When is a symmetric matrix invertible?

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My professor always writes on the board:



$A$ is $m times n$, assuming that the vectors of $A$ form a basis, then $A^TA$ is always invertible.



one thing I know is that $A^TA$ is always symmetric, but I'm not sure about the conditions on a symmetric matrix needed to ensure that it is invertible?







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    What do you nean by "the vectors for $A$"?
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  • Sorry, should be "vectors of A" - it's my english.
    – nundo
    Jul 9 '17 at 17:49






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    There is a long list of conditions that are equivalent to the condition that a matrix is invertible, all of which are equally valid for symmetric matrices. Are you instead asking for conditions on a matrix $A$ to ensure that $A^TA$ is invertible?
    – JMoravitz
    Jul 9 '17 at 17:55






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    The words you need are "row" and "column." With $m$ rows and $n$ columns, we find $A^T A$ is a square of size $n.$ When $m geq n$ and the $n$ columns of $A$ are independent, then $A^T A$ is also of rank $n,$ therefore invertible.
    – Will Jagy
    Jul 9 '17 at 17:56










  • @JMoravitz yes, sorry perhaps mis-asked the question, thank you.
    – nundo
    Jul 10 '17 at 5:27














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My professor always writes on the board:



$A$ is $m times n$, assuming that the vectors of $A$ form a basis, then $A^TA$ is always invertible.



one thing I know is that $A^TA$ is always symmetric, but I'm not sure about the conditions on a symmetric matrix needed to ensure that it is invertible?







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    What do you nean by "the vectors for $A$"?
    – Robert Lewis
    Jul 9 '17 at 17:38











  • Sorry, should be "vectors of A" - it's my english.
    – nundo
    Jul 9 '17 at 17:49






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    There is a long list of conditions that are equivalent to the condition that a matrix is invertible, all of which are equally valid for symmetric matrices. Are you instead asking for conditions on a matrix $A$ to ensure that $A^TA$ is invertible?
    – JMoravitz
    Jul 9 '17 at 17:55






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    The words you need are "row" and "column." With $m$ rows and $n$ columns, we find $A^T A$ is a square of size $n.$ When $m geq n$ and the $n$ columns of $A$ are independent, then $A^T A$ is also of rank $n,$ therefore invertible.
    – Will Jagy
    Jul 9 '17 at 17:56










  • @JMoravitz yes, sorry perhaps mis-asked the question, thank you.
    – nundo
    Jul 10 '17 at 5:27












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My professor always writes on the board:



$A$ is $m times n$, assuming that the vectors of $A$ form a basis, then $A^TA$ is always invertible.



one thing I know is that $A^TA$ is always symmetric, but I'm not sure about the conditions on a symmetric matrix needed to ensure that it is invertible?







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My professor always writes on the board:



$A$ is $m times n$, assuming that the vectors of $A$ form a basis, then $A^TA$ is always invertible.



one thing I know is that $A^TA$ is always symmetric, but I'm not sure about the conditions on a symmetric matrix needed to ensure that it is invertible?









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    What do you nean by "the vectors for $A$"?
    – Robert Lewis
    Jul 9 '17 at 17:38











  • Sorry, should be "vectors of A" - it's my english.
    – nundo
    Jul 9 '17 at 17:49






  • 1




    There is a long list of conditions that are equivalent to the condition that a matrix is invertible, all of which are equally valid for symmetric matrices. Are you instead asking for conditions on a matrix $A$ to ensure that $A^TA$ is invertible?
    – JMoravitz
    Jul 9 '17 at 17:55






  • 1




    The words you need are "row" and "column." With $m$ rows and $n$ columns, we find $A^T A$ is a square of size $n.$ When $m geq n$ and the $n$ columns of $A$ are independent, then $A^T A$ is also of rank $n,$ therefore invertible.
    – Will Jagy
    Jul 9 '17 at 17:56










  • @JMoravitz yes, sorry perhaps mis-asked the question, thank you.
    – nundo
    Jul 10 '17 at 5:27












