Finding derivative given $f(x)$ and limit
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this is my very first post here. I'm a longtime lurker, I have learned a lot from this site and I hope I can, even though I'm still a student, be of any help to others.
I have been working on the following exercise. Given:
$ f(4) = a, f'(4) = b
$ and
$$ lim_xto 2 = f(3x-2)-5 over (x^2-4) = 9$$
Find a and b.
I already found the value of $a$ following this reasoning: $f(4)$ must be such a value that, when replaced in the given limit, yields zero; otherwise, the limit won't be $9$ but infinity. Under the assumption that I can factor the denominator easily -and simplify $(x-2)$ from $f(x)$ I found $a=f(4)=5$ and it coincides with the answer. I have, however, no reasonable clue of how to approach the $f'(4)=b$ part. All the information I seem to have is that the derivative is continuous, and that $(x-2)$ must be a factor of $f(x)$ .If it's derivative is continuous over Reals, then I infer that it is not a rational function. But I still cant see the right path towards the solution.
I'd be extremely grateful if someone could give me a hint, so I can work it out by myself
Thanks in advance!
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this is my very first post here. I'm a longtime lurker, I have learned a lot from this site and I hope I can, even though I'm still a student, be of any help to others.
I have been working on the following exercise. Given:
$ f(4) = a, f'(4) = b
$ and
$$ lim_xto 2 = f(3x-2)-5 over (x^2-4) = 9$$
Find a and b.
I already found the value of $a$ following this reasoning: $f(4)$ must be such a value that, when replaced in the given limit, yields zero; otherwise, the limit won't be $9$ but infinity. Under the assumption that I can factor the denominator easily -and simplify $(x-2)$ from $f(x)$ I found $a=f(4)=5$ and it coincides with the answer. I have, however, no reasonable clue of how to approach the $f'(4)=b$ part. All the information I seem to have is that the derivative is continuous, and that $(x-2)$ must be a factor of $f(x)$ .If it's derivative is continuous over Reals, then I infer that it is not a rational function. But I still cant see the right path towards the solution.
I'd be extremely grateful if someone could give me a hint, so I can work it out by myself
Thanks in advance!
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You can use L'Hopital's rule in the limit.
â SMM
Sep 10 at 20:17
@artem Is the fact that $f$ is $C^1$ an actual hypothesis, or is it a guess of yours (and you seem to have it)?
â Saucy O'Path
Sep 10 at 20:24
@SaucyO'Path Actually Artem mentioned that he has the information that the derivative is continuous.
â SMM
Sep 10 at 20:24
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this is my very first post here. I'm a longtime lurker, I have learned a lot from this site and I hope I can, even though I'm still a student, be of any help to others.
I have been working on the following exercise. Given:
$ f(4) = a, f'(4) = b
$ and
$$ lim_xto 2 = f(3x-2)-5 over (x^2-4) = 9$$
Find a and b.
I already found the value of $a$ following this reasoning: $f(4)$ must be such a value that, when replaced in the given limit, yields zero; otherwise, the limit won't be $9$ but infinity. Under the assumption that I can factor the denominator easily -and simplify $(x-2)$ from $f(x)$ I found $a=f(4)=5$ and it coincides with the answer. I have, however, no reasonable clue of how to approach the $f'(4)=b$ part. All the information I seem to have is that the derivative is continuous, and that $(x-2)$ must be a factor of $f(x)$ .If it's derivative is continuous over Reals, then I infer that it is not a rational function. But I still cant see the right path towards the solution.
I'd be extremely grateful if someone could give me a hint, so I can work it out by myself
Thanks in advance!
functions derivatives
this is my very first post here. I'm a longtime lurker, I have learned a lot from this site and I hope I can, even though I'm still a student, be of any help to others.
I have been working on the following exercise. Given:
$ f(4) = a, f'(4) = b
$ and
$$ lim_xto 2 = f(3x-2)-5 over (x^2-4) = 9$$
Find a and b.
I already found the value of $a$ following this reasoning: $f(4)$ must be such a value that, when replaced in the given limit, yields zero; otherwise, the limit won't be $9$ but infinity. Under the assumption that I can factor the denominator easily -and simplify $(x-2)$ from $f(x)$ I found $a=f(4)=5$ and it coincides with the answer. I have, however, no reasonable clue of how to approach the $f'(4)=b$ part. All the information I seem to have is that the derivative is continuous, and that $(x-2)$ must be a factor of $f(x)$ .If it's derivative is continuous over Reals, then I infer that it is not a rational function. But I still cant see the right path towards the solution.
I'd be extremely grateful if someone could give me a hint, so I can work it out by myself
Thanks in advance!
