Differentiating a trigonometric function

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Let
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f(x) = arcsinleft(frac2x1+x^2right).
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What is the value of $f'(1)$?




The function splits into
$$
f(x) = begincases
2arctan(x), & textif $-1 leq x leq 1$,\
pi - 2arctan(x), & textif $x > 1$.
endcases
$$



I differentiated the function corresponding to $1$ but my answer is coming to be $1$, but the book tells me the answer does not exist. How can we say the derivative doesn't exist?







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    Let
    $$
    f(x) = arcsinleft(frac2x1+x^2right).
    $$
    What is the value of $f'(1)$?




    The function splits into
    $$
    f(x) = begincases
    2arctan(x), & textif $-1 leq x leq 1$,\
    pi - 2arctan(x), & textif $x > 1$.
    endcases
    $$



    I differentiated the function corresponding to $1$ but my answer is coming to be $1$, but the book tells me the answer does not exist. How can we say the derivative doesn't exist?







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      Let
      $$
      f(x) = arcsinleft(frac2x1+x^2right).
      $$
      What is the value of $f'(1)$?




      The function splits into
      $$
      f(x) = begincases
      2arctan(x), & textif $-1 leq x leq 1$,\
      pi - 2arctan(x), & textif $x > 1$.
      endcases
      $$



      I differentiated the function corresponding to $1$ but my answer is coming to be $1$, but the book tells me the answer does not exist. How can we say the derivative doesn't exist?







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      Let
      $$
      f(x) = arcsinleft(frac2x1+x^2right).
      $$
      What is the value of $f'(1)$?




      The function splits into
      $$
      f(x) = begincases
      2arctan(x), & textif $-1 leq x leq 1$,\
      pi - 2arctan(x), & textif $x > 1$.
      endcases
      $$



      I differentiated the function corresponding to $1$ but my answer is coming to be $1$, but the book tells me the answer does not exist. How can we say the derivative doesn't exist?









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          Note that $arcsin$ is differentiable in $(-1,1)$, but it is not differentiable at $pm1$. Since $frac2times11+1^2=1$, it would be strange indeed if $f(x)=arcsinleft(frac2x1+x^2right)$ was differentiable at $1$.






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            What makes the function non differentiable at the extreme points.... Is there no neighbourhood to check verify slope of tangent at the extreme points?
            – GENESECT
            Aug 28 at 14:29







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            The tangent lines to the graph of $arcsin$ at $pmleft(1,fracpi2right)$ are vertical lines. Therefore, $arcsin$ is not differentiable at $pm1$.
            – José Carlos Santos
            Aug 28 at 14:31


















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          Notice that
          beginalign*
          f'(x) &= frac1sqrt1-left(frac2x1+x^2right)^2fracddxleft(frac2x1+x^2right)
          \&= frac1sqrtleft(frac1+x^21+x^2right)^2-left(frac2x1+x^2right)^2cdotfrac(1+x^2)(2) - (2x)(2x)(1+x^2)^2
          \&= sqrtfrac(1+x^2)^2(1-x^2)^2cdot frac2(1-x^2)(1+x^2)^2
          endalign*
          (Skipping a bit of the algebra here). You would like to cancel the square and square root, and in the case of $(1+x^2)$, you can. But $1-x^2$ could be positive or negative, so $sqrt(1-x^2)^2 = |1-x^2|$, not $1-x^2$. Therefore
          $$
          f'(x) = frac21+x^2cdot frac1-x^2
          $$
          As $xto 1$, the first factor tends to $2$, unambiguously. But the second factor is $pm 1$ depending on whether the numerator is positive or negative. That is,
          $$
          lim_xto 1^- f'(x) = 1qquadtextandqquadlim_xto 1^+ f'(x) = -1
          $$
          It follows that $f$ cannot be differentiable at $1$.






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            Recall that



            $$(arcsin u)'=frac1sqrt1-u^2$$



            and since the derivative tends to $infty$ as $uto 1^-$ the function is not differentiable at that point.



            That case is similar to $f(x)=sqrt x$ which has vertical tangent at $x=0$.






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              Note that $arcsin$ is differentiable in $(-1,1)$, but it is not differentiable at $pm1$. Since $frac2times11+1^2=1$, it would be strange indeed if $f(x)=arcsinleft(frac2x1+x^2right)$ was differentiable at $1$.






