Find the volume of ice cream cone using cylindrical/spherical coordinates
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I'm stuck on what the boundaries are for the volume bounded by the cone $z=-sqrt(x^2+y^2)$ and the surface $z=-sqrt(9-x^2-y^2)$ $,,$-essentially an upside down ice cream cone
Remember that $r^2=x^2+y^2$
I assumed for cylindrical coordinates the triple integral boundaries would be
$-sqrt(9-r^2)le z le -r$
$0le r le 3$
$0le theta le 2pi$
And for spherical coordinates the triple integral boundaries would be
$0le r le 3$
$pi/2le phi le pi$
$0le theta le 2pi$
However upon entering these values into MATLAB, the cylindrical coordinates integral equals to zero, whilst the spherical coordinates integral equals to $18pi$.
So somethings wrong with my boundaries, as both integrals should equal the same volume.
This is my working out for cylindrical coordinate integral so far:
$int_0^2piint_0^3int_-sqrt9-r^2^-r r,, dzdrdtheta$
$int_0^2piint_0^3 [rz]_-sqrt9-r^2^-r ,, dzdrdtheta$
$int_0^2piint_0^3 -r^2+rsqrt9-r^2 ,, dzdrdtheta$
$int_0^2pi[(int_0^3 -r^2 ,dr)+(int_0^3 rsqrt9-r^2 ,dr)]dtheta$
Let $u=9-r^2$
$du=-2r,dr$
$int_0^2pi[[frac-r^33]_0^3,-frac12int_0^3 u^frac12 ,du)],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-frac273,-frac12[frac23u^frac32]_r=0^r=3 ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac12[frac23(9-r^2)^frac32]_0^3 ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac12[frac23(9-3^2)^frac32,-frac23(9-0^2)^frac32] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac12frac23[(9-9)^frac32,-(9)^frac32] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac13[(0)^frac32,-(9)^frac32] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac13[-(9)^frac32] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac13[-27] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,+9],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi0,dtheta$
$=0$
So as you can see I can't proceed to the third integral since the second integral equals zero
Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
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I'm stuck on what the boundaries are for the volume bounded by the cone $z=-sqrt(x^2+y^2)$ and the surface $z=-sqrt(9-x^2-y^2)$ $,,$-essentially an upside down ice cream cone
Remember that $r^2=x^2+y^2$
I assumed for cylindrical coordinates the triple integral boundaries would be
$-sqrt(9-r^2)le z le -r$
$0le r le 3$
$0le theta le 2pi$
And for spherical coordinates the triple integral boundaries would be
$0le r le 3$
$pi/2le phi le pi$
$0le theta le 2pi$
However upon entering these values into MATLAB, the cylindrical coordinates integral equals to zero, whilst the spherical coordinates integral equals to $18pi$.
So somethings wrong with my boundaries, as both integrals should equal the same volume.
This is my working out for cylindrical coordinate integral so far:
$int_0^2piint_0^3int_-sqrt9-r^2^-r r,, dzdrdtheta$
$int_0^2piint_0^3 [rz]_-sqrt9-r^2^-r ,, dzdrdtheta$
$int_0^2piint_0^3 -r^2+rsqrt9-r^2 ,, dzdrdtheta$
$int_0^2pi[(int_0^3 -r^2 ,dr)+(int_0^3 rsqrt9-r^2 ,dr)]dtheta$
Let $u=9-r^2$
$du=-2r,dr$
$int_0^2pi[[frac-r^33]_0^3,-frac12int_0^3 u^frac12 ,du)],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-frac273,-frac12[frac23u^frac32]_r=0^r=3 ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac12[frac23(9-r^2)^frac32]_0^3 ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac12[frac23(9-3^2)^frac32,-frac23(9-0^2)^frac32] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac12frac23[(9-9)^frac32,-(9)^frac32] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac13[(0)^frac32,-(9)^frac32] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac13[-(9)^frac32] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac13[-27] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,+9],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi0,dtheta$
$=0$
So as you can see I can't proceed to the third integral since the second integral equals zero
Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
multivariable-calculus vector-analysis
Hi again. I don't think $18pi$ is correct either. Consider a sphere with radius of $3$. The volume would be $frac43pitimes3^3=36pi$. Your answer is half of this while your shape is clearly less than half a sphere. The reason for your spherical answer giving this is incorrect limits on $phi$. You should use $frac3pi4leqphileqpi$ as your cone has an angle of $fracpi4$. (I'll try to give you an actual answer once I get back to my computer.)