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You can use L'Hopital's rule in the limit.
â SMM
Sep 10 at 20:17
@artem Is the fact that $f$ is $C^1$ an actual hypothesis, or is it a guess of yours (and you seem to have it)?
â Saucy O'Path
Sep 10 at 20:24
@SaucyO'Path Actually Artem mentioned that he has the information that the derivative is continuous.
â SMM
Sep 10 at 20:24
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You can use L'Hopital's rule in the limit.
â SMM
Sep 10 at 20:17
@artem Is the fact that $f$ is $C^1$ an actual hypothesis, or is it a guess of yours (and you seem to have it)?
â Saucy O'Path
Sep 10 at 20:24
@SaucyO'Path Actually Artem mentioned that he has the information that the derivative is continuous.
â SMM
Sep 10 at 20:24
You can use L'Hopital's rule in the limit.
â SMM
Sep 10 at 20:17
You can use L'Hopital's rule in the limit.
â SMM
Sep 10 at 20:17
@artem Is the fact that $f$ is $C^1$ an actual hypothesis, or is it a guess of yours (and you seem to have it)?
â Saucy O'Path
Sep 10 at 20:24
@artem Is the fact that $f$ is $C^1$ an actual hypothesis, or is it a guess of yours (and you seem to have it)?
â Saucy O'Path
Sep 10 at 20:24
@SaucyO'Path Actually Artem mentioned that he has the information that the derivative is continuous.
â SMM
Sep 10 at 20:24
@SaucyO'Path Actually Artem mentioned that he has the information that the derivative is continuous.
â SMM
Sep 10 at 20:24
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Since $x^2-4 to 0$ and $f(3x-2)-5 to 0$ (due to the continuity of $f$ and the your conclusion that $f(4) = 5)$ as $x to 2$, L'Hospital's rule is applicable, and we get
$$ lim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-5x^2-4 = lim_xto 2 frac3f'(3x-2)2x = frac34f'(4). $$
EDIT: If you don't want to use L'Hospital's rule, then you can also notice that
$$ lim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-5x^2-4 = lim_xto 2 frac1x+2 cdotlim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-5x-2 = frac14 lim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-f(4)x-2. $$
The latter limit is by definition the derivative of the function $g(x) = f(3x-2)$ at $x=2$, which, by the chain rule, is
$$ g'(2) = 3f'(4). $$
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Just barely beat me to it (+1). And don't be sorry!
â David G. Stork
Sep 10 at 20:19
@DavidG.Stork Sorry about that, and thanks for the upvote! =)
â Sobi
Sep 10 at 20:20
You don't know that $f'$ is continuous at $4$.
â egreg
Sep 10 at 20:33
@egreg From the question: "... All the information I seem to have is that the derivative is continuous ..."
â Sobi
Sep 10 at 20:35
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All of the answers were great. I choose your because it seems the more detailed.
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Sep 10 at 20:36
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Let $t = 3x-2$ so $x = fract+23$.
Then
$$9 = lim_xto 2fracf(3x-2)-5x^2-4 = lim_xto 2fracf(3x-2)-f(4)(x-2)(x+2) = frac14 lim_xto 2fracf(3x-2)-f(4)x-2 = frac14 lim_t to 4fracf(t)-f(4)fract-43 = frac34 f'(4)$$
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If $3x-2=y$, then easy algebra shows
$$
x^2-4=frac(y+8)(y-4)9
$$
and the given limit becomes
$$
lim_yto4fracf(y)-5y-4frac1y+8=1
$$
Since the limit is finite, we need $f(4)=5$; since $f'(4)=b$, the limit says
$$
fracb4+8=1
$$
so $b=12$.
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3 Answers
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3 Answers
3
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
2
down vote
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Since $x^2-4 to 0$ and $f(3x-2)-5 to 0$ (due to the continuity of $f$ and the your conclusion that $f(4) = 5)$ as $x to 2$, L'Hospital's rule is applicable, and we get
$$ lim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-5x^2-4 = lim_xto 2 frac3f'(3x-2)2x = frac34f'(4). $$
EDIT: If you don't want to use L'Hospital's rule, then you can also notice that
$$ lim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-5x^2-4 = lim_xto 2 frac1x+2 cdotlim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-5x-2 = frac14 lim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-f(4)x-2. $$
The latter limit is by definition the derivative of the function $g(x) = f(3x-2)$ at $x=2$, which, by the chain rule, is
$$ g'(2) = 3f'(4). $$
1
Just barely beat me to it (+1). And don't be sorry!
