Location and nature of all the stationary points of function

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f(x,y)=$2x^3 + 6xy^2 - 3y^3 - 150x$



which gives



$frac∂f∂x$ = $6x^2 + 6y^2 -150$



Then doing the same with y gives



$frac∂f∂y$ = $12xy -9y^2$



To find the stationary points, I have to make the derivatives 0 which gives me



$frac∂f∂x$ = $6x^2 + 6y^2 -150$ = $0$
and $frac∂f∂y$ = $12xy -9y^2$ = $0$



rearranging $frac∂f∂x$= $0$ gives me $y^2 = -x^2 + 25$



I proceed to sub this into $frac∂f∂y$ = $12xy -9y^2$ = $0$



This gives me $-12x^2 + 60x + 9x^2 - 225 = 0$



and putting it into quadratic eqtn and then factorising, I get $x=5$ and $x=15$



This is where I get confused, do these numbers sound right and if so, do I place the x coordinates into the original eqtn to get y coordinates?



how many stationary points in total?







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    Just wanted to check if this was right before I proceed



    f(x,y)=$2x^3 + 6xy^2 - 3y^3 - 150x$



    which gives



    $frac∂f∂x$ = $6x^2 + 6y^2 -150$



    Then doing the same with y gives



    $frac∂f∂y$ = $12xy -9y^2$



    To find the stationary points, I have to make the derivatives 0 which gives me



    $frac∂f∂x$ = $6x^2 + 6y^2 -150$ = $0$
    and $frac∂f∂y$ = $12xy -9y^2$ = $0$



    rearranging $frac∂f∂x$= $0$ gives me $y^2 = -x^2 + 25$



    I proceed to sub this into $frac∂f∂y$ = $12xy -9y^2$ = $0$



    This gives me $-12x^2 + 60x + 9x^2 - 225 = 0$



    and putting it into quadratic eqtn and then factorising, I get $x=5$ and $x=15$



    This is where I get confused, do these numbers sound right and if so, do I place the x coordinates into the original eqtn to get y coordinates?



    how many stationary points in total?







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      Just wanted to check if this was right before I proceed



      f(x,y)=$2x^3 + 6xy^2 - 3y^3 - 150x$



      which gives



      $frac∂f∂x$ = $6x^2 + 6y^2 -150$



      Then doing the same with y gives



      $frac∂f∂y$ = $12xy -9y^2$



      To find the stationary points, I have to make the derivatives 0 which gives me



      $frac∂f∂x$ = $6x^2 + 6y^2 -150$ = $0$
      and $frac∂f∂y$ = $12xy -9y^2$ = $0$



      rearranging $frac∂f∂x$= $0$ gives me $y^2 = -x^2 + 25$



      I proceed to sub this into $frac∂f∂y$ = $12xy -9y^2$ = $0$



      This gives me $-12x^2 + 60x + 9x^2 - 225 = 0$



      and putting it into quadratic eqtn and then factorising, I get $x=5$ and $x=15$



      This is where I get confused, do these numbers sound right and if so, do I place the x coordinates into the original eqtn to get y coordinates?



      how many stationary points in total?







      share|cite|improve this question












      Just wanted to check if this was right before I proceed



      f(x,y)=$2x^3 + 6xy^2 - 3y^3 - 150x$



      which gives



      $frac∂f∂x$ = $6x^2 + 6y^2 -150$



      Then doing the same with y gives



      $frac∂f∂y$ = $12xy -9y^2$



      To find the stationary points, I have to make the derivatives 0 which gives me



      $frac∂f∂x$ = $6x^2 + 6y^2 -150$ = $0$
      and $frac∂f∂y$ = $12xy -9y^2$ = $0$



      rearranging $frac∂f∂x$= $0$ gives me $y^2 = -x^2 + 25$



      I proceed to sub this into $frac∂f∂y$ = $12xy -9y^2$ = $0$



      This gives me $-12x^2 + 60x + 9x^2 - 225 = 0$



      and putting it into quadratic eqtn and then factorising, I get $x=5$ and $x=15$



      This is where I get confused, do these numbers sound right and if so, do I place the x coordinates into the original eqtn to get y coordinates?



      how many stationary points in total?









