Convergence of $a_1=1,a_2=sqrt7,a_3=sqrt7sqrt7, a_4=sqrt7sqrt7sqrt7, dots$

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Define a sequence $a_n$ as follows: $a_1=1,a_2=sqrt7,a_3=sqrt7sqrt7, a_4=sqrt7sqrt7sqrt7, dots$



Determine if it's convergent and find its limit.



The sequence satisfies $a_n=sqrt7a_n-1$. If it's convergent with limit $a$, then $a^2=7a$, so either $a=0$ or $a=7$. We show that the sequence is monotonically increasing and bounded above by $7$ so its limit cannot be equal $0$, thus it is $7$.



Claim. $a_n < 7$ for all $n$.



Proof: Induction on $n$. The base is clear. Assume $a_n-1 < 7$. This is equivalent to saying that $7a_n-1 < 49$, which happens iff $sqrt 7a_n-1 < 7$. Then $a_n=sqrt7a_n-1 < 7$.



It remains to show $a_n$ is monotonically increasing.
Consider
$a_n/a_n-1=sqrt7/a_n-1$. We prove that this is greater than $1$. It will follow that $a_n > a_n-1$.



Since $a_n < 7$, $7/a_n-1> 1$, whence $a_n/a_n-1 > 1$. Thus the sequence is increasing and bounded above, so it's convergent. It's limit cannot be zero, so it must be $7$.



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  • Although that question contains a complete solution, it doesn't answer whether my reasoning is correct.
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    Aug 9 at 18:04






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    It's simpler, just note that $a_n = 7^frac12+frac14+frac18+...+2^1-n$. Now just sum the geometric series and use continuity of $x mapsto 7^x$.
    – Shalop
    Aug 9 at 18:14











  • @Shalop For me it's not simpler, actually. I was aware of that solution, but the solutions that I produce on my own tend to be of more help, so I posted this to check whether my version has any mistakes.
    – user531232
    Aug 9 at 18:19






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    Yes, the proof is correct.
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Define a sequence $a_n$ as follows: $a_1=1,a_2=sqrt7,a_3=sqrt7sqrt7, a_4=sqrt7sqrt7sqrt7, dots$



Determine if it's convergent and find its limit.



The sequence satisfies $a_n=sqrt7a_n-1$. If it's convergent with limit $a$, then $a^2=7a$, so either $a=0$ or $a=7$. We show that the sequence is monotonically increasing and bounded above by $7$ so its limit cannot be equal $0$, thus it is $7$.



Claim. $a_n < 7$ for all $n$.



Proof: Induction on $n$. The base is clear. Assume $a_n-1 < 7$. This is equivalent to saying that $7a_n-1 < 49$, which happens iff $sqrt 7a_n-1 < 7$. Then $a_n=sqrt7a_n-1 < 7$.



It remains to show $a_n$ is monotonically increasing.
Consider
$a_n/a_n-1=sqrt7/a_n-1$. We prove that this is greater than $1$. It will follow that $a_n > a_n-1$.



Since $a_n < 7$, $7/a_n-1> 1$, whence $a_n/a_n-1 > 1$. Thus the sequence is increasing and bounded above, so it's convergent. It's limit cannot be zero, so it must be $7$.



Is this a correct proof?







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  • math.stackexchange.com/questions/589288/…
    – lab bhattacharjee
    Aug 9 at 18:00










  • Although that question contains a complete solution, it doesn't answer whether my reasoning is correct.
    – user531232
    Aug 9 at 18:04






  • 1




    It's simpler, just note that $a_n = 7^frac12+frac14+frac18+...+2^1-n$. Now just sum the geometric series and use continuity of $x mapsto 7^x$.
    – Shalop
    Aug 9 at 18:14











  • @Shalop For me it's not simpler, actually. I was aware of that solution, but the solutions that I produce on my own tend to be of more help, so I posted this to check whether my version has any mistakes.
    – user531232
    Aug 9 at 18:19






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    Yes, the proof is correct.
    – saulspatz
    Aug 9 at 18:33












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Define a sequence $a_n$ as follows: $a_1=1,a_2=sqrt7,a_3=sqrt7sqrt7, a_4=sqrt7sqrt7sqrt7, dots$



Determine if it's convergent and find its limit.



The sequence satisfies $a_n=sqrt7a_n-1$. If it's convergent with limit $a$, then $a^2=7a$, so either $a=0$ or $a=7$. We show that the sequence is monotonically increasing and bounded above by $7$ so its limit cannot be equal $0$, thus it is $7$.



Claim. $a_n < 7$ for all $n$.