â David G. Stork
Sep 10 at 20:19
@DavidG.Stork Sorry about that, and thanks for the upvote! =)
â Sobi
Sep 10 at 20:20
You don't know that $f'$ is continuous at $4$.
â egreg
Sep 10 at 20:33
@egreg From the question: "... All the information I seem to have is that the derivative is continuous ..."
â Sobi
Sep 10 at 20:35
1
All of the answers were great. I choose your because it seems the more detailed.
â Artem
Sep 10 at 20:36
 |Â
show 2 more comments
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Since $x^2-4 to 0$ and $f(3x-2)-5 to 0$ (due to the continuity of $f$ and the your conclusion that $f(4) = 5)$ as $x to 2$, L'Hospital's rule is applicable, and we get
$$ lim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-5x^2-4 = lim_xto 2 frac3f'(3x-2)2x = frac34f'(4). $$
EDIT: If you don't want to use L'Hospital's rule, then you can also notice that
$$ lim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-5x^2-4 = lim_xto 2 frac1x+2 cdotlim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-5x-2 = frac14 lim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-f(4)x-2. $$
The latter limit is by definition the derivative of the function $g(x) = f(3x-2)$ at $x=2$, which, by the chain rule, is
$$ g'(2) = 3f'(4). $$
1
Just barely beat me to it (+1). And don't be sorry!
â David G. Stork
Sep 10 at 20:19
@DavidG.Stork Sorry about that, and thanks for the upvote! =)
â Sobi
Sep 10 at 20:20
You don't know that $f'$ is continuous at $4$.
â egreg
Sep 10 at 20:33
@egreg From the question: "... All the information I seem to have is that the derivative is continuous ..."
â Sobi
Sep 10 at 20:35
1
All of the answers were great. I choose your because it seems the more detailed.
â Artem
Sep 10 at 20:36
 |Â
show 2 more comments
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Since $x^2-4 to 0$ and $f(3x-2)-5 to 0$ (due to the continuity of $f$ and the your conclusion that $f(4) = 5)$ as $x to 2$, L'Hospital's rule is applicable, and we get
$$ lim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-5x^2-4 = lim_xto 2 frac3f'(3x-2)2x = frac34f'(4). $$
EDIT: If you don't want to use L'Hospital's rule, then you can also notice that
$$ lim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-5x^2-4 = lim_xto 2 frac1x+2 cdotlim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-5x-2 = frac14 lim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-f(4)x-2. $$
The latter limit is by definition the derivative of the function $g(x) = f(3x-2)$ at $x=2$, which, by the chain rule, is
$$ g'(2) = 3f'(4). $$
Since $x^2-4 to 0$ and $f(3x-2)-5 to 0$ (due to the continuity of $f$ and the your conclusion that $f(4) = 5)$ as $x to 2$, L'Hospital's rule is applicable, and we get
$$ lim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-5x^2-4 = lim_xto 2 frac3f'(3x-2)2x = frac34f'(4). $$
EDIT: If you don't want to use L'Hospital's rule, then you can also notice that
$$ lim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-5x^2-4 = lim_xto 2 frac1x+2 cdotlim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-5x-2 = frac14 lim_xto 2 fracf(3x-2)-f(4)x-2. $$
The latter limit is by definition the derivative of the function $g(x) = f(3x-2)$ at $x=2$, which, by the chain rule, is
$$ g'(2) = 3f'(4). $$
edited Sep 10 at 20:24
answered Sep 10 at 20:19
Sobi
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Just barely beat me to it (+1). And don't be sorry!
â David G. Stork
Sep 10 at 20:19
@DavidG.Stork Sorry about that, and thanks for the upvote! =)
â Sobi
Sep 10 at 20:20
You don't know that $f'$ is continuous at $4$.
â egreg
Sep 10 at 20:33
@egreg From the question: "... All the information I seem to have is that the derivative is continuous ..."
â Sobi
Sep 10 at 20:35
1
All of the answers were great. I choose your because it seems the more detailed.
â Artem
Sep 10 at 20:36
 |Â
show 2 more comments
1
Just barely beat me to it (+1). And don't be sorry!
â David G. Stork
Sep 10 at 20:19
@DavidG.Stork Sorry about that, and thanks for the upvote! =)
â Sobi
Sep 10 at 20:20
You don't know that $f'$ is continuous at $4$.
â egreg
Sep 10 at 20:33
@egreg From the question: "... All the information I seem to have is that the derivative is continuous ..."
â Sobi
Sep 10 at 20:35
1
All of the answers were great. I choose your because it seems the more detailed.
â Artem
Sep 10 at 20:36
1
1
Just barely beat me to it (+1). And don't be sorry!
