Method of Characteristics: Characteristic Curve Question
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I was browsing through some questions on Method of Characteristics and came across a couple solutions involving characteristic curves:
1. Solve Transport Equation using Method of Characteristics
2. Solve the PDE by method of characteristics.
This method involving the "system of characteristic differential equations" is different to the approach I was taught, and it makes a lot more sense.
The method we were told involves writing out a differential for each segment of the PDE, solving it, and applying boundary and/or initial conditions when necessary. It becomes messy and there are terms popping up, I don't really understand it, despite attempting to go through numerous example questions. I decided to study the 2 questions above.
My problem is with the second one, I just cannot understand it.
First family of characteristic curves, from $quad fracdtt^2=fracdxx^2 quadtoquad frac1t-frac1x=c_1$
My workout led to a different solution:
$$dx=fracx^2t^2dt$$
$$x=intfracx^2t^2dt$$
This allows me to divide both sides by $x^2$. Integrating $t^-2$ gives $-t^-1+C_1$. My answer is:
$$frac1x+frac1t=C_1$$
Then comes the second bit:
Second family of characteristic curves, from $quad fracdtt^2=fracdxx^2= fracfrac1tdt+frac1xdxfrac1tt^2+frac1xx^2 = fracfrac1tdt+frac1xdxt+x=fracdu(t+x)u$
$frac1tdt+frac1xdx=fracduu quadtoquad fracutx=c_2$
Which I do not understand at all.
I decided to do some algebra, and it seems that the pile comes from this:
$$fracdxx+fracdtt=0$$
Then dividing both sides by $(x+t)$, combining the two fractions, and subsequently equating it with $fracdu(t+x)u$.
I then tried to solve the equation:
$$fractdx+xdttx(x+t)=fracdu(t+x)u$$
Which gave me some natural logarithmic.
I multiplied both sides by $t+x$, and then integrated both sides:
$$fracdxx+fracdtt=fracduu$$
$$log(x)+log(t)-log(u)=C_2$$
Edit: I think this is wrong. I cannot integrate the equation with regards to 3 different differentials, right?
Raising this mess as the power of $e$ gets rid of the logs.
And, I am stuck. This looks completely different to the answer, and clearly wrong.
The first issue was likely a typo, since the negative sign was not carried through the calculations.
Any help regarding to the question is greatly appreciated. I tried looking online for material regarding to this approach and did not find anything useful. All the materials I can find does not involve "system of characteristic differential equations" but rather goes straight to various differentials. I think the second step has something to do with separation of variables.
Thanks!
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I was browsing through some questions on Method of Characteristics and came across a couple solutions involving characteristic curves:
1. Solve Transport Equation using Method of Characteristics
2. Solve the PDE by method of characteristics.
This method involving the "system of characteristic differential equations" is different to the approach I was taught, and it makes a lot more sense.
The method we were told involves writing out a differential for each segment of the PDE, solving it, and applying boundary and/or initial conditions when necessary. It becomes messy and there are terms popping up, I don't really understand it, despite attempting to go through numerous example questions. I decided to study the 2 questions above.
My problem is with the second one, I just cannot understand it.
First family of characteristic curves, from $quad fracdtt^2=fracdxx^2 quadtoquad frac1t-frac1x=c_1$
My workout led to a different solution:
$$dx=fracx^2t^2dt$$
$$x=intfracx^2t^2dt$$
This allows me to divide both sides by $x^2$. Integrating $t^-2$ gives $-t^-1+C_1$. My answer is:
$$frac1x+frac1t=C_1$$
Then comes the second bit:
Second family of characteristic curves, from $quad fracdtt^2=fracdxx^2= fracfrac1tdt+frac1xdxfrac1tt^2+frac1xx^2 = fracfrac1tdt+frac1xdxt+x=fracdu(t+x)u$
$frac1tdt+frac1xdx=fracduu quadtoquad fracutx=c_2$
Which I do not understand at all.
I decided to do some algebra, and it seems that the pile comes from this:
$$fracdxx+fracdtt=0$$
Then dividing both sides by $(x+t)$, combining the two fractions, and subsequently equating it with $fracdu(t+x)u$.
I then tried to solve the equation:
$$fractdx+xdttx(x+t)=fracdu(t+x)u$$
Which gave me some natural logarithmic.