Proof: Induction on $n$. The base is clear. Assume $a_n-1 < 7$. This is equivalent to saying that $7a_n-1 < 49$, which happens iff $sqrt 7a_n-1 < 7$. Then $a_n=sqrt7a_n-1 < 7$.



It remains to show $a_n$ is monotonically increasing.
Consider
$a_n/a_n-1=sqrt7/a_n-1$. We prove that this is greater than $1$. It will follow that $a_n > a_n-1$.



Since $a_n < 7$, $7/a_n-1> 1$, whence $a_n/a_n-1 > 1$. Thus the sequence is increasing and bounded above, so it's convergent. It's limit cannot be zero, so it must be $7$.



Is this a correct proof?







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Define a sequence $a_n$ as follows: $a_1=1,a_2=sqrt7,a_3=sqrt7sqrt7, a_4=sqrt7sqrt7sqrt7, dots$



Determine if it's convergent and find its limit.



The sequence satisfies $a_n=sqrt7a_n-1$. If it's convergent with limit $a$, then $a^2=7a$, so either $a=0$ or $a=7$. We show that the sequence is monotonically increasing and bounded above by $7$ so its limit cannot be equal $0$, thus it is $7$.



Claim. $a_n < 7$ for all $n$.



Proof: Induction on $n$. The base is clear. Assume $a_n-1 < 7$. This is equivalent to saying that $7a_n-1 < 49$, which happens iff $sqrt 7a_n-1 < 7$. Then $a_n=sqrt7a_n-1 < 7$.



It remains to show $a_n$ is monotonically increasing.
Consider
$a_n/a_n-1=sqrt7/a_n-1$. We prove that this is greater than $1$. It will follow that $a_n > a_n-1$.



Since $a_n < 7$, $7/a_n-1> 1$, whence $a_n/a_n-1 > 1$. Thus the sequence is increasing and bounded above, so it's convergent. It's limit cannot be zero, so it must be $7$.



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  • math.stackexchange.com/questions/589288/…
    – lab bhattacharjee
    Aug 9 at 18:00










  • Although that question contains a complete solution, it doesn't answer whether my reasoning is correct.
    – user531232
    Aug 9 at 18:04






  • 1




    It's simpler, just note that $a_n = 7^frac12+frac14+frac18+...+2^1-n$. Now just sum the geometric series and use continuity of $x mapsto 7^x$.
    – Shalop
    Aug 9 at 18:14











  • @Shalop For me it's not simpler, actually. I was aware of that solution, but the solutions that I produce on my own tend to be of more help, so I posted this to check whether my version has any mistakes.
    – user531232
    Aug 9 at 18:19






  • 2




    Yes, the proof is correct.
    – saulspatz
    Aug 9 at 18:33
















  • math.stackexchange.com/questions/589288/…
    – lab bhattacharjee
    Aug 9 at 18:00










  • Although that question contains a complete solution, it doesn't answer whether my reasoning is correct.
    – user531232
    Aug 9 at 18:04






  • 1




    It's simpler, just note that $a_n = 7^frac12+frac14+frac18+...+2^1-n$. Now just sum the geometric series and use continuity of $x mapsto 7^x$.
    – Shalop
    Aug 9 at 18:14











  • @Shalop For me it's not simpler, actually. I was aware of that solution, but the solutions that I produce on my own tend to be of more help, so I posted this to check whether my version has any mistakes.
    – user531232
    Aug 9 at 18:19






  • 2




    Yes, the proof is correct.
    – saulspatz
    Aug 9 at 18:33















math.stackexchange.com/questions/589288/…
– lab bhattacharjee
Aug 9 at 18:00




math.stackexchange.com/questions/589288/…
– lab bhattacharjee
Aug 9 at 18:00












Although that question contains a complete solution, it doesn't answer whether my reasoning is correct.
– user531232
Aug 9 at 18:04




Although that question contains a complete solution, it doesn't answer whether my reasoning is correct.
– user531232
Aug 9 at 18:04




1




1




It's simpler, just note that $a_n = 7^frac12+frac14+frac18+...+2^1-n$. Now just sum the geometric series and use continuity of $x mapsto 7^x$.
– Shalop
Aug 9 at 18:14





It's simpler, just note that $a_n = 7^frac12+frac14+frac18+...+2^1-n$. Now just sum the geometric series and use continuity of $x mapsto 7^x$.
– Shalop
Aug 9 at 18:14













@Shalop For me it's not simpler, actually. I was aware of that solution, but the solutions that I produce on my own tend to be of more help, so I posted this to check whether my version has any mistakes.
– user531232
Aug 9 at 18:19




@Shalop For me it's not simpler, actually. I was aware of that solution, but the solutions that I produce on my own tend to be of more help, so I posted this to check whether my version has any mistakes.
– user531232
Aug 9 at 18:19




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Yes, the proof is correct.
– saulspatz
Aug 9 at 18:33




Yes, the proof is correct.
– saulspatz
Aug 9 at 18:33










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It all boils down to showing that $$0<a_n<7implies a_n<sqrt7a_n=a_n+1<7,$$ which is fairly obvious (geometric average).






