Amount of Number Combinations to Reach a Sum of 10 With Integers 1-9 Using 2 or More Integers [closed]
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I received a word problem that goes like this.
A local kindergarten is thinking of making posters that show all the different ways of adding two or more integers from 1 to 9 to get a sum of 10. If there is enough space on each poster for up to 50 possible solutions, how many posters will the school need to make?
(Note: sums that contain the same number but in a different order are considered to be different; for example, 1 + 9 and 9 + 1 are two different solutions.)
What is the answer to this problem, and more importantly, how do I solve it?
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I received a word problem that goes like this.
A local kindergarten is thinking of making posters that show all the different ways of adding two or more integers from 1 to 9 to get a sum of 10. If there is enough space on each poster for up to 50 possible solutions, how many posters will the school need to make?
(Note: sums that contain the same number but in a different order are considered to be different; for example, 1 + 9 and 9 + 1 are two different solutions.)
What is the answer to this problem, and more importantly, how do I solve it?
combinatorics combinations
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I received a word problem that goes like this.
A local kindergarten is thinking of making posters that show all the different ways of adding two or more integers from 1 to 9 to get a sum of 10. If there is enough space on each poster for up to 50 possible solutions, how many posters will the school need to make?
(Note: sums that contain the same number but in a different order are considered to be different; for example, 1 + 9 and 9 + 1 are two different solutions.)
What is the answer to this problem, and more importantly, how do I solve it?
combinatorics combinations
I received a word problem that goes like this.
A local kindergarten is thinking of making posters that show all the different ways of adding two or more integers from 1 to 9 to get a sum of 10. If there is enough space on each poster for up to 50 possible solutions, how many posters will the school need to make?
(Note: sums that contain the same number but in a different order are considered to be different; for example, 1 + 9 and 9 + 1 are two different solutions.)
What is the answer to this problem, and more importantly, how do I solve it?
combinatorics combinations
combinatorics combinations
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Imagine $10$ ones in a row, and insert plus signs between them; for instance, $|||+||+|||||$ stands for the sum $3+2+5$. So the sums you want to count correspond to the ways of inserting plus signs. There are $9$ slots between the $10$ ones, and you can either insert a plus sign or not in each of them independently, so the number of different ways of doing this is $2^9$. However, one of these corresponds to inserting no plus signs at all, which doesn't yield a sum of at least two numbers, so we have to subtract that and the result is $2^9-1=512-1=511$.
Almost. Remember that there must be at least 1+
sign.
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 10 at 21:57
@RushabhMehta: Thanks, I realized that when I saw your answer and corrected mine accordingly.
â joriki
Sep 10 at 21:58
Nice solution +1
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 10 at 21:59
Why is the number of different ways of doing it 2^9?
â Jolly
Sep 10 at 22:33
@Jolly This is an application of the multiplication principle. If you have $a$ ways of choosing $A$ and $b$ ways of choosing $B$, and you choose $A$ and $B$ independently, then you have a total of $acdot b$ possible selections. In the present case, you have $9$ independent choices to make, with $2$ options for each of the $9$ choices: For each slot, you decide whether to insert a plus or not. That's $2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2=2^9$ different ways to choose. Maybe try it with $3$ instead of $9$ to get a better feel for it.
â joriki
Sep 11 at 5:12
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We realize that the requirement of each number being at least $1$ and the sum being $10$ removes the need to cap the number at $9$, so we shall ignore that condition.
Let's first start with the case of two integers. Realize that we can visualize this problem as us having 10 coins and two buckets, and we have to drop coins in each bucket. Each way we can drop coins is a different sum, i.e., if I drop 6 coins in the first bucket, but 4 in the second, then the equivalent sum is $6+4$.
But, we must make sure every bucket has a positive number of coins, so we put one coin in each bucket to start. So, we have 8 coins left to distribute across 2 buckets. So, we can represent this as
********|
Where the bar marks the divider between the buckets. So, we are essentially counting the number of ways to arrange those symbols, which is $9choose1=9$.
We can apply the same logic with three buckets, to get the following symbol list:
*******||
So, the number of ways to arrange the symbols is $9choose2=36$.
We do this all the way to $9choose9=1$. So our answer is $$sumlimits_n=1^99choose n=511$$
Does this answer account for a solution such as, "1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1"?