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          You are substituting incorrectly. Here is the right way for $f(x,y)=2x^3 + 6xy^2 - 3y^3 - 150x$:
          $$begincasesf_x=6x^2+6y^2-150=0\
          f_y=12xy-9y^2=0endcases Rightarrow begincasesx^2+y^2=25\ y(4x-3y)=0endcases Rightarrow \
          1) y=0 Rightarrow x^2+0^2=25 Rightarrow x=pm5;\
          2) 4x-3y=0 Rightarrow x=frac34y Rightarrow left(frac34yright)^2+y^2=25 Rightarrow y^2=16 Rightarrow y=pm 4 Rightarrow x=pm3.$$
          Hence, the stationary points are:
          $$(x,y)=(5,0), (-5,0), (3,4), (-3,-4).$$
          Note that once you set first order derivatives equal to zero, you must solve the system of equations to find $(x,y)$.






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          • How did you know to use y=0 for the first part 1)?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 16:00










          • the second equation: $y(4x-3y)=0 Rightarrow 1) y=0; 2) 4x-3y=0$.
            – farruhota
            Aug 28 at 16:03










          • Thank you, the 2nd part of the question also asks me use partial derivatives to estimate the change in f(x,y) at the point (0,1) by changing x by δx = 0.005 and y by δy = −0.002. I can do this but it then asks me to compare with true change given here : f(0.005,0.998)−f(0,1). I just don't know how to convert this into a number?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 18:18











          • Approximate change: $Delta fapprox f_xDelta x+f_yDelta y$ (plug $(x,y)=(0,1)). $ Exact (true) change: $f(0.005,0.998)-f(0,1)$. You must calculate both and find the difference.
            – farruhota
            Aug 28 at 19:28


















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          Your approach for finding the stationary points is right unless you also have to check the hessian matrix in the points obtained. For example let $$g(x,y)=x^2-y^2$$the only candidate for stationary point is when $(x,y)=(0,0)$ but we know that this point is not stationary (it is a saddle point). For the candidate you obtained we have $$H=beginbmatrixdfracpartial^2fpartial x^2&dfracpartial^2fpartial xpartial y\dfracpartial^2fpartial xpartial y&dfracpartial^2fpartial y^2endbmatrix_(x,y)=(5,15)=beginbmatrix12x&12y\12y&12x-18yendbmatrix$$if a point is supposed to be stationary we must have the hessian matrix semi positive definite in that point. Surely $x=15$ is invalid since $y^2$ becomes negative therefore we have two candidates$$(5,0),(-5,0)$$and $$H_(5,0)=60I>0\H_(-5,0)=-60I<0$$so $(5,0)$ is the only stationary point.



          Here is a depict of the function



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          • Both these posts are giving different answers which is a little confusing, can anyone spot which one is the correct solution?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 15:21










          • I also added an illustration of the function to prove the theory. Hope it helps...
            – Mostafa Ayaz
            Aug 28 at 15:23











          • Is this method similar to the Test to Determine the Nature of Stationary Points using fxx * fyy - (fxy)^2 ?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 15:27










          • Yes. But in a special case with $n=2$. The method of hessian is the generalized version of it when $n>2$ for example $f(x,y,z)=x^2+y^2+z^2$ has a stationary point in $(0,0)$ because $nabla f(0,0)=0$ and $H_(0,0)=2I>0$
            – Mostafa Ayaz
            Aug 28 at 15:29










          • Thank you, the 2nd part of the question also asks me use partial derivatives to estimate the change in f(x,y) at the point (0,1) by changing x by δx = 0.005 and y by δy = −0.002. Do I do (fx)* δx + (fy) * δy It then asks me to compare with true change given here : f(0.005,0.998)−f(0,1). I just don't know how to convert this into a number?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 18:41