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    Here's a totally different approach.



    Let $T(a)=sqrt7a$. For $a geq 2$,
    $$
    T(a) geq sqrt14 > sqrt4 = 2
    qquad
    textand
    qquad
    |T^prime(a)| = fracsqrt72sqrta leq fracsqrt72sqrt2 = fracsqrt144 < fracsqrt164 = 1.
    $$
    Therefore, $T$ is a contraction on $[2, infty)$.



    By the Banach fixed point theorem, $T$ has a fixed point in $X$.
    You already proved that this fixed point has to be $a=7$ (since $a=0 notin X$).
    Conclude by noting that $T(a_1)=T(1)geq2$.






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      It all boils down to showing that $$0<a_n<7implies a_n<sqrt7a_n=a_n+1<7,$$ which is fairly obvious (geometric average).






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        It all boils down to showing that $$0<a_n<7implies a_n<sqrt7a_n=a_n+1<7,$$ which is fairly obvious (geometric average).






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          It all boils down to showing that $$0<a_n<7implies a_n<sqrt7a_n=a_n+1<7,$$ which is fairly obvious (geometric average).






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          It all boils down to showing that $$0<a_n<7implies a_n<sqrt7a_n=a_n+1<7,$$ which is fairly obvious (geometric average).







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              Here's a totally different approach.



              Let $T(a)=sqrt7a$. For $a geq 2$,
              $$
              T(a) geq sqrt14 > sqrt4 = 2
              qquad
              textand
              qquad
              |T^prime(a)| = fracsqrt72sqrta leq fracsqrt72sqrt2 = fracsqrt144 < fracsqrt164 = 1.
              $$
              Therefore, $T$ is a contraction on $[2, infty)$.



              By the Banach fixed point theorem, $T$ has a fixed point in $X$.
              You already proved that this fixed point has to be $a=7$ (since $a=0 notin X$).
              Conclude by noting that $T(a_1)=T(1)geq2$.






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                up vote
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                Here's a totally different approach.



                Let $T(a)=sqrt7a$. For $a geq 2$,
                $$
                T(a) geq sqrt14 > sqrt4 = 2
                qquad
                textand
                qquad
                |T^prime(a)| = fracsqrt72sqrta leq fracsqrt72sqrt2 = fracsqrt144 < fracsqrt164 = 1.
                $$
                Therefore, $T$ is a contraction on $[2, infty)$.



                By the Banach fixed point theorem, $T$ has a fixed point in $X$.
                You already proved that this fixed point has to be $a=7$ (since $a=0 notin X$).
                Conclude by noting that $T(a_1)=T(1)geq2$.






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                  Here's a totally different approach.



                  Let $T(a)=sqrt7a$. For $a geq 2$,
                  $$
                  T(a) geq sqrt14 > sqrt4 = 2
                  qquad
                  textand
                  qquad
                  |T^prime(a)| = fracsqrt72sqrta leq fracsqrt72sqrt2 = fracsqrt144 < fracsqrt164 = 1.
                  $$
                  Therefore, $T$ is a contraction on $[2, infty)$.



                  By the Banach fixed point theorem, $T$ has a fixed point in $X$.
                  You already proved that this fixed point has to be $a=7$ (since $a=0 notin X$).
                  Conclude by noting that $T(a_1)=T(1)geq2$.






                  share|cite|improve this answer














                  Here's a totally different approach.



                  Let $T(a)=sqrt7a$. For $a geq 2$,
                  $$
                  T(a) geq sqrt14 > sqrt4 = 2
                  qquad
                  textand
                  qquad
                  |T^prime(a)| = fracsqrt72sqrta leq fracsqrt72sqrt2 = fracsqrt144 < fracsqrt164 = 1.
                  $$
                  Therefore, $T$ is a contraction on $[2, infty)$.



                  By the Banach fixed point theorem, $T$ has a fixed point in $X$.
                  You already proved that this fixed point has to be $a=7$ (since $a=0 notin X$).
                  Conclude by noting that $T(a_1)=T(1)geq2$.







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