â Jolly
Sep 10 at 23:04
@Jolly Yes indeed. That is the case when there are 10 numbers, which will be represented by $9choose9$
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 11 at 0:02
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2 Answers
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Imagine $10$ ones in a row, and insert plus signs between them; for instance, $|||+||+|||||$ stands for the sum $3+2+5$. So the sums you want to count correspond to the ways of inserting plus signs. There are $9$ slots between the $10$ ones, and you can either insert a plus sign or not in each of them independently, so the number of different ways of doing this is $2^9$. However, one of these corresponds to inserting no plus signs at all, which doesn't yield a sum of at least two numbers, so we have to subtract that and the result is $2^9-1=512-1=511$.
Almost. Remember that there must be at least 1+
sign.
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 10 at 21:57
@RushabhMehta: Thanks, I realized that when I saw your answer and corrected mine accordingly.
â joriki
Sep 10 at 21:58
Nice solution +1
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 10 at 21:59
Why is the number of different ways of doing it 2^9?
â Jolly
Sep 10 at 22:33
@Jolly This is an application of the multiplication principle. If you have $a$ ways of choosing $A$ and $b$ ways of choosing $B$, and you choose $A$ and $B$ independently, then you have a total of $acdot b$ possible selections. In the present case, you have $9$ independent choices to make, with $2$ options for each of the $9$ choices: For each slot, you decide whether to insert a plus or not. That's $2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2=2^9$ different ways to choose. Maybe try it with $3$ instead of $9$ to get a better feel for it.
â joriki
Sep 11 at 5:12
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up vote
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down vote
accepted
Imagine $10$ ones in a row, and insert plus signs between them; for instance, $|||+||+|||||$ stands for the sum $3+2+5$. So the sums you want to count correspond to the ways of inserting plus signs. There are $9$ slots between the $10$ ones, and you can either insert a plus sign or not in each of them independently, so the number of different ways of doing this is $2^9$. However, one of these corresponds to inserting no plus signs at all, which doesn't yield a sum of at least two numbers, so we have to subtract that and the result is $2^9-1=512-1=511$.
Almost. Remember that there must be at least 1+
sign.
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 10 at 21:57
@RushabhMehta: Thanks, I realized that when I saw your answer and corrected mine accordingly.
â joriki
Sep 10 at 21:58
Nice solution +1
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 10 at 21:59
Why is the number of different ways of doing it 2^9?
â Jolly
Sep 10 at 22:33
@Jolly This is an application of the multiplication principle. If you have $a$ ways of choosing $A$ and $b$ ways of choosing $B$, and you choose $A$ and $B$ independently, then you have a total of $acdot b$ possible selections. In the present case, you have $9$ independent choices to make, with $2$ options for each of the $9$ choices: For each slot, you decide whether to insert a plus or not. That's $2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2=2^9$ different ways to choose. Maybe try it with $3$ instead of $9$ to get a better feel for it.
â joriki
Sep 11 at 5:12
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up vote
2
down vote
accepted
up vote
2
down vote
accepted
Imagine $10$ ones in a row, and insert plus signs between them; for instance, $|||+||+|||||$ stands for the sum $3+2+5$. So the sums you want to count correspond to the ways of inserting plus signs. There are $9$ slots between the $10$ ones, and you can either insert a plus sign or not in each of them independently, so the number of different ways of doing this is $2^9$. However, one of these corresponds to inserting no plus signs at all, which doesn't yield a sum of at least two numbers, so we have to subtract that and the result is $2^9-1=512-1=511$.
Imagine $10$ ones in a row, and insert plus signs between them; for instance, $|||+||+|||||$ stands for the sum $3+2+5$. So the sums you want to count correspond to the ways of inserting plus signs. There are $9$ slots between the $10$ ones, and you can either insert a plus sign or not in each of them independently, so the number of different ways of doing this is $2^9$. However, one of these corresponds to inserting no plus signs at all, which doesn't yield a sum of at least two numbers, so we have to subtract that and the result is $2^9-1=512-1=511$.
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answered Sep 10 at 21:55
joriki
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Almost. Remember that there must be at least 1+
sign.
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 10 at 21:57
@RushabhMehta: Thanks, I realized that when I saw your answer and corrected mine accordingly.
