Find ø: $ò=arctanfrac(R+r)·sin(ø)-r·sin(ø(1+fracRr))(R+r)·cos(ø)-r·cos(ø(1+fracRr))$
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The parametric formula for an epicycloid is:
$$x=(R+r)÷cos(ø)-r÷cosBiggl(øbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)\
y=(R+r)÷sin(ø)-r÷sinBiggl(øbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)$$
The angle ø is the angle between the positive x-axis and a line running from the origin through the center of the generating circle (with radius r).
If instead of the angle $theta$, you are given the angle between the positive x-axis and the end of the curve (we will call this angle $beta$), how do I find $theta$?
$$ò = arctanfrac(R+r)÷sin(ø)-r÷sinBiggl(øbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)(R+r)÷cos(ø)-r÷cosBiggl(øbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)$$
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The parametric formula for an epicycloid is:
$$x=(R+r)÷cos(ø)-r÷cosBiggl(øbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)\
y=(R+r)÷sin(ø)-r÷sinBiggl(øbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)$$
The angle ø is the angle between the positive x-axis and a line running from the origin through the center of the generating circle (with radius r).
If instead of the angle $theta$, you are given the angle between the positive x-axis and the end of the curve (we will call this angle $beta$), how do I find $theta$?
$$ò = arctanfrac(R+r)÷sin(ø)-r÷sinBiggl(øbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)(R+r)÷cos(ø)-r÷cosBiggl(øbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)$$
algebra-precalculus trigonometry
Without specific $R$ and $r$ I don't think anyone can simplify it!
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The parametric formula for an epicycloid is:
$$x=(R+r)÷cos(ø)-r÷cosBiggl(øbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)\
y=(R+r)÷sin(ø)-r÷sinBiggl(øbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)$$
The angle ø is the angle between the positive x-axis and a line running from the origin through the center of the generating circle (with radius r).
If instead of the angle $theta$, you are given the angle between the positive x-axis and the end of the curve (we will call this angle $beta$), how do I find $theta$?
$$ò = arctanfrac(R+r)÷sin(ø)-r÷sinBiggl(øbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)(R+r)÷cos(ø)-r÷cosBiggl(øbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)$$
algebra-precalculus trigonometry
The parametric formula for an epicycloid is:
$$x=(R+r)÷cos(ø)-r÷cosBiggl(øbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)\
y=(R+r)÷sin(ø)-r÷sinBiggl(øbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)$$
The angle ø is the angle between the positive x-axis and a line running from the origin through the center of the generating circle (with radius r).
If instead of the angle $theta$, you are given the angle between the positive x-axis and the end of the curve (we will call this angle $beta$), how do I find $theta$?
$$ò = arctanfrac(R+r)÷sin(ø)-r÷sinBiggl(øbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)(R+r)÷cos(ø)-r÷cosBiggl(øbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)$$
algebra-precalculus trigonometry
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Without specific $R$ and $r$ I don't think anyone can simplify it!
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Without specific $R$ and $r$ I don't think anyone can simplify it!
â Nosrati
Aug 13 at 8:11
I shall not comment after looking at math.stackexchange.com/questions/2872704/â¦
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 11:28
Don't worry ! I shall for ever remember the word you used in a comment which, being very brave, you deleted.
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Aug 14 at 11:57
I have rolled-back the question to a version that made some sense. Please don't vandalize questions (even your own) that invalidates the answers you have received.
â Blue
Aug 14 at 12:11
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@Blue. Thanks for your care. Cheers.
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 12:18
Without specific $R$ and $r$ I don't think anyone can simplify it!
â Nosrati
Aug 13 at 8:11
Without specific $R$ and $r$ I don't think anyone can simplify it!
â Nosrati
Aug 13 at 8:11
I shall not comment after looking at math.stackexchange.com/questions/2872704/â¦
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 11:28
I shall not comment after looking at math.stackexchange.com/questions/2872704/â¦
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 11:28
Don't worry ! I shall for ever remember the word you used in a comment which, being very brave, you deleted.
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 11:57
Don't worry ! I shall for ever remember the word you used in a comment which, being very brave, you deleted.
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I have rolled-back the question to a version that made some sense. Please don't vandalize questions (even your own) that invalidates the answers you have received.
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Define $t=1+frac R r$ to make the equation
$$beta=tan ^-1left(fract sin (theta )-sin (t,theta )t cos (theta )-cos (t,theta)right)$$
If $beta$ is small, composing Taylor series, you would have
$$beta=frac t (t+1)6 theta ^3+Oleft(theta ^5right)$$ and then an estimate of $theta$.
Otherwise, I suppose that a numerical method (such as Newton) would be required.
