Short proof of $mathbbQ[x,y]/langle x^2+1, y^4-2rangle equivmathbbQ[sqrt[4]2, i]$

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I am looking for an indirect proof of $$E = mathbbQ[x,y]/_langle x^2+1, y^4-2ranglecongmathbbQ[sqrt[4]2, i],$$ much preferably using module homomorphism theorems.



To be more specific, above problem was part of a multi-part, algebra qual problem determining Galois group of $x^4-2$ over $mathbbQ.$ I can establish the above equivalence by identifying an explicit isomorphism $phi$ defined by: $phi(X)=i$ and $phi(Y) = sqrt[4]2$ by manually checking that this is indeed an isomorphism, where $X,Y$ are the equivalence classes of $x,y$ in $E.$



But I feel like there must be some slick ring/module theory proof using homomorphism theorems and maybe other theorems about prime/maximal ideals.







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    I am looking for an indirect proof of $$E = mathbbQ[x,y]/_langle x^2+1, y^4-2ranglecongmathbbQ[sqrt[4]2, i],$$ much preferably using module homomorphism theorems.



    To be more specific, above problem was part of a multi-part, algebra qual problem determining Galois group of $x^4-2$ over $mathbbQ.$ I can establish the above equivalence by identifying an explicit isomorphism $phi$ defined by: $phi(X)=i$ and $phi(Y) = sqrt[4]2$ by manually checking that this is indeed an isomorphism, where $X,Y$ are the equivalence classes of $x,y$ in $E.$



    But I feel like there must be some slick ring/module theory proof using homomorphism theorems and maybe other theorems about prime/maximal ideals.







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      I am looking for an indirect proof of $$E = mathbbQ[x,y]/_langle x^2+1, y^4-2ranglecongmathbbQ[sqrt[4]2, i],$$ much preferably using module homomorphism theorems.



      To be more specific, above problem was part of a multi-part, algebra qual problem determining Galois group of $x^4-2$ over $mathbbQ.$ I can establish the above equivalence by identifying an explicit isomorphism $phi$ defined by: $phi(X)=i$ and $phi(Y) = sqrt[4]2$ by manually checking that this is indeed an isomorphism, where $X,Y$ are the equivalence classes of $x,y$ in $E.$



      But I feel like there must be some slick ring/module theory proof using homomorphism theorems and maybe other theorems about prime/maximal ideals.







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      I am looking for an indirect proof of $$E = mathbbQ[x,y]/_langle x^2+1, y^4-2ranglecongmathbbQ[sqrt[4]2, i],$$ much preferably using module homomorphism theorems.



      To be more specific, above problem was part of a multi-part, algebra qual problem determining Galois group of $x^4-2$ over $mathbbQ.$ I can establish the above equivalence by identifying an explicit isomorphism $phi$ defined by: $phi(X)=i$ and $phi(Y) = sqrt[4]2$ by manually checking that this is indeed an isomorphism, where $X,Y$ are the equivalence classes of $x,y$ in $E.$



      But I feel like there must be some slick ring/module theory proof using homomorphism theorems and maybe other theorems about prime/maximal ideals.









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          Looks like you got it all right. I might organize the details as follows:



          1. Given a field $K$, an extension field $L$, and a point $(a,b)in L^2$, evaluating a polynomial gives a homomorphism of rings $phi:K[x,y]to L, f(x,y)mapsto f(a,b)$.

          2. By the first isomorphism theorem we get an isomorphism of rings $$K[x,y]/operatornameKer(phi)simeq operatornameIm(phi).$$

          3. We apply this to $K=BbbQ$, $L=K(i,root4of2)$, $a=i,b=root4of2$.

          4. As an integral domain, f.d. over $K$, we see that $operatornameIm(phi)$ is a field. Because it contains $i$ and $root4of2$ it must be all of $L$. In this step we can also appeal to $L/K$ being algebraic, also allowing us to conclude that $phi$ is surjective.

          5. By Eisenstein $[K(root4of2):K]=4$. Because $K(root4of2)$ is a real field $[L:K(root4of2)]=2$. Therefore $[L:K]=8$.

          6. Clearly $x^2+1$ and $y^4-2$ are both in $operatornameKer(phi)$. Denote the ideal of $K[x,y]$ they generate by $I$. It is easy to see that $K[x,y]/I$ is spanned, as a vector space over $K$, by the cosets of $x^my^n, 0le m<2, 0le n<4$. Replace higher powers of $x$ or $y$ in the obvious way.

