Find θ: $β=arctanfrac(R+r)·sin(θ)-r·sin(θ(1+fracRr))(R+r)·cos(θ)-r·cos(θ(1+fracRr))$

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The parametric formula for an epicycloid is:
$$x=(R+r)·cos(θ)-r·cosBiggl(θbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)\
y=(R+r)·sin(θ)-r·sinBiggl(θbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)$$



The angle θ is the angle between the positive x-axis and a line running from the origin through the center of the generating circle (with radius r).



If instead of the angle $theta$, you are given the angle between the positive x-axis and the end of the curve (we will call this angle $beta$), how do I find $theta$?



$$β = arctanfrac(R+r)·sin(θ)-r·sinBiggl(θbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)(R+r)·cos(θ)-r·cosBiggl(θbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)$$







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  • Without specific $R$ and $r$ I don't think anyone can simplify it!
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The parametric formula for an epicycloid is:
$$x=(R+r)·cos(θ)-r·cosBiggl(θbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)\
y=(R+r)·sin(θ)-r·sinBiggl(θbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)$$



The angle θ is the angle between the positive x-axis and a line running from the origin through the center of the generating circle (with radius r).



If instead of the angle $theta$, you are given the angle between the positive x-axis and the end of the curve (we will call this angle $beta$), how do I find $theta$?



$$β = arctanfrac(R+r)·sin(θ)-r·sinBiggl(θbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)(R+r)·cos(θ)-r·cosBiggl(θbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)$$







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  • Without specific $R$ and $r$ I don't think anyone can simplify it!
    – Nosrati
    Aug 13 at 8:11










  • I shall not comment after looking at math.stackexchange.com/questions/2872704/…
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 11:28










  • Don't worry ! I shall for ever remember the word you used in a comment which, being very brave, you deleted.
    – Claude Leibovici
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  • I have rolled-back the question to a version that made some sense. Please don't vandalize questions (even your own) that invalidates the answers you have received.
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    @Blue. Thanks for your care. Cheers.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 12:18












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The parametric formula for an epicycloid is:
$$x=(R+r)·cos(θ)-r·cosBiggl(θbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)\
y=(R+r)·sin(θ)-r·sinBiggl(θbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)$$



The angle θ is the angle between the positive x-axis and a line running from the origin through the center of the generating circle (with radius r).



If instead of the angle $theta$, you are given the angle between the positive x-axis and the end of the curve (we will call this angle $beta$), how do I find $theta$?



$$β = arctanfrac(R+r)·sin(θ)-r·sinBiggl(θbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)(R+r)·cos(θ)-r·cosBiggl(θbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)$$







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The parametric formula for an epicycloid is:
$$x=(R+r)·cos(θ)-r·cosBiggl(θbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)\
y=(R+r)·sin(θ)-r·sinBiggl(θbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)$$



The angle θ is the angle between the positive x-axis and a line running from the origin through the center of the generating circle (with radius r).



If instead of the angle $theta$, you are given the angle between the positive x-axis and the end of the curve (we will call this angle $beta$), how do I find $theta$?



$$β = arctanfrac(R+r)·sin(θ)-r·sinBiggl(θbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)(R+r)·cos(θ)-r·cosBiggl(θbiggl(1+fracRrbiggr)Biggr)$$









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  • Without specific $R$ and $r$ I don't think anyone can simplify it!
    – Nosrati
    Aug 13 at 8:11










  • I shall not comment after looking at math.stackexchange.com/questions/2872704/…
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 11:28










  • Don't worry ! I shall for ever remember the word you used in a comment which, being very brave, you deleted.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 11:57











  • I have rolled-back the question to a version that made some sense. Please don't vandalize questions (even your own) that invalidates the answers you have received.
    – Blue
    Aug 14 at 12:11






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    @Blue. Thanks for your care. Cheers.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 12:18
















  • Without specific $R$ and $r$ I don't think anyone can simplify it!
    – Nosrati
    Aug 13 at 8:11










  • I shall not comment after looking at math.stackexchange.com/questions/2872704/…
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 11:28










