Convergence of integrals by examining the sum

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I am just looking for someone to tell me if my reasoning is correct. Let's look at the integral:
$$int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx$$
where $a$ is a real number. Is it valid to say that the integral will converge when the sum converges:
$$ int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx sim sum^infty_n = 0 fracn^an + 1$$
So:



  • for $a < 0$ the first term is undefined

  • for $a=0$ the sum diverges

  • for $a>1$ the sum diverges

  • for $0<a<1$ the sum converges

Is it valid to conclude that the integral converges only for $0<a<1$? Does this reasoning work for other integrals of this type, is there something I should pay attention to?







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    I am just looking for someone to tell me if my reasoning is correct. Let's look at the integral:
    $$int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx$$
    where $a$ is a real number. Is it valid to say that the integral will converge when the sum converges:
    $$ int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx sim sum^infty_n = 0 fracn^an + 1$$
    So:



    • for $a < 0$ the first term is undefined

    • for $a=0$ the sum diverges

    • for $a>1$ the sum diverges

    • for $0<a<1$ the sum converges

    Is it valid to conclude that the integral converges only for $0<a<1$? Does this reasoning work for other integrals of this type, is there something I should pay attention to?







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      I am just looking for someone to tell me if my reasoning is correct. Let's look at the integral:
      $$int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx$$
      where $a$ is a real number. Is it valid to say that the integral will converge when the sum converges:
      $$ int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx sim sum^infty_n = 0 fracn^an + 1$$
      So:



      • for $a < 0$ the first term is undefined

      • for $a=0$ the sum diverges

      • for $a>1$ the sum diverges

      • for $0<a<1$ the sum converges

      Is it valid to conclude that the integral converges only for $0<a<1$? Does this reasoning work for other integrals of this type, is there something I should pay attention to?







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      I am just looking for someone to tell me if my reasoning is correct. Let's look at the integral:
      $$int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx$$
      where $a$ is a real number. Is it valid to say that the integral will converge when the sum converges:
      $$ int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx sim sum^infty_n = 0 fracn^an + 1$$
      So:



      • for $a < 0$ the first term is undefined

      • for $a=0$ the sum diverges

      • for $a>1$ the sum diverges

      • for $0<a<1$ the sum converges

      Is it valid to conclude that the integral converges only for $0<a<1$? Does this reasoning work for other integrals of this type, is there something I should pay attention to?









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          No it is not a valid method in general, for the convergence we need to show that for some convergent $sum a_n$



          $$0le int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx lesum^infty_n = 0 a_n$$



          As an alternative note that for $age0$



          $$fracx^ax + 1sim x^a-1=frac1x^1-a$$



          and for $a<0$ let $b=-a>0$



          $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)$$



          and



          • as $xto 0^+ implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$


          • as $xto infty implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b+1$


          then refer to limit comparison test to conclude that the given integral converges for $ain(-1,0)$.






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          • I am somewhat conflicted, I do understand that I would have a hyperharmonic series for negative $a$ but the first term troubles me. Any insight on that?
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:14










          • @user1949350 You could simply discard it, since the convergence is only related to terms with sufficiently large indices.
            – xbh
            Aug 28 at 17:19










          • Perhaps I haven't worded it properly. Let's say I choose $a=-1$, then I would have(for $n=0$): $$frac1n(n+1) = frac10 $$
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:20











          • @user1949350 for a negative let $a=-b$ we have that at $x to 0$ $$fracx^ax + 1 =frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$$ which converges for $0<b<1$ and at $xto infty$ $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)sim frac1x^b+1$$ which converges for any $b$.
            – gimusi
            Aug 28 at 17:21











          • So in order for it to converge for all $x>0$ I need $$-1<a<0$$?
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:24

















          up vote
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          No, you cannot assert that the integral converges for $0 < a < 1$. Using comparison test you would notice that
          $$
          frac x^a1+x sim frac 1x^1-a quad [n to infty],
          $$
          and $int_A^infty (1/ x^p) mathrm dx ;[A>0]$ converges iff $p > 1$. Hence the integral converges when and only when $colorreda < 0$ [WRONG HERE, see UPDATE 2].



          Meanwhile, the series is also diverges by similar testing method.




