Convergence of $a_1=1,a_2=sqrt7,a_3=sqrt7sqrt7, a_4=sqrt7sqrt7sqrt7, dots$
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Define a sequence $a_n$ as follows: $a_1=1,a_2=sqrt7,a_3=sqrt7sqrt7, a_4=sqrt7sqrt7sqrt7, dots$
Determine if it's convergent and find its limit.
The sequence satisfies $a_n=sqrt7a_n-1$. If it's convergent with limit $a$, then $a^2=7a$, so either $a=0$ or $a=7$. We show that the sequence is monotonically increasing and bounded above by $7$ so its limit cannot be equal $0$, thus it is $7$.
Claim. $a_n < 7$ for all $n$.
Proof: Induction on $n$. The base is clear. Assume $a_n-1 < 7$. This is equivalent to saying that $7a_n-1 < 49$, which happens iff $sqrt 7a_n-1 < 7$. Then $a_n=sqrt7a_n-1 < 7$.
It remains to show $a_n$ is monotonically increasing.
Consider
$a_n/a_n-1=sqrt7/a_n-1$. We prove that this is greater than $1$. It will follow that $a_n > a_n-1$.
Since $a_n < 7$, $7/a_n-1> 1$, whence $a_n/a_n-1 > 1$. Thus the sequence is increasing and bounded above, so it's convergent. It's limit cannot be zero, so it must be $7$.
Is this a correct proof?
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Define a sequence $a_n$ as follows: $a_1=1,a_2=sqrt7,a_3=sqrt7sqrt7, a_4=sqrt7sqrt7sqrt7, dots$
Determine if it's convergent and find its limit.
The sequence satisfies $a_n=sqrt7a_n-1$. If it's convergent with limit $a$, then $a^2=7a$, so either $a=0$ or $a=7$. We show that the sequence is monotonically increasing and bounded above by $7$ so its limit cannot be equal $0$, thus it is $7$.
Claim. $a_n < 7$ for all $n$.
Proof: Induction on $n$. The base is clear. Assume $a_n-1 < 7$. This is equivalent to saying that $7a_n-1 < 49$, which happens iff $sqrt 7a_n-1 < 7$. Then $a_n=sqrt7a_n-1 < 7$.
It remains to show $a_n$ is monotonically increasing.
Consider
$a_n/a_n-1=sqrt7/a_n-1$. We prove that this is greater than $1$. It will follow that $a_n > a_n-1$.
Since $a_n < 7$, $7/a_n-1> 1$, whence $a_n/a_n-1 > 1$. Thus the sequence is increasing and bounded above, so it's convergent. It's limit cannot be zero, so it must be $7$.
Is this a correct proof?
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â lab bhattacharjee
Aug 9 at 18:00
Although that question contains a complete solution, it doesn't answer whether my reasoning is correct.
â user531232
Aug 9 at 18:04
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It's simpler, just note that $a_n = 7^frac12+frac14+frac18+...+2^1-n$. Now just sum the geometric series and use continuity of $x mapsto 7^x$.
â Shalop
Aug 9 at 18:14
@Shalop For me it's not simpler, actually. I was aware of that solution, but the solutions that I produce on my own tend to be of more help, so I posted this to check whether my version has any mistakes.
â user531232
Aug 9 at 18:19
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Yes, the proof is correct.
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Define a sequence $a_n$ as follows: $a_1=1,a_2=sqrt7,a_3=sqrt7sqrt7, a_4=sqrt7sqrt7sqrt7, dots$
Determine if it's convergent and find its limit.
The sequence satisfies $a_n=sqrt7a_n-1$. If it's convergent with limit $a$, then $a^2=7a$, so either $a=0$ or $a=7$. We show that the sequence is monotonically increasing and bounded above by $7$ so its limit cannot be equal $0$, thus it is $7$.
Claim. $a_n < 7$ for all $n$.
Proof: Induction on $n$. The base is clear. Assume $a_n-1 < 7$. This is equivalent to saying that $7a_n-1 < 49$, which happens iff $sqrt 7a_n-1 < 7$. Then $a_n=sqrt7a_n-1 < 7$.
It remains to show $a_n$ is monotonically increasing.
Consider
$a_n/a_n-1=sqrt7/a_n-1$. We prove that this is greater than $1$. It will follow that $a_n > a_n-1$.
Since $a_n < 7$, $7/a_n-1> 1$, whence $a_n/a_n-1 > 1$. Thus the sequence is increasing and bounded above, so it's convergent. It's limit cannot be zero, so it must be $7$.
