to have all math here typed in MathJax, which isn't too hard to learn: math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5020/…. If you click "edit," you can see how I used MathJax to type your equations.
    – Robert Howard
    Aug 7 at 18:28










  • Yeah I've seen the edit and it's pretty cool. Almost similar to LaTex formatting. I'll be mindful of this. Thanks!
    – anik faisal
    Aug 7 at 18:40










  • You could try and solve it in the approximation of small $b/b_0$ then check that the solution is small when feeding in values for all the other constants.
    – user121049
    Aug 7 at 18:55












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$$largefracmu b2frac2-nu1-nuRlnfracRr_c-taupi R^2+fracgamma_0pi^2 R^2b_0sinleft(frac2pi(u_0+b)b_0right)=0$$



$$largefracmu b^24frac2-nu1-nuleft[1+lnfracRr_cright]-2pi Rtau b-gamma_0pi Rsinleft(fracpi(2u_0+b)b_0right)sinleft(fracpi bb_0right)=0$$



I've tried inputting the two equations in Mathematica but I think my input formatting is incorrect.







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$$largefracmu b2frac2-nu1-nuRlnfracRr_c-taupi R^2+fracgamma_0pi^2 R^2b_0sinleft(frac2pi(u_0+b)b_0right)=0$$



$$largefracmu b^24frac2-nu1-nuleft[1+lnfracRr_cright]-2pi Rtau b-gamma_0pi Rsinleft(fracpi(2u_0+b)b_0right)sinleft(fracpi bb_0right)=0$$



I've tried inputting the two equations in Mathematica but I think my input formatting is incorrect.









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edited Aug 15 at 12:43









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  • 3




    There is no hope to isolate $b$, since it appears both as an algebraic quantity and as the argument of a trigonometric function.
    – Saucy O'Path
    Aug 7 at 18:14







  • 2




    Why are you even trying to solve these? If you gave us more details, we could offer alternate possibilities
    – Rushabh Mehta
    Aug 7 at 18:15






  • 1




    Welcome to MSE. We prefer to have all math here typed in MathJax, which isn't too hard to learn: math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5020/…. If you click "edit," you can see how I used MathJax to type your equations.
    – Robert Howard
    Aug 7 at 18:28










  • Yeah I've seen the edit and it's pretty cool. Almost similar to LaTex formatting. I'll be mindful of this. Thanks!
    – anik faisal
    Aug 7 at 18:40










  • You could try and solve it in the approximation of small $b/b_0$ then check that the solution is small when feeding in values for all the other constants.
    – user121049
    Aug 7 at 18:55












  • 3




    There is no hope to isolate $b$, since it appears both as an algebraic quantity and as the argument of a trigonometric function.
    – Saucy O'Path
    Aug 7 at 18:14







  • 2




    Why are you even trying to solve these? If you gave us more details, we could offer alternate possibilities
    – Rushabh Mehta
    Aug 7 at 18:15






  • 1




    Welcome to MSE. We prefer to have all math here typed in MathJax, which isn't too hard to learn: math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5020/…. If you click "edit," you can see how I used MathJax to type your equations.
    – Robert Howard
    Aug 7 at 18:28










  • Yeah I've seen the edit and it's pretty cool. Almost similar to LaTex formatting. I'll be mindful of this. Thanks!
    – anik faisal
    Aug 7 at 18:40










  • You could try and solve it in the approximation of small $b/b_0$ then check that the solution is small when feeding in values for all the other constants.
    – user121049
    Aug 7 at 18:55







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3




There is no hope to isolate $b$, since it appears both as an algebraic quantity and as the argument of a trigonometric function.
– Saucy O'Path
Aug 7 at 18:14





There is no hope to isolate $b$, since it appears both as an algebraic quantity and as the argument of a trigonometric function.
– Saucy O'Path
Aug 7 at 18:14





2




2




Why are you even trying to solve these? If you gave us more details, we could offer alternate possibilities
– Rushabh Mehta
Aug 7 at 18:15




Why are you even trying to solve these? If you gave us more details, we could offer alternate possibilities
– Rushabh Mehta
Aug 7 at 18:15