I multiplied both sides by $t+x$, and then integrated both sides:
$$fracdxx+fracdtt=fracduu$$
$$log(x)+log(t)-log(u)=C_2$$
Edit: I think this is wrong. I cannot integrate the equation with regards to 3 different differentials, right?
Raising this mess as the power of $e$ gets rid of the logs.
And, I am stuck. This looks completely different to the answer, and clearly wrong.
The first issue was likely a typo, since the negative sign was not carried through the calculations.
Any help regarding to the question is greatly appreciated. I tried looking online for material regarding to this approach and did not find anything useful. All the materials I can find does not involve "system of characteristic differential equations" but rather goes straight to various differentials. I think the second step has something to do with separation of variables.
Thanks!
pde initial-value-problems characteristics
I found this article: www1.maths.leeds.ac.uk/~kersale/Teach/M3414/Notes/m3414_1.pdf I'll give it a read.
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Aug 28 at 14:26
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I was browsing through some questions on Method of Characteristics and came across a couple solutions involving characteristic curves:
1. Solve Transport Equation using Method of Characteristics
2. Solve the PDE by method of characteristics.
This method involving the "system of characteristic differential equations" is different to the approach I was taught, and it makes a lot more sense.
The method we were told involves writing out a differential for each segment of the PDE, solving it, and applying boundary and/or initial conditions when necessary. It becomes messy and there are terms popping up, I don't really understand it, despite attempting to go through numerous example questions. I decided to study the 2 questions above.
My problem is with the second one, I just cannot understand it.
First family of characteristic curves, from $quad fracdtt^2=fracdxx^2 quadtoquad frac1t-frac1x=c_1$
My workout led to a different solution:
$$dx=fracx^2t^2dt$$
$$x=intfracx^2t^2dt$$
This allows me to divide both sides by $x^2$. Integrating $t^-2$ gives $-t^-1+C_1$. My answer is:
$$frac1x+frac1t=C_1$$
Then comes the second bit:
Second family of characteristic curves, from $quad fracdtt^2=fracdxx^2= fracfrac1tdt+frac1xdxfrac1tt^2+frac1xx^2 = fracfrac1tdt+frac1xdxt+x=fracdu(t+x)u$
$frac1tdt+frac1xdx=fracduu quadtoquad fracutx=c_2$
Which I do not understand at all.
I decided to do some algebra, and it seems that the pile comes from this:
$$fracdxx+fracdtt=0$$
Then dividing both sides by $(x+t)$, combining the two fractions, and subsequently equating it with $fracdu(t+x)u$.
I then tried to solve the equation:
$$fractdx+xdttx(x+t)=fracdu(t+x)u$$
Which gave me some natural logarithmic.
I multiplied both sides by $t+x$, and then integrated both sides:
$$fracdxx+fracdtt=fracduu$$
$$log(x)+log(t)-log(u)=C_2$$
Edit: I think this is wrong. I cannot integrate the equation with regards to 3 different differentials, right?
Raising this mess as the power of $e$ gets rid of the logs.
And, I am stuck. This looks completely different to the answer, and clearly wrong.
The first issue was likely a typo, since the negative sign was not carried through the calculations.
Any help regarding to the question is greatly appreciated. I tried looking online for material regarding to this approach and did not find anything useful. All the materials I can find does not involve "system of characteristic differential equations" but rather goes straight to various differentials. I think the second step has something to do with separation of variables.
Thanks!
pde initial-value-problems characteristics
I was browsing through some questions on Method of Characteristics and came across a couple solutions involving characteristic curves:
1. Solve Transport Equation using Method of Characteristics
2. Solve the PDE by method of characteristics.
This method involving the "system of characteristic differential equations" is different to the approach I was taught, and it makes a lot more sense.
The method we were told involves writing out a differential for each segment of the PDE, solving it, and applying boundary and/or initial conditions when necessary. It becomes messy and there are terms popping up, I don't really understand it, despite attempting to go through numerous example questions. I decided to study the 2 questions above.
My problem is with the second one, I just cannot understand it.
