Can we prove this inequality $1+sqrt2+cdots+sqrtn<frac4n+36sqrtn$ using integrals by parts?

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Can we prove this inequality $1+sqrt2+cdots+sqrtn<dfrac4n+36sqrtn$ using integrals by parts?



I need to prove this inequality, and I tried this way:



$$beginsplit
int_0^nsqrtx ,dx &=sumlimits_k=1^n int_k-1^k sqrtx, dx\
&=sumlimits_k=1^n int_0^1 sqrtt+k-1 , dt\
&=sumlimits_k=1^n sqrtk-sumlimits_k=1^n int_0^1dfract2sqrtt+k-1,dt
endsplit$$



Thus
$$sumlimits_k=1^n sqrtk=int_0^n sqrtx, dx+sumlimits_k=1^n int_0^1 dfract2sqrtt+k-1, dt$$.



But maybe I didn't find some inequality trick, I cannot find a proper approxmation of the sum of the integrals.










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    Can we prove this inequality $1+sqrt2+cdots+sqrtn<dfrac4n+36sqrtn$ using integrals by parts?



    I need to prove this inequality, and I tried this way:



    $$beginsplit
    int_0^nsqrtx ,dx &=sumlimits_k=1^n int_k-1^k sqrtx, dx\
    &=sumlimits_k=1^n int_0^1 sqrtt+k-1 , dt\
    &=sumlimits_k=1^n sqrtk-sumlimits_k=1^n int_0^1dfract2sqrtt+k-1,dt
    endsplit$$



    Thus
    $$sumlimits_k=1^n sqrtk=int_0^n sqrtx, dx+sumlimits_k=1^n int_0^1 dfract2sqrtt+k-1, dt$$.



    But maybe I didn't find some inequality trick, I cannot find a proper approxmation of the sum of the integrals.










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      Can we prove this inequality $1+sqrt2+cdots+sqrtn<dfrac4n+36sqrtn$ using integrals by parts?



      I need to prove this inequality, and I tried this way:



      $$beginsplit
      int_0^nsqrtx ,dx &=sumlimits_k=1^n int_k-1^k sqrtx, dx\
      &=sumlimits_k=1^n int_0^1 sqrtt+k-1 , dt\
      &=sumlimits_k=1^n sqrtk-sumlimits_k=1^n int_0^1dfract2sqrtt+k-1,dt
      endsplit$$



      Thus
      $$sumlimits_k=1^n sqrtk=int_0^n sqrtx, dx+sumlimits_k=1^n int_0^1 dfract2sqrtt+k-1, dt$$.



      But maybe I didn't find some inequality trick, I cannot find a proper approxmation of the sum of the integrals.










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      Can we prove this inequality $1+sqrt2+cdots+sqrtn<dfrac4n+36sqrtn$ using integrals by parts?



      I need to prove this inequality, and I tried this way:



      $$beginsplit
      int_0^nsqrtx ,dx &=sumlimits_k=1^n int_k-1^k sqrtx, dx\
      &=sumlimits_k=1^n int_0^1 sqrtt+k-1 , dt\
      &=sumlimits_k=1^n sqrtk-sumlimits_k=1^n int_0^1dfract2sqrtt+k-1,dt
      endsplit$$



      Thus
      $$sumlimits_k=1^n sqrtk=int_0^n sqrtx, dx+sumlimits_k=1^n int_0^1 dfract2sqrtt+k-1, dt$$.



      But maybe I didn't find some inequality trick, I cannot find a proper approxmation of the sum of the integrals.







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          First, see that we have



          $$
          int_0^n sqrtx ;dx = frac4n6sqrtn
          $$



          which gives us a "part" of the demanded result. Moreover, it suggests that we should try to prove the following:



          $$
          sum_k=1^n int_0^1 fract2sqrtt+k-1 ;dt < frac36sqrtn = frac12sqrtn
          $$



          Evaluating the integral we get:



          beginalign
          int_0^1 fract2sqrtt+k-1 ;dt &=
          int_k-1^k fracx-k+12sqrtx ;dx =
          frac12 int_k-1^k sqrtx ;dx - (k-1)
          int_k-1^k frac12sqrtx ;dx \
          &=
          frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right)
          endalign



          However, for all $k geq 1$, you can prove that:



          $$
          frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right) <
          frac12 left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right)
          $$



          So we end up with a telescoping sum and the result we wanted:



          $$
          sum_k=1^n int_0^1 fract2sqrtt+k-1 ;dt <
          frac12 sum_k=1^n left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right) =
          frac12 sqrtn
          $$






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          • I can prove the inequality $frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right) < frac12 left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right)$ by induction, but how can we prove it more strictly?
            – é—«å˜‰ç¦
            Sep 11 at 15:15










