What is meant by the âspeed of rotationâ here?

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To make a long story short: I have a surface $X: I to mathbbR^3$ that sends $(u ,v) in I subset mathbbR^2$ to $X(u,v) in mathbbR^3$. Consider these two family of surfaces:
$hatX(u,v,t) = sqrt2bt + 1expleft( fraclog(2bt + 1)2b Aright) X(u,v)$
$F(u,v,t) = sqrt2bt + 1expleft( t Aright) X(u,v)$
where $b in mathbbR$ is a constant and $A$ is an orthogonal matrix with determinant $1$. In the thesis I'm reading
(page 45, the dilation and rotation section) the author writes (not exactly as I put it here, but I just made things simpler so I could understand, there's no loss of generality) that, under $hatX$, $X$ rotates with decreasing speed if $b > 0$ and with increasing speed if $b < 0$, and that under $F$, $X$ rotates with constant speed. This is supposed to be obvious but I'm not quite seeing it and I'd appreciate some help.
EDIT: Turns out it was just a matter of analysing the signs of $dfracpartial hatXpartial t$
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To make a long story short: I have a surface $X: I to mathbbR^3$ that sends $(u ,v) in I subset mathbbR^2$ to $X(u,v) in mathbbR^3$. Consider these two family of surfaces:
$hatX(u,v,t) = sqrt2bt + 1expleft( fraclog(2bt + 1)2b Aright) X(u,v)$
$F(u,v,t) = sqrt2bt + 1expleft( t Aright) X(u,v)$
where $b in mathbbR$ is a constant and $A$ is an orthogonal matrix with determinant $1$. In the thesis I'm reading
(page 45, the dilation and rotation section) the author writes (not exactly as I put it here, but I just made things simpler so I could understand, there's no loss of generality) that, under $hatX$, $X$ rotates with decreasing speed if $b > 0$ and with increasing speed if $b < 0$, and that under $F$, $X$ rotates with constant speed. This is supposed to be obvious but I'm not quite seeing it and I'd appreciate some help.
EDIT: Turns out it was just a matter of analysing the signs of $dfracpartial hatXpartial t$
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To make a long story short: I have a surface $X: I to mathbbR^3$ that sends $(u ,v) in I subset mathbbR^2$ to $X(u,v) in mathbbR^3$. Consider these two family of surfaces:
$hatX(u,v,t) = sqrt2bt + 1expleft( fraclog(2bt + 1)2b Aright) X(u,v)$
$F(u,v,t) = sqrt2bt + 1expleft( t Aright) X(u,v)$
where $b in mathbbR$ is a constant and $A$ is an orthogonal matrix with determinant $1$. In the thesis I'm reading
(page 45, the dilation and rotation section) the author writes (not exactly as I put it here, but I just made things simpler so I could understand, there's no loss of generality) that, under $hatX$, $X$ rotates with decreasing speed if $b > 0$ and with increasing speed if $b < 0$, and that under $F$, $X$ rotates with constant speed. This is supposed to be obvious but I'm not quite seeing it and I'd appreciate some help.
EDIT: Turns out it was just a matter of analysing the signs of $dfracpartial hatXpartial t$
calculus linear-algebra differential-geometry surfaces
To make a long story short: I have a surface $X: I to mathbbR^3$ that sends $(u ,v) in I subset mathbbR^2$ to $X(u,v) in mathbbR^3$. Consider these two family of surfaces:
$hatX(u,v,t) = sqrt2bt + 1expleft( fraclog(2bt + 1)2b Aright) X(u,v)$
$F(u,v,t) = sqrt2bt + 1expleft( t Aright) X(u,v)$
where $b in mathbbR$ is a constant and $A$ is an orthogonal matrix with determinant $1$. In the thesis I'm reading
(page 45, the dilation and rotation section) the author writes (not exactly as I put it here, but I just made things simpler so I could understand, there's no loss of generality) that, under $hatX$, $X$ rotates with decreasing speed if $b > 0$ and with increasing speed if $b < 0$, and that under $F$, $X$ rotates with constant speed. This is supposed to be obvious but I'm not quite seeing it and I'd appreciate some help.
EDIT: Turns out it was just a matter of analysing the signs of $dfracpartial hatXpartial t$
calculus linear-algebra differential-geometry surfaces
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I couldn't find where it says that $A$ orthogonal matrix with determinant 1 is a rotation.
As food for thought, if $Q(t)$ are rotations, which are of the form
$$Q(t)=exp(tcdot S)$$
for skew symmetric matrices (see Wikipedia and the links there) then $Q'(t)=Q(t),S$ and so
$$Q^T(t),Q'(t)=Q^-1(t),Q(t),S=S.$$
So
$$exp(h(t)cdot Q^T(t),Q'(t))$$
is really again just a rotation and $phi=h(t)$ is a parametrization of angles. Not sure if those bullet points all apply here, but if they do, then you got your explanation.