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          You are substituting incorrectly. Here is the right way for $f(x,y)=2x^3 + 6xy^2 - 3y^3 - 150x$:
          $$begincasesf_x=6x^2+6y^2-150=0\
          f_y=12xy-9y^2=0endcases Rightarrow begincasesx^2+y^2=25\ y(4x-3y)=0endcases Rightarrow \
          1) y=0 Rightarrow x^2+0^2=25 Rightarrow x=pm5;\
          2) 4x-3y=0 Rightarrow x=frac34y Rightarrow left(frac34yright)^2+y^2=25 Rightarrow y^2=16 Rightarrow y=pm 4 Rightarrow x=pm3.$$
          Hence, the stationary points are:
          $$(x,y)=(5,0), (-5,0), (3,4), (-3,-4).$$
          Note that once you set first order derivatives equal to zero, you must solve the system of equations to find $(x,y)$.






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          • How did you know to use y=0 for the first part 1)?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 16:00










          • the second equation: $y(4x-3y)=0 Rightarrow 1) y=0; 2) 4x-3y=0$.
            – farruhota
            Aug 28 at 16:03










          • Thank you, the 2nd part of the question also asks me use partial derivatives to estimate the change in f(x,y) at the point (0,1) by changing x by δx = 0.005 and y by δy = −0.002. I can do this but it then asks me to compare with true change given here : f(0.005,0.998)−f(0,1). I just don't know how to convert this into a number?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 18:18











          • Approximate change: $Delta fapprox f_xDelta x+f_yDelta y$ (plug $(x,y)=(0,1)). $ Exact (true) change: $f(0.005,0.998)-f(0,1)$. You must calculate both and find the difference.
            – farruhota
            Aug 28 at 19:28















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          You are substituting incorrectly. Here is the right way for $f(x,y)=2x^3 + 6xy^2 - 3y^3 - 150x$:
          $$begincasesf_x=6x^2+6y^2-150=0\
          f_y=12xy-9y^2=0endcases Rightarrow begincasesx^2+y^2=25\ y(4x-3y)=0endcases Rightarrow \
          1) y=0 Rightarrow x^2+0^2=25 Rightarrow x=pm5;\
          2) 4x-3y=0 Rightarrow x=frac34y Rightarrow left(frac34yright)^2+y^2=25 Rightarrow y^2=16 Rightarrow y=pm 4 Rightarrow x=pm3.$$
          Hence, the stationary points are:
          $$(x,y)=(5,0), (-5,0), (3,4), (-3,-4).$$
          Note that once you set first order derivatives equal to zero, you must solve the system of equations to find $(x,y)$.






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          • How did you know to use y=0 for the first part 1)?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 16:00










          • the second equation: $y(4x-3y)=0 Rightarrow 1) y=0; 2) 4x-3y=0$.
            – farruhota
            Aug 28 at 16:03










          • Thank you, the 2nd part of the question also asks me use partial derivatives to estimate the change in f(x,y) at the point (0,1) by changing x by δx = 0.005 and y by δy = −0.002. I can do this but it then asks me to compare with true change given here : f(0.005,0.998)−f(0,1). I just don't know how to convert this into a number?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 18:18











          • Approximate change: $Delta fapprox f_xDelta x+f_yDelta y$ (plug $(x,y)=(0,1)). $ Exact (true) change: $f(0.005,0.998)-f(0,1)$. You must calculate both and find the difference.
            – farruhota
            Aug 28 at 19:28