          • This inequality is equivalent to $(4k-1)sqrtk-1 < (4k-3)sqrtk$. Try to square it (both sides are $geq 0$ for $kgeq 1$).
            – mwt
            Sep 11 at 18:18

















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          Hint: Prove that $$int_k-1^ksqrtxdx>dfracsqrtk+sqrtk-12$$ and then sum up to get your desired conclusion. You can just do this manually or generally this follows from a very well-known fact that the trapeziodal rule underestimates integral if the function is concave down. ($f(x) = sqrtx$) is concave down)






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          • With the reverse inequality of f(x) is concave up.
            – marty cohen
            Sep 13 at 20:16










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          up vote
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          accepted










          First, see that we have



          $$
          int_0^n sqrtx ;dx = frac4n6sqrtn
          $$



          which gives us a "part" of the demanded result. Moreover, it suggests that we should try to prove the following:



          $$
          sum_k=1^n int_0^1 fract2sqrtt+k-1 ;dt < frac36sqrtn = frac12sqrtn
          $$



          Evaluating the integral we get:



          beginalign
          int_0^1 fract2sqrtt+k-1 ;dt &=
          int_k-1^k fracx-k+12sqrtx ;dx =
          frac12 int_k-1^k sqrtx ;dx - (k-1)
          int_k-1^k frac12sqrtx ;dx \
          &=
          frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right)
          endalign



          However, for all $k geq 1$, you can prove that:



          $$
          frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right) <
          frac12 left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right)
          $$



          So we end up with a telescoping sum and the result we wanted:



          $$
          sum_k=1^n int_0^1 fract2sqrtt+k-1 ;dt <
          frac12 sum_k=1^n left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right) =
          frac12 sqrtn
          $$






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          • I can prove the inequality $frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right) < frac12 left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right)$ by induction, but how can we prove it more strictly?
            – é—«å˜‰ç¦
            Sep 11 at 15:15










          • This inequality is equivalent to $(4k-1)sqrtk-1 < (4k-3)sqrtk$. Try to square it (both sides are $geq 0$ for $kgeq 1$).
            – mwt
            Sep 11 at 18:18














          up vote
          2
          down vote



          accepted










          First, see that we have



          $$
          int_0^n sqrtx ;dx = frac4n6sqrtn
          $$



          which gives us a "part" of the demanded result. Moreover, it suggests that we should try to prove the following:



          $$
          sum_k=1^n int_0^1 fract2sqrtt+k-1 ;dt < frac36sqrtn = frac12sqrtn
          $$



          Evaluating the integral we get:



          beginalign
          int_0^1 fract2sqrtt+k-1 ;dt &=
          int_k-1^k fracx-k+12sqrtx ;dx =
          frac12 int_k-1^k sqrtx ;dx - (k-1)
          int_k-1^k frac12sqrtx ;dx \
          &=
          frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right)
          endalign



          However, for all $k geq 1$, you can prove that:



          $$
          frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right) <
          frac12 left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right)
          $$



          So we end up with a telescoping sum and the result we wanted:



          $$
          sum_k=1^n int_0^1 fract2sqrtt+k-1 ;dt <
          frac12 sum_k=1^n left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right) =
          frac12 sqrtn
          $$






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          • I can prove the inequality $frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right) < frac12 left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right)$ by induction, but how can we prove it more strictly?
            – é—«å˜‰ç¦
            Sep 11 at 15:15










          • This inequality is equivalent to $(4k-1)sqrtk-1 < (4k-3)sqrtk$. Try to square it (both sides are $geq 0$ for $kgeq 1$).
            – mwt
            Sep 11 at 18:18












          up vote
          2
          down vote



          accepted







          up vote
          2
          down vote



          accepted






          First, see that we have



          $$
          int_0^n sqrtx ;dx = frac4n6sqrtn
          $$



          which gives us a "part" of the demanded result. Moreover, it suggests that we should try to prove the following:



          $$
          sum_k=1^n int_0^1 fract2sqrtt+k-1 ;dt < frac36sqrtn = frac12sqrtn
          $$



          Evaluating the integral we get:



          beginalign
          int_0^1 fract2sqrtt+k-1 ;dt &=
          int_k-1^k fracx-k+12sqrtx ;dx =
          frac12 int_k-1^k sqrtx ;dx - (k-1)
          int_k-1^k frac12sqrtx ;dx \
          &=
          frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right)
          endalign



          However, for all $k geq 1$, you can prove that:



          $$
          frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right) <
          frac12 left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right)
          $$



          So we end up with a telescoping sum and the result we wanted:



          $$
          sum_k=1^n int_0^1 fract2sqrtt+k-1 ;dt <
          frac12 sum_k=1^n left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right) =
          frac12 sqrtn
          $$






          share|cite|improve this answer














          First, see that we have



          $$
          int_0^n sqrtx ;dx = frac4n6sqrtn
          $$



          which gives us a "part" of the demanded result. Moreover, it suggests that we should try to prove the following:



          $$
          sum_k=1^n int_0^1 fract2sqrtt+k-1 ;dt < frac36sqrtn = frac12sqrtn
          $$