First family of characteristic curves, from $quad fracdtt^2=fracdxx^2 quadtoquad frac1t-frac1x=c_1$
My workout led to a different solution:
$$dx=fracx^2t^2dt$$
$$x=intfracx^2t^2dt$$
This allows me to divide both sides by $x^2$. Integrating $t^-2$ gives $-t^-1+C_1$. My answer is:
$$frac1x+frac1t=C_1$$
Then comes the second bit:
Second family of characteristic curves, from $quad fracdtt^2=fracdxx^2= fracfrac1tdt+frac1xdxfrac1tt^2+frac1xx^2 = fracfrac1tdt+frac1xdxt+x=fracdu(t+x)u$
$frac1tdt+frac1xdx=fracduu quadtoquad fracutx=c_2$
Which I do not understand at all.
I decided to do some algebra, and it seems that the pile comes from this:
$$fracdxx+fracdtt=0$$
Then dividing both sides by $(x+t)$, combining the two fractions, and subsequently equating it with $fracdu(t+x)u$.
I then tried to solve the equation:
$$fractdx+xdttx(x+t)=fracdu(t+x)u$$
Which gave me some natural logarithmic.
I multiplied both sides by $t+x$, and then integrated both sides:
$$fracdxx+fracdtt=fracduu$$
$$log(x)+log(t)-log(u)=C_2$$
Edit: I think this is wrong. I cannot integrate the equation with regards to 3 different differentials, right?
Raising this mess as the power of $e$ gets rid of the logs.
And, I am stuck. This looks completely different to the answer, and clearly wrong.
The first issue was likely a typo, since the negative sign was not carried through the calculations.
Any help regarding to the question is greatly appreciated. I tried looking online for material regarding to this approach and did not find anything useful. All the materials I can find does not involve "system of characteristic differential equations" but rather goes straight to various differentials. I think the second step has something to do with separation of variables.
Thanks!
pde initial-value-problems characteristics
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I found this article: www1.maths.leeds.ac.uk/~kersale/Teach/M3414/Notes/m3414_1.pdf I'll give it a read.
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Aug 28 at 14:26
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I found this article: www1.maths.leeds.ac.uk/~kersale/Teach/M3414/Notes/m3414_1.pdf I'll give it a read.
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 14:26
I found this article: www1.maths.leeds.ac.uk/~kersale/Teach/M3414/Notes/m3414_1.pdf I'll give it a read.
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 14:26
I found this article: www1.maths.leeds.ac.uk/~kersale/Teach/M3414/Notes/m3414_1.pdf I'll give it a read.
â Hypergeometry
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First family: âÂÂThis allows me to divide both sides by $x^2$.â No, you can't. The variables $x$ and $t$ are not independent, so you can't take $x^2$ outside of the $t$ integral.
What you have is
$$dt/t^2= dx/x^2 iff d(-1/t)=d(-1/x) iff d(1/t-1/x)=0 iff 1/t-1/x=c_1.$$
Second family: If $A=B$, then $(tA+xB)/(t+x)=(tA+xA)/(t+x)=A(t+x)/(t+x)=A$ (which also equals $B$). That is,
$$
A=B
quadimpliesquad
A = B = fractA+xBt+x
.
$$
The computation starts out by applying this identity with $A=dt/t^2$ and $B=dx/x^2$.
And then you get
$$
dt/t + dx/x = du/u
iff
d ln|t| + d ln|x| = d ln|u|
iff
d ln|tfracuxt|=0
iff
tfracuxt=c_2
.
$$
(If the logarithm of the absolute value of something is constant, then that something itself is constant too.)
Thanks! I realised the division problem after attempting another problem, doing the same thing, and it led to nonsense. I'll try to comprehend the second family.
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 14:49
Alright, the relation $A=B=fractA+xBt+x$ is essentially lowering the order two relationship to order one, right? Where does the term $t+x$ go though? There seems to be many clever tricks of this sort, our teacher simply told us to "remember them" is there a good paper online that I may go through to get a hold of it? Thanks for the help so far, greatly appreciated!
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 15:07
You multiply by $t+x$ on both sides. And yes, that $(tA+xB)/(t+x)$ thing was indeed clever; I don't know if I would have come up with that... You'll have to ask the original answerer where that came from!
