Area of a triangle using vectors

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I have to find the area of a triangle whose vertices have coordinates



O$(0,0,0)$, A$(1,-5,-7)$ and B$(10,10,5)$



I thought that perhaps I should use the dot product to find the angle between the lines $vecOA$ and $vecOB$ and use this angle in the formula:



area $= frac12absinC$



These are my steps for doing this:



$mathbfa cdot mathbfb = beginvmatrix mathbfa endvmatrixbeginvmatrix mathbfb endvmatrix sintheta $



Let $mathbfa = beginpmatrix 1 \ -5 \ -7 endpmatrix$ and let $mathbfb = beginpmatrix 10 \ 10 \ 5 endpmatrix$



$therefore beginpmatrix 1 \ -5 \ -7 endpmatrix cdot beginpmatrix 10 \ 10 \ 5 endpmatrix = (5sqrt3)(15)sintheta $



$therefore sintheta = -dfrac1sqrt3$



If I substitute these values into the general formula:



area $= frac12absinC$



I get:



area $= frac12(5sqrt3)(15)(-dfrac1sqrt3)$



$therefore$ area $= -dfrac752$



However this isn't right, the area should be $dfrac75sqrt2$



I feel I'm missing something really obvious but I can't spot it, can anyone help?



Thank you.







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    $mathbfacdot mathbfb=|mathbfa||mathbfb| cos theta$.
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  • Haha, thank you, can't believe I didn't check that.
    – Elise
    Feb 7 '14 at 16:55






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    Use the cross product ...
    – Mark Bennet
    Feb 7 '14 at 17:31










  • @MarkBennet that would make it a lot more efficient, thank you :)
    – Elise
    Feb 7 '14 at 18:05














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I have to find the area of a triangle whose vertices have coordinates



O$(0,0,0)$, A$(1,-5,-7)$ and B$(10,10,5)$



I thought that perhaps I should use the dot product to find the angle between the lines $vecOA$ and $vecOB$ and use this angle in the formula:



area $= frac12absinC$



These are my steps for doing this:



$mathbfa cdot mathbfb = beginvmatrix mathbfa endvmatrixbeginvmatrix mathbfb endvmatrix sintheta $



Let $mathbfa = beginpmatrix 1 \ -5 \ -7 endpmatrix$ and let $mathbfb = beginpmatrix 10 \ 10 \ 5 endpmatrix$



$therefore beginpmatrix 1 \ -5 \ -7 endpmatrix cdot beginpmatrix 10 \ 10 \ 5 endpmatrix = (5sqrt3)(15)sintheta $



$therefore sintheta = -dfrac1sqrt3$



If I substitute these values into the general formula:



area $= frac12absinC$



I get:



area $= frac12(5sqrt3)(15)(-dfrac1sqrt3)$



$therefore$ area $= -dfrac752$



However this isn't right, the area should be $dfrac75sqrt2$



I feel I'm missing something really obvious but I can't spot it, can anyone help?



Thank you.







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  • 1




    $mathbfacdot mathbfb=|mathbfa||mathbfb| cos theta$.
    – Meow
    Feb 7 '14 at 16:54










  • Haha, thank you, can't believe I didn't check that.
    – Elise
    Feb 7 '14 at 16:55






  • 2




    Use the cross product ...
    – Mark Bennet
    Feb 7 '14 at 17:31










  • @MarkBennet that would make it a lot more efficient, thank you :)
    – Elise
    Feb 7 '14 at 18:05












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I have to find the area of a triangle whose vertices have coordinates



O$(0,0,0)$, A$(1,-5,-7)$ and B$(10,10,5)$



I thought that perhaps I should use the dot product to find the angle between the lines $vecOA$ and $vecOB$ and use this angle in the formula:



area $= frac12absinC$



These are my steps for doing this:



$mathbfa cdot mathbfb = beginvmatrix mathbfa endvmatrixbeginvmatrix mathbfb endvmatrix sintheta $



Let $mathbfa = beginpmatrix 1 \ -5 \ -7 endpmatrix$ and let $mathbfb = beginpmatrix 10 \ 10 \ 5 endpmatrix$



$therefore beginpmatrix 1 \ -5 \ -7 endpmatrix cdot beginpmatrix 10 \ 10 \ 5 endpmatrix = (5sqrt3)(15)sintheta $



$therefore sintheta = -dfrac1sqrt3$



If I substitute these values into the general formula:



area $= frac12absinC$



I get:



area $= frac12(5sqrt3)(15)(-dfrac1sqrt3)$



$therefore$ area $= -dfrac752$



However this isn't right, the area should be $dfrac75sqrt2$



I feel I'm missing something really obvious but I can't spot it, can anyone help?



