Am I solving dido's isoperimetric (variational) problem correctly?

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I am trying to solve dido's isoperimetric problem, more specifically, the version where we have to maximize the area under a curve, given that the two endpoints are on the x-axis, and given a fixed arclength:



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That is, we have to maximize
$$J(y)=int_a^by(x)dx$$
subject to constraint
$$C(y)=int_a^bsqrt1+(y'(x))^2dx$$
Where we assume $a$ is fixed, but $b$ is allowed to vary.



Am I solving this correctly?



Besides the boundary constraint (because of variable boundary $b$) $L_y'(b)=0$, we of course formulate the Euler-Lagrange equation $L_y=frac d dxL_y'$, based on $J$ subject to the constraint $C$, so that the Lagrangian becomes:



$$L(y,y')=y(x)+lambdasqrt1+(y'(x))^2$$



Therefore:
$$L_y=1$$
$$L_y'=lambda frac y'(x) sqrt1+(y'(x))^2$$
$$frac d dx L_y'=lambda y''(x)left(frac 1 sqrt1+(y'(x))^2-frac (y'(x))^2left (1+(y'(x))^2right)^frac 3 2right)$$



which is equal to



$$frac d dx L_y'=lambda y''(x)left(frac 1left (1+(y'(x))^2right)^frac 3 2right)$$




This gives the Euler-Lagrange equation $$lambda
y''(x)=left (1+(y'(x))^2right)^frac 3 2$$




I have no idea how to solve this ODE, and moreover, it doesn't seem like this is what I should be getting.



Did I derive this result correctly? If so, How do I solve it?



note: I know that it is also possible to solve by parameterizing $x=x(t), y(x)=y(x(t))$. I want to do this as well, later, but I would first like to understand the approach I'm taking here.







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I am trying to solve dido's isoperimetric problem, more specifically, the version where we have to maximize the area under a curve, given that the two endpoints are on the x-axis, and given a fixed arclength:



enter image description here



That is, we have to maximize
$$J(y)=int_a^by(x)dx$$
subject to constraint
$$C(y)=int_a^bsqrt1+(y'(x))^2dx$$
Where we assume $a$ is fixed, but $b$ is allowed to vary.



Am I solving this correctly?



Besides the boundary constraint (because of variable boundary $b$) $L_y'(b)=0$, we of course formulate the Euler-Lagrange equation $L_y=frac d dxL_y'$, based on $J$ subject to the constraint $C$, so that the Lagrangian becomes:



$$L(y,y')=y(x)+lambdasqrt1+(y'(x))^2$$



Therefore:
$$L_y=1$$
$$L_y'=lambda frac y'(x) sqrt1+(y'(x))^2$$
$$frac d dx L_y'=lambda y''(x)left(frac 1 sqrt1+(y'(x))^2-frac (y'(x))^2left (1+(y'(x))^2right)^frac 3 2right)$$



which is equal to



$$frac d dx L_y'=lambda y''(x)left(frac 1left (1+(y'(x))^2right)^frac 3 2right)$$




This gives the Euler-Lagrange equation $$lambda
y''(x)=left (1+(y'(x))^2right)^frac 3 2$$




I have no idea how to solve this ODE, and moreover, it doesn't seem like this is what I should be getting.



Did I derive this result correctly? If so, How do I solve it?



note: I know that it is also possible to solve by parameterizing $x=x(t), y(x)=y(x(t))$. I want to do this as well, later, but I would first like to understand the approach I'm taking here.







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    – Qmechanic
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I am trying to solve dido's isoperimetric problem, more specifically, the version where we have to maximize the area under a curve, given that the two endpoints are on the x-axis, and given a fixed arclength:



enter image description here



That is, we have to maximize
$$J(y)=int_a^by(x)dx$$
subject to constraint
$$C(y)=int_a^bsqrt1+(y'(x))^2dx$$
Where we assume $a$ is fixed, but $b$ is allowed to vary.



Am I solving this correctly?



Besides the boundary constraint (because of variable boundary $b$) $L_y'(b)=0$, we of course formulate the Euler-Lagrange equation $L_y=frac d dxL_y'$, based on $J$ subject to the constraint $C$, so that the Lagrangian becomes:



$$L(y,y')=y(x)+lambdasqrt1+(y'(x))^2$$



Therefore:
$$L_y=1$$
$$L_y'=lambda frac y'(x) sqrt1+(y'(x))^2$$
$$frac d dx L_y'=lambda y''(x)left(frac 1 sqrt1+(y'(x))^2-frac (y'(x))^2left (1+(y'(x))^2right)^frac 3 2right)$$



which is equal to



$$frac d dx L_y'=lambda y''(x)left(frac 1left (1+(y'(x))^2right)^frac 3 2right)$$




This gives the Euler-Lagrange equation $$lambda
y''(x)=left (1+(y'(x))^2right)^frac 3 2$$




I have no idea how to solve this ODE, and moreover, it doesn't seem like this is what I should be getting.



Did I derive this result correctly? If so, How do I solve it?



note: I know that it is also possible to solve by parameterizing $x=x(t), y(x)=y(x(t))$. I want to do this as well, later, but I would first like to understand the approach I'm taking here.