â joriki
Sep 10 at 21:58
Nice solution +1
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 10 at 21:59
Why is the number of different ways of doing it 2^9?
â Jolly
Sep 10 at 22:33
@Jolly This is an application of the multiplication principle. If you have $a$ ways of choosing $A$ and $b$ ways of choosing $B$, and you choose $A$ and $B$ independently, then you have a total of $acdot b$ possible selections. In the present case, you have $9$ independent choices to make, with $2$ options for each of the $9$ choices: For each slot, you decide whether to insert a plus or not. That's $2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2=2^9$ different ways to choose. Maybe try it with $3$ instead of $9$ to get a better feel for it.
â joriki
Sep 11 at 5:12
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Almost. Remember that there must be at least 1+
sign.
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 10 at 21:57
@RushabhMehta: Thanks, I realized that when I saw your answer and corrected mine accordingly.
â joriki
Sep 10 at 21:58
Nice solution +1
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 10 at 21:59
Why is the number of different ways of doing it 2^9?
â Jolly
Sep 10 at 22:33
@Jolly This is an application of the multiplication principle. If you have $a$ ways of choosing $A$ and $b$ ways of choosing $B$, and you choose $A$ and $B$ independently, then you have a total of $acdot b$ possible selections. In the present case, you have $9$ independent choices to make, with $2$ options for each of the $9$ choices: For each slot, you decide whether to insert a plus or not. That's $2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2=2^9$ different ways to choose. Maybe try it with $3$ instead of $9$ to get a better feel for it.
â joriki
Sep 11 at 5:12
Almost. Remember that there must be at least 1
+
sign.â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 10 at 21:57
Almost. Remember that there must be at least 1
+
sign.â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 10 at 21:57
@RushabhMehta: Thanks, I realized that when I saw your answer and corrected mine accordingly.
â joriki
Sep 10 at 21:58
@RushabhMehta: Thanks, I realized that when I saw your answer and corrected mine accordingly.
â joriki
Sep 10 at 21:58
Nice solution +1
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 10 at 21:59
Nice solution +1
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 10 at 21:59
Why is the number of different ways of doing it 2^9?
â Jolly
Sep 10 at 22:33
Why is the number of different ways of doing it 2^9?
â Jolly
Sep 10 at 22:33
@Jolly This is an application of the multiplication principle. If you have $a$ ways of choosing $A$ and $b$ ways of choosing $B$, and you choose $A$ and $B$ independently, then you have a total of $acdot b$ possible selections. In the present case, you have $9$ independent choices to make, with $2$ options for each of the $9$ choices: For each slot, you decide whether to insert a plus or not. That's $2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2=2^9$ different ways to choose. Maybe try it with $3$ instead of $9$ to get a better feel for it.
â joriki
Sep 11 at 5:12
@Jolly This is an application of the multiplication principle. If you have $a$ ways of choosing $A$ and $b$ ways of choosing $B$, and you choose $A$ and $B$ independently, then you have a total of $acdot b$ possible selections. In the present case, you have $9$ independent choices to make, with $2$ options for each of the $9$ choices: For each slot, you decide whether to insert a plus or not. That's $2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2cdot2=2^9$ different ways to choose. Maybe try it with $3$ instead of $9$ to get a better feel for it.
â joriki
Sep 11 at 5:12
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up vote
1
down vote
We realize that the requirement of each number being at least $1$ and the sum being $10$ removes the need to cap the number at $9$, so we shall ignore that condition.
Let's first start with the case of two integers. Realize that we can visualize this problem as us having 10 coins and two buckets, and we have to drop coins in each bucket. Each way we can drop coins is a different sum, i.e., if I drop 6 coins in the first bucket, but 4 in the second, then the equivalent sum is $6+4$.
But, we must make sure every bucket has a positive number of coins, so we put one coin in each bucket to start. So, we have 8 coins left to distribute across 2 buckets. So, we can represent this as
********|
Where the bar marks the divider between the buckets. So, we are essentially counting the number of ways to arrange those symbols, which is $9choose1=9$.
We can apply the same logic with three buckets, to get the following symbol list:
*******||
So, the number of ways to arrange the symbols is $9choose2=36$.
We do this all the way to $9choose9=1$. So our answer is $$sumlimits_n=1^99choose n=511$$
Does this answer account for a solution such as, "1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1"?
