Finding a limit inside a limit 2

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I'm stuck with this problem:



Given $lim limits_x to 2 fracf(x+2)+3f(x^2)x^2+1=3$ find $lim limits_x to 4 f(x)$



I've alreadly asked this question (with a different example) (Finding a limit inside a limit) and I understood it perfectly, but I'm stuck in the last step:



$g(x)=fracf(x+2)+3f(x^2)x^2+1$ with $lim limits_x to 2 g(x)=3$



Solving for $f$:



$f(x+2)+f(x^2)=fracg(x)(x^2+1)5$



Now finding the limit as $x to 2$



$lim limits_xto 2 fracg(x)(x^2+1)5=lim limits_xto 2f(x+2)+f(x^2)=3$



And now I have no idea what to do...



$lim limits_xto 2 f(x+2) + lim limits_xto 2 f(x^2) = 3$










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I'm stuck with this problem:



Given $lim limits_x to 2 fracf(x+2)+3f(x^2)x^2+1=3$ find $lim limits_x to 4 f(x)$



I've alreadly asked this question (with a different example) (Finding a limit inside a limit) and I understood it perfectly, but I'm stuck in the last step:



$g(x)=fracf(x+2)+3f(x^2)x^2+1$ with $lim limits_x to 2 g(x)=3$



Solving for $f$:



$f(x+2)+f(x^2)=fracg(x)(x^2+1)5$



Now finding the limit as $x to 2$



$lim limits_xto 2 fracg(x)(x^2+1)5=lim limits_xto 2f(x+2)+f(x^2)=3$



And now I have no idea what to do...



$lim limits_xto 2 f(x+2) + lim limits_xto 2 f(x^2) = 3$










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I'm stuck with this problem:



Given $lim limits_x to 2 fracf(x+2)+3f(x^2)x^2+1=3$ find $lim limits_x to 4 f(x)$



I've alreadly asked this question (with a different example) (Finding a limit inside a limit) and I understood it perfectly, but I'm stuck in the last step:



$g(x)=fracf(x+2)+3f(x^2)x^2+1$ with $lim limits_x to 2 g(x)=3$



Solving for $f$:



$f(x+2)+f(x^2)=fracg(x)(x^2+1)5$



Now finding the limit as $x to 2$



$lim limits_xto 2 fracg(x)(x^2+1)5=lim limits_xto 2f(x+2)+f(x^2)=3$



And now I have no idea what to do...



$lim limits_xto 2 f(x+2) + lim limits_xto 2 f(x^2) = 3$










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I'm stuck with this problem:



Given $lim limits_x to 2 fracf(x+2)+3f(x^2)x^2+1=3$ find $lim limits_x to 4 f(x)$



I've alreadly asked this question (with a different example) (Finding a limit inside a limit) and I understood it perfectly, but I'm stuck in the last step:



$g(x)=fracf(x+2)+3f(x^2)x^2+1$ with $lim limits_x to 2 g(x)=3$



Solving for $f$:



$f(x+2)+f(x^2)=fracg(x)(x^2+1)5$



Now finding the limit as $x to 2$



$lim limits_xto 2 fracg(x)(x^2+1)5=lim limits_xto 2f(x+2)+f(x^2)=3$



And now I have no idea what to do...



$lim limits_xto 2 f(x+2) + lim limits_xto 2 f(x^2) = 3$







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  • I hope your question assumes that $lim_xto 4f(x)$ exists.
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  • I hope your question assumes that $lim_xto 4f(x)$ exists.
    – Paramanand Singh
    Sep 10 at 21:49















I hope your question assumes that $lim_xto 4f(x)$ exists.
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I hope your question assumes that $lim_xto 4f(x)$ exists.
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We do not reduce generality by assuming $f$ continuous at $x=2$ (we know that the limit exists), and the question can be simply solved as



$$fracf(4)+3f(4)2^2+1=3implies f(4)=frac154.$$






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  • @RushabhMehta: because it is convenient to set $f(4)=lim_xto4f(x)$, and this does not reduce the generality.
    – Yves Daoust
    Sep 10 at 21:00






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    @RushabhMehta: no, this does not reduce generality, the value of $f(4)$ is in fact immaterial. This is just a matter of convenience, I don't want to introduce a heavy notation such as $f^*(x):= f(x) land f^*(4)=lim_xto4f(x)$ and blahblah.
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$$lim limits_x to 2 fracf(x+2)+3f(x^2)x^2+1=3$$