          7. We know that $K[x,y]/operatornameKer(phi)$ is 8-dimensional, and that $Isubseteq operatornameKer(phi)$, so there is no wiggle room. We must have $I=operatornameKer(phi)$.

          Nothing much to it. Variations are possible, my habit is to reduce it to first principles.






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            In short, we will show that the left side is a field and can then check directly that both fields are a splitting field of the same polynomial.



            Consider the proof of the existence of a splitting filed. Start with $F_0=F$ and $p(x) in F[x]$. Then, take one of the irreducible polynomials that divides it (say $f_1(x)$) and then make the field extension $F_1 = F[x]/(f_1(x))/F$. The polynomial will have at least one linear factor, and you can work with a lower degree polynomial. Then you proceed by induction. If we do this explicitly for the polynomial $(t^2+1)(t^4-2) in BbbQ[t]$ one way of going about this is to get $F_1 = BbbQ[x]/(x^2+1)$ and $F_2 = F_1[y]/(y^4-2)$ (Note: In the first one, the ideal is generated in $BbbQ$ and in the second one, the ideal is generated in $F_1$). This ring will be isomorphic to $BbbQ[x,y]/(x^2+1,y^4-2)$ meaning that it is a field. You can then check directly that both $BbbQ[x,y]/(x^2+1,y^4-2)$ and $mathbbQ(sqrt[4]2, i)$ are splitting fields of $(t^2+1)(t^4-2)$ meaning that they are isomorphic (For the left side, you will get that the roots are $pm X, pm Y$, and $pm XY$ and that when you adjoin them, you get the whole field).






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              Looks like you got it all right. I might organize the details as follows:



              1. Given a field $K$, an extension field $L$, and a point $(a,b)in L^2$, evaluating a polynomial gives a homomorphism of rings $phi:K[x,y]to L, f(x,y)mapsto f(a,b)$.

              2. By the first isomorphism theorem we get an isomorphism of rings $$K[x,y]/operatornameKer(phi)simeq operatornameIm(phi).$$

              3. We apply this to $K=BbbQ$, $L=K(i,root4of2)$, $a=i,b=root4of2$.

              4. As an integral domain, f.d. over $K$, we see that $operatornameIm(phi)$ is a field. Because it contains $i$ and $root4of2$ it must be all of $L$. In this step we can also appeal to $L/K$ being algebraic, also allowing us to conclude that $phi$ is surjective.

              5. By Eisenstein $[K(root4of2):K]=4$. Because $K(root4of2)$ is a real field $[L:K(root4of2)]=2$. Therefore $[L:K]=8$.

              6. Clearly $x^2+1$ and $y^4-2$ are both in $operatornameKer(phi)$. Denote the ideal of $K[x,y]$ they generate by $I$. It is easy to see that $K[x,y]/I$ is spanned, as a vector space over $K$, by the cosets of $x^my^n, 0le m<2, 0le n<4$. Replace higher powers of $x$ or $y$ in the obvious way.

              7. We know that $K[x,y]/operatornameKer(phi)$ is 8-dimensional, and that $Isubseteq operatornameKer(phi)$, so there is no wiggle room. We must have $I=operatornameKer(phi)$.

              Nothing much to it. Variations are possible, my habit is to reduce it to first principles.






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                Looks like you got it all right. I might organize the details as follows:



                1. Given a field $K$, an extension field $L$, and a point $(a,b)in L^2$, evaluating a polynomial gives a homomorphism of rings $phi:K[x,y]to L, f(x,y)mapsto f(a,b)$.

                2. By the first isomorphism theorem we get an isomorphism of rings $$K[x,y]/operatornameKer(phi)simeq operatornameIm(phi).$$

                3. We apply this to $K=BbbQ$, $L=K(i,root4of2)$, $a=i,b=root4of2$.

                4. As an integral domain, f.d. over $K$, we see that $operatornameIm(phi)$ is a field. Because it contains $i$ and $root4of2$ it must be all of $L$. In this step we can also appeal to $L/K$ being algebraic, also allowing us to conclude that $phi$ is surjective.

                5. By Eisenstein $[K(root4of2):K]=4$. Because $K(root4of2)$ is a real field $[L:K(root4of2)]=2$. Therefore $[L:K]=8$.

                6. Clearly $x^2+1$ and $y^4-2$ are both in $operatornameKer(phi)$. Denote the ideal of $K[x,y]$ they generate by $I$. It is easy to see that $K[x,y]/I$ is spanned, as a vector space over $K$, by the cosets of $x^my^n, 0le m<2, 0le n<4$. Replace higher powers of $x$ or $y$ in the obvious way.

