Convergence of integrals by examining the sum
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I am just looking for someone to tell me if my reasoning is correct. Let's look at the integral:
$$int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx$$
where $a$ is a real number. Is it valid to say that the integral will converge when the sum converges:
$$ int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx sim sum^infty_n = 0 fracn^an + 1$$
So:
- for $a < 0$ the first term is undefined
- for $a=0$ the sum diverges
- for $a>1$ the sum diverges
- for $0<a<1$ the sum converges
Is it valid to conclude that the integral converges only for $0<a<1$? Does this reasoning work for other integrals of this type, is there something I should pay attention to?
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I am just looking for someone to tell me if my reasoning is correct. Let's look at the integral:
$$int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx$$
where $a$ is a real number. Is it valid to say that the integral will converge when the sum converges:
$$ int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx sim sum^infty_n = 0 fracn^an + 1$$
So:
- for $a < 0$ the first term is undefined
- for $a=0$ the sum diverges
- for $a>1$ the sum diverges
- for $0<a<1$ the sum converges
Is it valid to conclude that the integral converges only for $0<a<1$? Does this reasoning work for other integrals of this type, is there something I should pay attention to?
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I am just looking for someone to tell me if my reasoning is correct. Let's look at the integral:
$$int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx$$
where $a$ is a real number. Is it valid to say that the integral will converge when the sum converges:
$$ int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx sim sum^infty_n = 0 fracn^an + 1$$
So:
- for $a < 0$ the first term is undefined
- for $a=0$ the sum diverges
- for $a>1$ the sum diverges
- for $0<a<1$ the sum converges
Is it valid to conclude that the integral converges only for $0<a<1$? Does this reasoning work for other integrals of this type, is there something I should pay attention to?
integration sequences-and-series indefinite-integrals
I am just looking for someone to tell me if my reasoning is correct. Let's look at the integral:
$$int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx$$
where $a$ is a real number. Is it valid to say that the integral will converge when the sum converges:
$$ int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx sim sum^infty_n = 0 fracn^an + 1$$
So:
- for $a < 0$ the first term is undefined
- for $a=0$ the sum diverges
- for $a>1$ the sum diverges
- for $0<a<1$ the sum converges
Is it valid to conclude that the integral converges only for $0<a<1$? Does this reasoning work for other integrals of this type, is there something I should pay attention to?
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No it is not a valid method in general, for the convergence we need to show that for some convergent $sum a_n$
$$0le int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx lesum^infty_n = 0 a_n$$
As an alternative note that for $age0$
$$fracx^ax + 1sim x^a-1=frac1x^1-a$$
and for $a<0$ let $b=-a>0$
$$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)$$
and
as $xto 0^+ implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$
as $xto infty implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b+1$
then refer to limit comparison test to conclude that the given integral converges for $ain(-1,0)$.
I am somewhat conflicted, I do understand that I would have a hyperharmonic series for negative $a$ but the first term troubles me. Any insight on that?
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:14
@user1949350 You could simply discard it, since the convergence is only related to terms with sufficiently large indices.
â xbh
Aug 28 at 17:19
Perhaps I haven't worded it properly. Let's say I choose $a=-1$, then I would have(for $n=0$): $$frac1n(n+1) = frac10 $$
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:20
@user1949350 for a negative let $a=-b$ we have that at $x to 0$ $$fracx^ax + 1 =frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$$ which converges for $0<b<1$ and at $xto infty$ $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)sim frac1x^b+1$$ which converges for any $b$.
â gimusi
Aug 28 at 17:21
So in order for it to converge for all $x>0$ I need $$-1<a<0$$?
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:24
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No, you cannot assert that the integral converges for $0 < a < 1$. Using comparison test you would notice that
$$
frac x^a1+x sim frac 1x^1-a quad [n to infty],
$$
and $int_A^infty (1/ x^p) mathrm dx ;[A>0]$ converges iff $p > 1$. Hence the integral converges when and only when $colorreda < 0$ [WRONG HERE, see UPDATE 2].