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          You are substituting incorrectly. Here is the right way for $f(x,y)=2x^3 + 6xy^2 - 3y^3 - 150x$:
          $$begincasesf_x=6x^2+6y^2-150=0\
          f_y=12xy-9y^2=0endcases Rightarrow begincasesx^2+y^2=25\ y(4x-3y)=0endcases Rightarrow \
          1) y=0 Rightarrow x^2+0^2=25 Rightarrow x=pm5;\
          2) 4x-3y=0 Rightarrow x=frac34y Rightarrow left(frac34yright)^2+y^2=25 Rightarrow y^2=16 Rightarrow y=pm 4 Rightarrow x=pm3.$$
          Hence, the stationary points are:
          $$(x,y)=(5,0), (-5,0), (3,4), (-3,-4).$$
          Note that once you set first order derivatives equal to zero, you must solve the system of equations to find $(x,y)$.






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          You are substituting incorrectly. Here is the right way for $f(x,y)=2x^3 + 6xy^2 - 3y^3 - 150x$:
          $$begincasesf_x=6x^2+6y^2-150=0\
          f_y=12xy-9y^2=0endcases Rightarrow begincasesx^2+y^2=25\ y(4x-3y)=0endcases Rightarrow \
          1) y=0 Rightarrow x^2+0^2=25 Rightarrow x=pm5;\
          2) 4x-3y=0 Rightarrow x=frac34y Rightarrow left(frac34yright)^2+y^2=25 Rightarrow y^2=16 Rightarrow y=pm 4 Rightarrow x=pm3.$$
          Hence, the stationary points are:
          $$(x,y)=(5,0), (-5,0), (3,4), (-3,-4).$$
          Note that once you set first order derivatives equal to zero, you must solve the system of equations to find $(x,y)$.







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          • How did you know to use y=0 for the first part 1)?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 16:00










          • the second equation: $y(4x-3y)=0 Rightarrow 1) y=0; 2) 4x-3y=0$.
            – farruhota
            Aug 28 at 16:03










          • Thank you, the 2nd part of the question also asks me use partial derivatives to estimate the change in f(x,y) at the point (0,1) by changing x by δx = 0.005 and y by δy = −0.002. I can do this but it then asks me to compare with true change given here : f(0.005,0.998)−f(0,1). I just don't know how to convert this into a number?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 18:18











          • Approximate change: $Delta fapprox f_xDelta x+f_yDelta y$ (plug $(x,y)=(0,1)). $ Exact (true) change: $f(0.005,0.998)-f(0,1)$. You must calculate both and find the difference.
            – farruhota
            Aug 28 at 19:28

















          • How did you know to use y=0 for the first part 1)?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 16:00










          • the second equation: $y(4x-3y)=0 Rightarrow 1) y=0; 2) 4x-3y=0$.
            – farruhota
            Aug 28 at 16:03










          • Thank you, the 2nd part of the question also asks me use partial derivatives to estimate the change in f(x,y) at the point (0,1) by changing x by δx = 0.005 and y by δy = −0.002. I can do this but it then asks me to compare with true change given here : f(0.005,0.998)−f(0,1). I just don't know how to convert this into a number?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 18:18











          • Approximate change: $Delta fapprox f_xDelta x+f_yDelta y$ (plug $(x,y)=(0,1)). $ Exact (true) change: $f(0.005,0.998)-f(0,1)$. You must calculate both and find the difference.
            – farruhota
            Aug 28 at 19:28
















          How did you know to use y=0 for the first part 1)?
          – John Camary
          Aug 28 at 16:00




          How did you know to use y=0 for the first part 1)?
          – John Camary
          Aug 28 at 16:00












          the second equation: $y(4x-3y)=0 Rightarrow 1) y=0; 2) 4x-3y=0$.
          – farruhota
          Aug 28 at 16:03




          the second equation: $y(4x-3y)=0 Rightarrow 1) y=0; 2) 4x-3y=0$.
          – farruhota
          Aug 28 at 16:03












          Thank you, the 2nd part of the question also asks me use partial derivatives to estimate the change in f(x,y) at the point (0,1) by changing x by δx = 0.005 and y by δy = −0.002. I can do this but it then asks me to compare with true change given here : f(0.005,0.998)−f(0,1). I just don't know how to convert this into a number?
          – John Camary
          Aug 28 at 18:18





