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Here's a statement I've come across multiple times but have never seen a proof of:
Two random variables $X$ and $Y$ are independent, if for all continuous and bounded funtions $f, g: mathbb Rtomathbb R$ it holds that
$$E[f(X)g(Y)]=E[f(X)]E[g(Y)].tag1$$
I found this answer but I'm not sure that I'm filling in the details correctly:
Suppose $X$ and $Y$ satisfy the condition in $(1).$ We want to show that $X$ and $Y$ are independent. Since the closed intervals generate the Borel sigma algebra, it suffices to show that
$$P(Xin I_1, Yin I_2)=P(Xin I_1)P(Yin I_2)$$
for all closed intervals $I_1, I_2subsetmathbb R.$ Given two such intervals let $f_n, g_nge0$ be sequences of continuous and bounded functions with
$$f_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_1), quad g_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_2). tag2$$
Then
beginalign*
P(Xin I_1, Yin I_2) &= E[1(Xin I_1, Yin I_2)]\
&= E[1(Xin I_1)1(Yin I_2)]\
&= E[lim_ntoinftyf_n(X)lim_mtoinftyg_m(Y)]\
&= lim_ntoinftyE[f_n(X)lim_mtoinftyg_m(Y)]quad text(by monotone convergence)\
&= lim_ntoinftylim_mtoinftyE[f_n(X)g_m(Y)]quad text(by m.c.)\
&= lim_ntoinftylim_mtoinftyE[f_n(X)]E[g_m(Y)]quad text(by assumption)\
&= E[1(Xin I_1)]E[1(Yin I_2)]quad text(by m.c.)\
&=P(Xin I_1)P(Yin I_2),\
endalign*
hence the claim.
Question: Is my above proof correct?
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Here's a statement I've come across multiple times but have never seen a proof of:
Two random variables $X$ and $Y$ are independent, if for all continuous and bounded funtions $f, g: mathbb Rtomathbb R$ it holds that
$$E[f(X)g(Y)]=E[f(X)]E[g(Y)].tag1$$
I found this answer but I'm not sure that I'm filling in the details correctly:
Suppose $X$ and $Y$ satisfy the condition in $(1).$ We want to show that $X$ and $Y$ are independent. Since the closed intervals generate the Borel sigma algebra, it suffices to show that
$$P(Xin I_1, Yin I_2)=P(Xin I_1)P(Yin I_2)$$
for all closed intervals $I_1, I_2subsetmathbb R.$ Given two such intervals let $f_n, g_nge0$ be sequences of continuous and bounded functions with
$$f_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_1), quad g_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_2). tag2$$
Then
beginalign*
P(Xin I_1, Yin I_2) &= E[1(Xin I_1, Yin I_2)]\
&= E[1(Xin I_1)1(Yin I_2)]\
&= E[lim_ntoinftyf_n(X)lim_mtoinftyg_m(Y)]\
&= lim_ntoinftyE[f_n(X)lim_mtoinftyg_m(Y)]quad text(by monotone convergence)\
&= lim_ntoinftylim_mtoinftyE[f_n(X)g_m(Y)]quad text(by m.c.)\
&= lim_ntoinftylim_mtoinftyE[f_n(X)]E[g_m(Y)]quad text(by assumption)\
&= E[1(Xin I_1)]E[1(Yin I_2)]quad text(by m.c.)\
&=P(Xin I_1)P(Yin I_2),\
endalign*
hence the claim.
Question: Is my above proof correct?
probability-theory measure-theory proof-verification independence
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Here's a statement I've come across multiple times but have never seen a proof of:
Two random variables $X$ and $Y$ are independent, if for all continuous and bounded funtions $f, g: mathbb Rtomathbb R$ it holds that
$$E[f(X)g(Y)]=E[f(X)]E[g(Y)].tag1$$
I found this answer but I'm not sure that I'm filling in the details correctly:
Suppose $X$ and $Y$ satisfy the condition in $(1).$ We want to show that $X$ and $Y$ are independent. Since the closed intervals generate the Borel sigma algebra, it suffices to show that
$$P(Xin I_1, Yin I_2)=P(Xin I_1)P(Yin I_2)$$
for all closed intervals $I_1, I_2subsetmathbb R.$ Given two such intervals let $f_n, g_nge0$ be sequences of continuous and bounded functions with
$$f_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_1), quad g_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_2). tag2$$
Then
beginalign*
P(Xin I_1, Yin I_2) &= E[1(Xin I_1, Yin I_2)]\
&= E[1(Xin I_1)1(Yin I_2)]\
&= E[lim_ntoinftyf_n(X)lim_mtoinftyg_m(Y)]\
&= lim_ntoinftyE[f_n(X)lim_mtoinftyg_m(Y)]quad text(by monotone convergence)\
&= lim_ntoinftylim_mtoinftyE[f_n(X)g_m(Y)]quad text(by m.c.)\
&= lim_ntoinftylim_mtoinftyE[f_n(X)]E[g_m(Y)]quad text(by assumption)\
&= E[1(Xin I_1)]E[1(Yin I_2)]quad text(by m.c.)\
&=P(Xin I_1)P(Yin I_2),\
endalign*
hence the claim.