Assuming the limits exist, we have $$lim limits_x to 2 f(x+2)+3f(x^2) = 3(2^2)+1=15$$



Thus $4 (lim _xto 4 f(x))= 15 $ which results in $lim _xto 4=15/4$






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    For the first limit, do the variable change $u = x+2$, so that $u to 4$ as $x to 2$, giving
    $$ lim_xto 2 f(x+2) =lim_uto 2 f(u), $$
    and for the second limit, do the variable change $v = x^2$, so that $v to 4$ as $x to 2$, giving
    $$ lim_xto 2 f(x^2)=lim_vto 2 f(v), $$
    so that the LHS of the final equality in your post is $$2lim_xto 4 f(x). $$ Also, the RHS in that same equality is wrong, as pointed out by the others.






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    • Sorry, could you please do more steps? I've been trying to do this but I couldn't.
      – parishilton
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    You are almost there!



    First, let's note that since $2^2+1=5$, so $limlimits_xto2f(x+2)+3lim_xto2f(x^2)=15$, not $3$.



    Next, note a very special property of $2$: $2^2=2+2$. This is important because we know then that $limlimits_xto2f(x+2)=limlimits_xto2f(x^2)=limlimits_xto4f(x)$ as polynomials are continuous functions. Hence, $4cdotlimlimits_xto4f(x)=15$ so $$lim_xto4f(x)=colorredfrac154$$






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    • It is nowhere said that $f$ is a polynomial function, and as you know, continuity at $x=4$ is not required.
      – Yves Daoust
      Sep 10 at 21:08










    • @YvesDaoust I never said $f$ is polynomial. $x^2$ and $x+2$ are, which leads the limits to be the same. Please read before you downvote.
      – Rushabh Mehta
      Sep 10 at 21:12










    • I'd be more comfortable upvoting if you were to explain why $lim limits_xto 2left(f(x+2)+3fleft(x^2right)right)$ exists and, at least state that $lim limits_xto 2left(fleft(x^2right)right)$ existing implies that $lim limits_xto 4left(f(x)right)$. I do not agree that just saying $xmapsto x^2$ is continuous is convincing enough. In this context, if $lim (varphi circ psi)$ and $lim psi$ exist, you can't just say that $lim varphi$ exists without some explanation.
      – Git Gud
      Sep 10 at 21:33










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    We do not reduce generality by assuming $f$ continuous at $x=2$ (we know that the limit exists), and the question can be simply solved as



    $$fracf(4)+3f(4)2^2+1=3implies f(4)=frac154.$$






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    • @RushabhMehta: because it is convenient to set $f(4)=lim_xto4f(x)$, and this does not reduce the generality.
      – Yves Daoust
      Sep 10 at 21:00






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      @RushabhMehta: no, this does not reduce generality, the value of $f(4)$ is in fact immaterial. This is just a matter of convenience, I don't want to introduce a heavy notation such as $f^*(x):= f(x) land f^*(4)=lim_xto4f(x)$ and blahblah.
      – Yves Daoust
      Sep 10 at 21:02















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    We do not reduce generality by assuming $f$ continuous at $x=2$ (we know that the limit exists), and the question can be simply solved as



    $$fracf(4)+3f(4)2^2+1=3implies f(4)=frac154.$$






    share|cite|improve this answer






















    • @RushabhMehta: because it is convenient to set $f(4)=lim_xto4f(x)$, and this does not reduce the generality.
      – Yves Daoust
      Sep 10 at 21:00






    • 1




      @RushabhMehta: no, this does not reduce generality, the value of $f(4)$ is in fact immaterial. This is just a matter of convenience, I don't want to introduce a heavy notation such as $f^*(x):= f(x) land f^*(4)=lim_xto4f(x)$ and blahblah.
      – Yves Daoust
      Sep 10 at 21:02













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    We do not reduce generality by assuming $f$ continuous at $x=2$ (we know that the limit exists), and the question can be simply solved as



    $$fracf(4)+3f(4)2^2+1=3implies f(4)=frac154.$$






    share|cite|improve this answer














    We do not reduce generality by assuming $f$ continuous at $x=2$ (we know that the limit exists), and the question can be simply solved as



    $$fracf(4)+3f(4)2^2+1=3implies f(4)=frac154.$$







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    • @RushabhMehta: because it is convenient to set $f(4)=lim_xto4f(x)$, and this does not reduce the generality.
      – Yves Daoust
      Sep 10 at 21:00