Could you elaborate a bit more? I'm still not sure what the author means by "speed' here.
â Matheus Andrade
Jun 18 at 16:09
Take the matrix $I:=0,1,-1,0$ and compute $T(t):=exp(tcdot I)$. You will find that this is the rotation matrix. Consider the vector $x_0:=1,0$ and consider the vector $x(t):=T(t)cdot x_0$. This is the unit vector which rotates around zero. You should get familiar with a solver or language where you can draw and animate such things, possibly create gifs - that helps to understand this. Now the matrix $S(t):=exp(t^7cdot I)$ will give another rotation matrix, but as opposed to $T(t)$, the action $S(t)cdot x_0$ doesn't make for a steady rotation, but an accelerating one.
â Nikolaj-K
Jun 18 at 19:34
Thanks. I think I understand what you mean now. I'm still gonna leave the question open because I haven't yet figured out how (in the case I mentioned) the speed of the rotation is increasing if $b < 0$ and decreasing if $b > 0$.
â Matheus Andrade
Jun 19 at 22:52
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I couldn't find where it says that $A$ orthogonal matrix with determinant 1 is a rotation.
As food for thought, if $Q(t)$ are rotations, which are of the form
$$Q(t)=exp(tcdot S)$$
for skew symmetric matrices (see Wikipedia and the links there) then $Q'(t)=Q(t),S$ and so
$$Q^T(t),Q'(t)=Q^-1(t),Q(t),S=S.$$
So
$$exp(h(t)cdot Q^T(t),Q'(t))$$
is really again just a rotation and $phi=h(t)$ is a parametrization of angles. Not sure if those bullet points all apply here, but if they do, then you got your explanation.
Could you elaborate a bit more? I'm still not sure what the author means by "speed' here.
â Matheus Andrade
Jun 18 at 16:09
Take the matrix $I:=0,1,-1,0$ and compute $T(t):=exp(tcdot I)$. You will find that this is the rotation matrix. Consider the vector $x_0:=1,0$ and consider the vector $x(t):=T(t)cdot x_0$. This is the unit vector which rotates around zero. You should get familiar with a solver or language where you can draw and animate such things, possibly create gifs - that helps to understand this. Now the matrix $S(t):=exp(t^7cdot I)$ will give another rotation matrix, but as opposed to $T(t)$, the action $S(t)cdot x_0$ doesn't make for a steady rotation, but an accelerating one.
â Nikolaj-K
Jun 18 at 19:34
Thanks. I think I understand what you mean now. I'm still gonna leave the question open because I haven't yet figured out how (in the case I mentioned) the speed of the rotation is increasing if $b < 0$ and decreasing if $b > 0$.
â Matheus Andrade
Jun 19 at 22:52
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I couldn't find where it says that $A$ orthogonal matrix with determinant 1 is a rotation.
As food for thought, if $Q(t)$ are rotations, which are of the form
$$Q(t)=exp(tcdot S)$$
for skew symmetric matrices (see Wikipedia and the links there) then $Q'(t)=Q(t),S$ and so
$$Q^T(t),Q'(t)=Q^-1(t),Q(t),S=S.$$
So
$$exp(h(t)cdot Q^T(t),Q'(t))$$
is really again just a rotation and $phi=h(t)$ is a parametrization of angles. Not sure if those bullet points all apply here, but if they do, then you got your explanation.
Could you elaborate a bit more? I'm still not sure what the author means by "speed' here.
â Matheus Andrade
Jun 18 at 16:09
Take the matrix $I:=0,1,-1,0$ and compute $T(t):=exp(tcdot I)$. You will find that this is the rotation matrix. Consider the vector $x_0:=1,0$ and consider the vector $x(t):=T(t)cdot x_0$. This is the unit vector which rotates around zero. You should get familiar with a solver or language where you can draw and animate such things, possibly create gifs - that helps to understand this. Now the matrix $S(t):=exp(t^7cdot I)$ will give another rotation matrix, but as opposed to $T(t)$, the action $S(t)cdot x_0$ doesn't make for a steady rotation, but an accelerating one.
â Nikolaj-K
Jun 18 at 19:34
Thanks. I think I understand what you mean now. I'm still gonna leave the question open because I haven't yet figured out how (in the case I mentioned) the speed of the rotation is increasing if $b < 0$ and decreasing if $b > 0$.
â Matheus Andrade
Jun 19 at 22:52
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I couldn't find where it says that $A$ orthogonal matrix with determinant 1 is a rotation.
As food for thought, if $Q(t)$ are rotations, which are of the form
$$Q(t)=exp(tcdot S)$$
for skew symmetric matrices (see Wikipedia and the links there) then $Q'(t)=Q(t),S$ and so
$$Q^T(t),Q'(t)=Q^-1(t),Q(t),S=S.$$
So
$$exp(h(t)cdot Q^T(t),Q'(t))$$
is really again just a rotation and $phi=h(t)$ is a parametrization of angles. Not sure if those bullet points all apply here, but if they do, then you got your explanation.