          Thank you, the 2nd part of the question also asks me use partial derivatives to estimate the change in f(x,y) at the point (0,1) by changing x by δx = 0.005 and y by δy = −0.002. I can do this but it then asks me to compare with true change given here : f(0.005,0.998)−f(0,1). I just don't know how to convert this into a number?
          – John Camary
          Aug 28 at 18:18













          Approximate change: $Delta fapprox f_xDelta x+f_yDelta y$ (plug $(x,y)=(0,1)). $ Exact (true) change: $f(0.005,0.998)-f(0,1)$. You must calculate both and find the difference.
          – farruhota
          Aug 28 at 19:28





          Approximate change: $Delta fapprox f_xDelta x+f_yDelta y$ (plug $(x,y)=(0,1)). $ Exact (true) change: $f(0.005,0.998)-f(0,1)$. You must calculate both and find the difference.
          – farruhota
          Aug 28 at 19:28











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          Your approach for finding the stationary points is right unless you also have to check the hessian matrix in the points obtained. For example let $$g(x,y)=x^2-y^2$$the only candidate for stationary point is when $(x,y)=(0,0)$ but we know that this point is not stationary (it is a saddle point). For the candidate you obtained we have $$H=beginbmatrixdfracpartial^2fpartial x^2&dfracpartial^2fpartial xpartial y\dfracpartial^2fpartial xpartial y&dfracpartial^2fpartial y^2endbmatrix_(x,y)=(5,15)=beginbmatrix12x&12y\12y&12x-18yendbmatrix$$if a point is supposed to be stationary we must have the hessian matrix semi positive definite in that point. Surely $x=15$ is invalid since $y^2$ becomes negative therefore we have two candidates$$(5,0),(-5,0)$$and $$H_(5,0)=60I>0\H_(-5,0)=-60I<0$$so $(5,0)$ is the only stationary point.



          Here is a depict of the function



          enter image description here






          share|cite|improve this answer






















          • Both these posts are giving different answers which is a little confusing, can anyone spot which one is the correct solution?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 15:21










          • I also added an illustration of the function to prove the theory. Hope it helps...
            – Mostafa Ayaz
            Aug 28 at 15:23











          • Is this method similar to the Test to Determine the Nature of Stationary Points using fxx * fyy - (fxy)^2 ?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 15:27










          • Yes. But in a special case with $n=2$. The method of hessian is the generalized version of it when $n>2$ for example $f(x,y,z)=x^2+y^2+z^2$ has a stationary point in $(0,0)$ because $nabla f(0,0)=0$ and $H_(0,0)=2I>0$
            – Mostafa Ayaz
            Aug 28 at 15:29










          • Thank you, the 2nd part of the question also asks me use partial derivatives to estimate the change in f(x,y) at the point (0,1) by changing x by δx = 0.005 and y by δy = −0.002. Do I do (fx)* δx + (fy) * δy It then asks me to compare with true change given here : f(0.005,0.998)−f(0,1). I just don't know how to convert this into a number?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 18:41















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          Your approach for finding the stationary points is right unless you also have to check the hessian matrix in the points obtained. For example let $$g(x,y)=x^2-y^2$$the only candidate for stationary point is when $(x,y)=(0,0)$ but we know that this point is not stationary (it is a saddle point). For the candidate you obtained we have $$H=beginbmatrixdfracpartial^2fpartial x^2&dfracpartial^2fpartial xpartial y\dfracpartial^2fpartial xpartial y&dfracpartial^2fpartial y^2endbmatrix_(x,y)=(5,15)=beginbmatrix12x&12y\12y&12x-18yendbmatrix$$if a point is supposed to be stationary we must have the hessian matrix semi positive definite in that point. Surely $x=15$ is invalid since $y^2$ becomes negative therefore we have two candidates$$(5,0),(-5,0)$$and $$H_(5,0)=60I>0\H_(-5,0)=-60I<0$$so $(5,0)$ is the only stationary point.