â David G. Stork
Sep 10 at 20:19
Just barely beat me to it (+1). And don't be sorry!
â David G. Stork
Sep 10 at 20:19
@DavidG.Stork Sorry about that, and thanks for the upvote! =)
â Sobi
Sep 10 at 20:20
@DavidG.Stork Sorry about that, and thanks for the upvote! =)
â Sobi
Sep 10 at 20:20
You don't know that $f'$ is continuous at $4$.
â egreg
Sep 10 at 20:33
You don't know that $f'$ is continuous at $4$.
â egreg
Sep 10 at 20:33
@egreg From the question: "... All the information I seem to have is that the derivative is continuous ..."
â Sobi
Sep 10 at 20:35
@egreg From the question: "... All the information I seem to have is that the derivative is continuous ..."
â Sobi
Sep 10 at 20:35
1
1
All of the answers were great. I choose your because it seems the more detailed.
â Artem
Sep 10 at 20:36
All of the answers were great. I choose your because it seems the more detailed.
â Artem
Sep 10 at 20:36
 |Â
show 2 more comments
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1
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Let $t = 3x-2$ so $x = fract+23$.
Then
$$9 = lim_xto 2fracf(3x-2)-5x^2-4 = lim_xto 2fracf(3x-2)-f(4)(x-2)(x+2) = frac14 lim_xto 2fracf(3x-2)-f(4)x-2 = frac14 lim_t to 4fracf(t)-f(4)fract-43 = frac34 f'(4)$$
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Let $t = 3x-2$ so $x = fract+23$.
Then
$$9 = lim_xto 2fracf(3x-2)-5x^2-4 = lim_xto 2fracf(3x-2)-f(4)(x-2)(x+2) = frac14 lim_xto 2fracf(3x-2)-f(4)x-2 = frac14 lim_t to 4fracf(t)-f(4)fract-43 = frac34 f'(4)$$
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Let $t = 3x-2$ so $x = fract+23$.
Then
$$9 = lim_xto 2fracf(3x-2)-5x^2-4 = lim_xto 2fracf(3x-2)-f(4)(x-2)(x+2) = frac14 lim_xto 2fracf(3x-2)-f(4)x-2 = frac14 lim_t to 4fracf(t)-f(4)fract-43 = frac34 f'(4)$$
Let $t = 3x-2$ so $x = fract+23$.
Then
$$9 = lim_xto 2fracf(3x-2)-5x^2-4 = lim_xto 2fracf(3x-2)-f(4)(x-2)(x+2) = frac14 lim_xto 2fracf(3x-2)-f(4)x-2 = frac14 lim_t to 4fracf(t)-f(4)fract-43 = frac34 f'(4)$$
answered Sep 10 at 20:24
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If $3x-2=y$, then easy algebra shows
$$
x^2-4=frac(y+8)(y-4)9
$$
and the given limit becomes
$$
lim_yto4fracf(y)-5y-4frac1y+8=1
$$
Since the limit is finite, we need $f(4)=5$; since $f'(4)=b$, the limit says
$$
fracb4+8=1
$$
so $b=12$.
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
If $3x-2=y$, then easy algebra shows
$$
x^2-4=frac(y+8)(y-4)9
$$
and the given limit becomes
$$
lim_yto4fracf(y)-5y-4frac1y+8=1
$$
Since the limit is finite, we need $f(4)=5$; since $f'(4)=b$, the limit says
$$
fracb4+8=1
$$
so $b=12$.
add a comment |Â
up vote
0
down vote
up vote
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If $3x-2=y$, then easy algebra shows
$$
x^2-4=frac(y+8)(y-4)9
$$
and the given limit becomes
$$
lim_yto4fracf(y)-5y-4frac1y+8=1
$$
Since the limit is finite, we need $f(4)=5$; since $f'(4)=b$, the limit says
$$
fracb4+8=1
$$
so $b=12$.
If $3x-2=y$, then easy algebra shows
$$
x^2-4=frac(y+8)(y-4)9
$$
and the given limit becomes
$$
lim_yto4fracf(y)-5y-4frac1y+8=1
$$
Since the limit is finite, we need $f(4)=5$; since $f'(4)=b$, the limit says
$$
fracb4+8=1
$$
so $b=12$.
answered Sep 10 at 20:30
egreg
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You can use L'Hopital's rule in the limit.
â SMM
Sep 10 at 20:17
@artem Is the fact that $f$ is $C^1$ an actual hypothesis, or is it a guess of yours (and you seem to have it)?
â Saucy O'Path
Sep 10 at 20:24
@SaucyO'Path Actually Artem mentioned that he has the information that the derivative is continuous.
â SMM
Sep 10 at 20:24