1




1




Welcome to MSE. We prefer to have all math here typed in MathJax, which isn't too hard to learn: math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5020/…. If you click "edit," you can see how I used MathJax to type your equations.
– Robert Howard
Aug 7 at 18:28




Welcome to MSE. We prefer to have all math here typed in MathJax, which isn't too hard to learn: math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5020/…. If you click "edit," you can see how I used MathJax to type your equations.
– Robert Howard
Aug 7 at 18:28












Yeah I've seen the edit and it's pretty cool. Almost similar to LaTex formatting. I'll be mindful of this. Thanks!
– anik faisal
Aug 7 at 18:40




Yeah I've seen the edit and it's pretty cool. Almost similar to LaTex formatting. I'll be mindful of this. Thanks!
– anik faisal
Aug 7 at 18:40












You could try and solve it in the approximation of small $b/b_0$ then check that the solution is small when feeding in values for all the other constants.
– user121049
Aug 7 at 18:55




You could try and solve it in the approximation of small $b/b_0$ then check that the solution is small when feeding in values for all the other constants.
– user121049
Aug 7 at 18:55










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Using Mefitico's answer, extract $tau$ from the first equation and plug the resulting expression in the second equation which is now on the form $f(b)=0$. Solve it for $b$ (I suppose that graphing the function would be a good idea to locate more or less where is the root) and use any numerical method of your choice for solving it.



No hope for analytical solutions.






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  • I kind of knew analytical solution might be almost impossible to figure out. I have used newton raphson to solve for 'b' & tau' numerically. Thanks!!
    – anik faisal
    Aug 16 at 16:06

















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First, you re-write your equations to have coefficients $c_k$ instead of large expressions:



$$
c_1 b + c_2 tau+c_3 sin(c_4 +c_5 b) = 0
$$



$$
c_6 b^2 + c_7 b tau+c_8 sin(c_9 +c_10 b) sin(c_11b) = 0
$$



Now this should be much easier to write on Mathematica, and you can define each symbol and check for its appropriate typing.



Then, since the first equation looks a bit like Kepler's Equation, I would not hope to find an analytical solution, but depending on your coefficients you should be able to find a numeric solution with rather simple methods such as fixed point iteration or in the worst case Levenberg-Marquardt.






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  • Thanks for the answer! I have used newton raphson to numerically solve for 'b' & 'tau'.
    – anik faisal
    Aug 16 at 16:05










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Using Mefitico's answer, extract $tau$ from the first equation and plug the resulting expression in the second equation which is now on the form $f(b)=0$. Solve it for $b$ (I suppose that graphing the function would be a good idea to locate more or less where is the root) and use any numerical method of your choice for solving it.



No hope for analytical solutions.






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  • I kind of knew analytical solution might be almost impossible to figure out. I have used newton raphson to solve for 'b' & tau' numerically. Thanks!!
    – anik faisal
    Aug 16 at 16:06














up vote
1
down vote



accepted










Using Mefitico's answer, extract $tau$ from the first equation and plug the resulting expression in the second equation which is now on the form $f(b)=0$. Solve it for $b$ (I suppose that graphing the function would be a good idea to locate more or less where is the root) and use any numerical method of your choice for solving it.



No hope for analytical solutions.






share|cite|improve this answer





















  • I kind of knew analytical solution might be almost impossible to figure out. I have used newton raphson to solve for 'b' & tau' numerically. Thanks!!
    – anik faisal
    Aug 16 at 16:06












up vote
1
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up vote
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Using Mefitico's answer, extract $tau$ from the first equation and plug the resulting expression in the second equation which is now on the form $f(b)=0$. Solve it for $b$ (I suppose that graphing the function would be a good idea to locate more or less where is the root) and use any numerical method of your choice for solving it.



No hope for analytical solutions.






share|cite|improve this answer













Using Mefitico's answer, extract $tau$ from the first equation and plug the resulting expression in the second equation which is now on the form $f(b)=0$. Solve it for $b$ (I suppose that graphing the function would be a good idea to locate more or less where is the root) and use any numerical method of your choice for solving it.



No hope for analytical solutions.







