Show that there exists $deltagt0 $ , for any $xin K$ the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ lies entirely in one of the sets $U_j$.

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Let $K subset mathbbR $ be a compact set, and let $U_1cdots U_n ,nin mathbbN $ be finitely many open sets with $K subset U_1 cupcdots cup U_n$. Show that there exists $deltagt0 $ , for any $xin K$ the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ lies entirely in one of the sets $U_j$.



I was wondering if I can do this by contradiction.

If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $E$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $E$ is closed.

Any wrongness in the prove?




It seems the proof is not correct. I'll consider other ways to figure out. Every hints would be helpful. Thanks and regards.







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  • What is $E$ in your argument? $delta$ with the stated property is called a Lebesgue number for the open cover. You can get a proof from Wikipedia by searching for Lebesgue number.
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  • @Kavi Rama Murthy sorry, it's a typo. I want to say $K$.
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Let $K subset mathbbR $ be a compact set, and let $U_1cdots U_n ,nin mathbbN $ be finitely many open sets with $K subset U_1 cupcdots cup U_n$. Show that there exists $deltagt0 $ , for any $xin K$ the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ lies entirely in one of the sets $U_j$.



I was wondering if I can do this by contradiction.

If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $E$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $E$ is closed.

Any wrongness in the prove?




It seems the proof is not correct. I'll consider other ways to figure out. Every hints would be helpful. Thanks and regards.







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  • What is $E$ in your argument? $delta$ with the stated property is called a Lebesgue number for the open cover. You can get a proof from Wikipedia by searching for Lebesgue number.
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    Aug 14 at 10:19










  • @Kavi Rama Murthy sorry, it's a typo. I want to say $K$.
    – Jaqen Chou
    Aug 14 at 10:22













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Let $K subset mathbbR $ be a compact set, and let $U_1cdots U_n ,nin mathbbN $ be finitely many open sets with $K subset U_1 cupcdots cup U_n$. Show that there exists $deltagt0 $ , for any $xin K$ the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ lies entirely in one of the sets $U_j$.



I was wondering if I can do this by contradiction.

If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $E$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $E$ is closed.

Any wrongness in the prove?




It seems the proof is not correct. I'll consider other ways to figure out. Every hints would be helpful. Thanks and regards.







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Let $K subset mathbbR $ be a compact set, and let $U_1cdots U_n ,nin mathbbN $ be finitely many open sets with $K subset U_1 cupcdots cup U_n$. Show that there exists $deltagt0 $ , for any $xin K$ the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ lies entirely in one of the sets $U_j$.



I was wondering if I can do this by contradiction.

If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $E$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $E$ is closed.

Any wrongness in the prove?




It seems the proof is not correct. I'll consider other ways to figure out. Every hints would be helpful. Thanks and regards.









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  • What is $E$ in your argument? $delta$ with the stated property is called a Lebesgue number for the open cover. You can get a proof from Wikipedia by searching for Lebesgue number.
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    Aug 14 at 10:19










  • @Kavi Rama Murthy sorry, it's a typo. I want to say $K$.
    – Jaqen Chou
    Aug 14 at 10:22

















  • What is $E$ in your argument? $delta$ with the stated property is called a Lebesgue number for the open cover. You can get a proof from Wikipedia by searching for Lebesgue number.
    – Kavi Rama Murthy
    Aug 14 at 10:19










  • @Kavi Rama Murthy sorry, it's a typo. I want to say $K$.
    – Jaqen Chou
    Aug 14 at 10:22
















What is $E$ in your argument? $delta$ with the stated property is called a Lebesgue number for the open cover. You can get a proof from Wikipedia by searching for Lebesgue number.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Aug 14 at 10:19




What is $E$ in your argument? $delta$ with the stated property is called a Lebesgue number for the open cover. You can get a proof from Wikipedia by searching for Lebesgue number.
– Kavi Rama Murthy
Aug 14 at 10:19












@Kavi Rama Murthy sorry, it's a typo. I want to say $K$.
– Jaqen Chou
Aug 14 at 10:22





@Kavi Rama Murthy sorry, it's a typo. I want to say $K$.
– Jaqen Chou
Aug 14 at 10:22











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Your sentence: If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $K$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed.