Is this a correct proof?
calculus real-analysis sequences-and-series proof-verification
Define a sequence $a_n$ as follows: $a_1=1,a_2=sqrt7,a_3=sqrt7sqrt7, a_4=sqrt7sqrt7sqrt7, dots$
Determine if it's convergent and find its limit.
The sequence satisfies $a_n=sqrt7a_n-1$. If it's convergent with limit $a$, then $a^2=7a$, so either $a=0$ or $a=7$. We show that the sequence is monotonically increasing and bounded above by $7$ so its limit cannot be equal $0$, thus it is $7$.
Claim. $a_n < 7$ for all $n$.
Proof: Induction on $n$. The base is clear. Assume $a_n-1 < 7$. This is equivalent to saying that $7a_n-1 < 49$, which happens iff $sqrt 7a_n-1 < 7$. Then $a_n=sqrt7a_n-1 < 7$.
It remains to show $a_n$ is monotonically increasing.
Consider
$a_n/a_n-1=sqrt7/a_n-1$. We prove that this is greater than $1$. It will follow that $a_n > a_n-1$.
Since $a_n < 7$, $7/a_n-1> 1$, whence $a_n/a_n-1 > 1$. Thus the sequence is increasing and bounded above, so it's convergent. It's limit cannot be zero, so it must be $7$.
Is this a correct proof?
calculus real-analysis sequences-and-series proof-verification
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â lab bhattacharjee
Aug 9 at 18:00
Although that question contains a complete solution, it doesn't answer whether my reasoning is correct.
â user531232
Aug 9 at 18:04
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It's simpler, just note that $a_n = 7^frac12+frac14+frac18+...+2^1-n$. Now just sum the geometric series and use continuity of $x mapsto 7^x$.
â Shalop
Aug 9 at 18:14
@Shalop For me it's not simpler, actually. I was aware of that solution, but the solutions that I produce on my own tend to be of more help, so I posted this to check whether my version has any mistakes.
â user531232
Aug 9 at 18:19
2
Yes, the proof is correct.
â saulspatz
Aug 9 at 18:33
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math.stackexchange.com/questions/589288/â¦
â lab bhattacharjee
Aug 9 at 18:00
Although that question contains a complete solution, it doesn't answer whether my reasoning is correct.
â user531232
Aug 9 at 18:04
1
It's simpler, just note that $a_n = 7^frac12+frac14+frac18+...+2^1-n$. Now just sum the geometric series and use continuity of $x mapsto 7^x$.
â Shalop
Aug 9 at 18:14
@Shalop For me it's not simpler, actually. I was aware of that solution, but the solutions that I produce on my own tend to be of more help, so I posted this to check whether my version has any mistakes.
â user531232
Aug 9 at 18:19
2
Yes, the proof is correct.
â saulspatz
Aug 9 at 18:33
math.stackexchange.com/questions/589288/â¦
â lab bhattacharjee
Aug 9 at 18:00
math.stackexchange.com/questions/589288/â¦
â lab bhattacharjee
Aug 9 at 18:00
Although that question contains a complete solution, it doesn't answer whether my reasoning is correct.
â user531232
Aug 9 at 18:04
Although that question contains a complete solution, it doesn't answer whether my reasoning is correct.
â user531232
Aug 9 at 18:04
1
1
It's simpler, just note that $a_n = 7^frac12+frac14+frac18+...+2^1-n$. Now just sum the geometric series and use continuity of $x mapsto 7^x$.
â Shalop
Aug 9 at 18:14
It's simpler, just note that $a_n = 7^frac12+frac14+frac18+...+2^1-n$. Now just sum the geometric series and use continuity of $x mapsto 7^x$.
â Shalop
Aug 9 at 18:14
@Shalop For me it's not simpler, actually. I was aware of that solution, but the solutions that I produce on my own tend to be of more help, so I posted this to check whether my version has any mistakes.
â user531232
Aug 9 at 18:19
@Shalop For me it's not simpler, actually. I was aware of that solution, but the solutions that I produce on my own tend to be of more help, so I posted this to check whether my version has any mistakes.
â user531232
Aug 9 at 18:19
2
2
Yes, the proof is correct.
â saulspatz
Aug 9 at 18:33
Yes, the proof is correct.
â saulspatz
Aug 9 at 18:33
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It all boils down to showing that $$0<a_n<7implies a_n<sqrt7a_n=a_n+1<7,$$ which is fairly obvious (geometric average).
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Here's a totally different approach.