  • Don't worry ! I shall for ever remember the word you used in a comment which, being very brave, you deleted.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 11:57











  • I have rolled-back the question to a version that made some sense. Please don't vandalize questions (even your own) that invalidates the answers you have received.
    – Blue
    Aug 14 at 12:11






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    @Blue. Thanks for your care. Cheers.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 12:18















Without specific $R$ and $r$ I don't think anyone can simplify it!
– Nosrati
Aug 13 at 8:11




Without specific $R$ and $r$ I don't think anyone can simplify it!
– Nosrati
Aug 13 at 8:11












I shall not comment after looking at math.stackexchange.com/questions/2872704/…
– Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 11:28




I shall not comment after looking at math.stackexchange.com/questions/2872704/…
– Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 11:28












Don't worry ! I shall for ever remember the word you used in a comment which, being very brave, you deleted.
– Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 11:57





Don't worry ! I shall for ever remember the word you used in a comment which, being very brave, you deleted.
– Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 11:57













I have rolled-back the question to a version that made some sense. Please don't vandalize questions (even your own) that invalidates the answers you have received.
– Blue
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I have rolled-back the question to a version that made some sense. Please don't vandalize questions (even your own) that invalidates the answers you have received.
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@Blue. Thanks for your care. Cheers.
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Define $t=1+frac R r$ to make the equation
$$beta=tan ^-1left(fract sin (theta )-sin (t,theta )t cos (theta )-cos (t,theta)right)$$



If $beta$ is small, composing Taylor series, you would have
$$beta=frac t (t+1)6 theta ^3+Oleft(theta ^5right)$$ and then an estimate of $theta$.



Otherwise, I suppose that a numerical method (such as Newton) would be required.



Let us try with $R=2r$, that is to say $t=3$ and suppose $beta=1$; this would give $theta_0=frac1sqrt[3]2$ and the iterates would be



$$left(
beginarraycc
n & theta_n \
0 & 0.793700526 \
1 & 1.229465478 \
2 & 1.185508561 \
3 & 1.185309641 \
4 & 1.185309636
endarray
right)$$



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We could have a better approximation using the simplest Padé approximant; this would give
$$beta=frac10t (t+1), theta ^3 60+3(t^2+10t+1), theta ^2 $$ and then a cubic equation. For the worked example, this would give $theta_0 approx 1.29716$.






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  • It should be possible to solve for beta.
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    Aug 14 at 8:51










  • @user101434. Solving which equation ? $beta$ is given, no ?
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 8:58











  • Oh! My mistake, I meant to say "theta". Would this be a derivative? I know nothing of derivatives, and perhaps that is why I am having so much trouble.
    – user101434
    Aug 14 at 9:22










  • @user101434. OK ! Sincerely, I think that only numerical methods could work. No hope to get an explicit equation such as $theta=f(t,beta)$. Newton method would work perfect; you could make it using Excel.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 9:50










  • You're wrong. I'm absolutely positive it's not an impossible task. When my reputation gets to 10 (it's at 9 now) I can post pictures, and perhaps that will help you understand the problem.
    – user101434
    Aug 14 at 10:17











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Define $t=1+frac R r$ to make the equation
$$beta=tan ^-1left(fract sin (theta )-sin (t,theta )t cos (theta )-cos (t,theta)right)$$



If $beta$ is small, composing Taylor series, you would have
$$beta=frac t (t+1)6 theta ^3+Oleft(theta ^5right)$$ and then an estimate of $theta$.



Otherwise, I suppose that a numerical method (such as Newton) would be required.



Let us try with $R=2r$, that is to say $t=3$ and suppose $beta=1$; this would give $theta_0=frac1sqrt[3]2$ and the iterates would be



$$left(
beginarraycc
n & theta_n \
0 & 0.793700526 \
1 & 1.229465478 \
2 & 1.185508561 \
3 & 1.185309641 \
4 & 1.185309636
endarray
right)$$



Edit



We could have a better approximation using the simplest Padé approximant; this would give
$$beta=frac10t (t+1), theta ^3 60+3(t^2+10t+1), theta ^2 $$ and then a cubic equation. For the worked example, this would give $theta_0 approx 1.29716$.