  • 3




    What do you nean by "the vectors for $A$"?
    – Robert Lewis
    Jul 9 '17 at 17:38











  • Sorry, should be "vectors of A" - it's my english.
    – nundo
    Jul 9 '17 at 17:49






  • 1




    There is a long list of conditions that are equivalent to the condition that a matrix is invertible, all of which are equally valid for symmetric matrices. Are you instead asking for conditions on a matrix $A$ to ensure that $A^TA$ is invertible?
    – JMoravitz
    Jul 9 '17 at 17:55






  • 1




    The words you need are "row" and "column." With $m$ rows and $n$ columns, we find $A^T A$ is a square of size $n.$ When $m geq n$ and the $n$ columns of $A$ are independent, then $A^T A$ is also of rank $n,$ therefore invertible.
    – Will Jagy
    Jul 9 '17 at 17:56










  • @JMoravitz yes, sorry perhaps mis-asked the question, thank you.
    – nundo
    Jul 10 '17 at 5:27







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What do you nean by "the vectors for $A$"?
– Robert Lewis
Jul 9 '17 at 17:38





What do you nean by "the vectors for $A$"?
– Robert Lewis
Jul 9 '17 at 17:38













Sorry, should be "vectors of A" - it's my english.
– nundo
Jul 9 '17 at 17:49




Sorry, should be "vectors of A" - it's my english.
– nundo
Jul 9 '17 at 17:49




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There is a long list of conditions that are equivalent to the condition that a matrix is invertible, all of which are equally valid for symmetric matrices. Are you instead asking for conditions on a matrix $A$ to ensure that $A^TA$ is invertible?
– JMoravitz
Jul 9 '17 at 17:55




There is a long list of conditions that are equivalent to the condition that a matrix is invertible, all of which are equally valid for symmetric matrices. Are you instead asking for conditions on a matrix $A$ to ensure that $A^TA$ is invertible?
– JMoravitz
Jul 9 '17 at 17:55




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The words you need are "row" and "column." With $m$ rows and $n$ columns, we find $A^T A$ is a square of size $n.$ When $m geq n$ and the $n$ columns of $A$ are independent, then $A^T A$ is also of rank $n,$ therefore invertible.
– Will Jagy
Jul 9 '17 at 17:56




The words you need are "row" and "column." With $m$ rows and $n$ columns, we find $A^T A$ is a square of size $n.$ When $m geq n$ and the $n$ columns of $A$ are independent, then $A^T A$ is also of rank $n,$ therefore invertible.
– Will Jagy
Jul 9 '17 at 17:56












@JMoravitz yes, sorry perhaps mis-asked the question, thank you.
– nundo
Jul 10 '17 at 5:27




@JMoravitz yes, sorry perhaps mis-asked the question, thank you.
– nundo
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@RobertLewis



A Gram matrix is usually defined by giving a set of vectors and then defining the i,j entry as the dot product of the i,j vectors. In doing so, clearly the set of vectors can be thought of as column vectors of A. So saying "the vectors for A" is a completely natural thing to say, and should be unambiguous.



here is an elegant proof
Gram matrix invertible iff set of vectors linearly independent






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  • you seem to be saying that the ONLY condition needed on $A$ for $A^TA$ to be invertible is if the column vectors of $A$ are linearly independent. Please look at the example I gave to YvesDaoust: if A is composed of those two vectors I just mentioned $([0,1,0,0], [1,0,0,1])$ , then $A^TA$ is symmetric but not invertible. So, I think that your claim is not entirely true.
    – nundo
    Jul 17 '17 at 0:41










  • In your "counterexample", $A^TA = diag(1, 2)$ is most certainly invertible....
    – Randy
    Dec 19 '17 at 21:04










  • @Randy I think nundo probably meant to put a transpose on those two vectors, so that A is a 4x2 matrix, not 2x4.
    – Confounded
    May 10 at 17:49

















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A sufficient condition for a symmetric $ntimes n$ matrix $C$ to be invertible is that the matrix is positive definite, i.e.
$$forall xinmathbbR^nbackslash0, x^TCx>0.$$



We can use this observation to prove that $A^TA$ is invertible, because from the fact that the $n$ columns of $A$ are linear independent, we can prove that $A^T A$ is not only symmetric but also positive definite.