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answered Aug 16 at 7:55









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  • I kind of knew analytical solution might be almost impossible to figure out. I have used newton raphson to solve for 'b' & tau' numerically. Thanks!!
    – anik faisal
    Aug 16 at 16:06
















  • I kind of knew analytical solution might be almost impossible to figure out. I have used newton raphson to solve for 'b' & tau' numerically. Thanks!!
    – anik faisal
    Aug 16 at 16:06















I kind of knew analytical solution might be almost impossible to figure out. I have used newton raphson to solve for 'b' & tau' numerically. Thanks!!
– anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:06




I kind of knew analytical solution might be almost impossible to figure out. I have used newton raphson to solve for 'b' & tau' numerically. Thanks!!
– anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:06










up vote
1
down vote













First, you re-write your equations to have coefficients $c_k$ instead of large expressions:



$$
c_1 b + c_2 tau+c_3 sin(c_4 +c_5 b) = 0
$$



$$
c_6 b^2 + c_7 b tau+c_8 sin(c_9 +c_10 b) sin(c_11b) = 0
$$



Now this should be much easier to write on Mathematica, and you can define each symbol and check for its appropriate typing.



Then, since the first equation looks a bit like Kepler's Equation, I would not hope to find an analytical solution, but depending on your coefficients you should be able to find a numeric solution with rather simple methods such as fixed point iteration or in the worst case Levenberg-Marquardt.






share|cite|improve this answer























  • Thanks for the answer! I have used newton raphson to numerically solve for 'b' & 'tau'.
    – anik faisal
    Aug 16 at 16:05














up vote
1
down vote













First, you re-write your equations to have coefficients $c_k$ instead of large expressions:



$$
c_1 b + c_2 tau+c_3 sin(c_4 +c_5 b) = 0
$$



$$
c_6 b^2 + c_7 b tau+c_8 sin(c_9 +c_10 b) sin(c_11b) = 0
$$



Now this should be much easier to write on Mathematica, and you can define each symbol and check for its appropriate typing.



Then, since the first equation looks a bit like Kepler's Equation, I would not hope to find an analytical solution, but depending on your coefficients you should be able to find a numeric solution with rather simple methods such as fixed point iteration or in the worst case Levenberg-Marquardt.






share|cite|improve this answer























  • Thanks for the answer! I have used newton raphson to numerically solve for 'b' & 'tau'.
    – anik faisal
    Aug 16 at 16:05












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up vote
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down vote









First, you re-write your equations to have coefficients $c_k$ instead of large expressions:



$$
c_1 b + c_2 tau+c_3 sin(c_4 +c_5 b) = 0
$$



$$
c_6 b^2 + c_7 b tau+c_8 sin(c_9 +c_10 b) sin(c_11b) = 0
$$



Now this should be much easier to write on Mathematica, and you can define each symbol and check for its appropriate typing.



Then, since the first equation looks a bit like Kepler's Equation, I would not hope to find an analytical solution, but depending on your coefficients you should be able to find a numeric solution with rather simple methods such as fixed point iteration or in the worst case Levenberg-Marquardt.






share|cite|improve this answer















First, you re-write your equations to have coefficients $c_k$ instead of large expressions:



$$
c_1 b + c_2 tau+c_3 sin(c_4 +c_5 b) = 0
$$



$$
c_6 b^2 + c_7 b tau+c_8 sin(c_9 +c_10 b) sin(c_11b) = 0
$$



Now this should be much easier to write on Mathematica, and you can define each symbol and check for its appropriate typing.



Then, since the first equation looks a bit like Kepler's Equation, I would not hope to find an analytical solution, but depending on your coefficients you should be able to find a numeric solution with rather simple methods such as fixed point iteration or in the worst case Levenberg-Marquardt.







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  • Thanks for the answer! I have used newton raphson to numerically solve for 'b' & 'tau'.
    – anik faisal
    Aug 16 at 16:05
















  • Thanks for the answer! I have used newton raphson to numerically solve for 'b' & 'tau'.
    – anik faisal
    Aug 16 at 16:05















Thanks for the answer! I have used newton raphson to numerically solve for 'b' & 'tau'.
– anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:05




Thanks for the answer! I have used newton raphson to numerically solve for 'b' & 'tau'.
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