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  • It should be possible to solve for beta.
    – user101434
    Aug 14 at 8:51










  • @user101434. Solving which equation ? $beta$ is given, no ?
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 8:58











  • Oh! My mistake, I meant to say "theta". Would this be a derivative? I know nothing of derivatives, and perhaps that is why I am having so much trouble.
    – user101434
    Aug 14 at 9:22










  • @user101434. OK ! Sincerely, I think that only numerical methods could work. No hope to get an explicit equation such as $theta=f(t,beta)$. Newton method would work perfect; you could make it using Excel.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 9:50










  • You're wrong. I'm absolutely positive it's not an impossible task. When my reputation gets to 10 (it's at 9 now) I can post pictures, and perhaps that will help you understand the problem.
    – user101434
    Aug 14 at 10:17















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Define $t=1+frac R r$ to make the equation
$$beta=tan ^-1left(fract sin (theta )-sin (t,theta )t cos (theta )-cos (t,theta)right)$$



If $beta$ is small, composing Taylor series, you would have
$$beta=frac t (t+1)6 theta ^3+Oleft(theta ^5right)$$ and then an estimate of $theta$.



Otherwise, I suppose that a numerical method (such as Newton) would be required.



Let us try with $R=2r$, that is to say $t=3$ and suppose $beta=1$; this would give $theta_0=frac1sqrt[3]2$ and the iterates would be



$$left(
beginarraycc
n & theta_n \
0 & 0.793700526 \
1 & 1.229465478 \
2 & 1.185508561 \
3 & 1.185309641 \
4 & 1.185309636
endarray
right)$$



Edit



We could have a better approximation using the simplest Padé approximant; this would give
$$beta=frac10t (t+1), theta ^3 60+3(t^2+10t+1), theta ^2 $$ and then a cubic equation. For the worked example, this would give $theta_0 approx 1.29716$.






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  • It should be possible to solve for beta.
    – user101434
    Aug 14 at 8:51










  • @user101434. Solving which equation ? $beta$ is given, no ?
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 8:58











  • Oh! My mistake, I meant to say "theta". Would this be a derivative? I know nothing of derivatives, and perhaps that is why I am having so much trouble.
    – user101434
    Aug 14 at 9:22










  • @user101434. OK ! Sincerely, I think that only numerical methods could work. No hope to get an explicit equation such as $theta=f(t,beta)$. Newton method would work perfect; you could make it using Excel.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 9:50










  • You're wrong. I'm absolutely positive it's not an impossible task. When my reputation gets to 10 (it's at 9 now) I can post pictures, and perhaps that will help you understand the problem.
    – user101434
    Aug 14 at 10:17













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Define $t=1+frac R r$ to make the equation
$$beta=tan ^-1left(fract sin (theta )-sin (t,theta )t cos (theta )-cos (t,theta)right)$$



If $beta$ is small, composing Taylor series, you would have
$$beta=frac t (t+1)6 theta ^3+Oleft(theta ^5right)$$ and then an estimate of $theta$.



Otherwise, I suppose that a numerical method (such as Newton) would be required.



Let us try with $R=2r$, that is to say $t=3$ and suppose $beta=1$; this would give $theta_0=frac1sqrt[3]2$ and the iterates would be



$$left(
beginarraycc
n & theta_n \
0 & 0.793700526 \
1 & 1.229465478 \
2 & 1.185508561 \
3 & 1.185309641 \
4 & 1.185309636
endarray
right)$$



Edit



We could have a better approximation using the simplest Padé approximant; this would give
$$beta=frac10t (t+1), theta ^3 60+3(t^2+10t+1), theta ^2 $$ and then a cubic equation. For the worked example, this would give $theta_0 approx 1.29716$.






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Define $t=1+frac R r$ to make the equation
$$beta=tan ^-1left(fract sin (theta )-sin (t,theta )t cos (theta )-cos (t,theta)right)$$



If $beta$ is small, composing Taylor series, you would have
$$beta=frac t (t+1)6 theta ^3+Oleft(theta ^5right)$$ and then an estimate of $theta$.



