How to solve these two equations for $tau$ and $b$? All the other symbols are constants.
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$$largefracmu b2frac2-nu1-nuRlnfracRr_c-taupi R^2+fracgamma_0pi^2 R^2b_0sinleft(frac2pi(u_0+b)b_0right)=0$$
$$largefracmu b^24frac2-nu1-nuleft[1+lnfracRr_cright]-2pi Rtau b-gamma_0pi Rsinleft(fracpi(2u_0+b)b_0right)sinleft(fracpi bb_0right)=0$$
I've tried inputting the two equations in Mathematica but I think my input formatting is incorrect.
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$$largefracmu b2frac2-nu1-nuRlnfracRr_c-taupi R^2+fracgamma_0pi^2 R^2b_0sinleft(frac2pi(u_0+b)b_0right)=0$$
$$largefracmu b^24frac2-nu1-nuleft[1+lnfracRr_cright]-2pi Rtau b-gamma_0pi Rsinleft(fracpi(2u_0+b)b_0right)sinleft(fracpi bb_0right)=0$$
I've tried inputting the two equations in Mathematica but I think my input formatting is incorrect.
trigonometry systems-of-equations
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There is no hope to isolate $b$, since it appears both as an algebraic quantity and as the argument of a trigonometric function.
â Saucy O'Path
Aug 7 at 18:14
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Why are you even trying to solve these? If you gave us more details, we could offer alternate possibilities
â Rushabh Mehta
Aug 7 at 18:15
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Welcome to MSE. We prefer to have all math here typed in MathJax, which isn't too hard to learn: math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5020/â¦. If you click "edit," you can see how I used MathJax to type your equations.
â Robert Howard
Aug 7 at 18:28
Yeah I've seen the edit and it's pretty cool. Almost similar to LaTex formatting. I'll be mindful of this. Thanks!
â anik faisal
Aug 7 at 18:40
You could try and solve it in the approximation of small $b/b_0$ then check that the solution is small when feeding in values for all the other constants.
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Aug 7 at 18:55
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$$largefracmu b2frac2-nu1-nuRlnfracRr_c-taupi R^2+fracgamma_0pi^2 R^2b_0sinleft(frac2pi(u_0+b)b_0right)=0$$
$$largefracmu b^24frac2-nu1-nuleft[1+lnfracRr_cright]-2pi Rtau b-gamma_0pi Rsinleft(fracpi(2u_0+b)b_0right)sinleft(fracpi bb_0right)=0$$
I've tried inputting the two equations in Mathematica but I think my input formatting is incorrect.
trigonometry systems-of-equations
$$largefracmu b2frac2-nu1-nuRlnfracRr_c-taupi R^2+fracgamma_0pi^2 R^2b_0sinleft(frac2pi(u_0+b)b_0right)=0$$
$$largefracmu b^24frac2-nu1-nuleft[1+lnfracRr_cright]-2pi Rtau b-gamma_0pi Rsinleft(fracpi(2u_0+b)b_0right)sinleft(fracpi bb_0right)=0$$
I've tried inputting the two equations in Mathematica but I think my input formatting is incorrect.
trigonometry systems-of-equations
edited Aug 15 at 12:43
Harry Peter
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asked Aug 7 at 18:10
anik faisal
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There is no hope to isolate $b$, since it appears both as an algebraic quantity and as the argument of a trigonometric function.
â Saucy O'Path
Aug 7 at 18:14
2
Why are you even trying to solve these? If you gave us more details, we could offer alternate possibilities
â Rushabh Mehta
Aug 7 at 18:15
1
Welcome to MSE. We prefer to have all math here typed in MathJax, which isn't too hard to learn: math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5020/â¦. If you click "edit," you can see how I used MathJax to type your equations.
â Robert Howard
Aug 7 at 18:28
Yeah I've seen the edit and it's pretty cool. Almost similar to LaTex formatting. I'll be mindful of this. Thanks!
â anik faisal
Aug 7 at 18:40
You could try and solve it in the approximation of small $b/b_0$ then check that the solution is small when feeding in values for all the other constants.
â user121049
Aug 7 at 18:55
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There is no hope to isolate $b$, since it appears both as an algebraic quantity and as the argument of a trigonometric function.
â Saucy O'Path
Aug 7 at 18:14
2
Why are you even trying to solve these? If you gave us more details, we could offer alternate possibilities
â Rushabh Mehta
Aug 7 at 18:15
1
Welcome to MSE. We prefer to have all math here typed in MathJax, which isn't too hard to learn: math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5020/â¦. If you click "edit," you can see how I used MathJax to type your equations.
â Robert Howard
Aug 7 at 18:28
Yeah I've seen the edit and it's pretty cool. Almost similar to LaTex formatting. I'll be mindful of this. Thanks!