In fact, using Gram-Schmidt orthonormalization process, we can build a $ntimes n$ invertible matrix $Q$ such that the columns of $AQ$ are a family of $n$ orthonormal vectors, and then:
$$I_n=(AQ)^T (AQ)$$
where $I_n$ is the identity matrix of dimension $n$.



Get $xinmathbbR^nbackslash0$.



Then, from $Q^-1xneq 0$ it follows that $|Q^-1x|^2>0$ and so:
$$x^T(A^TA)x=x^T(AI_n)^T(AI_n)x=x^T(AQQ^-1)^T(AQQ^-1)x \ = x^T(Q^-1)^T(AQ)^T(AQ)(Q^-1x) = (Q^-1x)^Tleft((AQ)^T(AQ)right)(Q^-1x) \ = (Q^-1x)^TI_n(Q^-1x) = (Q^-1x)^T(Q^-1x) = |Q^-1x|^2>0.$$
Being $x$ arbitrary, it follows that:
$$forall xinmathbbR^nbackslash0, x^T(A^TA)x>0,$$
i.e. $A^TA$ is positive definite, and then invertible.






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  • Why do you need to use Gram-Schmidt? You can argue directly that $x^T A^T Ax = (Ax)^T (Ax) = |Ax|^2$, and the RHS is strictly positive for all nonzero $x$ provided that $A$ has trivial null space (or equivalently, that $A$ has full column rank).
    – Bungo
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A Gram matrix is usually defined by giving a set of vectors and then defining the i,j entry as the dot product of the i,j vectors. In doing so, clearly the set of vectors can be thought of as column vectors of A. So saying "the vectors for A" is a completely natural thing to say, and should be unambiguous.



here is an elegant proof
Gram matrix invertible iff set of vectors linearly independent






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  • you seem to be saying that the ONLY condition needed on $A$ for $A^TA$ to be invertible is if the column vectors of $A$ are linearly independent. Please look at the example I gave to YvesDaoust: if A is composed of those two vectors I just mentioned $([0,1,0,0], [1,0,0,1])$ , then $A^TA$ is symmetric but not invertible. So, I think that your claim is not entirely true.
    – nundo
    Jul 17 '17 at 0:41










  • In your "counterexample", $A^TA = diag(1, 2)$ is most certainly invertible....
    – Randy
    Dec 19 '17 at 21:04










  • @Randy I think nundo probably meant to put a transpose on those two vectors, so that A is a 4x2 matrix, not 2x4.
    – Confounded
    May 10 at 17:49














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@RobertLewis



A Gram matrix is usually defined by giving a set of vectors and then defining the i,j entry as the dot product of the i,j vectors. In doing so, clearly the set of vectors can be thought of as column vectors of A. So saying "the vectors for A" is a completely natural thing to say, and should be unambiguous.



here is an elegant proof
Gram matrix invertible iff set of vectors linearly independent






share|cite|improve this answer






















  • you seem to be saying that the ONLY condition needed on $A$ for $A^TA$ to be invertible is if the column vectors of $A$ are linearly independent. Please look at the example I gave to YvesDaoust: if A is composed of those two vectors I just mentioned $([0,1,0,0], [1,0,0,1])$ , then $A^TA$ is symmetric but not invertible. So, I think that your claim is not entirely true.
    – nundo
    Jul 17 '17 at 0:41










  • In your "counterexample", $A^TA = diag(1, 2)$ is most certainly invertible....
    – Randy
    Dec 19 '17 at 21:04