Meanwhile, the series is also diverges by similar testing method.
There is a test for convergence of series: integral test. However this requires the function be decreasing. So generally you cannot use the correspondent series to test the convergence for this kind of improper integrals [although I do not know the counterexample when $f$ is not decreasing. Any comments about this are welcome].
UPDATE
Thanks to @RobertIsrael, the integral test is applicable to your question since $f(x) = x^a /(x+1)$ is monotonic for sufficiently large $x$.
UPDATE 2
I was wrong in the comparison test above. When $a < 0$, the point $0$ would also be questionable. Combining the asymptotic behavior as $x to 0^+$ and $x to +infty$, the conclusion should be: the integral converges iff $boldsymbol 0 < a < 1$.
Although it's not decreasing on all of $(0,infty)$, it is either decreasing for sufficiently large $x$ or increasing for sufficiently large $x$, and that's enough to allow the Integral Test to be used.
â Robert Israel
Aug 28 at 17:21
+1 but I don't like the idea you commented to simply discard the term. I cannot wrap my mind around the idea that if one term is undefined the sum can converge.
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:41
@user1949350 Then you could probably use other method, since this one does not work.
â xbh
Aug 28 at 17:44
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2 Answers
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active
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active
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No it is not a valid method in general, for the convergence we need to show that for some convergent $sum a_n$
$$0le int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx lesum^infty_n = 0 a_n$$
As an alternative note that for $age0$
$$fracx^ax + 1sim x^a-1=frac1x^1-a$$
and for $a<0$ let $b=-a>0$
$$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)$$
and
as $xto 0^+ implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$
as $xto infty implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b+1$
then refer to limit comparison test to conclude that the given integral converges for $ain(-1,0)$.
I am somewhat conflicted, I do understand that I would have a hyperharmonic series for negative $a$ but the first term troubles me. Any insight on that?
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:14
@user1949350 You could simply discard it, since the convergence is only related to terms with sufficiently large indices.
â xbh
Aug 28 at 17:19
Perhaps I haven't worded it properly. Let's say I choose $a=-1$, then I would have(for $n=0$): $$frac1n(n+1) = frac10 $$
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:20
@user1949350 for a negative let $a=-b$ we have that at $x to 0$ $$fracx^ax + 1 =frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$$ which converges for $0<b<1$ and at $xto infty$ $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)sim frac1x^b+1$$ which converges for any $b$.
â gimusi
Aug 28 at 17:21
So in order for it to converge for all $x>0$ I need $$-1<a<0$$?
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:24
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show 3 more comments
up vote
1
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No it is not a valid method in general, for the convergence we need to show that for some convergent $sum a_n$
$$0le int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx lesum^infty_n = 0 a_n$$
As an alternative note that for $age0$
$$fracx^ax + 1sim x^a-1=frac1x^1-a$$
and for $a<0$ let $b=-a>0$
$$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)$$
and
as $xto 0^+ implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$
as $xto infty implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b+1$
then refer to limit comparison test to conclude that the given integral converges for $ain(-1,0)$.
I am somewhat conflicted, I do understand that I would have a hyperharmonic series for negative $a$ but the first term troubles me. Any insight on that?
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:14
@user1949350 You could simply discard it, since the convergence is only related to terms with sufficiently large indices.
â xbh
Aug 28 at 17:19
Perhaps I haven't worded it properly. Let's say I choose $a=-1$, then I would have(for $n=0$): $$frac1n(n+1) = frac10 $$
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:20
@user1949350 for a negative let $a=-b$ we have that at $x to 0$ $$fracx^ax + 1 =frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$$ which converges for $0<b<1$ and at $xto infty$ $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)sim frac1x^b+1$$ which converges for any $b$.
â gimusi
Aug 28 at 17:21
So in order for it to converge for all $x>0$ I need $$-1<a<0$$?
