Show that there exists $deltagt0 $ , for any $xin K$ the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ lies entirely in one of the sets $U_j$.
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Let $K subset mathbbR $ be a compact set, and let $U_1cdots U_n ,nin mathbbN $ be finitely many open sets with $K subset U_1 cupcdots cup U_n$. Show that there exists $deltagt0 $ , for any $xin K$ the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ lies entirely in one of the sets $U_j$.
I was wondering if I can do this by contradiction.
If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $E$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $E$ is closed.
Any wrongness in the prove?
It seems the proof is not correct. I'll consider other ways to figure out. Every hints would be helpful. Thanks and regards.
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Let $K subset mathbbR $ be a compact set, and let $U_1cdots U_n ,nin mathbbN $ be finitely many open sets with $K subset U_1 cupcdots cup U_n$. Show that there exists $deltagt0 $ , for any $xin K$ the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ lies entirely in one of the sets $U_j$.
I was wondering if I can do this by contradiction.
If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $E$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $E$ is closed.
Any wrongness in the prove?
It seems the proof is not correct. I'll consider other ways to figure out. Every hints would be helpful. Thanks and regards.
real-analysis
What is $E$ in your argument? $delta$ with the stated property is called a Lebesgue number for the open cover. You can get a proof from Wikipedia by searching for Lebesgue number.
â Kavi Rama Murthy
Aug 14 at 10:19
@Kavi Rama Murthy sorry, it's a typo. I want to say $K$.
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Aug 14 at 10:22
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Let $K subset mathbbR $ be a compact set, and let $U_1cdots U_n ,nin mathbbN $ be finitely many open sets with $K subset U_1 cupcdots cup U_n$. Show that there exists $deltagt0 $ , for any $xin K$ the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ lies entirely in one of the sets $U_j$.
I was wondering if I can do this by contradiction.
If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $E$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $E$ is closed.
Any wrongness in the prove?
It seems the proof is not correct. I'll consider other ways to figure out. Every hints would be helpful. Thanks and regards.
real-analysis
Let $K subset mathbbR $ be a compact set, and let $U_1cdots U_n ,nin mathbbN $ be finitely many open sets with $K subset U_1 cupcdots cup U_n$. Show that there exists $deltagt0 $ , for any $xin K$ the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ lies entirely in one of the sets $U_j$.
I was wondering if I can do this by contradiction.
If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $E$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $E$ is closed.
Any wrongness in the prove?
It seems the proof is not correct. I'll consider other ways to figure out. Every hints would be helpful. Thanks and regards.
real-analysis
edited Aug 14 at 10:57
asked Aug 14 at 10:14
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What is $E$ in your argument? $delta$ with the stated property is called a Lebesgue number for the open cover. You can get a proof from Wikipedia by searching for Lebesgue number.
â Kavi Rama Murthy
Aug 14 at 10:19
@Kavi Rama Murthy sorry, it's a typo. I want to say $K$.
â Jaqen Chou
Aug 14 at 10:22
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What is $E$ in your argument? $delta$ with the stated property is called a Lebesgue number for the open cover. You can get a proof from Wikipedia by searching for Lebesgue number.
â Kavi Rama Murthy
Aug 14 at 10:19
@Kavi Rama Murthy sorry, it's a typo. I want to say $K$.
â Jaqen Chou
Aug 14 at 10:22
What is $E$ in your argument? $delta$ with the stated property is called a Lebesgue number for the open cover. You can get a proof from Wikipedia by searching for Lebesgue number.
â Kavi Rama Murthy
Aug 14 at 10:19
What is $E$ in your argument? $delta$ with the stated property is called a Lebesgue number for the open cover. You can get a proof from Wikipedia by searching for Lebesgue number.
â Kavi Rama Murthy
Aug 14 at 10:19
@Kavi Rama Murthy sorry, it's a typo. I want to say $K$.
â Jaqen Chou
Aug 14 at 10:22
@Kavi Rama Murthy sorry, it's a typo. I want to say $K$.
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Aug 14 at 10:22
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Some comments on your answer
Your sentence: If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $K$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed.