Let $T(a)=sqrt7a$. For $a geq 2$,
$$
T(a) geq sqrt14 > sqrt4 = 2
qquad
textand
qquad
|T^prime(a)| = fracsqrt72sqrta leq fracsqrt72sqrt2 = fracsqrt144 < fracsqrt164 = 1.
$$
Therefore, $T$ is a contraction on $[2, infty)$.
By the Banach fixed point theorem, $T$ has a fixed point in $X$.
You already proved that this fixed point has to be $a=7$ (since $a=0 notin X$).
Conclude by noting that $T(a_1)=T(1)geq2$.
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2 Answers
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It all boils down to showing that $$0<a_n<7implies a_n<sqrt7a_n=a_n+1<7,$$ which is fairly obvious (geometric average).
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It all boils down to showing that $$0<a_n<7implies a_n<sqrt7a_n=a_n+1<7,$$ which is fairly obvious (geometric average).
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It all boils down to showing that $$0<a_n<7implies a_n<sqrt7a_n=a_n+1<7,$$ which is fairly obvious (geometric average).
It all boils down to showing that $$0<a_n<7implies a_n<sqrt7a_n=a_n+1<7,$$ which is fairly obvious (geometric average).
answered Aug 9 at 18:03
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Here's a totally different approach.
Let $T(a)=sqrt7a$. For $a geq 2$,
$$
T(a) geq sqrt14 > sqrt4 = 2
qquad
textand
qquad
|T^prime(a)| = fracsqrt72sqrta leq fracsqrt72sqrt2 = fracsqrt144 < fracsqrt164 = 1.
$$
Therefore, $T$ is a contraction on $[2, infty)$.
By the Banach fixed point theorem, $T$ has a fixed point in $X$.
You already proved that this fixed point has to be $a=7$ (since $a=0 notin X$).
Conclude by noting that $T(a_1)=T(1)geq2$.
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
Here's a totally different approach.
Let $T(a)=sqrt7a$. For $a geq 2$,
$$
T(a) geq sqrt14 > sqrt4 = 2
qquad
textand
qquad
|T^prime(a)| = fracsqrt72sqrta leq fracsqrt72sqrt2 = fracsqrt144 < fracsqrt164 = 1.
$$
Therefore, $T$ is a contraction on $[2, infty)$.
By the Banach fixed point theorem, $T$ has a fixed point in $X$.
You already proved that this fixed point has to be $a=7$ (since $a=0 notin X$).
Conclude by noting that $T(a_1)=T(1)geq2$.
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
up vote
1
down vote
Here's a totally different approach.
Let $T(a)=sqrt7a$. For $a geq 2$,
$$
T(a) geq sqrt14 > sqrt4 = 2
qquad
textand
qquad
|T^prime(a)| = fracsqrt72sqrta leq fracsqrt72sqrt2 = fracsqrt144 < fracsqrt164 = 1.
$$
Therefore, $T$ is a contraction on $[2, infty)$.
By the Banach fixed point theorem, $T$ has a fixed point in $X$.
You already proved that this fixed point has to be $a=7$ (since $a=0 notin X$).
Conclude by noting that $T(a_1)=T(1)geq2$.
Here's a totally different approach.
Let $T(a)=sqrt7a$. For $a geq 2$,
$$
T(a) geq sqrt14 > sqrt4 = 2
qquad
textand
qquad
|T^prime(a)| = fracsqrt72sqrta leq fracsqrt72sqrt2 = fracsqrt144 < fracsqrt164 = 1.
$$
Therefore, $T$ is a contraction on $[2, infty)$.
By the Banach fixed point theorem, $T$ has a fixed point in $X$.
You already proved that this fixed point has to be $a=7$ (since $a=0 notin X$).
Conclude by noting that $T(a_1)=T(1)geq2$.
edited Aug 9 at 18:21
answered Aug 9 at 18:16
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math.stackexchange.com/questions/589288/â¦
â lab bhattacharjee
Aug 9 at 18:00
Although that question contains a complete solution, it doesn't answer whether my reasoning is correct.
â user531232
Aug 9 at 18:04
1
It's simpler, just note that $a_n = 7^frac12+frac14+frac18+...+2^1-n$. Now just sum the geometric series and use continuity of $x mapsto 7^x$.
â Shalop
Aug 9 at 18:14
@Shalop For me it's not simpler, actually. I was aware of that solution, but the solutions that I produce on my own tend to be of more help, so I posted this to check whether my version has any mistakes.
â user531232
Aug 9 at 18:19
2
Yes, the proof is correct.
â saulspatz
Aug 9 at 18:33