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:24
 |Â
show 3 more comments
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
No it is not a valid method in general, for the convergence we need to show that for some convergent $sum a_n$
$$0le int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx lesum^infty_n = 0 a_n$$
As an alternative note that for $age0$
$$fracx^ax + 1sim x^a-1=frac1x^1-a$$
and for $a<0$ let $b=-a>0$
$$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)$$
and
as $xto 0^+ implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$
as $xto infty implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b+1$
then refer to limit comparison test to conclude that the given integral converges for $ain(-1,0)$.
No it is not a valid method in general, for the convergence we need to show that for some convergent $sum a_n$
$$0le int^infty_0 fracx^ax + 1dx lesum^infty_n = 0 a_n$$
As an alternative note that for $age0$
$$fracx^ax + 1sim x^a-1=frac1x^1-a$$
and for $a<0$ let $b=-a>0$
$$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)$$
and
as $xto 0^+ implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$
as $xto infty implies frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b+1$
then refer to limit comparison test to conclude that the given integral converges for $ain(-1,0)$.
edited Aug 28 at 17:33
answered Aug 28 at 17:12
gimusi
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I am somewhat conflicted, I do understand that I would have a hyperharmonic series for negative $a$ but the first term troubles me. Any insight on that?
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:14
@user1949350 You could simply discard it, since the convergence is only related to terms with sufficiently large indices.
â xbh
Aug 28 at 17:19
Perhaps I haven't worded it properly. Let's say I choose $a=-1$, then I would have(for $n=0$): $$frac1n(n+1) = frac10 $$
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:20
@user1949350 for a negative let $a=-b$ we have that at $x to 0$ $$fracx^ax + 1 =frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$$ which converges for $0<b<1$ and at $xto infty$ $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)sim frac1x^b+1$$ which converges for any $b$.
â gimusi
Aug 28 at 17:21
So in order for it to converge for all $x>0$ I need $$-1<a<0$$?
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:24
 |Â
show 3 more comments
I am somewhat conflicted, I do understand that I would have a hyperharmonic series for negative $a$ but the first term troubles me. Any insight on that?
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:14
@user1949350 You could simply discard it, since the convergence is only related to terms with sufficiently large indices.
â xbh
Aug 28 at 17:19
Perhaps I haven't worded it properly. Let's say I choose $a=-1$, then I would have(for $n=0$): $$frac1n(n+1) = frac10 $$
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:20
@user1949350 for a negative let $a=-b$ we have that at $x to 0$ $$fracx^ax + 1 =frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$$ which converges for $0<b<1$ and at $xto infty$ $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)sim frac1x^b+1$$ which converges for any $b$.
â gimusi
Aug 28 at 17:21
So in order for it to converge for all $x>0$ I need $$-1<a<0$$?
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:24
I am somewhat conflicted, I do understand that I would have a hyperharmonic series for negative $a$ but the first term troubles me. Any insight on that?
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:14
I am somewhat conflicted, I do understand that I would have a hyperharmonic series for negative $a$ but the first term troubles me. Any insight on that?
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:14
@user1949350 You could simply discard it, since the convergence is only related to terms with sufficiently large indices.
â xbh
Aug 28 at 17:19
@user1949350 You could simply discard it, since the convergence is only related to terms with sufficiently large indices.
â xbh
Aug 28 at 17:19
Perhaps I haven't worded it properly. Let's say I choose $a=-1$, then I would have(for $n=0$): $$frac1n(n+1) = frac10 $$
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:20
Perhaps I haven't worded it properly. Let's say I choose $a=-1$, then I would have(for $n=0$): $$frac1n(n+1) = frac10 $$
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:20
@user1949350 for a negative let $a=-b$ we have that at $x to 0$ $$fracx^ax + 1 =frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$$ which converges for $0<b<1$ and at $xto infty$ $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)sim frac1x^b+1$$ which converges for any $b$.