Thank you.







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I have to find the area of a triangle whose vertices have coordinates



O$(0,0,0)$, A$(1,-5,-7)$ and B$(10,10,5)$



I thought that perhaps I should use the dot product to find the angle between the lines $vecOA$ and $vecOB$ and use this angle in the formula:



area $= frac12absinC$



These are my steps for doing this:



$mathbfa cdot mathbfb = beginvmatrix mathbfa endvmatrixbeginvmatrix mathbfb endvmatrix sintheta $



Let $mathbfa = beginpmatrix 1 \ -5 \ -7 endpmatrix$ and let $mathbfb = beginpmatrix 10 \ 10 \ 5 endpmatrix$



$therefore beginpmatrix 1 \ -5 \ -7 endpmatrix cdot beginpmatrix 10 \ 10 \ 5 endpmatrix = (5sqrt3)(15)sintheta $



$therefore sintheta = -dfrac1sqrt3$



If I substitute these values into the general formula:



area $= frac12absinC$



I get:



area $= frac12(5sqrt3)(15)(-dfrac1sqrt3)$



$therefore$ area $= -dfrac752$



However this isn't right, the area should be $dfrac75sqrt2$



I feel I'm missing something really obvious but I can't spot it, can anyone help?



Thank you.









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    $mathbfacdot mathbfb=|mathbfa||mathbfb| cos theta$.
    – Meow
    Feb 7 '14 at 16:54










  • Haha, thank you, can't believe I didn't check that.
    – Elise
    Feb 7 '14 at 16:55






  • 2




    Use the cross product ...
    – Mark Bennet
    Feb 7 '14 at 17:31










  • @MarkBennet that would make it a lot more efficient, thank you :)
    – Elise
    Feb 7 '14 at 18:05












  • 1




    $mathbfacdot mathbfb=|mathbfa||mathbfb| cos theta$.
    – Meow
    Feb 7 '14 at 16:54










  • Haha, thank you, can't believe I didn't check that.
    – Elise
    Feb 7 '14 at 16:55






  • 2




    Use the cross product ...
    – Mark Bennet
    Feb 7 '14 at 17:31










  • @MarkBennet that would make it a lot more efficient, thank you :)
    – Elise
    Feb 7 '14 at 18:05







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$mathbfacdot mathbfb=|mathbfa||mathbfb| cos theta$.
– Meow
Feb 7 '14 at 16:54




$mathbfacdot mathbfb=|mathbfa||mathbfb| cos theta$.
– Meow
Feb 7 '14 at 16:54












Haha, thank you, can't believe I didn't check that.
– Elise
Feb 7 '14 at 16:55




Haha, thank you, can't believe I didn't check that.
– Elise
Feb 7 '14 at 16:55




2




2




Use the cross product ...
– Mark Bennet
Feb 7 '14 at 17:31




Use the cross product ...
– Mark Bennet
Feb 7 '14 at 17:31












@MarkBennet that would make it a lot more efficient, thank you :)
– Elise
Feb 7 '14 at 18:05




@MarkBennet that would make it a lot more efficient, thank you :)
– Elise
Feb 7 '14 at 18:05










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The correct formula is $mathbfa cdot mathbfb = beginvmatrix mathbfa endvmatrixbeginvmatrix mathbfb endvmatrix costheta $



So what you really have is $costheta = cfrac-1sqrt3$



Therefore $$sintheta = sqrt1 - cos^2theta = sqrt1 - frac13 = sqrtfrac23 = fracsqrt2sqrt3$$



Finally, the area of the triangle is:



$$
Area = frac12 (5 sqrt3) (15) fracsqrt2sqrt3 = frac75 sqrt22
$$



We can just multiply $fracsqrt2sqrt2$ to the area, and then we get the answer you posted:



$$
Area = frac75 sqrt22 left(fracsqrt2sqrt2right) = frac75sqrt2
$$






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    Since your vectors are in $mathbbR^3$, you can find the area of the parallelogram generated by the vectors by computing the magnitude of the cross product. The area of the triangle is half that value:
    $Area=(1/2) | a times b |$.