Let us try with $R=2r$, that is to say $t=3$ and suppose $beta=1$; this would give $theta_0=frac1sqrt[3]2$ and the iterates would be
$$left(
beginarraycc
n & theta_n \
0 & 0.793700526 \
1 & 1.229465478 \
2 & 1.185508561 \
3 & 1.185309641 \
4 & 1.185309636
endarray
right)$$
Edit
We could have a better approximation using the simplest Padé approximant; this would give
$$beta=frac10t (t+1), theta ^3 60+3(t^2+10t+1), theta ^2 $$ and then a cubic equation. For the worked example, this would give $theta_0 approx 1.29716$.
It should be possible to solve for beta.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 8:51
@user101434. Solving which equation ? $beta$ is given, no ?
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 8:58
Oh! My mistake, I meant to say "theta". Would this be a derivative? I know nothing of derivatives, and perhaps that is why I am having so much trouble.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 9:22
@user101434. OK ! Sincerely, I think that only numerical methods could work. No hope to get an explicit equation such as $theta=f(t,beta)$. Newton method would work perfect; you could make it using Excel.
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 9:50
You're wrong. I'm absolutely positive it's not an impossible task. When my reputation gets to 10 (it's at 9 now) I can post pictures, and perhaps that will help you understand the problem.
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Define $t=1+frac R r$ to make the equation
$$beta=tan ^-1left(fract sin (theta )-sin (t,theta )t cos (theta )-cos (t,theta)right)$$
If $beta$ is small, composing Taylor series, you would have
$$beta=frac t (t+1)6 theta ^3+Oleft(theta ^5right)$$ and then an estimate of $theta$.
Otherwise, I suppose that a numerical method (such as Newton) would be required.
Let us try with $R=2r$, that is to say $t=3$ and suppose $beta=1$; this would give $theta_0=frac1sqrt[3]2$ and the iterates would be
$$left(
beginarraycc
n & theta_n \
0 & 0.793700526 \
1 & 1.229465478 \
2 & 1.185508561 \
3 & 1.185309641 \
4 & 1.185309636
endarray
right)$$
Edit
We could have a better approximation using the simplest Padé approximant; this would give
$$beta=frac10t (t+1), theta ^3 60+3(t^2+10t+1), theta ^2 $$ and then a cubic equation. For the worked example, this would give $theta_0 approx 1.29716$.
It should be possible to solve for beta.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 8:51
@user101434. Solving which equation ? $beta$ is given, no ?
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 8:58
Oh! My mistake, I meant to say "theta". Would this be a derivative? I know nothing of derivatives, and perhaps that is why I am having so much trouble.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 9:22
@user101434. OK ! Sincerely, I think that only numerical methods could work. No hope to get an explicit equation such as $theta=f(t,beta)$. Newton method would work perfect; you could make it using Excel.
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 9:50
You're wrong. I'm absolutely positive it's not an impossible task. When my reputation gets to 10 (it's at 9 now) I can post pictures, and perhaps that will help you understand the problem.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 10:17
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Define $t=1+frac R r$ to make the equation
$$beta=tan ^-1left(fract sin (theta )-sin (t,theta )t cos (theta )-cos (t,theta)right)$$
If $beta$ is small, composing Taylor series, you would have
$$beta=frac t (t+1)6 theta ^3+Oleft(theta ^5right)$$ and then an estimate of $theta$.
Otherwise, I suppose that a numerical method (such as Newton) would be required.
Let us try with $R=2r$, that is to say $t=3$ and suppose $beta=1$; this would give $theta_0=frac1sqrt[3]2$ and the iterates would be
$$left(
beginarraycc
n & theta_n \
0 & 0.793700526 \
1 & 1.229465478 \
2 & 1.185508561 \
3 & 1.185309641 \
4 & 1.185309636
endarray
right)$$
Edit
We could have a better approximation using the simplest Padé approximant; this would give
$$beta=frac10t (t+1), theta ^3 60+3(t^2+10t+1), theta ^2 $$ and then a cubic equation. For the worked example, this would give $theta_0 approx 1.29716$.
It should be possible to solve for beta.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 8:51
@user101434. Solving which equation ? $beta$ is given, no ?
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 8:58
Oh! My mistake, I meant to say "theta". Would this be a derivative? I know nothing of derivatives, and perhaps that is why I am having so much trouble.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 9:22
@user101434. OK ! Sincerely, I think that only numerical methods could work. No hope to get an explicit equation such as $theta=f(t,beta)$. Newton method would work perfect; you could make it using Excel.
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 9:50
You're wrong. I'm absolutely positive it's not an impossible task. When my reputation gets to 10 (it's at 9 now) I can post pictures, and perhaps that will help you understand the problem.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 10:17
 |Â
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Define $t=1+frac R r$ to make the equation
$$beta=tan ^-1left(fract sin (theta )-sin (t,theta )t cos (theta )-cos (t,theta)right)$$
If $beta$ is small, composing Taylor series, you would have
$$beta=frac t (t+1)6 theta ^3+Oleft(theta ^5right)$$ and then an estimate of $theta$.
Otherwise, I suppose that a numerical method (such as Newton) would be required.