  • @Randy I think nundo probably meant to put a transpose on those two vectors, so that A is a 4x2 matrix, not 2x4.
    – Confounded
    May 10 at 17:49












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@RobertLewis



A Gram matrix is usually defined by giving a set of vectors and then defining the i,j entry as the dot product of the i,j vectors. In doing so, clearly the set of vectors can be thought of as column vectors of A. So saying "the vectors for A" is a completely natural thing to say, and should be unambiguous.



here is an elegant proof
Gram matrix invertible iff set of vectors linearly independent






share|cite|improve this answer














@RobertLewis



A Gram matrix is usually defined by giving a set of vectors and then defining the i,j entry as the dot product of the i,j vectors. In doing so, clearly the set of vectors can be thought of as column vectors of A. So saying "the vectors for A" is a completely natural thing to say, and should be unambiguous.



here is an elegant proof
Gram matrix invertible iff set of vectors linearly independent







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  • you seem to be saying that the ONLY condition needed on $A$ for $A^TA$ to be invertible is if the column vectors of $A$ are linearly independent. Please look at the example I gave to YvesDaoust: if A is composed of those two vectors I just mentioned $([0,1,0,0], [1,0,0,1])$ , then $A^TA$ is symmetric but not invertible. So, I think that your claim is not entirely true.
    – nundo
    Jul 17 '17 at 0:41










  • In your "counterexample", $A^TA = diag(1, 2)$ is most certainly invertible....
    – Randy
    Dec 19 '17 at 21:04










  • @Randy I think nundo probably meant to put a transpose on those two vectors, so that A is a 4x2 matrix, not 2x4.
    – Confounded
    May 10 at 17:49
















  • you seem to be saying that the ONLY condition needed on $A$ for $A^TA$ to be invertible is if the column vectors of $A$ are linearly independent. Please look at the example I gave to YvesDaoust: if A is composed of those two vectors I just mentioned $([0,1,0,0], [1,0,0,1])$ , then $A^TA$ is symmetric but not invertible. So, I think that your claim is not entirely true.
    – nundo
    Jul 17 '17 at 0:41










  • In your "counterexample", $A^TA = diag(1, 2)$ is most certainly invertible....
    – Randy
    Dec 19 '17 at 21:04










  • @Randy I think nundo probably meant to put a transpose on those two vectors, so that A is a 4x2 matrix, not 2x4.
    – Confounded
    May 10 at 17:49















you seem to be saying that the ONLY condition needed on $A$ for $A^TA$ to be invertible is if the column vectors of $A$ are linearly independent. Please look at the example I gave to YvesDaoust: if A is composed of those two vectors I just mentioned $([0,1,0,0], [1,0,0,1])$ , then $A^TA$ is symmetric but not invertible. So, I think that your claim is not entirely true.
– nundo
Jul 17 '17 at 0:41




you seem to be saying that the ONLY condition needed on $A$ for $A^TA$ to be invertible is if the column vectors of $A$ are linearly independent. Please look at the example I gave to YvesDaoust: if A is composed of those two vectors I just mentioned $([0,1,0,0], [1,0,0,1])$ , then $A^TA$ is symmetric but not invertible. So, I think that your claim is not entirely true.
– nundo
Jul 17 '17 at 0:41












In your "counterexample", $A^TA = diag(1, 2)$ is most certainly invertible....
– Randy
Dec 19 '17 at 21:04




In your "counterexample", $A^TA = diag(1, 2)$ is most certainly invertible....
– Randy
Dec 19 '17 at 21:04












@Randy I think nundo probably meant to put a transpose on those two vectors, so that A is a 4x2 matrix, not 2x4.
– Confounded
May 10 at 17:49




@Randy I think nundo probably meant to put a transpose on those two vectors, so that A is a 4x2 matrix, not 2x4.
– Confounded
May 10 at 17:49










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A sufficient condition for a symmetric $ntimes n$ matrix $C$ to be invertible is that the matrix is positive definite, i.e.
$$forall xinmathbbR^nbackslash0, x^TCx>0.$$



We can use this observation to prove that $A^TA$ is invertible, because from the fact that the $n$ columns of $A$ are linear independent, we can prove that $A^T A$ is not only symmetric but also positive definite.



