Increment of $arg(f(z))$ after one rotation

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I'm reading a paper and the author defines $Delta=arg(f(z))$ to be the increment of $arg(f(z))$ when $arg(z)$ for $z=e^iphi$ changes from $0$ to $2pi$. I understand that we're looking to find the difference of the arguments of $f(z)$ after $z$ makes one full rotation around the unit circle, but I'm also confused: $e^i0=e^i2pi$ so $f(e^i0)=f(e^i2pi)$, so would $Delta$ be anything besides 0?!



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      I'm reading a paper and the author defines $Delta=arg(f(z))$ to be the increment of $arg(f(z))$ when $arg(z)$ for $z=e^iphi$ changes from $0$ to $2pi$. I understand that we're looking to find the difference of the arguments of $f(z)$ after $z$ makes one full rotation around the unit circle, but I'm also confused: $e^i0=e^i2pi$ so $f(e^i0)=f(e^i2pi)$, so would $Delta$ be anything besides 0?!



      Thanks for the help, I'm new to complex analysis.







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      Thanks for the help, I'm new to complex analysis.









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          Yes, but the increment is the difference between the arguments of $f(z)$, not between the values of $f$. You have a function $f:G to mathbbC$ when $G subset mathbbC$ an open domain which contains the unit circle. Now let's define a curve $gamma:[0,2pi] to mathbbC$ by the rule $gamma(t)=f(e^it)$. Then by your definition the increment is $arg(gamma(2pi))-arg(gamma(0))$. Yes, the values of $gamma(2pi)$ and $gamma(0)$ are the same, but their arguments can still be different. For example, if $f$ is the identity function ($f(z)=z$) then you will get $gamma(0)=e^i0$ but $gamma(2pi)=e^2ipi$. The location of these points on the complex plane is the same but their arguments are different-$0$ and $2pi$ respectively. So the increment here will be $2pi$. Intuitively the increment is $2pi$ multiplied by the number of rotations that the curve $gamma$ does around the origin. A rotation counterclockwise counts as 1 rotation, a rotation clockwise counts as -1 rotation.






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          • "The location of these points on the complex plane is the same but their arguments are different." The location of a point determines exactly its modulus and argument, right? for instance, the point $z=3$ has a modulus of $3$ and an argument of $0$.
            – ToniAz
            Aug 9 at 17:14










          • Not really. Imagine you make a counterclockwise rotation around the origin and return to the same point. You added $2pi$ to the argument, right? So $2pi$ is also an argument of $z=3$. Same thing about $4pi,-2pi,100pi$ and so on. Every complex number has infinitely many arguments, and the difference between each two is $2pi$ times an integer. So the modulus of a number is a function, but the argument is not, because it is multi-valued.
            – Mark
            Aug 9 at 17:30











          • Aha, I guess this is some sort of convention. I'll take that.
            – ToniAz
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          Yes, but the increment is the difference between the arguments of $f(z)$, not between the values of $f$. You have a function $f:G to mathbbC$ when $G subset mathbbC$ an open domain which contains the unit circle. Now let's define a curve $gamma:[0,2pi] to mathbbC$ by the rule $gamma(t)=f(e^it)$. Then by your definition the increment is $arg(gamma(2pi))-arg(gamma(0))$. Yes, the values of $gamma(2pi)$ and $gamma(0)$ are the same, but their arguments can still be different. For example, if $f$ is the identity function ($f(z)=z$) then you will get $gamma(0)=e^i0$ but $gamma(2pi)=e^2ipi$. The location of these points on the complex plane is the same but their arguments are different-$0$ and $2pi$ respectively. So the increment here will be $2pi$. Intuitively the increment is $2pi$ multiplied by the number of rotations that the curve $gamma$ does around the origin. A rotation counterclockwise counts as 1 rotation, a rotation clockwise counts as -1 rotation.






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          • "The location of these points on the complex plane is the same but their arguments are different." The location of a point determines exactly its modulus and argument, right? for instance, the point $z=3$ has a modulus of $3$ and an argument of $0$.
            – ToniAz
            Aug 9 at 17:14










          • Not really. Imagine you make a counterclockwise rotation around the origin and return to the same point. You added $2pi$ to the argument, right? So $2pi$ is also an argument of $z=3$. Same thing about $4pi,-2pi,100pi$ and so on. Every complex number has infinitely many arguments, and the difference between each two is $2pi$ times an integer. So the modulus of a number is a function, but the argument is not, because it is multi-valued.
            – Mark
            Aug 9 at 17:30











          • Aha, I guess this is some sort of convention. I'll take that.
            – ToniAz
            Aug 9 at 17:40














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          Yes, but the increment is the difference between the arguments of $f(z)$, not between the values of $f$. You have a function $f:G to mathbbC$ when $G subset mathbbC$ an open domain which contains the unit circle. Now let's define a curve $gamma:[0,2pi] to mathbbC$ by the rule $gamma(t)=f(e^it)$. Then by your definition the increment is $arg(gamma(2pi))-arg(gamma(0))$. Yes, the values of $gamma(2pi)$ and $gamma(0)$ are the same, but their arguments can still be different. For example, if $f$ is the identity function ($f(z)=z$) then you will get $gamma(0)=e^i0$ but $gamma(2pi)=e^2ipi$. The location of these points on the complex plane is the same but their arguments are different-$0$ and $2pi$ respectively. So the increment here will be $2pi$. Intuitively the increment is $2pi$ multiplied by the number of rotations that the curve $gamma$ does around the origin. A rotation counterclockwise counts as 1 rotation, a rotation clockwise counts as -1 rotation.