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      @RushabhMehta: no, this does not reduce generality, the value of $f(4)$ is in fact immaterial. This is just a matter of convenience, I don't want to introduce a heavy notation such as $f^*(x):= f(x) land f^*(4)=lim_xto4f(x)$ and blahblah.
      – Yves Daoust
      Sep 10 at 21:02

















    • @RushabhMehta: because it is convenient to set $f(4)=lim_xto4f(x)$, and this does not reduce the generality.
      – Yves Daoust
      Sep 10 at 21:00






    • 1




      @RushabhMehta: no, this does not reduce generality, the value of $f(4)$ is in fact immaterial. This is just a matter of convenience, I don't want to introduce a heavy notation such as $f^*(x):= f(x) land f^*(4)=lim_xto4f(x)$ and blahblah.
      – Yves Daoust
      Sep 10 at 21:02
















    @RushabhMehta: because it is convenient to set $f(4)=lim_xto4f(x)$, and this does not reduce the generality.
    – Yves Daoust
    Sep 10 at 21:00




    @RushabhMehta: because it is convenient to set $f(4)=lim_xto4f(x)$, and this does not reduce the generality.
    – Yves Daoust
    Sep 10 at 21:00




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    @RushabhMehta: no, this does not reduce generality, the value of $f(4)$ is in fact immaterial. This is just a matter of convenience, I don't want to introduce a heavy notation such as $f^*(x):= f(x) land f^*(4)=lim_xto4f(x)$ and blahblah.
    – Yves Daoust
    Sep 10 at 21:02





    @RushabhMehta: no, this does not reduce generality, the value of $f(4)$ is in fact immaterial. This is just a matter of convenience, I don't want to introduce a heavy notation such as $f^*(x):= f(x) land f^*(4)=lim_xto4f(x)$ and blahblah.
    – Yves Daoust
    Sep 10 at 21:02











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    $$lim limits_x to 2 fracf(x+2)+3f(x^2)x^2+1=3$$



    Assuming the limits exist, we have $$lim limits_x to 2 f(x+2)+3f(x^2) = 3(2^2)+1=15$$



    Thus $4 (lim _xto 4 f(x))= 15 $ which results in $lim _xto 4=15/4$






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      $$lim limits_x to 2 fracf(x+2)+3f(x^2)x^2+1=3$$



      Assuming the limits exist, we have $$lim limits_x to 2 f(x+2)+3f(x^2) = 3(2^2)+1=15$$



      Thus $4 (lim _xto 4 f(x))= 15 $ which results in $lim _xto 4=15/4$






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        $$lim limits_x to 2 fracf(x+2)+3f(x^2)x^2+1=3$$



        Assuming the limits exist, we have $$lim limits_x to 2 f(x+2)+3f(x^2) = 3(2^2)+1=15$$



        Thus $4 (lim _xto 4 f(x))= 15 $ which results in $lim _xto 4=15/4$






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        $$lim limits_x to 2 fracf(x+2)+3f(x^2)x^2+1=3$$



        Assuming the limits exist, we have $$lim limits_x to 2 f(x+2)+3f(x^2) = 3(2^2)+1=15$$



        Thus $4 (lim _xto 4 f(x))= 15 $ which results in $lim _xto 4=15/4$







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            For the first limit, do the variable change $u = x+2$, so that $u to 4$ as $x to 2$, giving
            $$ lim_xto 2 f(x+2) =lim_uto 2 f(u), $$
            and for the second limit, do the variable change $v = x^2$, so that $v to 4$ as $x to 2$, giving
            $$ lim_xto 2 f(x^2)=lim_vto 2 f(v), $$
            so that the LHS of the final equality in your post is $$2lim_xto 4 f(x). $$ Also, the RHS in that same equality is wrong, as pointed out by the others.






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            • Sorry, could you please do more steps? I've been trying to do this but I couldn't.
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            For the first limit, do the variable change $u = x+2$, so that $u to 4$ as $x to 2$, giving
            $$ lim_xto 2 f(x+2) =lim_uto 2 f(u), $$
            and for the second limit, do the variable change $v = x^2$, so that $v to 4$ as $x to 2$, giving
            $$ lim_xto 2 f(x^2)=lim_vto 2 f(v), $$
            so that the LHS of the final equality in your post is $$2lim_xto 4 f(x). $$ Also, the RHS in that same equality is wrong, as pointed out by the others.






