Does a function have to be defined in a neighborhood of a point in order for a limit to exist?

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I came across the following limit



$$lim_(x,y)to(0,0) fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2$$



If $xgeq0$ then



$$0 leq bigg| fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2bigg|= fracysqrtx^2 + y^2 leq sqrtx$$



So using the squeeze theorem the limit is equal to zero.



However for any neighborhood $V$ of $(0,0)$ there are points where $x lt 0$ and therefore $f$ is not defined . Does it mean that the limit doesn't exist, or should we only consider the points where $f$ is defined?







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    I came across the following limit



    $$lim_(x,y)to(0,0) fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2$$



    If $xgeq0$ then



    $$0 leq bigg| fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2bigg|= fracysqrtx^2 + y^2 leq sqrtx$$



    So using the squeeze theorem the limit is equal to zero.



    However for any neighborhood $V$ of $(0,0)$ there are points where $x lt 0$ and therefore $f$ is not defined . Does it mean that the limit doesn't exist, or should we only consider the points where $f$ is defined?







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      I came across the following limit



      $$lim_(x,y)to(0,0) fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2$$



      If $xgeq0$ then



      $$0 leq bigg| fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2bigg|= fracysqrtx^2 + y^2 leq sqrtx$$



      So using the squeeze theorem the limit is equal to zero.



      However for any neighborhood $V$ of $(0,0)$ there are points where $x lt 0$ and therefore $f$ is not defined . Does it mean that the limit doesn't exist, or should we only consider the points where $f$ is defined?







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      I came across the following limit



      $$lim_(x,y)to(0,0) fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2$$



      If $xgeq0$ then



      $$0 leq bigg| fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2bigg|= fracysqrtx^2 + y^2 leq sqrtx$$



      So using the squeeze theorem the limit is equal to zero.



      However for any neighborhood $V$ of $(0,0)$ there are points where $x lt 0$ and therefore $f$ is not defined . Does it mean that the limit doesn't exist, or should we only consider the points where $f$ is defined?









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          With the given condition $xge 0$, necessary in order to have a defined expression, the limit exists and it is equal to zero.



          In this case we are considering $(x,y)to(0,0)$ along paths with $xge 0$ otherwise $f(x,y)$ is not defined and take the limit would be meaningless.



          As an alternative by polar coordinates we have



          $$fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2=sinthetasqrtrcos thetato 0$$



          indeed for theta in $[-pi/2,pi/2]$



          $$0le |sinthetasqrtrcos theta|le sqrt r to 0$$






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          • The condition of $xgeq 0$ was not given. The domain of $f$ was not specified so I assume it is $mathbbR^2$
            – Yagger
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          • @Yagger For $x<0$ the function is not defined therefore we need to exclude that values for the calculation of the limit. Therefore we can assume $xge 0$.
            – gimusi
            Aug 9 at 18:25










          • @Yagger The case is similaro to $lim_xto 0 log x$ for which we are implicitely assuming that $xto 0^+$. For $x to 0^-$ the expression is undefined and therefore it should be meaningless to take the limit.
            – gimusi
            Aug 9 at 18:26


















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          A function must be defined on an appropriate domain.



          If you assume the domain must be $mathbb R^2,$ then you do not have a function at all, let alone a limit.



          If you define a domain on which $f$ is defined, and the domain contains $(0,0)$ (or at least has it as a limit point), then according to at least some definitions of the limit of a function, the limit exists.






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            With the given condition $xge 0$, necessary in order to have a defined expression, the limit exists and it is equal to zero.



            In this case we are considering $(x,y)to(0,0)$ along paths with $xge 0$ otherwise $f(x,y)$ is not defined and take the limit would be meaningless.



            As an alternative by polar coordinates we have



            $$fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2=sinthetasqrtrcos thetato 0$$



            indeed for theta in $[-pi/2,pi/2]$



            $$0le |sinthetasqrtrcos theta|le sqrt r to 0$$






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            • The condition of $xgeq 0$ was not given. The domain of $f$ was not specified so I assume it is $mathbbR^2$
              – Yagger
              Aug 9 at 18:22











            • @Yagger For $x<0$ the function is not defined therefore we need to exclude that values for the calculation of the limit. Therefore we can assume $xge 0$.
              – gimusi
              Aug 9 at 18:25










            • @Yagger The case is similaro to $lim_xto 0 log x$ for which we are implicitely assuming that $xto 0^+$. For $x to 0^-$ the expression is undefined and therefore it should be meaningless to take the limit.
              – gimusi
              Aug 9 at 18:26















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            With the given condition $xge 0$, necessary in order to have a defined expression, the limit exists and it is equal to zero.



            In this case we are considering $(x,y)to(0,0)$ along paths with $xge 0$ otherwise $f(x,y)$ is not defined and take the limit would be meaningless.