          Here is a depict of the function



          enter image description here






          share|cite|improve this answer






















          • Both these posts are giving different answers which is a little confusing, can anyone spot which one is the correct solution?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 15:21










          • I also added an illustration of the function to prove the theory. Hope it helps...
            – Mostafa Ayaz
            Aug 28 at 15:23











          • Is this method similar to the Test to Determine the Nature of Stationary Points using fxx * fyy - (fxy)^2 ?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 15:27










          • Yes. But in a special case with $n=2$. The method of hessian is the generalized version of it when $n>2$ for example $f(x,y,z)=x^2+y^2+z^2$ has a stationary point in $(0,0)$ because $nabla f(0,0)=0$ and $H_(0,0)=2I>0$
            – Mostafa Ayaz
            Aug 28 at 15:29










          • Thank you, the 2nd part of the question also asks me use partial derivatives to estimate the change in f(x,y) at the point (0,1) by changing x by δx = 0.005 and y by δy = −0.002. Do I do (fx)* δx + (fy) * δy It then asks me to compare with true change given here : f(0.005,0.998)−f(0,1). I just don't know how to convert this into a number?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 18:41













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          Your approach for finding the stationary points is right unless you also have to check the hessian matrix in the points obtained. For example let $$g(x,y)=x^2-y^2$$the only candidate for stationary point is when $(x,y)=(0,0)$ but we know that this point is not stationary (it is a saddle point). For the candidate you obtained we have $$H=beginbmatrixdfracpartial^2fpartial x^2&dfracpartial^2fpartial xpartial y\dfracpartial^2fpartial xpartial y&dfracpartial^2fpartial y^2endbmatrix_(x,y)=(5,15)=beginbmatrix12x&12y\12y&12x-18yendbmatrix$$if a point is supposed to be stationary we must have the hessian matrix semi positive definite in that point. Surely $x=15$ is invalid since $y^2$ becomes negative therefore we have two candidates$$(5,0),(-5,0)$$and $$H_(5,0)=60I>0\H_(-5,0)=-60I<0$$so $(5,0)$ is the only stationary point.



          Here is a depict of the function



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          Your approach for finding the stationary points is right unless you also have to check the hessian matrix in the points obtained. For example let $$g(x,y)=x^2-y^2$$the only candidate for stationary point is when $(x,y)=(0,0)$ but we know that this point is not stationary (it is a saddle point). For the candidate you obtained we have $$H=beginbmatrixdfracpartial^2fpartial x^2&dfracpartial^2fpartial xpartial y\dfracpartial^2fpartial xpartial y&dfracpartial^2fpartial y^2endbmatrix_(x,y)=(5,15)=beginbmatrix12x&12y\12y&12x-18yendbmatrix$$if a point is supposed to be stationary we must have the hessian matrix semi positive definite in that point. Surely $x=15$ is invalid since $y^2$ becomes negative therefore we have two candidates$$(5,0),(-5,0)$$and $$H_(5,0)=60I>0\H_(-5,0)=-60I<0$$so $(5,0)$ is the only stationary point.



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          • Both these posts are giving different answers which is a little confusing, can anyone spot which one is the correct solution?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 15:21










          • I also added an illustration of the function to prove the theory. Hope it helps...
            – Mostafa Ayaz
            Aug 28 at 15:23











          • Is this method similar to the Test to Determine the Nature of Stationary Points using fxx * fyy - (fxy)^2 ?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 15:27










          • Yes. But in a special case with $n=2$. The method of hessian is the generalized version of it when $n>2$ for example $f(x,y,z)=x^2+y^2+z^2$ has a stationary point in $(0,0)$ because $nabla f(0,0)=0$ and $H_(0,0)=2I>0$
            – Mostafa Ayaz
            Aug 28 at 15:29