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            • Sorry, could you please do more steps? I've been trying to do this but I couldn't.
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            For the first limit, do the variable change $u = x+2$, so that $u to 4$ as $x to 2$, giving
            $$ lim_xto 2 f(x+2) =lim_uto 2 f(u), $$
            and for the second limit, do the variable change $v = x^2$, so that $v to 4$ as $x to 2$, giving
            $$ lim_xto 2 f(x^2)=lim_vto 2 f(v), $$
            so that the LHS of the final equality in your post is $$2lim_xto 4 f(x). $$ Also, the RHS in that same equality is wrong, as pointed out by the others.






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            For the first limit, do the variable change $u = x+2$, so that $u to 4$ as $x to 2$, giving
            $$ lim_xto 2 f(x+2) =lim_uto 2 f(u), $$
            and for the second limit, do the variable change $v = x^2$, so that $v to 4$ as $x to 2$, giving
            $$ lim_xto 2 f(x^2)=lim_vto 2 f(v), $$
            so that the LHS of the final equality in your post is $$2lim_xto 4 f(x). $$ Also, the RHS in that same equality is wrong, as pointed out by the others.







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            • Sorry, could you please do more steps? I've been trying to do this but I couldn't.
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            • Sorry, could you please do more steps? I've been trying to do this but I couldn't.
              – parishilton
              Sep 10 at 21:02















            Sorry, could you please do more steps? I've been trying to do this but I couldn't.
            – parishilton
            Sep 10 at 21:02




            Sorry, could you please do more steps? I've been trying to do this but I couldn't.
            – parishilton
            Sep 10 at 21:02










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            You are almost there!



            First, let's note that since $2^2+1=5$, so $limlimits_xto2f(x+2)+3lim_xto2f(x^2)=15$, not $3$.



            Next, note a very special property of $2$: $2^2=2+2$. This is important because we know then that $limlimits_xto2f(x+2)=limlimits_xto2f(x^2)=limlimits_xto4f(x)$ as polynomials are continuous functions. Hence, $4cdotlimlimits_xto4f(x)=15$ so $$lim_xto4f(x)=colorredfrac154$$






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            • It is nowhere said that $f$ is a polynomial function, and as you know, continuity at $x=4$ is not required.
              – Yves Daoust
              Sep 10 at 21:08










            • @YvesDaoust I never said $f$ is polynomial. $x^2$ and $x+2$ are, which leads the limits to be the same. Please read before you downvote.
              – Rushabh Mehta
              Sep 10 at 21:12










            • I'd be more comfortable upvoting if you were to explain why $lim limits_xto 2left(f(x+2)+3fleft(x^2right)right)$ exists and, at least state that $lim limits_xto 2left(fleft(x^2right)right)$ existing implies that $lim limits_xto 4left(f(x)right)$. I do not agree that just saying $xmapsto x^2$ is continuous is convincing enough. In this context, if $lim (varphi circ psi)$ and $lim psi$ exist, you can't just say that $lim varphi$ exists without some explanation.
              – Git Gud
              Sep 10 at 21:33














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            You are almost there!



            First, let's note that since $2^2+1=5$, so $limlimits_xto2f(x+2)+3lim_xto2f(x^2)=15$, not $3$.



            Next, note a very special property of $2$: $2^2=2+2$. This is important because we know then that $limlimits_xto2f(x+2)=limlimits_xto2f(x^2)=limlimits_xto4f(x)$ as polynomials are continuous functions. Hence, $4cdotlimlimits_xto4f(x)=15$ so $$lim_xto4f(x)=colorredfrac154$$






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            • It is nowhere said that $f$ is a polynomial function, and as you know, continuity at $x=4$ is not required.
              – Yves Daoust
              Sep 10 at 21:08










            • @YvesDaoust I never said $f$ is polynomial. $x^2$ and $x+2$ are, which leads the limits to be the same. Please read before you downvote.
              – Rushabh Mehta
              Sep 10 at 21:12










            • I'd be more comfortable upvoting if you were to explain why $lim limits_xto 2left(f(x+2)+3fleft(x^2right)right)$ exists and, at least state that $lim limits_xto 2left(fleft(x^2right)right)$ existing implies that $lim limits_xto 4left(f(x)right)$. I do not agree that just saying $xmapsto x^2$ is continuous is convincing enough. In this context, if $lim (varphi circ psi)$ and $lim psi$ exist, you can't just say that $lim varphi$ exists without some explanation.
              – Git Gud
              Sep 10 at 21:33












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            You are almost there!



            First, let's note that since $2^2+1=5$, so $limlimits_xto2f(x+2)+3lim_xto2f(x^2)=15$, not $3$.