â Jolly
Sep 10 at 23:04
@Jolly Yes indeed. That is the case when there are 10 numbers, which will be represented by $9choose9$
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 11 at 0:02
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up vote
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We realize that the requirement of each number being at least $1$ and the sum being $10$ removes the need to cap the number at $9$, so we shall ignore that condition.
Let's first start with the case of two integers. Realize that we can visualize this problem as us having 10 coins and two buckets, and we have to drop coins in each bucket. Each way we can drop coins is a different sum, i.e., if I drop 6 coins in the first bucket, but 4 in the second, then the equivalent sum is $6+4$.
But, we must make sure every bucket has a positive number of coins, so we put one coin in each bucket to start. So, we have 8 coins left to distribute across 2 buckets. So, we can represent this as
********|
Where the bar marks the divider between the buckets. So, we are essentially counting the number of ways to arrange those symbols, which is $9choose1=9$.
We can apply the same logic with three buckets, to get the following symbol list:
*******||
So, the number of ways to arrange the symbols is $9choose2=36$.
We do this all the way to $9choose9=1$. So our answer is $$sumlimits_n=1^99choose n=511$$
Does this answer account for a solution such as, "1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1"?
â Jolly
Sep 10 at 23:04
@Jolly Yes indeed. That is the case when there are 10 numbers, which will be represented by $9choose9$
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 11 at 0:02
add a comment |Â
up vote
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up vote
1
down vote
We realize that the requirement of each number being at least $1$ and the sum being $10$ removes the need to cap the number at $9$, so we shall ignore that condition.
Let's first start with the case of two integers. Realize that we can visualize this problem as us having 10 coins and two buckets, and we have to drop coins in each bucket. Each way we can drop coins is a different sum, i.e., if I drop 6 coins in the first bucket, but 4 in the second, then the equivalent sum is $6+4$.
But, we must make sure every bucket has a positive number of coins, so we put one coin in each bucket to start. So, we have 8 coins left to distribute across 2 buckets. So, we can represent this as
********|
Where the bar marks the divider between the buckets. So, we are essentially counting the number of ways to arrange those symbols, which is $9choose1=9$.
We can apply the same logic with three buckets, to get the following symbol list:
*******||
So, the number of ways to arrange the symbols is $9choose2=36$.
We do this all the way to $9choose9=1$. So our answer is $$sumlimits_n=1^99choose n=511$$
We realize that the requirement of each number being at least $1$ and the sum being $10$ removes the need to cap the number at $9$, so we shall ignore that condition.
Let's first start with the case of two integers. Realize that we can visualize this problem as us having 10 coins and two buckets, and we have to drop coins in each bucket. Each way we can drop coins is a different sum, i.e., if I drop 6 coins in the first bucket, but 4 in the second, then the equivalent sum is $6+4$.
But, we must make sure every bucket has a positive number of coins, so we put one coin in each bucket to start. So, we have 8 coins left to distribute across 2 buckets. So, we can represent this as
********|
Where the bar marks the divider between the buckets. So, we are essentially counting the number of ways to arrange those symbols, which is $9choose1=9$.
We can apply the same logic with three buckets, to get the following symbol list:
*******||
So, the number of ways to arrange the symbols is $9choose2=36$.
We do this all the way to $9choose9=1$. So our answer is $$sumlimits_n=1^99choose n=511$$
answered Sep 10 at 21:56
Rushabh Mehta
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Does this answer account for a solution such as, "1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1"?
â Jolly
Sep 10 at 23:04
@Jolly Yes indeed. That is the case when there are 10 numbers, which will be represented by $9choose9$
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 11 at 0:02
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Does this answer account for a solution such as, "1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1"?
â Jolly
Sep 10 at 23:04
@Jolly Yes indeed. That is the case when there are 10 numbers, which will be represented by $9choose9$
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 11 at 0:02
Does this answer account for a solution such as, "1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1"?
â Jolly
Sep 10 at 23:04
Does this answer account for a solution such as, "1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1+1"?
â Jolly
Sep 10 at 23:04
@Jolly Yes indeed. That is the case when there are 10 numbers, which will be represented by $9choose9$
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 11 at 0:02
@Jolly Yes indeed. That is the case when there are 10 numbers, which will be represented by $9choose9$
â Rushabh Mehta
Sep 11 at 0:02
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