          There is a test for convergence of series: integral test. However this requires the function be decreasing. So generally you cannot use the correspondent series to test the convergence for this kind of improper integrals [although I do not know the counterexample when $f$ is not decreasing. Any comments about this are welcome].



          UPDATE



          Thanks to @RobertIsrael, the integral test is applicable to your question since $f(x) = x^a /(x+1)$ is monotonic for sufficiently large $x$.



          UPDATE 2



          I was wrong in the comparison test above. When $a < 0$, the point $0$ would also be questionable. Combining the asymptotic behavior as $x to 0^+$ and $x to +infty$, the conclusion should be: the integral converges iff $boldsymbol 0 < a < 1$.






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          • Although it's not decreasing on all of $(0,infty)$, it is either decreasing for sufficiently large $x$ or increasing for sufficiently large $x$, and that's enough to allow the Integral Test to be used.
            – Robert Israel
            Aug 28 at 17:21










          • +1 but I don't like the idea you commented to simply discard the term. I cannot wrap my mind around the idea that if one term is undefined the sum can converge.
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:41










          • @user1949350 Then you could probably use other method, since this one does not work.
            – xbh
            Aug 28 at 17:44










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          No it is not a valid method in general, for the convergence we need to show that for some convergent $sum a_n$



          $$0le int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx lesum^infty_n = 0 a_n$$



          As an alternative note that for $age0$



          $$fracx^ax + 1sim x^a-1=frac1x^1-a$$



          and for $a<0$ let $b=-a>0$



          $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)$$



          and



          • as $xto 0^+ implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$


          • as $xto infty implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b+1$


          then refer to limit comparison test to conclude that the given integral converges for $ain(-1,0)$.






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          • I am somewhat conflicted, I do understand that I would have a hyperharmonic series for negative $a$ but the first term troubles me. Any insight on that?
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:14










          • @user1949350 You could simply discard it, since the convergence is only related to terms with sufficiently large indices.
            – xbh
            Aug 28 at 17:19










          • Perhaps I haven't worded it properly. Let's say I choose $a=-1$, then I would have(for $n=0$): $$frac1n(n+1) = frac10 $$
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:20











          • @user1949350 for a negative let $a=-b$ we have that at $x to 0$ $$fracx^ax + 1 =frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$$ which converges for $0<b<1$ and at $xto infty$ $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)sim frac1x^b+1$$ which converges for any $b$.
            – gimusi
            Aug 28 at 17:21











          • So in order for it to converge for all $x>0$ I need $$-1<a<0$$?
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:24














          up vote
          1
          down vote



          accepted










          No it is not a valid method in general, for the convergence we need to show that for some convergent $sum a_n$



          $$0le int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx lesum^infty_n = 0 a_n$$



          As an alternative note that for $age0$



          $$fracx^ax + 1sim x^a-1=frac1x^1-a$$



          and for $a<0$ let $b=-a>0$



          $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)$$



          and



          • as $xto 0^+ implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$


          • as $xto infty implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b+1$


          then refer to limit comparison test to conclude that the given integral converges for $ain(-1,0)$.






          share|cite|improve this answer






















          • I am somewhat conflicted, I do understand that I would have a hyperharmonic series for negative $a$ but the first term troubles me. Any insight on that?
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:14










          • @user1949350 You could simply discard it, since the convergence is only related to terms with sufficiently large indices.
            – xbh
            Aug 28 at 17:19










          • Perhaps I haven't worded it properly. Let's say I choose $a=-1$, then I would have(for $n=0$): $$frac1n(n+1) = frac10 $$
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:20











          • @user1949350 for a negative let $a=-b$ we have that at $x to 0$ $$fracx^ax + 1 =frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$$ which converges for $0<b<1$ and at $xto infty$ $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)sim frac1x^b+1$$ which converges for any $b$.
            – gimusi
            Aug 28 at 17:21











          • So in order for it to converge for all $x>0$ I need $$-1<a<0$$?
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:24












          up vote
          1
          down vote



          accepted







          up vote
          1
          down vote



          accepted






          No it is not a valid method in general, for the convergence we need to show that for some convergent $sum a_n$



          $$0le int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx lesum^infty_n = 0 a_n$$