- The $x_0$ should not be denoted like that. It depends on $delta$. So better to denote it by $x_delta$.
So $x_0$ is an isolated point. Why? You should provide a convincing argument.
Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed. Why? A closed subset may have isolated points.
Proof of the requested result
For each $xin K$, there exists $delta_x >0$ such that $(x-delta_x,x+delta_x)$ is included in one of the $U_j$. The set of open intervals $S=(x-delta_x/2,x+delta_x/2) ; x in K$ is an open cover of $K$. As $K$ is compact, one can extract from $S$ a finite open subcover $overline S = (x_1-delta_x_1/2,x_1+delta_x_1/2), dots,(x_m-delta_x_m/2,x_m+delta_x_m/2)$.
$delta = dfrac12minlimits_1 le i le m delta_x_i$ is satisfying what weâÂÂre requested. Indeed for $x in K$, it exists $i in 1, dots m$ and $j in 1, dots n$such that $x in (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j$.
Then
$$(x-delta , x+delta) subseteq (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j.
$$
Yes, I can not conclude that $x_0$ is an isolated point by that.
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Aug 14 at 10:49
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Hints: each $U_i$ is a union of open intervals. A finite number of these cover $K$. So the proof actually reduces to the case when each $U_i$ is an open interval. Arrange these intervals so that the left end points are in increasing order. Look at the intersection of adjoining intervals. Take $delta$ smaller than the lengths of these intersections.
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Some comments on your answer
Your sentence: If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $K$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed.
- The $x_0$ should not be denoted like that. It depends on $delta$. So better to denote it by $x_delta$.
So $x_0$ is an isolated point. Why? You should provide a convincing argument.
Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed. Why? A closed subset may have isolated points.
Proof of the requested result
For each $xin K$, there exists $delta_x >0$ such that $(x-delta_x,x+delta_x)$ is included in one of the $U_j$. The set of open intervals $S=(x-delta_x/2,x+delta_x/2) ; x in K$ is an open cover of $K$. As $K$ is compact, one can extract from $S$ a finite open subcover $overline S = (x_1-delta_x_1/2,x_1+delta_x_1/2), dots,(x_m-delta_x_m/2,x_m+delta_x_m/2)$.
$delta = dfrac12minlimits_1 le i le m delta_x_i$ is satisfying what weâÂÂre requested. Indeed for $x in K$, it exists $i in 1, dots m$ and $j in 1, dots n$such that $x in (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j$.
Then
$$(x-delta , x+delta) subseteq (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j.
$$
Yes, I can not conclude that $x_0$ is an isolated point by that.
â Jaqen Chou
Aug 14 at 10:49
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Some comments on your answer
Your sentence: If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $K$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed.
- The $x_0$ should not be denoted like that. It depends on $delta$. So better to denote it by $x_delta$.
So $x_0$ is an isolated point. Why? You should provide a convincing argument.
Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed. Why? A closed subset may have isolated points.
Proof of the requested result
For each $xin K$, there exists $delta_x >0$ such that $(x-delta_x,x+delta_x)$ is included in one of the $U_j$. The set of open intervals $S=(x-delta_x/2,x+delta_x/2) ; x in K$ is an open cover of $K$. As $K$ is compact, one can extract from $S$ a finite open subcover $overline S = (x_1-delta_x_1/2,x_1+delta_x_1/2), dots,(x_m-delta_x_m/2,x_m+delta_x_m/2)$.
$delta = dfrac12minlimits_1 le i le m delta_x_i$ is satisfying what weâÂÂre requested. Indeed for $x in K$, it exists $i in 1, dots m$ and $j in 1, dots n$such that $x in (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j$.
Then
$$(x-delta , x+delta) subseteq (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j.
$$
Yes, I can not conclude that $x_0$ is an isolated point by that.
â Jaqen Chou
Aug 14 at 10:49
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Some comments on your answer
Your sentence: If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $K$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed.
- The $x_0$ should not be denoted like that. It depends on $delta$. So better to denote it by $x_delta$.