I couldn't find where it says that $A$ orthogonal matrix with determinant 1 is a rotation.
As food for thought, if $Q(t)$ are rotations, which are of the form
$$Q(t)=exp(tcdot S)$$
for skew symmetric matrices (see Wikipedia and the links there) then $Q'(t)=Q(t),S$ and so
$$Q^T(t),Q'(t)=Q^-1(t),Q(t),S=S.$$
So
$$exp(h(t)cdot Q^T(t),Q'(t))$$
is really again just a rotation and $phi=h(t)$ is a parametrization of angles. Not sure if those bullet points all apply here, but if they do, then you got your explanation.
answered Jun 15 at 0:12
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Could you elaborate a bit more? I'm still not sure what the author means by "speed' here.
â Matheus Andrade
Jun 18 at 16:09
Take the matrix $I:=0,1,-1,0$ and compute $T(t):=exp(tcdot I)$. You will find that this is the rotation matrix. Consider the vector $x_0:=1,0$ and consider the vector $x(t):=T(t)cdot x_0$. This is the unit vector which rotates around zero. You should get familiar with a solver or language where you can draw and animate such things, possibly create gifs - that helps to understand this. Now the matrix $S(t):=exp(t^7cdot I)$ will give another rotation matrix, but as opposed to $T(t)$, the action $S(t)cdot x_0$ doesn't make for a steady rotation, but an accelerating one.
â Nikolaj-K
Jun 18 at 19:34
Thanks. I think I understand what you mean now. I'm still gonna leave the question open because I haven't yet figured out how (in the case I mentioned) the speed of the rotation is increasing if $b < 0$ and decreasing if $b > 0$.
â Matheus Andrade
Jun 19 at 22:52
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Could you elaborate a bit more? I'm still not sure what the author means by "speed' here.
â Matheus Andrade
Jun 18 at 16:09
Take the matrix $I:=0,1,-1,0$ and compute $T(t):=exp(tcdot I)$. You will find that this is the rotation matrix. Consider the vector $x_0:=1,0$ and consider the vector $x(t):=T(t)cdot x_0$. This is the unit vector which rotates around zero. You should get familiar with a solver or language where you can draw and animate such things, possibly create gifs - that helps to understand this. Now the matrix $S(t):=exp(t^7cdot I)$ will give another rotation matrix, but as opposed to $T(t)$, the action $S(t)cdot x_0$ doesn't make for a steady rotation, but an accelerating one.
â Nikolaj-K
Jun 18 at 19:34
Thanks. I think I understand what you mean now. I'm still gonna leave the question open because I haven't yet figured out how (in the case I mentioned) the speed of the rotation is increasing if $b < 0$ and decreasing if $b > 0$.
â Matheus Andrade
Jun 19 at 22:52
Could you elaborate a bit more? I'm still not sure what the author means by "speed' here.
â Matheus Andrade
Jun 18 at 16:09
Could you elaborate a bit more? I'm still not sure what the author means by "speed' here.
â Matheus Andrade
Jun 18 at 16:09
Take the matrix $I:=0,1,-1,0$ and compute $T(t):=exp(tcdot I)$. You will find that this is the rotation matrix. Consider the vector $x_0:=1,0$ and consider the vector $x(t):=T(t)cdot x_0$. This is the unit vector which rotates around zero. You should get familiar with a solver or language where you can draw and animate such things, possibly create gifs - that helps to understand this. Now the matrix $S(t):=exp(t^7cdot I)$ will give another rotation matrix, but as opposed to $T(t)$, the action $S(t)cdot x_0$ doesn't make for a steady rotation, but an accelerating one.
â Nikolaj-K
Jun 18 at 19:34
Take the matrix $I:=0,1,-1,0$ and compute $T(t):=exp(tcdot I)$. You will find that this is the rotation matrix. Consider the vector $x_0:=1,0$ and consider the vector $x(t):=T(t)cdot x_0$. This is the unit vector which rotates around zero. You should get familiar with a solver or language where you can draw and animate such things, possibly create gifs - that helps to understand this. Now the matrix $S(t):=exp(t^7cdot I)$ will give another rotation matrix, but as opposed to $T(t)$, the action $S(t)cdot x_0$ doesn't make for a steady rotation, but an accelerating one.
â Nikolaj-K
Jun 18 at 19:34
Thanks. I think I understand what you mean now. I'm still gonna leave the question open because I haven't yet figured out how (in the case I mentioned) the speed of the rotation is increasing if $b < 0$ and decreasing if $b > 0$.
â Matheus Andrade
Jun 19 at 22:52
Thanks. I think I understand what you mean now. I'm still gonna leave the question open because I haven't yet figured out how (in the case I mentioned) the speed of the rotation is increasing if $b < 0$ and decreasing if $b > 0$.
â Matheus Andrade
Jun 19 at 22:52
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