Let us try with $R=2r$, that is to say $t=3$ and suppose $beta=1$; this would give $theta_0=frac1sqrt[3]2$ and the iterates would be
$$left(
beginarraycc
n & theta_n \
0 & 0.793700526 \
1 & 1.229465478 \
2 & 1.185508561 \
3 & 1.185309641 \
4 & 1.185309636
endarray
right)$$
Edit
We could have a better approximation using the simplest Padé approximant; this would give
$$beta=frac10t (t+1), theta ^3 60+3(t^2+10t+1), theta ^2 $$ and then a cubic equation. For the worked example, this would give $theta_0 approx 1.29716$.
Define $t=1+frac R r$ to make the equation
$$beta=tan ^-1left(fract sin (theta )-sin (t,theta )t cos (theta )-cos (t,theta)right)$$
If $beta$ is small, composing Taylor series, you would have
$$beta=frac t (t+1)6 theta ^3+Oleft(theta ^5right)$$ and then an estimate of $theta$.
Otherwise, I suppose that a numerical method (such as Newton) would be required.
Let us try with $R=2r$, that is to say $t=3$ and suppose $beta=1$; this would give $theta_0=frac1sqrt[3]2$ and the iterates would be
$$left(
beginarraycc
n & theta_n \
0 & 0.793700526 \
1 & 1.229465478 \
2 & 1.185508561 \
3 & 1.185309641 \
4 & 1.185309636
endarray
right)$$
Edit
We could have a better approximation using the simplest Padé approximant; this would give
$$beta=frac10t (t+1), theta ^3 60+3(t^2+10t+1), theta ^2 $$ and then a cubic equation. For the worked example, this would give $theta_0 approx 1.29716$.
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It should be possible to solve for beta.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 8:51
@user101434. Solving which equation ? $beta$ is given, no ?
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 8:58
Oh! My mistake, I meant to say "theta". Would this be a derivative? I know nothing of derivatives, and perhaps that is why I am having so much trouble.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 9:22
@user101434. OK ! Sincerely, I think that only numerical methods could work. No hope to get an explicit equation such as $theta=f(t,beta)$. Newton method would work perfect; you could make it using Excel.
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 9:50
You're wrong. I'm absolutely positive it's not an impossible task. When my reputation gets to 10 (it's at 9 now) I can post pictures, and perhaps that will help you understand the problem.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 10:17
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It should be possible to solve for beta.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 8:51
@user101434. Solving which equation ? $beta$ is given, no ?
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 8:58
Oh! My mistake, I meant to say "theta". Would this be a derivative? I know nothing of derivatives, and perhaps that is why I am having so much trouble.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 9:22
@user101434. OK ! Sincerely, I think that only numerical methods could work. No hope to get an explicit equation such as $theta=f(t,beta)$. Newton method would work perfect; you could make it using Excel.
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 9:50
You're wrong. I'm absolutely positive it's not an impossible task. When my reputation gets to 10 (it's at 9 now) I can post pictures, and perhaps that will help you understand the problem.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 10:17
It should be possible to solve for beta.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 8:51
It should be possible to solve for beta.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 8:51
@user101434. Solving which equation ? $beta$ is given, no ?
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 8:58
@user101434. Solving which equation ? $beta$ is given, no ?
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 8:58
Oh! My mistake, I meant to say "theta". Would this be a derivative? I know nothing of derivatives, and perhaps that is why I am having so much trouble.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 9:22
Oh! My mistake, I meant to say "theta". Would this be a derivative? I know nothing of derivatives, and perhaps that is why I am having so much trouble.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 9:22
@user101434. OK ! Sincerely, I think that only numerical methods could work. No hope to get an explicit equation such as $theta=f(t,beta)$. Newton method would work perfect; you could make it using Excel.
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 9:50
@user101434. OK ! Sincerely, I think that only numerical methods could work. No hope to get an explicit equation such as $theta=f(t,beta)$. Newton method would work perfect; you could make it using Excel.
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 9:50
You're wrong. I'm absolutely positive it's not an impossible task. When my reputation gets to 10 (it's at 9 now) I can post pictures, and perhaps that will help you understand the problem.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 10:17
You're wrong. I'm absolutely positive it's not an impossible task. When my reputation gets to 10 (it's at 9 now) I can post pictures, and perhaps that will help you understand the problem.
â user101434
Aug 14 at 10:17
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Without specific $R$ and $r$ I don't think anyone can simplify it!
â Nosrati
Aug 13 at 8:11
I shall not comment after looking at math.stackexchange.com/questions/2872704/â¦
â Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 11:28
Don't worry ! I shall for ever remember the word you used in a comment which, being very brave, you deleted.
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Aug 14 at 11:57
I have rolled-back the question to a version that made some sense. Please don't vandalize questions (even your own) that invalidates the answers you have received.
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@Blue. Thanks for your care. Cheers.
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