          • Thank you, the 2nd part of the question also asks me use partial derivatives to estimate the change in f(x,y) at the point (0,1) by changing x by δx = 0.005 and y by δy = −0.002. Do I do (fx)* δx + (fy) * δy It then asks me to compare with true change given here : f(0.005,0.998)−f(0,1). I just don't know how to convert this into a number?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 18:41

















          • Both these posts are giving different answers which is a little confusing, can anyone spot which one is the correct solution?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 15:21










          • I also added an illustration of the function to prove the theory. Hope it helps...
            – Mostafa Ayaz
            Aug 28 at 15:23











          • Is this method similar to the Test to Determine the Nature of Stationary Points using fxx * fyy - (fxy)^2 ?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 15:27










          • Yes. But in a special case with $n=2$. The method of hessian is the generalized version of it when $n>2$ for example $f(x,y,z)=x^2+y^2+z^2$ has a stationary point in $(0,0)$ because $nabla f(0,0)=0$ and $H_(0,0)=2I>0$
            – Mostafa Ayaz
            Aug 28 at 15:29










          • Thank you, the 2nd part of the question also asks me use partial derivatives to estimate the change in f(x,y) at the point (0,1) by changing x by δx = 0.005 and y by δy = −0.002. Do I do (fx)* δx + (fy) * δy It then asks me to compare with true change given here : f(0.005,0.998)−f(0,1). I just don't know how to convert this into a number?
            – John Camary
            Aug 28 at 18:41
















          Both these posts are giving different answers which is a little confusing, can anyone spot which one is the correct solution?
          – John Camary
          Aug 28 at 15:21




          Both these posts are giving different answers which is a little confusing, can anyone spot which one is the correct solution?
          – John Camary
          Aug 28 at 15:21












          I also added an illustration of the function to prove the theory. Hope it helps...
          – Mostafa Ayaz
          Aug 28 at 15:23





          I also added an illustration of the function to prove the theory. Hope it helps...
          – Mostafa Ayaz
          Aug 28 at 15:23













          Is this method similar to the Test to Determine the Nature of Stationary Points using fxx * fyy - (fxy)^2 ?
          – John Camary
          Aug 28 at 15:27




          Is this method similar to the Test to Determine the Nature of Stationary Points using fxx * fyy - (fxy)^2 ?
          – John Camary
          Aug 28 at 15:27












          Yes. But in a special case with $n=2$. The method of hessian is the generalized version of it when $n>2$ for example $f(x,y,z)=x^2+y^2+z^2$ has a stationary point in $(0,0)$ because $nabla f(0,0)=0$ and $H_(0,0)=2I>0$
          – Mostafa Ayaz
          Aug 28 at 15:29




          Yes. But in a special case with $n=2$. The method of hessian is the generalized version of it when $n>2$ for example $f(x,y,z)=x^2+y^2+z^2$ has a stationary point in $(0,0)$ because $nabla f(0,0)=0$ and $H_(0,0)=2I>0$
          – Mostafa Ayaz
          Aug 28 at 15:29












          Thank you, the 2nd part of the question also asks me use partial derivatives to estimate the change in f(x,y) at the point (0,1) by changing x by δx = 0.005 and y by δy = −0.002. Do I do (fx)* δx + (fy) * δy It then asks me to compare with true change given here : f(0.005,0.998)−f(0,1). I just don't know how to convert this into a number?
          – John Camary
          Aug 28 at 18:41





          Thank you, the 2nd part of the question also asks me use partial derivatives to estimate the change in f(x,y) at the point (0,1) by changing x by δx = 0.005 and y by δy = −0.002. Do I do (fx)* δx + (fy) * δy It then asks me to compare with true change given here : f(0.005,0.998)−f(0,1). I just don't know how to convert this into a number?
          – John Camary
          Aug 28 at 18:41


















           

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