            As an alternative by polar coordinates we have



            $$fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2=sinthetasqrtrcos thetato 0$$



            indeed for theta in $[-pi/2,pi/2]$



            $$0le |sinthetasqrtrcos theta|le sqrt r to 0$$






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            • The condition of $xgeq 0$ was not given. The domain of $f$ was not specified so I assume it is $mathbbR^2$
              – Yagger
              Aug 9 at 18:22











            • @Yagger For $x<0$ the function is not defined therefore we need to exclude that values for the calculation of the limit. Therefore we can assume $xge 0$.
              – gimusi
              Aug 9 at 18:25










            • @Yagger The case is similaro to $lim_xto 0 log x$ for which we are implicitely assuming that $xto 0^+$. For $x to 0^-$ the expression is undefined and therefore it should be meaningless to take the limit.
              – gimusi
              Aug 9 at 18:26













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            With the given condition $xge 0$, necessary in order to have a defined expression, the limit exists and it is equal to zero.



            In this case we are considering $(x,y)to(0,0)$ along paths with $xge 0$ otherwise $f(x,y)$ is not defined and take the limit would be meaningless.



            As an alternative by polar coordinates we have



            $$fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2=sinthetasqrtrcos thetato 0$$



            indeed for theta in $[-pi/2,pi/2]$



            $$0le |sinthetasqrtrcos theta|le sqrt r to 0$$






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            With the given condition $xge 0$, necessary in order to have a defined expression, the limit exists and it is equal to zero.



            In this case we are considering $(x,y)to(0,0)$ along paths with $xge 0$ otherwise $f(x,y)$ is not defined and take the limit would be meaningless.



            As an alternative by polar coordinates we have



            $$fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2=sinthetasqrtrcos thetato 0$$



            indeed for theta in $[-pi/2,pi/2]$



            $$0le |sinthetasqrtrcos theta|le sqrt r to 0$$







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            • The condition of $xgeq 0$ was not given. The domain of $f$ was not specified so I assume it is $mathbbR^2$
              – Yagger
              Aug 9 at 18:22











            • @Yagger For $x<0$ the function is not defined therefore we need to exclude that values for the calculation of the limit. Therefore we can assume $xge 0$.
              – gimusi
              Aug 9 at 18:25










            • @Yagger The case is similaro to $lim_xto 0 log x$ for which we are implicitely assuming that $xto 0^+$. For $x to 0^-$ the expression is undefined and therefore it should be meaningless to take the limit.
              – gimusi
              Aug 9 at 18:26

















            • The condition of $xgeq 0$ was not given. The domain of $f$ was not specified so I assume it is $mathbbR^2$
              – Yagger
              Aug 9 at 18:22











            • @Yagger For $x<0$ the function is not defined therefore we need to exclude that values for the calculation of the limit. Therefore we can assume $xge 0$.
              – gimusi
              Aug 9 at 18:25










            • @Yagger The case is similaro to $lim_xto 0 log x$ for which we are implicitely assuming that $xto 0^+$. For $x to 0^-$ the expression is undefined and therefore it should be meaningless to take the limit.
              – gimusi
              Aug 9 at 18:26
















            The condition of $xgeq 0$ was not given. The domain of $f$ was not specified so I assume it is $mathbbR^2$
            – Yagger
            Aug 9 at 18:22





            The condition of $xgeq 0$ was not given. The domain of $f$ was not specified so I assume it is $mathbbR^2$
            – Yagger
            Aug 9 at 18:22













            @Yagger For $x<0$ the function is not defined therefore we need to exclude that values for the calculation of the limit. Therefore we can assume $xge 0$.
            – gimusi
            Aug 9 at 18:25




            @Yagger For $x<0$ the function is not defined therefore we need to exclude that values for the calculation of the limit. Therefore we can assume $xge 0$.
            – gimusi
            Aug 9 at 18:25












            @Yagger The case is similaro to $lim_xto 0 log x$ for which we are implicitely assuming that $xto 0^+$. For $x to 0^-$ the expression is undefined and therefore it should be meaningless to take the limit.
            – gimusi
            Aug 9 at 18:26





            @Yagger The case is similaro to $lim_xto 0 log x$ for which we are implicitely assuming that $xto 0^+$. For $x to 0^-$ the expression is undefined and therefore it should be meaningless to take the limit.
            – gimusi
            Aug 9 at 18:26











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            A function must be defined on an appropriate domain.



            If you assume the domain must be $mathbb R^2,$ then you do not have a function at all, let alone a limit.



            If you define a domain on which $f$ is defined, and the domain contains $(0,0)$ (or at least has it as a limit point), then according to at least some definitions of the limit of a function, the limit exists.






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              A function must be defined on an appropriate domain.



              If you assume the domain must be $mathbb R^2,$ then you do not have a function at all, let alone a limit.



              If you define a domain on which $f$ is defined, and the domain contains $(0,0)$ (or at least has it as a limit point), then according to at least some definitions of the limit of a function, the limit exists.






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                A function must be defined on an appropriate domain.



                If you assume the domain must be $mathbb R^2,$ then you do not have a function at all, let alone a limit.



                If you define a domain on which $f$ is defined, and the domain contains $(0,0)$ (or at least has it as a limit point), then according to at least some definitions of the limit of a function, the limit exists.






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                A function must be defined on an appropriate domain.



                If you assume the domain must be $mathbb R^2,$ then you do not have a function at all, let alone a limit.



                If you define a domain on which $f$ is defined, and the domain contains $(0,0)$ (or at least has it as a limit point), then according to at least some definitions of the limit of a function, the limit exists.







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