Does a function have to be defined in a neighborhood of a point in order for a limit to exist?
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I came across the following limit
$$lim_(x,y)to(0,0) fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2$$
If $xgeq0$ then
$$0 leq bigg| fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2bigg|= fracysqrtx^2 + y^2 leq sqrtx$$
So using the squeeze theorem the limit is equal to zero.
However for any neighborhood $V$ of $(0,0)$ there are points where $x lt 0$ and therefore $f$ is not defined . Does it mean that the limit doesn't exist, or should we only consider the points where $f$ is defined?
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I came across the following limit
$$lim_(x,y)to(0,0) fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2$$
If $xgeq0$ then
$$0 leq bigg| fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2bigg|= fracysqrtx^2 + y^2 leq sqrtx$$
So using the squeeze theorem the limit is equal to zero.
However for any neighborhood $V$ of $(0,0)$ there are points where $x lt 0$ and therefore $f$ is not defined . Does it mean that the limit doesn't exist, or should we only consider the points where $f$ is defined?
real-analysis limits multivariable-calculus
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I came across the following limit
$$lim_(x,y)to(0,0) fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2$$
If $xgeq0$ then
$$0 leq bigg| fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2bigg|= fracysqrtx^2 + y^2 leq sqrtx$$
So using the squeeze theorem the limit is equal to zero.
However for any neighborhood $V$ of $(0,0)$ there are points where $x lt 0$ and therefore $f$ is not defined . Does it mean that the limit doesn't exist, or should we only consider the points where $f$ is defined?
real-analysis limits multivariable-calculus
I came across the following limit
$$lim_(x,y)to(0,0) fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2$$
If $xgeq0$ then
$$0 leq bigg| fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2bigg|= fracysqrtx^2 + y^2 leq sqrtx$$
So using the squeeze theorem the limit is equal to zero.
However for any neighborhood $V$ of $(0,0)$ there are points where $x lt 0$ and therefore $f$ is not defined . Does it mean that the limit doesn't exist, or should we only consider the points where $f$ is defined?
real-analysis limits multivariable-calculus
edited Aug 9 at 18:24
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With the given condition $xge 0$, necessary in order to have a defined expression, the limit exists and it is equal to zero.
In this case we are considering $(x,y)to(0,0)$ along paths with $xge 0$ otherwise $f(x,y)$ is not defined and take the limit would be meaningless.
As an alternative by polar coordinates we have
$$fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2=sinthetasqrtrcos thetato 0$$
indeed for theta in $[-pi/2,pi/2]$
$$0le |sinthetasqrtrcos theta|le sqrt r to 0$$
The condition of $xgeq 0$ was not given. The domain of $f$ was not specified so I assume it is $mathbbR^2$
â Yagger
Aug 9 at 18:22
@Yagger For $x<0$ the function is not defined therefore we need to exclude that values for the calculation of the limit. Therefore we can assume $xge 0$.
â gimusi
Aug 9 at 18:25
@Yagger The case is similaro to $lim_xto 0 log x$ for which we are implicitely assuming that $xto 0^+$. For $x to 0^-$ the expression is undefined and therefore it should be meaningless to take the limit.
â gimusi
Aug 9 at 18:26
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A function must be defined on an appropriate domain.
If you assume the domain must be $mathbb R^2,$ then you do not have a function at all, let alone a limit.
If you define a domain on which $f$ is defined, and the domain contains $(0,0)$ (or at least has it as a limit point), then according to at least some definitions of the limit of a function, the limit exists.
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2 Answers
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active
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With the given condition $xge 0$, necessary in order to have a defined expression, the limit exists and it is equal to zero.
In this case we are considering $(x,y)to(0,0)$ along paths with $xge 0$ otherwise $f(x,y)$ is not defined and take the limit would be meaningless.
As an alternative by polar coordinates we have
$$fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2=sinthetasqrtrcos thetato 0$$
indeed for theta in $[-pi/2,pi/2]$
$$0le |sinthetasqrtrcos theta|le sqrt r to 0$$
The condition of $xgeq 0$ was not given. The domain of $f$ was not specified so I assume it is $mathbbR^2$
â Yagger
Aug 9 at 18:22
@Yagger For $x<0$ the function is not defined therefore we need to exclude that values for the calculation of the limit. Therefore we can assume $xge 0$.
â gimusi
Aug 9 at 18:25
@Yagger The case is similaro to $lim_xto 0 log x$ for which we are implicitely assuming that $xto 0^+$. For $x to 0^-$ the expression is undefined and therefore it should be meaningless to take the limit.
â gimusi
Aug 9 at 18:26
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With the given condition $xge 0$, necessary in order to have a defined expression, the limit exists and it is equal to zero.
In this case we are considering $(x,y)to(0,0)$ along paths with $xge 0$ otherwise $f(x,y)$ is not defined and take the limit would be meaningless.
As an alternative by polar coordinates we have
$$fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2=sinthetasqrtrcos thetato 0$$
indeed for theta in $[-pi/2,pi/2]$
$$0le |sinthetasqrtrcos theta|le sqrt r to 0$$
The condition of $xgeq 0$ was not given. The domain of $f$ was not specified so I assume it is $mathbbR^2$
â Yagger
Aug 9 at 18:22
@Yagger For $x<0$ the function is not defined therefore we need to exclude that values for the calculation of the limit. Therefore we can assume $xge 0$.