  1. The $x_0$ should not be denoted like that. It depends on $delta$. So better to denote it by $x_delta$.


  2. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. Why? You should provide a convincing argument.


  3. Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed. Why? A closed subset may have isolated points.

Proof of the requested result



For each $xin K$, there exists $delta_x >0$ such that $(x-delta_x,x+delta_x)$ is included in one of the $U_j$. The set of open intervals $S=(x-delta_x/2,x+delta_x/2) ; x in K$ is an open cover of $K$. As $K$ is compact, one can extract from $S$ a finite open subcover $overline S = (x_1-delta_x_1/2,x_1+delta_x_1/2), dots,(x_m-delta_x_m/2,x_m+delta_x_m/2)$.



$delta = dfrac12minlimits_1 le i le m delta_x_i$ is satisfying what we’re requested. Indeed for $x in K$, it exists $i in 1, dots m$ and $j in 1, dots n$such that $x in (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j$.



Then
$$(x-delta , x+delta) subseteq (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j.
$$






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  • Yes, I can not conclude that $x_0$ is an isolated point by that.
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Hints: each $U_i$ is a union of open intervals. A finite number of these cover $K$. So the proof actually reduces to the case when each $U_i$ is an open interval. Arrange these intervals so that the left end points are in increasing order. Look at the intersection of adjoining intervals. Take $delta$ smaller than the lengths of these intersections.






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    Some comments on your answer



    Your sentence: If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $K$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed.



    1. The $x_0$ should not be denoted like that. It depends on $delta$. So better to denote it by $x_delta$.


    2. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. Why? You should provide a convincing argument.


    3. Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed. Why? A closed subset may have isolated points.

    Proof of the requested result



    For each $xin K$, there exists $delta_x >0$ such that $(x-delta_x,x+delta_x)$ is included in one of the $U_j$. The set of open intervals $S=(x-delta_x/2,x+delta_x/2) ; x in K$ is an open cover of $K$. As $K$ is compact, one can extract from $S$ a finite open subcover $overline S = (x_1-delta_x_1/2,x_1+delta_x_1/2), dots,(x_m-delta_x_m/2,x_m+delta_x_m/2)$.



    $delta = dfrac12minlimits_1 le i le m delta_x_i$ is satisfying what we’re requested. Indeed for $x in K$, it exists $i in 1, dots m$ and $j in 1, dots n$such that $x in (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j$.



    Then
    $$(x-delta , x+delta) subseteq (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j.
    $$






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    • Yes, I can not conclude that $x_0$ is an isolated point by that.
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    Some comments on your answer



    Your sentence: If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $K$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed.



    1. The $x_0$ should not be denoted like that. It depends on $delta$. So better to denote it by $x_delta$.


    2. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. Why? You should provide a convincing argument.


    3. Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed. Why? A closed subset may have isolated points.

    Proof of the requested result



    For each $xin K$, there exists $delta_x >0$ such that $(x-delta_x,x+delta_x)$ is included in one of the $U_j$. The set of open intervals $S=(x-delta_x/2,x+delta_x/2) ; x in K$ is an open cover of $K$. As $K$ is compact, one can extract from $S$ a finite open subcover $overline S = (x_1-delta_x_1/2,x_1+delta_x_1/2), dots,(x_m-delta_x_m/2,x_m+delta_x_m/2)$.



    $delta = dfrac12minlimits_1 le i le m delta_x_i$ is satisfying what we’re requested. Indeed for $x in K$, it exists $i in 1, dots m$ and $j in 1, dots n$such that $x in (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j$.



    Then
    $$(x-delta , x+delta) subseteq (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j.
    $$






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    • Yes, I can not conclude that $x_0$ is an isolated point by that.
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      Aug 14 at 10:49












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    Some comments on your answer



    Your sentence: If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $K$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed.