Question: Is my above proof correct?
probability-theory measure-theory proof-verification independence
Here's a statement I've come across multiple times but have never seen a proof of:
Two random variables $X$ and $Y$ are independent, if for all continuous and bounded funtions $f, g: mathbb Rtomathbb R$ it holds that
$$E[f(X)g(Y)]=E[f(X)]E[g(Y)].tag1$$
I found this answer but I'm not sure that I'm filling in the details correctly:
Suppose $X$ and $Y$ satisfy the condition in $(1).$ We want to show that $X$ and $Y$ are independent. Since the closed intervals generate the Borel sigma algebra, it suffices to show that
$$P(Xin I_1, Yin I_2)=P(Xin I_1)P(Yin I_2)$$
for all closed intervals $I_1, I_2subsetmathbb R.$ Given two such intervals let $f_n, g_nge0$ be sequences of continuous and bounded functions with
$$f_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_1), quad g_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_2). tag2$$
Then
beginalign*
P(Xin I_1, Yin I_2) &= E[1(Xin I_1, Yin I_2)]\
&= E[1(Xin I_1)1(Yin I_2)]\
&= E[lim_ntoinftyf_n(X)lim_mtoinftyg_m(Y)]\
&= lim_ntoinftyE[f_n(X)lim_mtoinftyg_m(Y)]quad text(by monotone convergence)\
&= lim_ntoinftylim_mtoinftyE[f_n(X)g_m(Y)]quad text(by m.c.)\
&= lim_ntoinftylim_mtoinftyE[f_n(X)]E[g_m(Y)]quad text(by assumption)\
&= E[1(Xin I_1)]E[1(Yin I_2)]quad text(by m.c.)\
&=P(Xin I_1)P(Yin I_2),\
endalign*
hence the claim.
Question: Is my above proof correct?
probability-theory measure-theory proof-verification independence
edited Aug 16 at 9:29
asked Aug 16 at 9:23
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You cannot take closed intervals in this argument. The argument works if you take open intervals.
Is that because otherwise I would not be able to find $f_n$ and $g_n$ with $$f_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_1), quad g_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_2)?$$
â Epiousios
Aug 16 at 9:40
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Yes, you can do this for open intervals but not for closed intervals.
â Kavi Rama Murthy
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1 Answer
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
1
down vote
accepted
You cannot take closed intervals in this argument. The argument works if you take open intervals.
Is that because otherwise I would not be able to find $f_n$ and $g_n$ with $$f_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_1), quad g_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_2)?$$
â Epiousios
Aug 16 at 9:40
1
Yes, you can do this for open intervals but not for closed intervals.
â Kavi Rama Murthy
Aug 16 at 9:47
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up vote
1
down vote
accepted
You cannot take closed intervals in this argument. The argument works if you take open intervals.
Is that because otherwise I would not be able to find $f_n$ and $g_n$ with $$f_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_1), quad g_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_2)?$$
â Epiousios
Aug 16 at 9:40
1
Yes, you can do this for open intervals but not for closed intervals.
â Kavi Rama Murthy
Aug 16 at 9:47
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up vote
1
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accepted
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
You cannot take closed intervals in this argument. The argument works if you take open intervals.
You cannot take closed intervals in this argument. The argument works if you take open intervals.
answered Aug 16 at 9:29
Kavi Rama Murthy
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Is that because otherwise I would not be able to find $f_n$ and $g_n$ with $$f_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_1), quad g_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_2)?$$
â Epiousios
Aug 16 at 9:40
1
Yes, you can do this for open intervals but not for closed intervals.
â Kavi Rama Murthy
Aug 16 at 9:47
add a comment |Â
Is that because otherwise I would not be able to find $f_n$ and $g_n$ with $$f_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_1), quad g_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_2)?$$
â Epiousios
Aug 16 at 9:40
1
Yes, you can do this for open intervals but not for closed intervals.
â Kavi Rama Murthy
Aug 16 at 9:47
Is that because otherwise I would not be able to find $f_n$ and $g_n$ with $$f_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_1), quad g_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_2)?$$
â Epiousios
Aug 16 at 9:40
Is that because otherwise I would not be able to find $f_n$ and $g_n$ with $$f_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_1), quad g_n(cdot)uparrow 1(cdotin I_2)?$$
â Epiousios
Aug 16 at 9:40
1
1
Yes, you can do this for open intervals but not for closed intervals.
â Kavi Rama Murthy
Aug 16 at 9:47
Yes, you can do this for open intervals but not for closed intervals.
â Kavi Rama Murthy
Aug 16 at 9:47
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