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I'm stuck on what the boundaries are for the volume bounded by the cone $z=-sqrt(x^2+y^2)$ and the surface $z=-sqrt(9-x^2-y^2)$ $,,$-essentially an upside down ice cream cone
Remember that $r^2=x^2+y^2$
I assumed for cylindrical coordinates the triple integral boundaries would be
$-sqrt(9-r^2)le z le -r$
$0le r le 3$
$0le theta le 2pi$
And for spherical coordinates the triple integral boundaries would be
$0le r le 3$
$pi/2le phi le pi$
$0le theta le 2pi$
However upon entering these values into MATLAB, the cylindrical coordinates integral equals to zero, whilst the spherical coordinates integral equals to $18pi$.
So somethings wrong with my boundaries, as both integrals should equal the same volume.
This is my working out for cylindrical coordinate integral so far:
$int_0^2piint_0^3int_-sqrt9-r^2^-r r,, dzdrdtheta$
$int_0^2piint_0^3 [rz]_-sqrt9-r^2^-r ,, dzdrdtheta$
$int_0^2piint_0^3 -r^2+rsqrt9-r^2 ,, dzdrdtheta$
$int_0^2pi[(int_0^3 -r^2 ,dr)+(int_0^3 rsqrt9-r^2 ,dr)]dtheta$
Let $u=9-r^2$
$du=-2r,dr$
$int_0^2pi[[frac-r^33]_0^3,-frac12int_0^3 u^frac12 ,du)],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-frac273,-frac12[frac23u^frac32]_r=0^r=3 ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac12[frac23(9-r^2)^frac32]_0^3 ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac12[frac23(9-3^2)^frac32,-frac23(9-0^2)^frac32] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac12frac23[(9-9)^frac32,-(9)^frac32] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac13[(0)^frac32,-(9)^frac32] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac13[-(9)^frac32] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac13[-27] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,+9],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi0,dtheta$
$=0$
So as you can see I can't proceed to the third integral since the second integral equals zero
Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
multivariable-calculus vector-analysis
I'm stuck on what the boundaries are for the volume bounded by the cone $z=-sqrt(x^2+y^2)$ and the surface $z=-sqrt(9-x^2-y^2)$ $,,$-essentially an upside down ice cream cone
Remember that $r^2=x^2+y^2$
I assumed for cylindrical coordinates the triple integral boundaries would be
$-sqrt(9-r^2)le z le -r$
$0le r le 3$
$0le theta le 2pi$
And for spherical coordinates the triple integral boundaries would be
$0le r le 3$
$pi/2le phi le pi$
$0le theta le 2pi$
However upon entering these values into MATLAB, the cylindrical coordinates integral equals to zero, whilst the spherical coordinates integral equals to $18pi$.
So somethings wrong with my boundaries, as both integrals should equal the same volume.