    1. The $x_0$ should not be denoted like that. It depends on $delta$. So better to denote it by $x_delta$.


    2. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. Why? You should provide a convincing argument.


    3. Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed. Why? A closed subset may have isolated points.

    Proof of the requested result



    For each $xin K$, there exists $delta_x >0$ such that $(x-delta_x,x+delta_x)$ is included in one of the $U_j$. The set of open intervals $S=(x-delta_x/2,x+delta_x/2) ; x in K$ is an open cover of $K$. As $K$ is compact, one can extract from $S$ a finite open subcover $overline S = (x_1-delta_x_1/2,x_1+delta_x_1/2), dots,(x_m-delta_x_m/2,x_m+delta_x_m/2)$.



    $delta = dfrac12minlimits_1 le i le m delta_x_i$ is satisfying what we’re requested. Indeed for $x in K$, it exists $i in 1, dots m$ and $j in 1, dots n$such that $x in (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j$.



    Then
    $$(x-delta , x+delta) subseteq (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j.
    $$






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    Some comments on your answer



    Your sentence: If for any $deltagt0$, there exists $x_0in K$ such that the interval $(x-delta,x+delta)$ do not lie in any of the sets $U_j$ hence also do not lie in $K$. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. But $K$ is compact (i.e bounded and closed). Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed.



    1. The $x_0$ should not be denoted like that. It depends on $delta$. So better to denote it by $x_delta$.


    2. So $x_0$ is an isolated point. Why? You should provide a convincing argument.


    3. Hence $x_0$ contradicts that $K$ is closed. Why? A closed subset may have isolated points.

    Proof of the requested result



    For each $xin K$, there exists $delta_x >0$ such that $(x-delta_x,x+delta_x)$ is included in one of the $U_j$. The set of open intervals $S=(x-delta_x/2,x+delta_x/2) ; x in K$ is an open cover of $K$. As $K$ is compact, one can extract from $S$ a finite open subcover $overline S = (x_1-delta_x_1/2,x_1+delta_x_1/2), dots,(x_m-delta_x_m/2,x_m+delta_x_m/2)$.



    $delta = dfrac12minlimits_1 le i le m delta_x_i$ is satisfying what we’re requested. Indeed for $x in K$, it exists $i in 1, dots m$ and $j in 1, dots n$such that $x in (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j$.



    Then
    $$(x-delta , x+delta) subseteq (x_i-delta_x_i,x_i+delta_x_i) subseteq U_j.
    $$







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    • Yes, I can not conclude that $x_0$ is an isolated point by that.
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    • Yes, I can not conclude that $x_0$ is an isolated point by that.
      – Jaqen Chou
      Aug 14 at 10:49















    Yes, I can not conclude that $x_0$ is an isolated point by that.
    – Jaqen Chou
    Aug 14 at 10:49




    Yes, I can not conclude that $x_0$ is an isolated point by that.
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    Aug 14 at 10:49










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    Hints: each $U_i$ is a union of open intervals. A finite number of these cover $K$. So the proof actually reduces to the case when each $U_i$ is an open interval. Arrange these intervals so that the left end points are in increasing order. Look at the intersection of adjoining intervals. Take $delta$ smaller than the lengths of these intersections.






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      Hints: each $U_i$ is a union of open intervals. A finite number of these cover $K$. So the proof actually reduces to the case when each $U_i$ is an open interval. Arrange these intervals so that the left end points are in increasing order. Look at the intersection of adjoining intervals. Take $delta$ smaller than the lengths of these intersections.






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        Hints: each $U_i$ is a union of open intervals. A finite number of these cover $K$. So the proof actually reduces to the case when each $U_i$ is an open interval. Arrange these intervals so that the left end points are in increasing order. Look at the intersection of adjoining intervals. Take $delta$ smaller than the lengths of these intersections.






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        Hints: each $U_i$ is a union of open intervals. A finite number of these cover $K$. So the proof actually reduces to the case when each $U_i$ is an open interval. Arrange these intervals so that the left end points are in increasing order. Look at the intersection of adjoining intervals. Take $delta$ smaller than the lengths of these intersections.







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