â gimusi
Aug 9 at 18:25
@Yagger The case is similaro to $lim_xto 0 log x$ for which we are implicitely assuming that $xto 0^+$. For $x to 0^-$ the expression is undefined and therefore it should be meaningless to take the limit.
â gimusi
Aug 9 at 18:26
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With the given condition $xge 0$, necessary in order to have a defined expression, the limit exists and it is equal to zero.
In this case we are considering $(x,y)to(0,0)$ along paths with $xge 0$ otherwise $f(x,y)$ is not defined and take the limit would be meaningless.
As an alternative by polar coordinates we have
$$fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2=sinthetasqrtrcos thetato 0$$
indeed for theta in $[-pi/2,pi/2]$
$$0le |sinthetasqrtrcos theta|le sqrt r to 0$$
With the given condition $xge 0$, necessary in order to have a defined expression, the limit exists and it is equal to zero.
In this case we are considering $(x,y)to(0,0)$ along paths with $xge 0$ otherwise $f(x,y)$ is not defined and take the limit would be meaningless.
As an alternative by polar coordinates we have
$$fracy sqrtxsqrtx^2 + y^2=sinthetasqrtrcos thetato 0$$
indeed for theta in $[-pi/2,pi/2]$
$$0le |sinthetasqrtrcos theta|le sqrt r to 0$$
edited Aug 9 at 18:30
answered Aug 9 at 18:20
gimusi
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The condition of $xgeq 0$ was not given. The domain of $f$ was not specified so I assume it is $mathbbR^2$
â Yagger
Aug 9 at 18:22
@Yagger For $x<0$ the function is not defined therefore we need to exclude that values for the calculation of the limit. Therefore we can assume $xge 0$.
â gimusi
Aug 9 at 18:25
@Yagger The case is similaro to $lim_xto 0 log x$ for which we are implicitely assuming that $xto 0^+$. For $x to 0^-$ the expression is undefined and therefore it should be meaningless to take the limit.
â gimusi
Aug 9 at 18:26
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The condition of $xgeq 0$ was not given. The domain of $f$ was not specified so I assume it is $mathbbR^2$
â Yagger
Aug 9 at 18:22
@Yagger For $x<0$ the function is not defined therefore we need to exclude that values for the calculation of the limit. Therefore we can assume $xge 0$.
â gimusi
Aug 9 at 18:25
@Yagger The case is similaro to $lim_xto 0 log x$ for which we are implicitely assuming that $xto 0^+$. For $x to 0^-$ the expression is undefined and therefore it should be meaningless to take the limit.
â gimusi
Aug 9 at 18:26
The condition of $xgeq 0$ was not given. The domain of $f$ was not specified so I assume it is $mathbbR^2$
â Yagger
Aug 9 at 18:22
The condition of $xgeq 0$ was not given. The domain of $f$ was not specified so I assume it is $mathbbR^2$
â Yagger
Aug 9 at 18:22
@Yagger For $x<0$ the function is not defined therefore we need to exclude that values for the calculation of the limit. Therefore we can assume $xge 0$.
â gimusi
Aug 9 at 18:25
@Yagger For $x<0$ the function is not defined therefore we need to exclude that values for the calculation of the limit. Therefore we can assume $xge 0$.
â gimusi
Aug 9 at 18:25
@Yagger The case is similaro to $lim_xto 0 log x$ for which we are implicitely assuming that $xto 0^+$. For $x to 0^-$ the expression is undefined and therefore it should be meaningless to take the limit.
â gimusi
Aug 9 at 18:26
@Yagger The case is similaro to $lim_xto 0 log x$ for which we are implicitely assuming that $xto 0^+$. For $x to 0^-$ the expression is undefined and therefore it should be meaningless to take the limit.
â gimusi
Aug 9 at 18:26
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A function must be defined on an appropriate domain.
If you assume the domain must be $mathbb R^2,$ then you do not have a function at all, let alone a limit.
If you define a domain on which $f$ is defined, and the domain contains $(0,0)$ (or at least has it as a limit point), then according to at least some definitions of the limit of a function, the limit exists.
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A function must be defined on an appropriate domain.
If you assume the domain must be $mathbb R^2,$ then you do not have a function at all, let alone a limit.
If you define a domain on which $f$ is defined, and the domain contains $(0,0)$ (or at least has it as a limit point), then according to at least some definitions of the limit of a function, the limit exists.
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A function must be defined on an appropriate domain.
If you assume the domain must be $mathbb R^2,$ then you do not have a function at all, let alone a limit.
If you define a domain on which $f$ is defined, and the domain contains $(0,0)$ (or at least has it as a limit point), then according to at least some definitions of the limit of a function, the limit exists.
A function must be defined on an appropriate domain.
If you assume the domain must be $mathbb R^2,$ then you do not have a function at all, let alone a limit.
If you define a domain on which $f$ is defined, and the domain contains $(0,0)$ (or at least has it as a limit point), then according to at least some definitions of the limit of a function, the limit exists.
answered Aug 9 at 18:45
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