â anik faisal
Aug 7 at 18:40
You could try and solve it in the approximation of small $b/b_0$ then check that the solution is small when feeding in values for all the other constants.
â user121049
Aug 7 at 18:55
3
3
There is no hope to isolate $b$, since it appears both as an algebraic quantity and as the argument of a trigonometric function.
â Saucy O'Path
Aug 7 at 18:14
There is no hope to isolate $b$, since it appears both as an algebraic quantity and as the argument of a trigonometric function.
â Saucy O'Path
Aug 7 at 18:14
2
2
Why are you even trying to solve these? If you gave us more details, we could offer alternate possibilities
â Rushabh Mehta
Aug 7 at 18:15
Why are you even trying to solve these? If you gave us more details, we could offer alternate possibilities
â Rushabh Mehta
Aug 7 at 18:15
1
1
Welcome to MSE. We prefer to have all math here typed in MathJax, which isn't too hard to learn: math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5020/â¦. If you click "edit," you can see how I used MathJax to type your equations.
â Robert Howard
Aug 7 at 18:28
Welcome to MSE. We prefer to have all math here typed in MathJax, which isn't too hard to learn: math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5020/â¦. If you click "edit," you can see how I used MathJax to type your equations.
â Robert Howard
Aug 7 at 18:28
Yeah I've seen the edit and it's pretty cool. Almost similar to LaTex formatting. I'll be mindful of this. Thanks!
â anik faisal
Aug 7 at 18:40
Yeah I've seen the edit and it's pretty cool. Almost similar to LaTex formatting. I'll be mindful of this. Thanks!
â anik faisal
Aug 7 at 18:40
You could try and solve it in the approximation of small $b/b_0$ then check that the solution is small when feeding in values for all the other constants.
â user121049
Aug 7 at 18:55
You could try and solve it in the approximation of small $b/b_0$ then check that the solution is small when feeding in values for all the other constants.
â user121049
Aug 7 at 18:55
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Using Mefitico's answer, extract $tau$ from the first equation and plug the resulting expression in the second equation which is now on the form $f(b)=0$. Solve it for $b$ (I suppose that graphing the function would be a good idea to locate more or less where is the root) and use any numerical method of your choice for solving it.
No hope for analytical solutions.
I kind of knew analytical solution might be almost impossible to figure out. I have used newton raphson to solve for 'b' & tau' numerically. Thanks!!
â anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:06
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First, you re-write your equations to have coefficients $c_k$ instead of large expressions:
$$
c_1 b + c_2 tau+c_3 sin(c_4 +c_5 b) = 0
$$
$$
c_6 b^2 + c_7 b tau+c_8 sin(c_9 +c_10 b) sin(c_11b) = 0
$$
Now this should be much easier to write on Mathematica, and you can define each symbol and check for its appropriate typing.
Then, since the first equation looks a bit like Kepler's Equation, I would not hope to find an analytical solution, but depending on your coefficients you should be able to find a numeric solution with rather simple methods such as fixed point iteration or in the worst case Levenberg-Marquardt.
Thanks for the answer! I have used newton raphson to numerically solve for 'b' & 'tau'.
â anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:05
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2 Answers
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active
oldest
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2 Answers
2
active
oldest
votes
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
1
down vote
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Using Mefitico's answer, extract $tau$ from the first equation and plug the resulting expression in the second equation which is now on the form $f(b)=0$. Solve it for $b$ (I suppose that graphing the function would be a good idea to locate more or less where is the root) and use any numerical method of your choice for solving it.
No hope for analytical solutions.
I kind of knew analytical solution might be almost impossible to figure out. I have used newton raphson to solve for 'b' & tau' numerically. Thanks!!
â anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:06
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
Using Mefitico's answer, extract $tau$ from the first equation and plug the resulting expression in the second equation which is now on the form $f(b)=0$. Solve it for $b$ (I suppose that graphing the function would be a good idea to locate more or less where is the root) and use any numerical method of your choice for solving it.
No hope for analytical solutions.
I kind of knew analytical solution might be almost impossible to figure out. I have used newton raphson to solve for 'b' & tau' numerically. Thanks!!
â anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:06
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
Using Mefitico's answer, extract $tau$ from the first equation and plug the resulting expression in the second equation which is now on the form $f(b)=0$. Solve it for $b$ (I suppose that graphing the function would be a good idea to locate more or less where is the root) and use any numerical method of your choice for solving it.
No hope for analytical solutions.
Using Mefitico's answer, extract $tau$ from the first equation and plug the resulting expression in the second equation which is now on the form $f(b)=0$. Solve it for $b$ (I suppose that graphing the function would be a good idea to locate more or less where is the root) and use any numerical method of your choice for solving it.
No hope for analytical solutions.
answered Aug 16 at 7:55
Claude Leibovici
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112k1055126
I kind of knew analytical solution might be almost impossible to figure out. I have used newton raphson to solve for 'b' & tau' numerically. Thanks!!
â anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:06
add a comment |Â
I kind of knew analytical solution might be almost impossible to figure out. I have used newton raphson to solve for 'b' & tau' numerically. Thanks!!
â anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:06
I kind of knew analytical solution might be almost impossible to figure out. I have used newton raphson to solve for 'b' & tau' numerically. Thanks!!
â anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:06
I kind of knew analytical solution might be almost impossible to figure out. I have used newton raphson to solve for 'b' & tau' numerically. Thanks!!
â anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:06
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
First, you re-write your equations to have coefficients $c_k$ instead of large expressions:
$$
c_1 b + c_2 tau+c_3 sin(c_4 +c_5 b) = 0
$$
$$
c_6 b^2 + c_7 b tau+c_8 sin(c_9 +c_10 b) sin(c_11b) = 0
$$
Now this should be much easier to write on Mathematica, and you can define each symbol and check for its appropriate typing.
Then, since the first equation looks a bit like Kepler's Equation, I would not hope to find an analytical solution, but depending on your coefficients you should be able to find a numeric solution with rather simple methods such as fixed point iteration or in the worst case Levenberg-Marquardt.
Thanks for the answer! I have used newton raphson to numerically solve for 'b' & 'tau'.
â anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:05
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
First, you re-write your equations to have coefficients $c_k$ instead of large expressions:
$$
c_1 b + c_2 tau+c_3 sin(c_4 +c_5 b) = 0
$$
$$
c_6 b^2 + c_7 b tau+c_8 sin(c_9 +c_10 b) sin(c_11b) = 0
$$
Now this should be much easier to write on Mathematica, and you can define each symbol and check for its appropriate typing.
Then, since the first equation looks a bit like Kepler's Equation, I would not hope to find an analytical solution, but depending on your coefficients you should be able to find a numeric solution with rather simple methods such as fixed point iteration or in the worst case Levenberg-Marquardt.
Thanks for the answer! I have used newton raphson to numerically solve for 'b' & 'tau'.
â anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:05
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
First, you re-write your equations to have coefficients $c_k$ instead of large expressions:
$$
c_1 b + c_2 tau+c_3 sin(c_4 +c_5 b) = 0
$$
$$
c_6 b^2 + c_7 b tau+c_8 sin(c_9 +c_10 b) sin(c_11b) = 0
$$
Now this should be much easier to write on Mathematica, and you can define each symbol and check for its appropriate typing.
Then, since the first equation looks a bit like Kepler's Equation, I would not hope to find an analytical solution, but depending on your coefficients you should be able to find a numeric solution with rather simple methods such as fixed point iteration or in the worst case Levenberg-Marquardt.
First, you re-write your equations to have coefficients $c_k$ instead of large expressions:
$$
c_1 b + c_2 tau+c_3 sin(c_4 +c_5 b) = 0
$$
$$
c_6 b^2 + c_7 b tau+c_8 sin(c_9 +c_10 b) sin(c_11b) = 0
$$
Now this should be much easier to write on Mathematica, and you can define each symbol and check for its appropriate typing.
Then, since the first equation looks a bit like Kepler's Equation, I would not hope to find an analytical solution, but depending on your coefficients you should be able to find a numeric solution with rather simple methods such as fixed point iteration or in the worst case Levenberg-Marquardt.
edited Aug 16 at 17:11
answered Aug 15 at 12:53
Mefitico
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Thanks for the answer! I have used newton raphson to numerically solve for 'b' & 'tau'.
â anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:05
add a comment |Â
Thanks for the answer! I have used newton raphson to numerically solve for 'b' & 'tau'.
â anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:05
Thanks for the answer! I have used newton raphson to numerically solve for 'b' & 'tau'.
â anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:05
Thanks for the answer! I have used newton raphson to numerically solve for 'b' & 'tau'.
â anik faisal
Aug 16 at 16:05
add a comment |Â
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There is no hope to isolate $b$, since it appears both as an algebraic quantity and as the argument of a trigonometric function.
â Saucy O'Path
Aug 7 at 18:14
2
Why are you even trying to solve these? If you gave us more details, we could offer alternate possibilities
â Rushabh Mehta
Aug 7 at 18:15
1
Welcome to MSE. We prefer to have all math here typed in MathJax, which isn't too hard to learn: math.meta.stackexchange.com/questions/5020/â¦. If you click "edit," you can see how I used MathJax to type your equations.
â Robert Howard
Aug 7 at 18:28
Yeah I've seen the edit and it's pretty cool. Almost similar to LaTex formatting. I'll be mindful of this. Thanks!
â anik faisal
Aug 7 at 18:40
You could try and solve it in the approximation of small $b/b_0$ then check that the solution is small when feeding in values for all the other constants.
â user121049
Aug 7 at 18:55