          As an alternative note that for $age0$



          $$fracx^ax + 1sim x^a-1=frac1x^1-a$$



          and for $a<0$ let $b=-a>0$



          $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)$$



          and



          • as $xto 0^+ implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$


          • as $xto infty implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b+1$


          then refer to limit comparison test to conclude that the given integral converges for $ain(-1,0)$.






          share|cite|improve this answer














          No it is not a valid method in general, for the convergence we need to show that for some convergent $sum a_n$



          $$0le int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx lesum^infty_n = 0 a_n$$



          As an alternative note that for $age0$



          $$fracx^ax + 1sim x^a-1=frac1x^1-a$$



          and for $a<0$ let $b=-a>0$



          $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)$$



          and



          • as $xto 0^+ implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$


          • as $xto infty implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b+1$


          then refer to limit comparison test to conclude that the given integral converges for $ain(-1,0)$.







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          answered Aug 28 at 17:12









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          • I am somewhat conflicted, I do understand that I would have a hyperharmonic series for negative $a$ but the first term troubles me. Any insight on that?
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:14










          • @user1949350 You could simply discard it, since the convergence is only related to terms with sufficiently large indices.
            – xbh
            Aug 28 at 17:19










          • Perhaps I haven't worded it properly. Let's say I choose $a=-1$, then I would have(for $n=0$): $$frac1n(n+1) = frac10 $$
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:20











          • @user1949350 for a negative let $a=-b$ we have that at $x to 0$ $$fracx^ax + 1 =frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$$ which converges for $0<b<1$ and at $xto infty$ $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)sim frac1x^b+1$$ which converges for any $b$.
            – gimusi
            Aug 28 at 17:21











          • So in order for it to converge for all $x>0$ I need $$-1<a<0$$?
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:24
















          • I am somewhat conflicted, I do understand that I would have a hyperharmonic series for negative $a$ but the first term troubles me. Any insight on that?
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:14










          • @user1949350 You could simply discard it, since the convergence is only related to terms with sufficiently large indices.
            – xbh
            Aug 28 at 17:19










          • Perhaps I haven't worded it properly. Let's say I choose $a=-1$, then I would have(for $n=0$): $$frac1n(n+1) = frac10 $$
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:20











          • @user1949350 for a negative let $a=-b$ we have that at $x to 0$ $$fracx^ax + 1 =frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$$ which converges for $0<b<1$ and at $xto infty$ $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)sim frac1x^b+1$$ which converges for any $b$.
            – gimusi
            Aug 28 at 17:21











          • So in order for it to converge for all $x>0$ I need $$-1<a<0$$?
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:24















          I am somewhat conflicted, I do understand that I would have a hyperharmonic series for negative $a$ but the first term troubles me. Any insight on that?
          – user1949350
          Aug 28 at 17:14




          I am somewhat conflicted, I do understand that I would have a hyperharmonic series for negative $a$ but the first term troubles me. Any insight on that?
          – user1949350
          Aug 28 at 17:14












          @user1949350 You could simply discard it, since the convergence is only related to terms with sufficiently large indices.
          – xbh
          Aug 28 at 17:19




          @user1949350 You could simply discard it, since the convergence is only related to terms with sufficiently large indices.
          – xbh
          Aug 28 at 17:19












          Perhaps I haven't worded it properly. Let's say I choose $a=-1$, then I would have(for $n=0$): $$frac1n(n+1) = frac10 $$
          – user1949350
          Aug 28 at 17:20





          Perhaps I haven't worded it properly. Let's say I choose $a=-1$, then I would have(for $n=0$): $$frac1n(n+1) = frac10 $$
          – user1949350
          Aug 28 at 17:20













          @user1949350 for a negative let $a=-b$ we have that at $x to 0$ $$fracx^ax + 1 =frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$$ which converges for $0<b<1$ and at $xto infty$ $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)sim frac1x^b+1$$ which converges for any $b$.
          – gimusi
          Aug 28 at 17:21





          @user1949350 for a negative let $a=-b$ we have that at $x to 0$ $$fracx^ax + 1 =frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$$ which converges for $0<b<1$ and at $xto infty$ $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)sim frac1x^b+1$$ which converges for any $b$.
          – gimusi
          Aug 28 at 17:21