                7. We know that $K[x,y]/operatornameKer(phi)$ is 8-dimensional, and that $Isubseteq operatornameKer(phi)$, so there is no wiggle room. We must have $I=operatornameKer(phi)$.

                Nothing much to it. Variations are possible, my habit is to reduce it to first principles.






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                  Looks like you got it all right. I might organize the details as follows:



                  1. Given a field $K$, an extension field $L$, and a point $(a,b)in L^2$, evaluating a polynomial gives a homomorphism of rings $phi:K[x,y]to L, f(x,y)mapsto f(a,b)$.

                  2. By the first isomorphism theorem we get an isomorphism of rings $$K[x,y]/operatornameKer(phi)simeq operatornameIm(phi).$$

                  3. We apply this to $K=BbbQ$, $L=K(i,root4of2)$, $a=i,b=root4of2$.

                  4. As an integral domain, f.d. over $K$, we see that $operatornameIm(phi)$ is a field. Because it contains $i$ and $root4of2$ it must be all of $L$. In this step we can also appeal to $L/K$ being algebraic, also allowing us to conclude that $phi$ is surjective.

                  5. By Eisenstein $[K(root4of2):K]=4$. Because $K(root4of2)$ is a real field $[L:K(root4of2)]=2$. Therefore $[L:K]=8$.

                  6. Clearly $x^2+1$ and $y^4-2$ are both in $operatornameKer(phi)$. Denote the ideal of $K[x,y]$ they generate by $I$. It is easy to see that $K[x,y]/I$ is spanned, as a vector space over $K$, by the cosets of $x^my^n, 0le m<2, 0le n<4$. Replace higher powers of $x$ or $y$ in the obvious way.

                  7. We know that $K[x,y]/operatornameKer(phi)$ is 8-dimensional, and that $Isubseteq operatornameKer(phi)$, so there is no wiggle room. We must have $I=operatornameKer(phi)$.

                  Nothing much to it. Variations are possible, my habit is to reduce it to first principles.






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                  Looks like you got it all right. I might organize the details as follows:



                  1. Given a field $K$, an extension field $L$, and a point $(a,b)in L^2$, evaluating a polynomial gives a homomorphism of rings $phi:K[x,y]to L, f(x,y)mapsto f(a,b)$.

                  2. By the first isomorphism theorem we get an isomorphism of rings $$K[x,y]/operatornameKer(phi)simeq operatornameIm(phi).$$

                  3. We apply this to $K=BbbQ$, $L=K(i,root4of2)$, $a=i,b=root4of2$.

                  4. As an integral domain, f.d. over $K$, we see that $operatornameIm(phi)$ is a field. Because it contains $i$ and $root4of2$ it must be all of $L$. In this step we can also appeal to $L/K$ being algebraic, also allowing us to conclude that $phi$ is surjective.

                  5. By Eisenstein $[K(root4of2):K]=4$. Because $K(root4of2)$ is a real field $[L:K(root4of2)]=2$. Therefore $[L:K]=8$.

                  6. Clearly $x^2+1$ and $y^4-2$ are both in $operatornameKer(phi)$. Denote the ideal of $K[x,y]$ they generate by $I$. It is easy to see that $K[x,y]/I$ is spanned, as a vector space over $K$, by the cosets of $x^my^n, 0le m<2, 0le n<4$. Replace higher powers of $x$ or $y$ in the obvious way.

                  7. We know that $K[x,y]/operatornameKer(phi)$ is 8-dimensional, and that $Isubseteq operatornameKer(phi)$, so there is no wiggle room. We must have $I=operatornameKer(phi)$.

                  Nothing much to it. Variations are possible, my habit is to reduce it to first principles.







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                      In short, we will show that the left side is a field and can then check directly that both fields are a splitting field of the same polynomial.