In fact, using Gram-Schmidt orthonormalization process, we can build a $ntimes n$ invertible matrix $Q$ such that the columns of $AQ$ are a family of $n$ orthonormal vectors, and then:
$$I_n=(AQ)^T (AQ)$$
where $I_n$ is the identity matrix of dimension $n$.



Get $xinmathbbR^nbackslash0$.



Then, from $Q^-1xneq 0$ it follows that $|Q^-1x|^2>0$ and so:
$$x^T(A^TA)x=x^T(AI_n)^T(AI_n)x=x^T(AQQ^-1)^T(AQQ^-1)x \ = x^T(Q^-1)^T(AQ)^T(AQ)(Q^-1x) = (Q^-1x)^Tleft((AQ)^T(AQ)right)(Q^-1x) \ = (Q^-1x)^TI_n(Q^-1x) = (Q^-1x)^T(Q^-1x) = |Q^-1x|^2>0.$$
Being $x$ arbitrary, it follows that:
$$forall xinmathbbR^nbackslash0, x^T(A^TA)x>0,$$
i.e. $A^TA$ is positive definite, and then invertible.






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  • Why do you need to use Gram-Schmidt? You can argue directly that $x^T A^T Ax = (Ax)^T (Ax) = |Ax|^2$, and the RHS is strictly positive for all nonzero $x$ provided that $A$ has trivial null space (or equivalently, that $A$ has full column rank).
    – Bungo
    Aug 27 at 16:04














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A sufficient condition for a symmetric $ntimes n$ matrix $C$ to be invertible is that the matrix is positive definite, i.e.
$$forall xinmathbbR^nbackslash0, x^TCx>0.$$



We can use this observation to prove that $A^TA$ is invertible, because from the fact that the $n$ columns of $A$ are linear independent, we can prove that $A^T A$ is not only symmetric but also positive definite.



In fact, using Gram-Schmidt orthonormalization process, we can build a $ntimes n$ invertible matrix $Q$ such that the columns of $AQ$ are a family of $n$ orthonormal vectors, and then:
$$I_n=(AQ)^T (AQ)$$
where $I_n$ is the identity matrix of dimension $n$.



Get $xinmathbbR^nbackslash0$.



Then, from $Q^-1xneq 0$ it follows that $|Q^-1x|^2>0$ and so:
$$x^T(A^TA)x=x^T(AI_n)^T(AI_n)x=x^T(AQQ^-1)^T(AQQ^-1)x \ = x^T(Q^-1)^T(AQ)^T(AQ)(Q^-1x) = (Q^-1x)^Tleft((AQ)^T(AQ)right)(Q^-1x) \ = (Q^-1x)^TI_n(Q^-1x) = (Q^-1x)^T(Q^-1x) = |Q^-1x|^2>0.$$
Being $x$ arbitrary, it follows that:
$$forall xinmathbbR^nbackslash0, x^T(A^TA)x>0,$$
i.e. $A^TA$ is positive definite, and then invertible.






share|cite|improve this answer




















  • Why do you need to use Gram-Schmidt? You can argue directly that $x^T A^T Ax = (Ax)^T (Ax) = |Ax|^2$, and the RHS is strictly positive for all nonzero $x$ provided that $A$ has trivial null space (or equivalently, that $A$ has full column rank).
    – Bungo
    Aug 27 at 16:04












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A sufficient condition for a symmetric $ntimes n$ matrix $C$ to be invertible is that the matrix is positive definite, i.e.
$$forall xinmathbbR^nbackslash0, x^TCx>0.$$



We can use this observation to prove that $A^TA$ is invertible, because from the fact that the $n$ columns of $A$ are linear independent, we can prove that $A^T A$ is not only symmetric but also positive definite.