So $x_0$ is an isolated point. Why? You should provide a convincing argument.
Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed. Why? A closed subset may have isolated points.
Proof of the requested result
For each $xin K$, there exists $delta_x >0$ such that $(x-delta_x,x+delta_x)$ is included in one of the $U_j$. The set of open intervals $S=(x-delta_x/2,x+delta_x/2) ; x in K$ is an open cover of $K$. As $K$ is compact, one can extract from $S$ a finite open subcover $overline S = (x_1-delta_x_1/2,x_1+delta_x_1/2), dots,(x_m-delta_x_m/2,x_m+delta_x_m/2)$.
$delta = dfrac12minlimits_1 le i le m delta_x_i$ is satisfying what weâÂÂre requested. Indeed for $x in K$, it exists $i in 1, dots m$ and $j in 1, dots n$such that $x in (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j$.
Then
$$(x-delta , x+delta) subseteq (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j.
$$
Some comments on your answer
Your sentence: If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $K$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed.
- The $x_0$ should not be denoted like that. It depends on $delta$. So better to denote it by $x_delta$.
So $x_0$ is an isolated point. Why? You should provide a convincing argument.
Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed. Why? A closed subset may have isolated points.
Proof of the requested result
For each $xin K$, there exists $delta_x >0$ such that $(x-delta_x,x+delta_x)$ is included in one of the $U_j$. The set of open intervals $S=(x-delta_x/2,x+delta_x/2) ; x in K$ is an open cover of $K$. As $K$ is compact, one can extract from $S$ a finite open subcover $overline S = (x_1-delta_x_1/2,x_1+delta_x_1/2), dots,(x_m-delta_x_m/2,x_m+delta_x_m/2)$.
$delta = dfrac12minlimits_1 le i le m delta_x_i$ is satisfying what weâÂÂre requested. Indeed for $x in K$, it exists $i in 1, dots m$ and $j in 1, dots n$such that $x in (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j$.
Then
$$(x-delta , x+delta) subseteq (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j.
$$
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Yes, I can not conclude that $x_0$ is an isolated point by that.
â Jaqen Chou
Aug 14 at 10:49
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Yes, I can not conclude that $x_0$ is an isolated point by that.
â Jaqen Chou
Aug 14 at 10:49
Yes, I can not conclude that $x_0$ is an isolated point by that.
â Jaqen Chou
Aug 14 at 10:49
Yes, I can not conclude that $x_0$ is an isolated point by that.
â Jaqen Chou
Aug 14 at 10:49
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1
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Hints: each $U_i$ is a union of open intervals. A finite number of these cover $K$. So the proof actually reduces to the case when each $U_i$ is an open interval. Arrange these intervals so that the left end points are in increasing order. Look at the intersection of adjoining intervals. Take $delta$ smaller than the lengths of these intersections.
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Hints: each $U_i$ is a union of open intervals. A finite number of these cover $K$. So the proof actually reduces to the case when each $U_i$ is an open interval. Arrange these intervals so that the left end points are in increasing order. Look at the intersection of adjoining intervals. Take $delta$ smaller than the lengths of these intersections.
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Hints: each $U_i$ is a union of open intervals. A finite number of these cover $K$. So the proof actually reduces to the case when each $U_i$ is an open interval. Arrange these intervals so that the left end points are in increasing order. Look at the intersection of adjoining intervals. Take $delta$ smaller than the lengths of these intersections.
Hints: each $U_i$ is a union of open intervals. A finite number of these cover $K$. So the proof actually reduces to the case when each $U_i$ is an open interval. Arrange these intervals so that the left end points are in increasing order. Look at the intersection of adjoining intervals. Take $delta$ smaller than the lengths of these intersections.
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What is $E$ in your argument? $delta$ with the stated property is called a Lebesgue number for the open cover. You can get a proof from Wikipedia by searching for Lebesgue number.
â Kavi Rama Murthy
Aug 14 at 10:19
@Kavi Rama Murthy sorry, it's a typo. I want to say $K$.
â Jaqen Chou
Aug 14 at 10:22