            Next, note a very special property of $2$: $2^2=2+2$. This is important because we know then that $limlimits_xto2f(x+2)=limlimits_xto2f(x^2)=limlimits_xto4f(x)$ as polynomials are continuous functions. Hence, $4cdotlimlimits_xto4f(x)=15$ so $$lim_xto4f(x)=colorredfrac154$$






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            You are almost there!



            First, let's note that since $2^2+1=5$, so $limlimits_xto2f(x+2)+3lim_xto2f(x^2)=15$, not $3$.



            Next, note a very special property of $2$: $2^2=2+2$. This is important because we know then that $limlimits_xto2f(x+2)=limlimits_xto2f(x^2)=limlimits_xto4f(x)$ as polynomials are continuous functions. Hence, $4cdotlimlimits_xto4f(x)=15$ so $$lim_xto4f(x)=colorredfrac154$$







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            • It is nowhere said that $f$ is a polynomial function, and as you know, continuity at $x=4$ is not required.
              – Yves Daoust
              Sep 10 at 21:08










            • @YvesDaoust I never said $f$ is polynomial. $x^2$ and $x+2$ are, which leads the limits to be the same. Please read before you downvote.
              – Rushabh Mehta
              Sep 10 at 21:12










            • I'd be more comfortable upvoting if you were to explain why $lim limits_xto 2left(f(x+2)+3fleft(x^2right)right)$ exists and, at least state that $lim limits_xto 2left(fleft(x^2right)right)$ existing implies that $lim limits_xto 4left(f(x)right)$. I do not agree that just saying $xmapsto x^2$ is continuous is convincing enough. In this context, if $lim (varphi circ psi)$ and $lim psi$ exist, you can't just say that $lim varphi$ exists without some explanation.
              – Git Gud
              Sep 10 at 21:33
















            • It is nowhere said that $f$ is a polynomial function, and as you know, continuity at $x=4$ is not required.
              – Yves Daoust
              Sep 10 at 21:08










            • @YvesDaoust I never said $f$ is polynomial. $x^2$ and $x+2$ are, which leads the limits to be the same. Please read before you downvote.
              – Rushabh Mehta
              Sep 10 at 21:12










            • I'd be more comfortable upvoting if you were to explain why $lim limits_xto 2left(f(x+2)+3fleft(x^2right)right)$ exists and, at least state that $lim limits_xto 2left(fleft(x^2right)right)$ existing implies that $lim limits_xto 4left(f(x)right)$. I do not agree that just saying $xmapsto x^2$ is continuous is convincing enough. In this context, if $lim (varphi circ psi)$ and $lim psi$ exist, you can't just say that $lim varphi$ exists without some explanation.
              – Git Gud
              Sep 10 at 21:33















            It is nowhere said that $f$ is a polynomial function, and as you know, continuity at $x=4$ is not required.
            – Yves Daoust
            Sep 10 at 21:08




            It is nowhere said that $f$ is a polynomial function, and as you know, continuity at $x=4$ is not required.
            – Yves Daoust
            Sep 10 at 21:08












            @YvesDaoust I never said $f$ is polynomial. $x^2$ and $x+2$ are, which leads the limits to be the same. Please read before you downvote.
            – Rushabh Mehta
            Sep 10 at 21:12




            @YvesDaoust I never said $f$ is polynomial. $x^2$ and $x+2$ are, which leads the limits to be the same. Please read before you downvote.
            – Rushabh Mehta
            Sep 10 at 21:12












            I'd be more comfortable upvoting if you were to explain why $lim limits_xto 2left(f(x+2)+3fleft(x^2right)right)$ exists and, at least state that $lim limits_xto 2left(fleft(x^2right)right)$ existing implies that $lim limits_xto 4left(f(x)right)$. I do not agree that just saying $xmapsto x^2$ is continuous is convincing enough. In this context, if $lim (varphi circ psi)$ and $lim psi$ exist, you can't just say that $lim varphi$ exists without some explanation.
            – Git Gud
            Sep 10 at 21:33




            I'd be more comfortable upvoting if you were to explain why $lim limits_xto 2left(f(x+2)+3fleft(x^2right)right)$ exists and, at least state that $lim limits_xto 2left(fleft(x^2right)right)$ existing implies that $lim limits_xto 4left(f(x)right)$. I do not agree that just saying $xmapsto x^2$ is continuous is convincing enough. In this context, if $lim (varphi circ psi)$ and $lim psi$ exist, you can't just say that $lim varphi$ exists without some explanation.
            – Git Gud
            Sep 10 at 21:33

















             

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