In fact, using Gram-Schmidt orthonormalization process, we can build a $ntimes n$ invertible matrix $Q$ such that the columns of $AQ$ are a family of $n$ orthonormal vectors, and then:
$$I_n=(AQ)^T (AQ)$$
where $I_n$ is the identity matrix of dimension $n$.



Get $xinmathbbR^nbackslash0$.



Then, from $Q^-1xneq 0$ it follows that $|Q^-1x|^2>0$ and so:
$$x^T(A^TA)x=x^T(AI_n)^T(AI_n)x=x^T(AQQ^-1)^T(AQQ^-1)x \ = x^T(Q^-1)^T(AQ)^T(AQ)(Q^-1x) = (Q^-1x)^Tleft((AQ)^T(AQ)right)(Q^-1x) \ = (Q^-1x)^TI_n(Q^-1x) = (Q^-1x)^T(Q^-1x) = |Q^-1x|^2>0.$$
Being $x$ arbitrary, it follows that:
$$forall xinmathbbR^nbackslash0, x^T(A^TA)x>0,$$
i.e. $A^TA$ is positive definite, and then invertible.






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A sufficient condition for a symmetric $ntimes n$ matrix $C$ to be invertible is that the matrix is positive definite, i.e.
$$forall xinmathbbR^nbackslash0, x^TCx>0.$$



We can use this observation to prove that $A^TA$ is invertible, because from the fact that the $n$ columns of $A$ are linear independent, we can prove that $A^T A$ is not only symmetric but also positive definite.



In fact, using Gram-Schmidt orthonormalization process, we can build a $ntimes n$ invertible matrix $Q$ such that the columns of $AQ$ are a family of $n$ orthonormal vectors, and then:
$$I_n=(AQ)^T (AQ)$$
where $I_n$ is the identity matrix of dimension $n$.



Get $xinmathbbR^nbackslash0$.



Then, from $Q^-1xneq 0$ it follows that $|Q^-1x|^2>0$ and so:
$$x^T(A^TA)x=x^T(AI_n)^T(AI_n)x=x^T(AQQ^-1)^T(AQQ^-1)x \ = x^T(Q^-1)^T(AQ)^T(AQ)(Q^-1x) = (Q^-1x)^Tleft((AQ)^T(AQ)right)(Q^-1x) \ = (Q^-1x)^TI_n(Q^-1x) = (Q^-1x)^T(Q^-1x) = |Q^-1x|^2>0.$$
Being $x$ arbitrary, it follows that:
$$forall xinmathbbR^nbackslash0, x^T(A^TA)x>0,$$
i.e. $A^TA$ is positive definite, and then invertible.







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  • Why do you need to use Gram-Schmidt? You can argue directly that $x^T A^T Ax = (Ax)^T (Ax) = |Ax|^2$, and the RHS is strictly positive for all nonzero $x$ provided that $A$ has trivial null space (or equivalently, that $A$ has full column rank).
    – Bungo
    Aug 27 at 16:04
















  • Why do you need to use Gram-Schmidt? You can argue directly that $x^T A^T Ax = (Ax)^T (Ax) = |Ax|^2$, and the RHS is strictly positive for all nonzero $x$ provided that $A$ has trivial null space (or equivalently, that $A$ has full column rank).
    – Bungo
    Aug 27 at 16:04















Why do you need to use Gram-Schmidt? You can argue directly that $x^T A^T Ax = (Ax)^T (Ax) = |Ax|^2$, and the RHS is strictly positive for all nonzero $x$ provided that $A$ has trivial null space (or equivalently, that $A$ has full column rank).
– Bungo
Aug 27 at 16:04




Why do you need to use Gram-Schmidt? You can argue directly that $x^T A^T Ax = (Ax)^T (Ax) = |Ax|^2$, and the RHS is strictly positive for all nonzero $x$ provided that $A$ has trivial null space (or equivalently, that $A$ has full column rank).
– Bungo
Aug 27 at 16:04

















 

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