This is my working out for cylindrical coordinate integral so far:
$int_0^2piint_0^3int_-sqrt9-r^2^-r r,, dzdrdtheta$
$int_0^2piint_0^3 [rz]_-sqrt9-r^2^-r ,, dzdrdtheta$
$int_0^2piint_0^3 -r^2+rsqrt9-r^2 ,, dzdrdtheta$
$int_0^2pi[(int_0^3 -r^2 ,dr)+(int_0^3 rsqrt9-r^2 ,dr)]dtheta$
Let $u=9-r^2$
$du=-2r,dr$
$int_0^2pi[[frac-r^33]_0^3,-frac12int_0^3 u^frac12 ,du)],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-frac273,-frac12[frac23u^frac32]_r=0^r=3 ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac12[frac23(9-r^2)^frac32]_0^3 ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac12[frac23(9-3^2)^frac32,-frac23(9-0^2)^frac32] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac12frac23[(9-9)^frac32,-(9)^frac32] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac13[(0)^frac32,-(9)^frac32] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac13[-(9)^frac32] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,-frac13[-27] ],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi[-9,+9],dtheta$
$int_0^2pi0,dtheta$
$=0$
So as you can see I can't proceed to the third integral since the second integral equals zero
Any help would be greatly appreciated :)
multivariable-calculus vector-analysis
asked Apr 7 '16 at 8:15
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Hi again. I don't think $18pi$ is correct either. Consider a sphere with radius of $3$. The volume would be $frac43pitimes3^3=36pi$. Your answer is half of this while your shape is clearly less than half a sphere. The reason for your spherical answer giving this is incorrect limits on $phi$. You should use $frac3pi4leqphileqpi$ as your cone has an angle of $fracpi4$. (I'll try to give you an actual answer once I get back to my computer.)
â Ian Miller
Apr 7 '16 at 8:23
Please, if you are ok, you can accept the answer and set it as solved. Thanks! cdn.sstatic.net/img/faq/faq-accept-answer.png
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Feb 5 at 23:33
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Hi again. I don't think $18pi$ is correct either. Consider a sphere with radius of $3$. The volume would be $frac43pitimes3^3=36pi$. Your answer is half of this while your shape is clearly less than half a sphere. The reason for your spherical answer giving this is incorrect limits on $phi$. You should use $frac3pi4leqphileqpi$ as your cone has an angle of $fracpi4$. (I'll try to give you an actual answer once I get back to my computer.)
â Ian Miller
Apr 7 '16 at 8:23
Please, if you are ok, you can accept the answer and set it as solved. Thanks! cdn.sstatic.net/img/faq/faq-accept-answer.png
â gimusi
Feb 5 at 23:33
Hi again. I don't think $18pi$ is correct either. Consider a sphere with radius of $3$. The volume would be $frac43pitimes3^3=36pi$. Your answer is half of this while your shape is clearly less than half a sphere. The reason for your spherical answer giving this is incorrect limits on $phi$. You should use $frac3pi4leqphileqpi$ as your cone has an angle of $fracpi4$. (I'll try to give you an actual answer once I get back to my computer.)
â Ian Miller
Apr 7 '16 at 8:23
Hi again. I don't think $18pi$ is correct either. Consider a sphere with radius of $3$. The volume would be $frac43pitimes3^3=36pi$. Your answer is half of this while your shape is clearly less than half a sphere. The reason for your spherical answer giving this is incorrect limits on $phi$. You should use $frac3pi4leqphileqpi$ as your cone has an angle of $fracpi4$. (I'll try to give you an actual answer once I get back to my computer.)
â Ian Miller
Apr 7 '16 at 8:23
Please, if you are ok, you can accept the answer and set it as solved. Thanks! cdn.sstatic.net/img/faq/faq-accept-answer.png
â gimusi
Feb 5 at 23:33
Please, if you are ok, you can accept the answer and set it as solved. Thanks! cdn.sstatic.net/img/faq/faq-accept-answer.png
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The surfaces intersect when
$$-r=-sqrt9-r^2$$
which is $r^2=frac92$, not $r^2=9$ as you have in your cylindrical attempt.
For spherical coordinates $phi$ should be from $frac34pi$ to $pi$. I believe the rest is correct, as long as you are writing $r^2=x^2+y^2+z^2$ in the spherical case. (It is common to call this $rho^2$ in order to distinguish it from $r^2=x^2+y^2$.)