          Evaluating the integral we get:



          beginalign
          int_0^1 fract2sqrtt+k-1 ;dt &=
          int_k-1^k fracx-k+12sqrtx ;dx =
          frac12 int_k-1^k sqrtx ;dx - (k-1)
          int_k-1^k frac12sqrtx ;dx \
          &=
          frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right)
          endalign



          However, for all $k geq 1$, you can prove that:



          $$
          frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right) <
          frac12 left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right)
          $$



          So we end up with a telescoping sum and the result we wanted:



          $$
          sum_k=1^n int_0^1 fract2sqrtt+k-1 ;dt <
          frac12 sum_k=1^n left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right) =
          frac12 sqrtn
          $$







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          • I can prove the inequality $frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right) < frac12 left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right)$ by induction, but how can we prove it more strictly?
            – é—«å˜‰ç¦
            Sep 11 at 15:15










          • This inequality is equivalent to $(4k-1)sqrtk-1 < (4k-3)sqrtk$. Try to square it (both sides are $geq 0$ for $kgeq 1$).
            – mwt
            Sep 11 at 18:18
















          • I can prove the inequality $frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right) < frac12 left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right)$ by induction, but how can we prove it more strictly?
            – é—«å˜‰ç¦
            Sep 11 at 15:15










          • This inequality is equivalent to $(4k-1)sqrtk-1 < (4k-3)sqrtk$. Try to square it (both sides are $geq 0$ for $kgeq 1$).
            – mwt
            Sep 11 at 18:18















          I can prove the inequality $frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right) < frac12 left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right)$ by induction, but how can we prove it more strictly?
          – é—«å˜‰ç¦
          Sep 11 at 15:15




          I can prove the inequality $frac13 left(-2ksqrtk + 2ksqrtk-1 + 3sqrtk - 2sqrtk-1right) < frac12 left(sqrtk-sqrtk-1right)$ by induction, but how can we prove it more strictly?
          – é—«å˜‰ç¦
          Sep 11 at 15:15












          This inequality is equivalent to $(4k-1)sqrtk-1 < (4k-3)sqrtk$. Try to square it (both sides are $geq 0$ for $kgeq 1$).
          – mwt
          Sep 11 at 18:18




          This inequality is equivalent to $(4k-1)sqrtk-1 < (4k-3)sqrtk$. Try to square it (both sides are $geq 0$ for $kgeq 1$).
          – mwt
          Sep 11 at 18:18










          up vote
          2
          down vote













          Hint: Prove that $$int_k-1^ksqrtxdx>dfracsqrtk+sqrtk-12$$ and then sum up to get your desired conclusion. You can just do this manually or generally this follows from a very well-known fact that the trapeziodal rule underestimates integral if the function is concave down. ($f(x) = sqrtx$) is concave down)






          share|cite|improve this answer




















          • With the reverse inequality of f(x) is concave up.
            – marty cohen
            Sep 13 at 20:16














          up vote
          2
          down vote













          Hint: Prove that $$int_k-1^ksqrtxdx>dfracsqrtk+sqrtk-12$$ and then sum up to get your desired conclusion. You can just do this manually or generally this follows from a very well-known fact that the trapeziodal rule underestimates integral if the function is concave down. ($f(x) = sqrtx$) is concave down)






          share|cite|improve this answer




















          • With the reverse inequality of f(x) is concave up.
            – marty cohen
            Sep 13 at 20:16












          up vote
          2
          down vote










          up vote
          2
          down vote









          Hint: Prove that $$int_k-1^ksqrtxdx>dfracsqrtk+sqrtk-12$$ and then sum up to get your desired conclusion. You can just do this manually or generally this follows from a very well-known fact that the trapeziodal rule underestimates integral if the function is concave down. ($f(x) = sqrtx$) is concave down)






          share|cite|improve this answer












          Hint: Prove that $$int_k-1^ksqrtxdx>dfracsqrtk+sqrtk-12$$ and then sum up to get your desired conclusion. You can just do this manually or generally this follows from a very well-known fact that the trapeziodal rule underestimates integral if the function is concave down. ($f(x) = sqrtx$) is concave down)







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          • With the reverse inequality of f(x) is concave up.
            – marty cohen
            Sep 13 at 20:16
















          • With the reverse inequality of f(x) is concave up.
            – marty cohen
            Sep 13 at 20:16















          With the reverse inequality of f(x) is concave up.
          – marty cohen
          Sep 13 at 20:16




          With the reverse inequality of f(x) is concave up.
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          Sep 13 at 20:16

















           

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