          So in order for it to converge for all $x>0$ I need $$-1<a<0$$?
          – user1949350
          Aug 28 at 17:24




          So in order for it to converge for all $x>0$ I need $$-1<a<0$$?
          – user1949350
          Aug 28 at 17:24










          up vote
          1
          down vote













          No, you cannot assert that the integral converges for $0 < a < 1$. Using comparison test you would notice that
          $$
          frac x^a1+x sim frac 1x^1-a quad [n to infty],
          $$
          and $int_A^infty (1/ x^p) mathrm dx ;[A>0]$ converges iff $p > 1$. Hence the integral converges when and only when $colorreda < 0$ [WRONG HERE, see UPDATE 2].



          Meanwhile, the series is also diverges by similar testing method.




          There is a test for convergence of series: integral test. However this requires the function be decreasing. So generally you cannot use the correspondent series to test the convergence for this kind of improper integrals [although I do not know the counterexample when $f$ is not decreasing. Any comments about this are welcome].



          UPDATE



          Thanks to @RobertIsrael, the integral test is applicable to your question since $f(x) = x^a /(x+1)$ is monotonic for sufficiently large $x$.



          UPDATE 2



          I was wrong in the comparison test above. When $a < 0$, the point $0$ would also be questionable. Combining the asymptotic behavior as $x to 0^+$ and $x to +infty$, the conclusion should be: the integral converges iff $boldsymbol 0 < a < 1$.






          share|cite|improve this answer






















          • Although it's not decreasing on all of $(0,infty)$, it is either decreasing for sufficiently large $x$ or increasing for sufficiently large $x$, and that's enough to allow the Integral Test to be used.
            – Robert Israel
            Aug 28 at 17:21










          • +1 but I don't like the idea you commented to simply discard the term. I cannot wrap my mind around the idea that if one term is undefined the sum can converge.
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:41










          • @user1949350 Then you could probably use other method, since this one does not work.
            – xbh
            Aug 28 at 17:44














          up vote
          1
          down vote













          No, you cannot assert that the integral converges for $0 < a < 1$. Using comparison test you would notice that
          $$
          frac x^a1+x sim frac 1x^1-a quad [n to infty],
          $$
          and $int_A^infty (1/ x^p) mathrm dx ;[A>0]$ converges iff $p > 1$. Hence the integral converges when and only when $colorreda < 0$ [WRONG HERE, see UPDATE 2].



          Meanwhile, the series is also diverges by similar testing method.




          There is a test for convergence of series: integral test. However this requires the function be decreasing. So generally you cannot use the correspondent series to test the convergence for this kind of improper integrals [although I do not know the counterexample when $f$ is not decreasing. Any comments about this are welcome].



          UPDATE



          Thanks to @RobertIsrael, the integral test is applicable to your question since $f(x) = x^a /(x+1)$ is monotonic for sufficiently large $x$.



          UPDATE 2



          I was wrong in the comparison test above. When $a < 0$, the point $0$ would also be questionable. Combining the asymptotic behavior as $x to 0^+$ and $x to +infty$, the conclusion should be: the integral converges iff $boldsymbol 0 < a < 1$.






          share|cite|improve this answer






















          • Although it's not decreasing on all of $(0,infty)$, it is either decreasing for sufficiently large $x$ or increasing for sufficiently large $x$, and that's enough to allow the Integral Test to be used.
            – Robert Israel
            Aug 28 at 17:21










          • +1 but I don't like the idea you commented to simply discard the term. I cannot wrap my mind around the idea that if one term is undefined the sum can converge.
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:41










          • @user1949350 Then you could probably use other method, since this one does not work.
            – xbh
            Aug 28 at 17:44












          up vote
          1
          down vote










          up vote
          1
          down vote









          No, you cannot assert that the integral converges for $0 < a < 1$. Using comparison test you would notice that
          $$
          frac x^a1+x sim frac 1x^1-a quad [n to infty],
          $$
          and $int_A^infty (1/ x^p) mathrm dx ;[A>0]$ converges iff $p > 1$. Hence the integral converges when and only when $colorreda < 0$ [WRONG HERE, see UPDATE 2].