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I am trying to solve dido's isoperimetric problem, more specifically, the version where we have to maximize the area under a curve, given that the two endpoints are on the x-axis, and given a fixed arclength:



enter image description here



That is, we have to maximize
$$J(y)=int_a^by(x)dx$$
subject to constraint
$$C(y)=int_a^bsqrt1+(y'(x))^2dx$$
Where we assume $a$ is fixed, but $b$ is allowed to vary.



Am I solving this correctly?



Besides the boundary constraint (because of variable boundary $b$) $L_y'(b)=0$, we of course formulate the Euler-Lagrange equation $L_y=frac d dxL_y'$, based on $J$ subject to the constraint $C$, so that the Lagrangian becomes:



$$L(y,y')=y(x)+lambdasqrt1+(y'(x))^2$$



Therefore:
$$L_y=1$$
$$L_y'=lambda frac y'(x) sqrt1+(y'(x))^2$$
$$frac d dx L_y'=lambda y''(x)left(frac 1 sqrt1+(y'(x))^2-frac (y'(x))^2left (1+(y'(x))^2right)^frac 3 2right)$$



which is equal to



$$frac d dx L_y'=lambda y''(x)left(frac 1left (1+(y'(x))^2right)^frac 3 2right)$$




This gives the Euler-Lagrange equation $$lambda
y''(x)=left (1+(y'(x))^2right)^frac 3 2$$




I have no idea how to solve this ODE, and moreover, it doesn't seem like this is what I should be getting.



Did I derive this result correctly? If so, How do I solve it?



note: I know that it is also possible to solve by parameterizing $x=x(t), y(x)=y(x(t))$. I want to do this as well, later, but I would first like to understand the approach I'm taking here.









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  • Related: liberzon.csl.illinois.edu/teaching/cvoc/node21.html
    – Qmechanic
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  • Related: liberzon.csl.illinois.edu/teaching/cvoc/node21.html
    – Qmechanic
    Sep 16 '17 at 16:57















Related: liberzon.csl.illinois.edu/teaching/cvoc/node21.html
– Qmechanic
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Related: liberzon.csl.illinois.edu/teaching/cvoc/node21.html
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First, integrate both sides with regards to $x$. Next, we can get an explicit function $x=f(y')+C_1$, $C_1$ is a constant. Here we have a fact :
$y'(x)=0$ if and only if $x=C_1$
Geometrically, curve $y$ reaches the maximum value when $x=C_1$. Hence, $x$ increases for $x<C_1$ and x decrease for $x>C_1$. So, $y'(x)$ will never be zero when $x$ in $(0,C_1) cup (C_1,1)$. Finally, with some algebraic manipulations, we can get a circle equation (with radius $lambda$).






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First, integrate both sides with regards to $x$. Next, we can get an explicit function $x=f(y')+C_1$, $C_1$ is a constant. Here we have a fact :
$y'(x)=0$ if and only if $x=C_1$
Geometrically, curve $y$ reaches the maximum value when $x=C_1$. Hence, $x$ increases for $x<C_1$ and x decrease for $x>C_1$. So, $y'(x)$ will never be zero when $x$ in $(0,C_1) cup (C_1,1)$. Finally, with some algebraic manipulations, we can get a circle equation (with radius $lambda$).






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    Welcome to MSE. For some basic information about writing mathematics at this site see, e.g., basic help on mathjax notation, mathjax tutorial and quick reference, main meta site math tutorial and equation editing how-to.
    – José Carlos Santos
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First, integrate both sides with regards to $x$. Next, we can get an explicit function $x=f(y')+C_1$, $C_1$ is a constant. Here we have a fact :
$y'(x)=0$ if and only if $x=C_1$
Geometrically, curve $y$ reaches the maximum value when $x=C_1$. Hence, $x$ increases for $x<C_1$ and x decrease for $x>C_1$. So, $y'(x)$ will never be zero when $x$ in $(0,C_1) cup (C_1,1)$. Finally, with some algebraic manipulations, we can get a circle equation (with radius $lambda$).






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    Welcome to MSE. For some basic information about writing mathematics at this site see, e.g., basic help on mathjax notation, mathjax tutorial and quick reference, main meta site math tutorial and equation editing how-to.
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First, integrate both sides with regards to $x$. Next, we can get an explicit function $x=f(y')+C_1$, $C_1$ is a constant. Here we have a fact :
$y'(x)=0$ if and only if $x=C_1$
Geometrically, curve $y$ reaches the maximum value when $x=C_1$. Hence, $x$ increases for $x<C_1$ and x decrease for $x>C_1$. So, $y'(x)$ will never be zero when $x$ in $(0,C_1) cup (C_1,1)$. Finally, with some algebraic manipulations, we can get a circle equation (with radius $lambda$).






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First, integrate both sides with regards to $x$. Next, we can get an explicit function $x=f(y')+C_1$, $C_1$ is a constant. Here we have a fact :
$y'(x)=0$ if and only if $x=C_1$
Geometrically, curve $y$ reaches the maximum value when $x=C_1$. Hence, $x$ increases for $x<C_1$ and x decrease for $x>C_1$. So, $y'(x)$ will never be zero when $x$ in $(0,C_1) cup (C_1,1)$. Finally, with some algebraic manipulations, we can get a circle equation (with radius $lambda$).







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    Welcome to MSE. For some basic information about writing mathematics at this site see, e.g., basic help on mathjax notation, mathjax tutorial and quick reference, main meta site math tutorial and equation editing how-to.
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