â gimusi
Aug 28 at 17:21
@user1949350 for a negative let $a=-b$ we have that at $x to 0$ $$fracx^ax + 1 =frac1x^b(x + 1) sim frac1x^b$$ which converges for $0<b<1$ and at $xto infty$ $$fracx^ax + 1=frac1x^b(x + 1)sim frac1x^b+1$$ which converges for any $b$.
â gimusi
Aug 28 at 17:21
So in order for it to converge for all $x>0$ I need $$-1<a<0$$?
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:24
So in order for it to converge for all $x>0$ I need $$-1<a<0$$?
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:24
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show 3 more comments
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No, you cannot assert that the integral converges for $0 < a < 1$. Using comparison test you would notice that
$$
frac x^a1+x sim frac 1x^1-a quad [n to infty],
$$
and $int_A^infty (1/ x^p) mathrm dx ;[A>0]$ converges iff $p > 1$. Hence the integral converges when and only when $colorreda < 0$ [WRONG HERE, see UPDATE 2].
Meanwhile, the series is also diverges by similar testing method.
There is a test for convergence of series: integral test. However this requires the function be decreasing. So generally you cannot use the correspondent series to test the convergence for this kind of improper integrals [although I do not know the counterexample when $f$ is not decreasing. Any comments about this are welcome].
UPDATE
Thanks to @RobertIsrael, the integral test is applicable to your question since $f(x) = x^a /(x+1)$ is monotonic for sufficiently large $x$.
UPDATE 2
I was wrong in the comparison test above. When $a < 0$, the point $0$ would also be questionable. Combining the asymptotic behavior as $x to 0^+$ and $x to +infty$, the conclusion should be: the integral converges iff $boldsymbol 0 < a < 1$.
Although it's not decreasing on all of $(0,infty)$, it is either decreasing for sufficiently large $x$ or increasing for sufficiently large $x$, and that's enough to allow the Integral Test to be used.
â Robert Israel
Aug 28 at 17:21
+1 but I don't like the idea you commented to simply discard the term. I cannot wrap my mind around the idea that if one term is undefined the sum can converge.
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:41
@user1949350 Then you could probably use other method, since this one does not work.
â xbh
Aug 28 at 17:44
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
No, you cannot assert that the integral converges for $0 < a < 1$. Using comparison test you would notice that
$$
frac x^a1+x sim frac 1x^1-a quad [n to infty],
$$
and $int_A^infty (1/ x^p) mathrm dx ;[A>0]$ converges iff $p > 1$. Hence the integral converges when and only when $colorreda < 0$ [WRONG HERE, see UPDATE 2].
Meanwhile, the series is also diverges by similar testing method.
There is a test for convergence of series: integral test. However this requires the function be decreasing. So generally you cannot use the correspondent series to test the convergence for this kind of improper integrals [although I do not know the counterexample when $f$ is not decreasing. Any comments about this are welcome].
UPDATE
Thanks to @RobertIsrael, the integral test is applicable to your question since $f(x) = x^a /(x+1)$ is monotonic for sufficiently large $x$.
UPDATE 2
I was wrong in the comparison test above. When $a < 0$, the point $0$ would also be questionable. Combining the asymptotic behavior as $x to 0^+$ and $x to +infty$, the conclusion should be: the integral converges iff $boldsymbol 0 < a < 1$.
Although it's not decreasing on all of $(0,infty)$, it is either decreasing for sufficiently large $x$ or increasing for sufficiently large $x$, and that's enough to allow the Integral Test to be used.
â Robert Israel
Aug 28 at 17:21
+1 but I don't like the idea you commented to simply discard the term. I cannot wrap my mind around the idea that if one term is undefined the sum can converge.
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:41
@user1949350 Then you could probably use other method, since this one does not work.
â xbh
Aug 28 at 17:44
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
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No, you cannot assert that the integral converges for $0 < a < 1$. Using comparison test you would notice that
$$
frac x^a1+x sim frac 1x^1-a quad [n to infty],
$$
and $int_A^infty (1/ x^p) mathrm dx ;[A>0]$ converges iff $p > 1$. Hence the integral converges when and only when $colorreda < 0$ [WRONG HERE, see UPDATE 2].