                      Consider the proof of the existence of a splitting filed. Start with $F_0=F$ and $p(x) in F[x]$. Then, take one of the irreducible polynomials that divides it (say $f_1(x)$) and then make the field extension $F_1 = F[x]/(f_1(x))/F$. The polynomial will have at least one linear factor, and you can work with a lower degree polynomial. Then you proceed by induction. If we do this explicitly for the polynomial $(t^2+1)(t^4-2) in BbbQ[t]$ one way of going about this is to get $F_1 = BbbQ[x]/(x^2+1)$ and $F_2 = F_1[y]/(y^4-2)$ (Note: In the first one, the ideal is generated in $BbbQ$ and in the second one, the ideal is generated in $F_1$). This ring will be isomorphic to $BbbQ[x,y]/(x^2+1,y^4-2)$ meaning that it is a field. You can then check directly that both $BbbQ[x,y]/(x^2+1,y^4-2)$ and $mathbbQ(sqrt[4]2, i)$ are splitting fields of $(t^2+1)(t^4-2)$ meaning that they are isomorphic (For the left side, you will get that the roots are $pm X, pm Y$, and $pm XY$ and that when you adjoin them, you get the whole field).






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                        In short, we will show that the left side is a field and can then check directly that both fields are a splitting field of the same polynomial.



                        Consider the proof of the existence of a splitting filed. Start with $F_0=F$ and $p(x) in F[x]$. Then, take one of the irreducible polynomials that divides it (say $f_1(x)$) and then make the field extension $F_1 = F[x]/(f_1(x))/F$. The polynomial will have at least one linear factor, and you can work with a lower degree polynomial. Then you proceed by induction. If we do this explicitly for the polynomial $(t^2+1)(t^4-2) in BbbQ[t]$ one way of going about this is to get $F_1 = BbbQ[x]/(x^2+1)$ and $F_2 = F_1[y]/(y^4-2)$ (Note: In the first one, the ideal is generated in $BbbQ$ and in the second one, the ideal is generated in $F_1$). This ring will be isomorphic to $BbbQ[x,y]/(x^2+1,y^4-2)$ meaning that it is a field. You can then check directly that both $BbbQ[x,y]/(x^2+1,y^4-2)$ and $mathbbQ(sqrt[4]2, i)$ are splitting fields of $(t^2+1)(t^4-2)$ meaning that they are isomorphic (For the left side, you will get that the roots are $pm X, pm Y$, and $pm XY$ and that when you adjoin them, you get the whole field).






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                          In short, we will show that the left side is a field and can then check directly that both fields are a splitting field of the same polynomial.



                          Consider the proof of the existence of a splitting filed. Start with $F_0=F$ and $p(x) in F[x]$. Then, take one of the irreducible polynomials that divides it (say $f_1(x)$) and then make the field extension $F_1 = F[x]/(f_1(x))/F$. The polynomial will have at least one linear factor, and you can work with a lower degree polynomial. Then you proceed by induction. If we do this explicitly for the polynomial $(t^2+1)(t^4-2) in BbbQ[t]$ one way of going about this is to get $F_1 = BbbQ[x]/(x^2+1)$ and $F_2 = F_1[y]/(y^4-2)$ (Note: In the first one, the ideal is generated in $BbbQ$ and in the second one, the ideal is generated in $F_1$). This ring will be isomorphic to $BbbQ[x,y]/(x^2+1,y^4-2)$ meaning that it is a field. You can then check directly that both $BbbQ[x,y]/(x^2+1,y^4-2)$ and $mathbbQ(sqrt[4]2, i)$ are splitting fields of $(t^2+1)(t^4-2)$ meaning that they are isomorphic (For the left side, you will get that the roots are $pm X, pm Y$, and $pm XY$ and that when you adjoin them, you get the whole field).






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                          In short, we will show that the left side is a field and can then check directly that both fields are a splitting field of the same polynomial.



                          Consider the proof of the existence of a splitting filed. Start with $F_0=F$ and $p(x) in F[x]$. Then, take one of the irreducible polynomials that divides it (say $f_1(x)$) and then make the field extension $F_1 = F[x]/(f_1(x))/F$. The polynomial will have at least one linear factor, and you can work with a lower degree polynomial. Then you proceed by induction. If we do this explicitly for the polynomial $(t^2+1)(t^4-2) in BbbQ[t]$ one way of going about this is to get $F_1 = BbbQ[x]/(x^2+1)$ and $F_2 = F_1[y]/(y^4-2)$ (Note: In the first one, the ideal is generated in $BbbQ$ and in the second one, the ideal is generated in $F_1$). This ring will be isomorphic to $BbbQ[x,y]/(x^2+1,y^4-2)$ meaning that it is a field. You can then check directly that both $BbbQ[x,y]/(x^2+1,y^4-2)$ and $mathbbQ(sqrt[4]2, i)$ are splitting fields of $(t^2+1)(t^4-2)$ meaning that they are isomorphic (For the left side, you will get that the roots are $pm X, pm Y$, and $pm XY$ and that when you adjoin them, you get the whole field).







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