          Meanwhile, the series is also diverges by similar testing method.




          There is a test for convergence of series: integral test. However this requires the function be decreasing. So generally you cannot use the correspondent series to test the convergence for this kind of improper integrals [although I do not know the counterexample when $f$ is not decreasing. Any comments about this are welcome].



          UPDATE



          Thanks to @RobertIsrael, the integral test is applicable to your question since $f(x) = x^a /(x+1)$ is monotonic for sufficiently large $x$.



          UPDATE 2



          I was wrong in the comparison test above. When $a < 0$, the point $0$ would also be questionable. Combining the asymptotic behavior as $x to 0^+$ and $x to +infty$, the conclusion should be: the integral converges iff $boldsymbol 0 < a < 1$.






          share|cite|improve this answer














          No, you cannot assert that the integral converges for $0 < a < 1$. Using comparison test you would notice that
          $$
          frac x^a1+x sim frac 1x^1-a quad [n to infty],
          $$
          and $int_A^infty (1/ x^p) mathrm dx ;[A>0]$ converges iff $p > 1$. Hence the integral converges when and only when $colorreda < 0$ [WRONG HERE, see UPDATE 2].



          Meanwhile, the series is also diverges by similar testing method.




          There is a test for convergence of series: integral test. However this requires the function be decreasing. So generally you cannot use the correspondent series to test the convergence for this kind of improper integrals [although I do not know the counterexample when $f$ is not decreasing. Any comments about this are welcome].



          UPDATE



          Thanks to @RobertIsrael, the integral test is applicable to your question since $f(x) = x^a /(x+1)$ is monotonic for sufficiently large $x$.



          UPDATE 2



          I was wrong in the comparison test above. When $a < 0$, the point $0$ would also be questionable. Combining the asymptotic behavior as $x to 0^+$ and $x to +infty$, the conclusion should be: the integral converges iff $boldsymbol 0 < a < 1$.







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          answered Aug 28 at 17:16









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          • Although it's not decreasing on all of $(0,infty)$, it is either decreasing for sufficiently large $x$ or increasing for sufficiently large $x$, and that's enough to allow the Integral Test to be used.
            – Robert Israel
            Aug 28 at 17:21










          • +1 but I don't like the idea you commented to simply discard the term. I cannot wrap my mind around the idea that if one term is undefined the sum can converge.
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:41










          • @user1949350 Then you could probably use other method, since this one does not work.
            – xbh
            Aug 28 at 17:44
















          • Although it's not decreasing on all of $(0,infty)$, it is either decreasing for sufficiently large $x$ or increasing for sufficiently large $x$, and that's enough to allow the Integral Test to be used.
            – Robert Israel
            Aug 28 at 17:21










          • +1 but I don't like the idea you commented to simply discard the term. I cannot wrap my mind around the idea that if one term is undefined the sum can converge.
            – user1949350
            Aug 28 at 17:41










          • @user1949350 Then you could probably use other method, since this one does not work.
            – xbh
            Aug 28 at 17:44















          Although it's not decreasing on all of $(0,infty)$, it is either decreasing for sufficiently large $x$ or increasing for sufficiently large $x$, and that's enough to allow the Integral Test to be used.
          – Robert Israel
          Aug 28 at 17:21




          Although it's not decreasing on all of $(0,infty)$, it is either decreasing for sufficiently large $x$ or increasing for sufficiently large $x$, and that's enough to allow the Integral Test to be used.
          – Robert Israel
          Aug 28 at 17:21












          +1 but I don't like the idea you commented to simply discard the term. I cannot wrap my mind around the idea that if one term is undefined the sum can converge.
          – user1949350
          Aug 28 at 17:41




          +1 but I don't like the idea you commented to simply discard the term. I cannot wrap my mind around the idea that if one term is undefined the sum can converge.
          – user1949350
          Aug 28 at 17:41












          @user1949350 Then you could probably use other method, since this one does not work.
          – xbh
          Aug 28 at 17:44




          @user1949350 Then you could probably use other method, since this one does not work.
          – xbh
          Aug 28 at 17:44

















           

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