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          • "The location of these points on the complex plane is the same but their arguments are different." The location of a point determines exactly its modulus and argument, right? for instance, the point $z=3$ has a modulus of $3$ and an argument of $0$.
            – ToniAz
            Aug 9 at 17:14










          • Not really. Imagine you make a counterclockwise rotation around the origin and return to the same point. You added $2pi$ to the argument, right? So $2pi$ is also an argument of $z=3$. Same thing about $4pi,-2pi,100pi$ and so on. Every complex number has infinitely many arguments, and the difference between each two is $2pi$ times an integer. So the modulus of a number is a function, but the argument is not, because it is multi-valued.
            – Mark
            Aug 9 at 17:30











          • Aha, I guess this is some sort of convention. I'll take that.
            – ToniAz
            Aug 9 at 17:40












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          Yes, but the increment is the difference between the arguments of $f(z)$, not between the values of $f$. You have a function $f:G to mathbbC$ when $G subset mathbbC$ an open domain which contains the unit circle. Now let's define a curve $gamma:[0,2pi] to mathbbC$ by the rule $gamma(t)=f(e^it)$. Then by your definition the increment is $arg(gamma(2pi))-arg(gamma(0))$. Yes, the values of $gamma(2pi)$ and $gamma(0)$ are the same, but their arguments can still be different. For example, if $f$ is the identity function ($f(z)=z$) then you will get $gamma(0)=e^i0$ but $gamma(2pi)=e^2ipi$. The location of these points on the complex plane is the same but their arguments are different-$0$ and $2pi$ respectively. So the increment here will be $2pi$. Intuitively the increment is $2pi$ multiplied by the number of rotations that the curve $gamma$ does around the origin. A rotation counterclockwise counts as 1 rotation, a rotation clockwise counts as -1 rotation.






          share|cite|improve this answer












          Yes, but the increment is the difference between the arguments of $f(z)$, not between the values of $f$. You have a function $f:G to mathbbC$ when $G subset mathbbC$ an open domain which contains the unit circle. Now let's define a curve $gamma:[0,2pi] to mathbbC$ by the rule $gamma(t)=f(e^it)$. Then by your definition the increment is $arg(gamma(2pi))-arg(gamma(0))$. Yes, the values of $gamma(2pi)$ and $gamma(0)$ are the same, but their arguments can still be different. For example, if $f$ is the identity function ($f(z)=z$) then you will get $gamma(0)=e^i0$ but $gamma(2pi)=e^2ipi$. The location of these points on the complex plane is the same but their arguments are different-$0$ and $2pi$ respectively. So the increment here will be $2pi$. Intuitively the increment is $2pi$ multiplied by the number of rotations that the curve $gamma$ does around the origin. A rotation counterclockwise counts as 1 rotation, a rotation clockwise counts as -1 rotation.







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          • "The location of these points on the complex plane is the same but their arguments are different." The location of a point determines exactly its modulus and argument, right? for instance, the point $z=3$ has a modulus of $3$ and an argument of $0$.
            – ToniAz
            Aug 9 at 17:14










          • Not really. Imagine you make a counterclockwise rotation around the origin and return to the same point. You added $2pi$ to the argument, right? So $2pi$ is also an argument of $z=3$. Same thing about $4pi,-2pi,100pi$ and so on. Every complex number has infinitely many arguments, and the difference between each two is $2pi$ times an integer. So the modulus of a number is a function, but the argument is not, because it is multi-valued.
            – Mark
            Aug 9 at 17:30











          • Aha, I guess this is some sort of convention. I'll take that.
            – ToniAz
            Aug 9 at 17:40
















          • "The location of these points on the complex plane is the same but their arguments are different." The location of a point determines exactly its modulus and argument, right? for instance, the point $z=3$ has a modulus of $3$ and an argument of $0$.
            – ToniAz
            Aug 9 at 17:14










          • Not really. Imagine you make a counterclockwise rotation around the origin and return to the same point. You added $2pi$ to the argument, right? So $2pi$ is also an argument of $z=3$. Same thing about $4pi,-2pi,100pi$ and so on. Every complex number has infinitely many arguments, and the difference between each two is $2pi$ times an integer. So the modulus of a number is a function, but the argument is not, because it is multi-valued.
            – Mark
            Aug 9 at 17:30











          • Aha, I guess this is some sort of convention. I'll take that.
            – ToniAz
            Aug 9 at 17:40















          "The location of these points on the complex plane is the same but their arguments are different." The location of a point determines exactly its modulus and argument, right? for instance, the point $z=3$ has a modulus of $3$ and an argument of $0$.
          – ToniAz
          Aug 9 at 17:14




          "The location of these points on the complex plane is the same but their arguments are different." The location of a point determines exactly its modulus and argument, right? for instance, the point $z=3$ has a modulus of $3$ and an argument of $0$.
          – ToniAz
          Aug 9 at 17:14












          Not really. Imagine you make a counterclockwise rotation around the origin and return to the same point. You added $2pi$ to the argument, right? So $2pi$ is also an argument of $z=3$. Same thing about $4pi,-2pi,100pi$ and so on. Every complex number has infinitely many arguments, and the difference between each two is $2pi$ times an integer. So the modulus of a number is a function, but the argument is not, because it is multi-valued.
          – Mark
          Aug 9 at 17:30





          Not really. Imagine you make a counterclockwise rotation around the origin and return to the same point. You added $2pi$ to the argument, right? So $2pi$ is also an argument of $z=3$. Same thing about $4pi,-2pi,100pi$ and so on. Every complex number has infinitely many arguments, and the difference between each two is $2pi$ times an integer. So the modulus of a number is a function, but the argument is not, because it is multi-valued.
          – Mark
          Aug 9 at 17:30













          Aha, I guess this is some sort of convention. I'll take that.
          – ToniAz
          Aug 9 at 17:40




          Aha, I guess this is some sort of convention. I'll take that.
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          Aug 9 at 17:40












           

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