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 28 at 17:03
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1 Answer
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First family: âÂÂThis allows me to divide both sides by $x^2$.â No, you can't. The variables $x$ and $t$ are not independent, so you can't take $x^2$ outside of the $t$ integral.
What you have is
$$dt/t^2= dx/x^2 iff d(-1/t)=d(-1/x) iff d(1/t-1/x)=0 iff 1/t-1/x=c_1.$$
Second family: If $A=B$, then $(tA+xB)/(t+x)=(tA+xA)/(t+x)=A(t+x)/(t+x)=A$ (which also equals $B$). That is,
$$
A=B
quadimpliesquad
A = B = fractA+xBt+x
.
$$
The computation starts out by applying this identity with $A=dt/t^2$ and $B=dx/x^2$.
And then you get
$$
dt/t + dx/x = du/u
iff
d ln|t| + d ln|x| = d ln|u|
iff
d ln|tfracuxt|=0
iff
tfracuxt=c_2
.
$$
(If the logarithm of the absolute value of something is constant, then that something itself is constant too.)
Thanks! I realised the division problem after attempting another problem, doing the same thing, and it led to nonsense. I'll try to comprehend the second family.
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 14:49
Alright, the relation $A=B=fractA+xBt+x$ is essentially lowering the order two relationship to order one, right? Where does the term $t+x$ go though? There seems to be many clever tricks of this sort, our teacher simply told us to "remember them" is there a good paper online that I may go through to get a hold of it? Thanks for the help so far, greatly appreciated!
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 15:07
You multiply by $t+x$ on both sides. And yes, that $(tA+xB)/(t+x)$ thing was indeed clever; I don't know if I would have come up with that... You'll have to ask the original answerer where that came from!
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 28 at 17:03
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
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First family: âÂÂThis allows me to divide both sides by $x^2$.â No, you can't. The variables $x$ and $t$ are not independent, so you can't take $x^2$ outside of the $t$ integral.
What you have is
$$dt/t^2= dx/x^2 iff d(-1/t)=d(-1/x) iff d(1/t-1/x)=0 iff 1/t-1/x=c_1.$$
Second family: If $A=B$, then $(tA+xB)/(t+x)=(tA+xA)/(t+x)=A(t+x)/(t+x)=A$ (which also equals $B$). That is,
$$
A=B
quadimpliesquad
A = B = fractA+xBt+x
.
$$
The computation starts out by applying this identity with $A=dt/t^2$ and $B=dx/x^2$.
And then you get
$$
dt/t + dx/x = du/u
iff
d ln|t| + d ln|x| = d ln|u|
iff
d ln|tfracuxt|=0
iff
tfracuxt=c_2
.
$$
(If the logarithm of the absolute value of something is constant, then that something itself is constant too.)
Thanks! I realised the division problem after attempting another problem, doing the same thing, and it led to nonsense. I'll try to comprehend the second family.
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 14:49
Alright, the relation $A=B=fractA+xBt+x$ is essentially lowering the order two relationship to order one, right? Where does the term $t+x$ go though? There seems to be many clever tricks of this sort, our teacher simply told us to "remember them" is there a good paper online that I may go through to get a hold of it? Thanks for the help so far, greatly appreciated!
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 15:07
You multiply by $t+x$ on both sides. And yes, that $(tA+xB)/(t+x)$ thing was indeed clever; I don't know if I would have come up with that... You'll have to ask the original answerer where that came from!
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 28 at 17:03
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
accepted
up vote
0
down vote
accepted
First family: âÂÂThis allows me to divide both sides by $x^2$.â No, you can't. The variables $x$ and $t$ are not independent, so you can't take $x^2$ outside of the $t$ integral.
What you have is
$$dt/t^2= dx/x^2 iff d(-1/t)=d(-1/x) iff d(1/t-1/x)=0 iff 1/t-1/x=c_1.$$
Second family: If $A=B$, then $(tA+xB)/(t+x)=(tA+xA)/(t+x)=A(t+x)/(t+x)=A$ (which also equals $B$). That is,
$$
A=B
quadimpliesquad
A = B = fractA+xBt+x
.
$$
The computation starts out by applying this identity with $A=dt/t^2$ and $B=dx/x^2$.