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In polar coordinates the set up of the integral should be
$$int_0^2piint_-3^-frac3sqrt2int_0^sqrt9-z^2 r,, dzdrdtheta+int_0^2piint_-frac3sqrt2^0int_0^-z r,, dzdrdtheta$$
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The surfaces intersect when
$$-r=-sqrt9-r^2$$
which is $r^2=frac92$, not $r^2=9$ as you have in your cylindrical attempt.
For spherical coordinates $phi$ should be from $frac34pi$ to $pi$. I believe the rest is correct, as long as you are writing $r^2=x^2+y^2+z^2$ in the spherical case. (It is common to call this $rho^2$ in order to distinguish it from $r^2=x^2+y^2$.)
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The surfaces intersect when
$$-r=-sqrt9-r^2$$
which is $r^2=frac92$, not $r^2=9$ as you have in your cylindrical attempt.
For spherical coordinates $phi$ should be from $frac34pi$ to $pi$. I believe the rest is correct, as long as you are writing $r^2=x^2+y^2+z^2$ in the spherical case. (It is common to call this $rho^2$ in order to distinguish it from $r^2=x^2+y^2$.)
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The surfaces intersect when
$$-r=-sqrt9-r^2$$
which is $r^2=frac92$, not $r^2=9$ as you have in your cylindrical attempt.
For spherical coordinates $phi$ should be from $frac34pi$ to $pi$. I believe the rest is correct, as long as you are writing $r^2=x^2+y^2+z^2$ in the spherical case. (It is common to call this $rho^2$ in order to distinguish it from $r^2=x^2+y^2$.)
The surfaces intersect when
$$-r=-sqrt9-r^2$$
which is $r^2=frac92$, not $r^2=9$ as you have in your cylindrical attempt.
For spherical coordinates $phi$ should be from $frac34pi$ to $pi$. I believe the rest is correct, as long as you are writing $r^2=x^2+y^2+z^2$ in the spherical case. (It is common to call this $rho^2$ in order to distinguish it from $r^2=x^2+y^2$.)
answered Apr 7 '16 at 8:24
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In polar coordinates the set up of the integral should be
$$int_0^2piint_-3^-frac3sqrt2int_0^sqrt9-z^2 r,, dzdrdtheta+int_0^2piint_-frac3sqrt2^0int_0^-z r,, dzdrdtheta$$
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In polar coordinates the set up of the integral should be
$$int_0^2piint_-3^-frac3sqrt2int_0^sqrt9-z^2 r,, dzdrdtheta+int_0^2piint_-frac3sqrt2^0int_0^-z r,, dzdrdtheta$$
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In polar coordinates the set up of the integral should be
$$int_0^2piint_-3^-frac3sqrt2int_0^sqrt9-z^2 r,, dzdrdtheta+int_0^2piint_-frac3sqrt2^0int_0^-z r,, dzdrdtheta$$
In polar coordinates the set up of the integral should be
$$int_0^2piint_-3^-frac3sqrt2int_0^sqrt9-z^2 r,, dzdrdtheta+int_0^2piint_-frac3sqrt2^0int_0^-z r,, dzdrdtheta$$
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Hi again. I don't think $18pi$ is correct either. Consider a sphere with radius of $3$. The volume would be $frac43pitimes3^3=36pi$. Your answer is half of this while your shape is clearly less than half a sphere. The reason for your spherical answer giving this is incorrect limits on $phi$. You should use $frac3pi4leqphileqpi$ as your cone has an angle of $fracpi4$. (I'll try to give you an actual answer once I get back to my computer.)
â Ian Miller
Apr 7 '16 at 8:23
Please, if you are ok, you can accept the answer and set it as solved. Thanks! cdn.sstatic.net/img/faq/faq-accept-answer.png
â gimusi
Feb 5 at 23:33