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                What makes the function non differentiable at the extreme points.... Is there no neighbourhood to check verify slope of tangent at the extreme points?
                – GENESECT
                Aug 28 at 14:29







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                The tangent lines to the graph of $arcsin$ at $pmleft(1,fracpi2right)$ are vertical lines. Therefore, $arcsin$ is not differentiable at $pm1$.
                – José Carlos Santos
                Aug 28 at 14:31















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              Note that $arcsin$ is differentiable in $(-1,1)$, but it is not differentiable at $pm1$. Since $frac2times11+1^2=1$, it would be strange indeed if $f(x)=arcsinleft(frac2x1+x^2right)$ was differentiable at $1$.






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                What makes the function non differentiable at the extreme points.... Is there no neighbourhood to check verify slope of tangent at the extreme points?
                – GENESECT
                Aug 28 at 14:29







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                The tangent lines to the graph of $arcsin$ at $pmleft(1,fracpi2right)$ are vertical lines. Therefore, $arcsin$ is not differentiable at $pm1$.
                – José Carlos Santos
                Aug 28 at 14:31













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              Note that $arcsin$ is differentiable in $(-1,1)$, but it is not differentiable at $pm1$. Since $frac2times11+1^2=1$, it would be strange indeed if $f(x)=arcsinleft(frac2x1+x^2right)$ was differentiable at $1$.






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              Note that $arcsin$ is differentiable in $(-1,1)$, but it is not differentiable at $pm1$. Since $frac2times11+1^2=1$, it would be strange indeed if $f(x)=arcsinleft(frac2x1+x^2right)$ was differentiable at $1$.







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                What makes the function non differentiable at the extreme points.... Is there no neighbourhood to check verify slope of tangent at the extreme points?
                – GENESECT
                Aug 28 at 14:29







              • 1




                The tangent lines to the graph of $arcsin$ at $pmleft(1,fracpi2right)$ are vertical lines. Therefore, $arcsin$ is not differentiable at $pm1$.
                – José Carlos Santos
                Aug 28 at 14:31













              • 1




                What makes the function non differentiable at the extreme points.... Is there no neighbourhood to check verify slope of tangent at the extreme points?
                – GENESECT
                Aug 28 at 14:29







              • 1




                The tangent lines to the graph of $arcsin$ at $pmleft(1,fracpi2right)$ are vertical lines. Therefore, $arcsin$ is not differentiable at $pm1$.
                – José Carlos Santos
                Aug 28 at 14:31








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              What makes the function non differentiable at the extreme points.... Is there no neighbourhood to check verify slope of tangent at the extreme points?
              – GENESECT
              Aug 28 at 14:29





              What makes the function non differentiable at the extreme points.... Is there no neighbourhood to check verify slope of tangent at the extreme points?
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              Aug 28 at 14:29





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              The tangent lines to the graph of $arcsin$ at $pmleft(1,fracpi2right)$ are vertical lines. Therefore, $arcsin$ is not differentiable at $pm1$.
              – José Carlos Santos
              Aug 28 at 14:31





              The tangent lines to the graph of $arcsin$ at $pmleft(1,fracpi2right)$ are vertical lines. Therefore, $arcsin$ is not differentiable at $pm1$.
              – José Carlos Santos
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              Notice that
              beginalign*
              f'(x) &= frac1sqrt1-left(frac2x1+x^2right)^2fracddxleft(frac2x1+x^2right)
              \&= frac1sqrtleft(frac1+x^21+x^2right)^2-left(frac2x1+x^2right)^2cdotfrac(1+x^2)(2) - (2x)(2x)(1+x^2)^2
              \&= sqrtfrac(1+x^2)^2(1-x^2)^2cdot frac2(1-x^2)(1+x^2)^2
              endalign*
              (Skipping a bit of the algebra here). You would like to cancel the square and square root, and in the case of $(1+x^2)$, you can. But $1-x^2$ could be positive or negative, so $sqrt(1-x^2)^2 = |1-x^2|$, not $1-x^2$. Therefore
              $$
              f'(x) = frac21+x^2cdot frac1-x^2
              $$
              As $xto 1$, the first factor tends to $2$, unambiguously. But the second factor is $pm 1$ depending on whether the numerator is positive or negative. That is,
              $$
              lim_xto 1^- f'(x) = 1qquadtextandqquadlim_xto 1^+ f'(x) = -1
              $$
              It follows that $f$ cannot be differentiable at $1$.