Meanwhile, the series is also diverges by similar testing method.
There is a test for convergence of series: integral test. However this requires the function be decreasing. So generally you cannot use the correspondent series to test the convergence for this kind of improper integrals [although I do not know the counterexample when $f$ is not decreasing. Any comments about this are welcome].
UPDATE
Thanks to @RobertIsrael, the integral test is applicable to your question since $f(x) = x^a /(x+1)$ is monotonic for sufficiently large $x$.
UPDATE 2
I was wrong in the comparison test above. When $a < 0$, the point $0$ would also be questionable. Combining the asymptotic behavior as $x to 0^+$ and $x to +infty$, the conclusion should be: the integral converges iff $boldsymbol 0 < a < 1$.
No, you cannot assert that the integral converges for $0 < a < 1$. Using comparison test you would notice that
$$
frac x^a1+x sim frac 1x^1-a quad [n to infty],
$$
and $int_A^infty (1/ x^p) mathrm dx ;[A>0]$ converges iff $p > 1$. Hence the integral converges when and only when $colorreda < 0$ [WRONG HERE, see UPDATE 2].
Meanwhile, the series is also diverges by similar testing method.
There is a test for convergence of series: integral test. However this requires the function be decreasing. So generally you cannot use the correspondent series to test the convergence for this kind of improper integrals [although I do not know the counterexample when $f$ is not decreasing. Any comments about this are welcome].
UPDATE
Thanks to @RobertIsrael, the integral test is applicable to your question since $f(x) = x^a /(x+1)$ is monotonic for sufficiently large $x$.
UPDATE 2
I was wrong in the comparison test above. When $a < 0$, the point $0$ would also be questionable. Combining the asymptotic behavior as $x to 0^+$ and $x to +infty$, the conclusion should be: the integral converges iff $boldsymbol 0 < a < 1$.
edited Aug 28 at 17:49
answered Aug 28 at 17:16
xbh
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Although it's not decreasing on all of $(0,infty)$, it is either decreasing for sufficiently large $x$ or increasing for sufficiently large $x$, and that's enough to allow the Integral Test to be used.
â Robert Israel
Aug 28 at 17:21
+1 but I don't like the idea you commented to simply discard the term. I cannot wrap my mind around the idea that if one term is undefined the sum can converge.
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:41
@user1949350 Then you could probably use other method, since this one does not work.
â xbh
Aug 28 at 17:44
add a comment |Â
Although it's not decreasing on all of $(0,infty)$, it is either decreasing for sufficiently large $x$ or increasing for sufficiently large $x$, and that's enough to allow the Integral Test to be used.
â Robert Israel
Aug 28 at 17:21
+1 but I don't like the idea you commented to simply discard the term. I cannot wrap my mind around the idea that if one term is undefined the sum can converge.
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:41
@user1949350 Then you could probably use other method, since this one does not work.
â xbh
Aug 28 at 17:44
Although it's not decreasing on all of $(0,infty)$, it is either decreasing for sufficiently large $x$ or increasing for sufficiently large $x$, and that's enough to allow the Integral Test to be used.
â Robert Israel
Aug 28 at 17:21
Although it's not decreasing on all of $(0,infty)$, it is either decreasing for sufficiently large $x$ or increasing for sufficiently large $x$, and that's enough to allow the Integral Test to be used.
â Robert Israel
Aug 28 at 17:21
+1 but I don't like the idea you commented to simply discard the term. I cannot wrap my mind around the idea that if one term is undefined the sum can converge.
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:41
+1 but I don't like the idea you commented to simply discard the term. I cannot wrap my mind around the idea that if one term is undefined the sum can converge.
â user1949350
Aug 28 at 17:41
@user1949350 Then you could probably use other method, since this one does not work.
â xbh
Aug 28 at 17:44
@user1949350 Then you could probably use other method, since this one does not work.
â xbh
Aug 28 at 17:44
add a comment |Â
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