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      The correct formula is $mathbfa cdot mathbfb = beginvmatrix mathbfa endvmatrixbeginvmatrix mathbfb endvmatrix costheta $



      So what you really have is $costheta = cfrac-1sqrt3$



      Therefore $$sintheta = sqrt1 - cos^2theta = sqrt1 - frac13 = sqrtfrac23 = fracsqrt2sqrt3$$



      Finally, the area of the triangle is:



      $$
      Area = frac12 (5 sqrt3) (15) fracsqrt2sqrt3 = frac75 sqrt22
      $$



      We can just multiply $fracsqrt2sqrt2$ to the area, and then we get the answer you posted:



      $$
      Area = frac75 sqrt22 left(fracsqrt2sqrt2right) = frac75sqrt2
      $$






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        The correct formula is $mathbfa cdot mathbfb = beginvmatrix mathbfa endvmatrixbeginvmatrix mathbfb endvmatrix costheta $



        So what you really have is $costheta = cfrac-1sqrt3$



        Therefore $$sintheta = sqrt1 - cos^2theta = sqrt1 - frac13 = sqrtfrac23 = fracsqrt2sqrt3$$



        Finally, the area of the triangle is:



        $$
        Area = frac12 (5 sqrt3) (15) fracsqrt2sqrt3 = frac75 sqrt22
        $$



        We can just multiply $fracsqrt2sqrt2$ to the area, and then we get the answer you posted:



        $$
        Area = frac75 sqrt22 left(fracsqrt2sqrt2right) = frac75sqrt2
        $$






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          The correct formula is $mathbfa cdot mathbfb = beginvmatrix mathbfa endvmatrixbeginvmatrix mathbfb endvmatrix costheta $



          So what you really have is $costheta = cfrac-1sqrt3$



          Therefore $$sintheta = sqrt1 - cos^2theta = sqrt1 - frac13 = sqrtfrac23 = fracsqrt2sqrt3$$



          Finally, the area of the triangle is:



          $$
          Area = frac12 (5 sqrt3) (15) fracsqrt2sqrt3 = frac75 sqrt22
          $$



          We can just multiply $fracsqrt2sqrt2$ to the area, and then we get the answer you posted:



          $$
          Area = frac75 sqrt22 left(fracsqrt2sqrt2right) = frac75sqrt2
          $$






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          The correct formula is $mathbfa cdot mathbfb = beginvmatrix mathbfa endvmatrixbeginvmatrix mathbfb endvmatrix costheta $



          So what you really have is $costheta = cfrac-1sqrt3$



          Therefore $$sintheta = sqrt1 - cos^2theta = sqrt1 - frac13 = sqrtfrac23 = fracsqrt2sqrt3$$



          Finally, the area of the triangle is:



          $$
          Area = frac12 (5 sqrt3) (15) fracsqrt2sqrt3 = frac75 sqrt22
          $$



          We can just multiply $fracsqrt2sqrt2$ to the area, and then we get the answer you posted:



          $$
          Area = frac75 sqrt22 left(fracsqrt2sqrt2right) = frac75sqrt2
          $$







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              Since your vectors are in $mathbbR^3$, you can find the area of the parallelogram generated by the vectors by computing the magnitude of the cross product. The area of the triangle is half that value:
              $Area=(1/2) | a times b |$.






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                Since your vectors are in $mathbbR^3$, you can find the area of the parallelogram generated by the vectors by computing the magnitude of the cross product. The area of the triangle is half that value:
                $Area=(1/2) | a times b |$.






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                  Since your vectors are in $mathbbR^3$, you can find the area of the parallelogram generated by the vectors by computing the magnitude of the cross product. The area of the triangle is half that value:
                  $Area=(1/2) | a times b |$.






                  share|cite|improve this answer












                  Since your vectors are in $mathbbR^3$, you can find the area of the parallelogram generated by the vectors by computing the magnitude of the cross product. The area of the triangle is half that value:
                  $Area=(1/2) | a times b |$.







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