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                Notice that
                beginalign*
                f'(x) &= frac1sqrt1-left(frac2x1+x^2right)^2fracddxleft(frac2x1+x^2right)
                \&= frac1sqrtleft(frac1+x^21+x^2right)^2-left(frac2x1+x^2right)^2cdotfrac(1+x^2)(2) - (2x)(2x)(1+x^2)^2
                \&= sqrtfrac(1+x^2)^2(1-x^2)^2cdot frac2(1-x^2)(1+x^2)^2
                endalign*
                (Skipping a bit of the algebra here). You would like to cancel the square and square root, and in the case of $(1+x^2)$, you can. But $1-x^2$ could be positive or negative, so $sqrt(1-x^2)^2 = |1-x^2|$, not $1-x^2$. Therefore
                $$
                f'(x) = frac21+x^2cdot frac1-x^2
                $$
                As $xto 1$, the first factor tends to $2$, unambiguously. But the second factor is $pm 1$ depending on whether the numerator is positive or negative. That is,
                $$
                lim_xto 1^- f'(x) = 1qquadtextandqquadlim_xto 1^+ f'(x) = -1
                $$
                It follows that $f$ cannot be differentiable at $1$.






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                  Notice that
                  beginalign*
                  f'(x) &= frac1sqrt1-left(frac2x1+x^2right)^2fracddxleft(frac2x1+x^2right)
                  \&= frac1sqrtleft(frac1+x^21+x^2right)^2-left(frac2x1+x^2right)^2cdotfrac(1+x^2)(2) - (2x)(2x)(1+x^2)^2
                  \&= sqrtfrac(1+x^2)^2(1-x^2)^2cdot frac2(1-x^2)(1+x^2)^2
                  endalign*
                  (Skipping a bit of the algebra here). You would like to cancel the square and square root, and in the case of $(1+x^2)$, you can. But $1-x^2$ could be positive or negative, so $sqrt(1-x^2)^2 = |1-x^2|$, not $1-x^2$. Therefore
                  $$
                  f'(x) = frac21+x^2cdot frac1-x^2
                  $$
                  As $xto 1$, the first factor tends to $2$, unambiguously. But the second factor is $pm 1$ depending on whether the numerator is positive or negative. That is,
                  $$
                  lim_xto 1^- f'(x) = 1qquadtextandqquadlim_xto 1^+ f'(x) = -1
                  $$
                  It follows that $f$ cannot be differentiable at $1$.






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                  Notice that
                  beginalign*
                  f'(x) &= frac1sqrt1-left(frac2x1+x^2right)^2fracddxleft(frac2x1+x^2right)
                  \&= frac1sqrtleft(frac1+x^21+x^2right)^2-left(frac2x1+x^2right)^2cdotfrac(1+x^2)(2) - (2x)(2x)(1+x^2)^2
                  \&= sqrtfrac(1+x^2)^2(1-x^2)^2cdot frac2(1-x^2)(1+x^2)^2
                  endalign*
                  (Skipping a bit of the algebra here). You would like to cancel the square and square root, and in the case of $(1+x^2)$, you can. But $1-x^2$ could be positive or negative, so $sqrt(1-x^2)^2 = |1-x^2|$, not $1-x^2$. Therefore
                  $$
                  f'(x) = frac21+x^2cdot frac1-x^2
                  $$
                  As $xto 1$, the first factor tends to $2$, unambiguously. But the second factor is $pm 1$ depending on whether the numerator is positive or negative. That is,
                  $$
                  lim_xto 1^- f'(x) = 1qquadtextandqquadlim_xto 1^+ f'(x) = -1
                  $$
                  It follows that $f$ cannot be differentiable at $1$.







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                      Recall that



                      $$(arcsin u)'=frac1sqrt1-u^2$$



                      and since the derivative tends to $infty$ as $uto 1^-$ the function is not differentiable at that point.



                      That case is similar to $f(x)=sqrt x$ which has vertical tangent at $x=0$.






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                        Recall that



                        $$(arcsin u)'=frac1sqrt1-u^2$$



                        and since the derivative tends to $infty$ as $uto 1^-$ the function is not differentiable at that point.



                        That case is similar to $f(x)=sqrt x$ which has vertical tangent at $x=0$.






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                          Recall that



                          $$(arcsin u)'=frac1sqrt1-u^2$$



                          and since the derivative tends to $infty$ as $uto 1^-$ the function is not differentiable at that point.



                          That case is similar to $f(x)=sqrt x$ which has vertical tangent at $x=0$.






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                          Recall that



                          $$(arcsin u)'=frac1sqrt1-u^2$$



                          and since the derivative tends to $infty$ as $uto 1^-$ the function is not differentiable at that point.



                          That case is similar to $f(x)=sqrt x$ which has vertical tangent at $x=0$.







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