Otherwise, I suppose that a numerical method (such as Newton) would be required.



Let us try with $R=2r$, that is to say $t=3$ and suppose $beta=1$; this would give $theta_0=frac1sqrt[3]2$ and the iterates would be



$$left(
beginarraycc
n & theta_n \
0 & 0.793700526 \
1 & 1.229465478 \
2 & 1.185508561 \
3 & 1.185309641 \
4 & 1.185309636
endarray
right)$$



Edit



We could have a better approximation using the simplest Padé approximant; this would give
$$beta=frac10t (t+1), theta ^3 60+3(t^2+10t+1), theta ^2 $$ and then a cubic equation. For the worked example, this would give $theta_0 approx 1.29716$.







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  • It should be possible to solve for beta.
    – user101434
    Aug 14 at 8:51










  • @user101434. Solving which equation ? $beta$ is given, no ?
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 8:58











  • Oh! My mistake, I meant to say "theta". Would this be a derivative? I know nothing of derivatives, and perhaps that is why I am having so much trouble.
    – user101434
    Aug 14 at 9:22










  • @user101434. OK ! Sincerely, I think that only numerical methods could work. No hope to get an explicit equation such as $theta=f(t,beta)$. Newton method would work perfect; you could make it using Excel.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 9:50










  • You're wrong. I'm absolutely positive it's not an impossible task. When my reputation gets to 10 (it's at 9 now) I can post pictures, and perhaps that will help you understand the problem.
    – user101434
    Aug 14 at 10:17

















  • It should be possible to solve for beta.
    – user101434
    Aug 14 at 8:51










  • @user101434. Solving which equation ? $beta$ is given, no ?
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 8:58











  • Oh! My mistake, I meant to say "theta". Would this be a derivative? I know nothing of derivatives, and perhaps that is why I am having so much trouble.
    – user101434
    Aug 14 at 9:22










  • @user101434. OK ! Sincerely, I think that only numerical methods could work. No hope to get an explicit equation such as $theta=f(t,beta)$. Newton method would work perfect; you could make it using Excel.
    – Claude Leibovici
    Aug 14 at 9:50










  • You're wrong. I'm absolutely positive it's not an impossible task. When my reputation gets to 10 (it's at 9 now) I can post pictures, and perhaps that will help you understand the problem.
    – user101434
    Aug 14 at 10:17
















It should be possible to solve for beta.
– user101434
Aug 14 at 8:51




It should be possible to solve for beta.
– user101434
Aug 14 at 8:51












@user101434. Solving which equation ? $beta$ is given, no ?
– Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 8:58





@user101434. Solving which equation ? $beta$ is given, no ?
– Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 8:58













Oh! My mistake, I meant to say "theta". Would this be a derivative? I know nothing of derivatives, and perhaps that is why I am having so much trouble.
– user101434
Aug 14 at 9:22




Oh! My mistake, I meant to say "theta". Would this be a derivative? I know nothing of derivatives, and perhaps that is why I am having so much trouble.
– user101434
Aug 14 at 9:22












@user101434. OK ! Sincerely, I think that only numerical methods could work. No hope to get an explicit equation such as $theta=f(t,beta)$. Newton method would work perfect; you could make it using Excel.
– Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 9:50




@user101434. OK ! Sincerely, I think that only numerical methods could work. No hope to get an explicit equation such as $theta=f(t,beta)$. Newton method would work perfect; you could make it using Excel.
– Claude Leibovici
Aug 14 at 9:50












You're wrong. I'm absolutely positive it's not an impossible task. When my reputation gets to 10 (it's at 9 now) I can post pictures, and perhaps that will help you understand the problem.
– user101434
Aug 14 at 10:17





You're wrong. I'm absolutely positive it's not an impossible task. When my reputation gets to 10 (it's at 9 now) I can post pictures, and perhaps that will help you understand the problem.
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Aug 14 at 10:17













 

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