And then you get
$$
dt/t + dx/x = du/u
iff
d ln|t| + d ln|x| = d ln|u|
iff
d ln|tfracuxt|=0
iff
tfracuxt=c_2
.
$$
(If the logarithm of the absolute value of something is constant, then that something itself is constant too.)
First family: âÂÂThis allows me to divide both sides by $x^2$.â No, you can't. The variables $x$ and $t$ are not independent, so you can't take $x^2$ outside of the $t$ integral.
What you have is
$$dt/t^2= dx/x^2 iff d(-1/t)=d(-1/x) iff d(1/t-1/x)=0 iff 1/t-1/x=c_1.$$
Second family: If $A=B$, then $(tA+xB)/(t+x)=(tA+xA)/(t+x)=A(t+x)/(t+x)=A$ (which also equals $B$). That is,
$$
A=B
quadimpliesquad
A = B = fractA+xBt+x
.
$$
The computation starts out by applying this identity with $A=dt/t^2$ and $B=dx/x^2$.
And then you get
$$
dt/t + dx/x = du/u
iff
d ln|t| + d ln|x| = d ln|u|
iff
d ln|tfracuxt|=0
iff
tfracuxt=c_2
.
$$
(If the logarithm of the absolute value of something is constant, then that something itself is constant too.)
answered Aug 28 at 14:44
Hans Lundmark
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Thanks! I realised the division problem after attempting another problem, doing the same thing, and it led to nonsense. I'll try to comprehend the second family.
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 14:49
Alright, the relation $A=B=fractA+xBt+x$ is essentially lowering the order two relationship to order one, right? Where does the term $t+x$ go though? There seems to be many clever tricks of this sort, our teacher simply told us to "remember them" is there a good paper online that I may go through to get a hold of it? Thanks for the help so far, greatly appreciated!
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 15:07
You multiply by $t+x$ on both sides. And yes, that $(tA+xB)/(t+x)$ thing was indeed clever; I don't know if I would have come up with that... You'll have to ask the original answerer where that came from!
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 28 at 17:03
add a comment |Â
Thanks! I realised the division problem after attempting another problem, doing the same thing, and it led to nonsense. I'll try to comprehend the second family.
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 14:49
Alright, the relation $A=B=fractA+xBt+x$ is essentially lowering the order two relationship to order one, right? Where does the term $t+x$ go though? There seems to be many clever tricks of this sort, our teacher simply told us to "remember them" is there a good paper online that I may go through to get a hold of it? Thanks for the help so far, greatly appreciated!
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 15:07
You multiply by $t+x$ on both sides. And yes, that $(tA+xB)/(t+x)$ thing was indeed clever; I don't know if I would have come up with that... You'll have to ask the original answerer where that came from!
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 28 at 17:03
Thanks! I realised the division problem after attempting another problem, doing the same thing, and it led to nonsense. I'll try to comprehend the second family.
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 14:49
Thanks! I realised the division problem after attempting another problem, doing the same thing, and it led to nonsense. I'll try to comprehend the second family.
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 14:49
Alright, the relation $A=B=fractA+xBt+x$ is essentially lowering the order two relationship to order one, right? Where does the term $t+x$ go though? There seems to be many clever tricks of this sort, our teacher simply told us to "remember them" is there a good paper online that I may go through to get a hold of it? Thanks for the help so far, greatly appreciated!
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 15:07
Alright, the relation $A=B=fractA+xBt+x$ is essentially lowering the order two relationship to order one, right? Where does the term $t+x$ go though? There seems to be many clever tricks of this sort, our teacher simply told us to "remember them" is there a good paper online that I may go through to get a hold of it? Thanks for the help so far, greatly appreciated!
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 15:07
You multiply by $t+x$ on both sides. And yes, that $(tA+xB)/(t+x)$ thing was indeed clever; I don't know if I would have come up with that... You'll have to ask the original answerer where that came from!
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 28 at 17:03
You multiply by $t+x$ on both sides. And yes, that $(tA+xB)/(t+x)$ thing was indeed clever; I don't know if I would have come up with that... You'll have to ask the original answerer where that came from!
â Hans Lundmark
Aug 28 at 17:03
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I found this article: www1.maths.leeds.ac.uk/~kersale/Teach/M3414/Notes/m3414_1.pdf I'll give it a read.
â Hypergeometry
Aug 28 at 14:26