Linear ordering $leq$ on $mathbbZ$ in ZFC

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Given a set of natural numbers $mathbbN$ in ZFC, we define $mathbbZ$ by first defining an equivalence relation $simeq$ on $mathbbNtimesmathbbN$: $(n,m) simeq (n',m') Longleftrightarrow n + m' = n' + m$. Then we consider the set $(mathbbNtimesmathbbN)/simeq$ of equivalence classes of $mathbbNtimesmathbbN$ with respect to $simeq$ as the set of integers $mathbbZ$.



However, we then need to define a linear ordering $leq$ on our newfound $mathbbZ$. The idea is to set $[(n,m)] leq [(n',m')]$ whenever $n + m' leq n' + m$. I'm having a trouble in showing that this definition doesn't depend on the choie of $(n,m) leq (n',m')$. That is, that for any natural numbers $n_1,m_1,n_2,m_2,n_3,m_3,n_4,m_4$ if we have
$$n_1 + m_3 leq n_3 + m_1,$$
$$n_1 + m_2 = n_2 + m_1,$$
$$n_3 + m_4 = n_4 + m_3,$$
then we have
$$n_2 + m_4 leq n_4 + m_2.$$
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    Given a set of natural numbers $mathbbN$ in ZFC, we define $mathbbZ$ by first defining an equivalence relation $simeq$ on $mathbbNtimesmathbbN$: $(n,m) simeq (n',m') Longleftrightarrow n + m' = n' + m$. Then we consider the set $(mathbbNtimesmathbbN)/simeq$ of equivalence classes of $mathbbNtimesmathbbN$ with respect to $simeq$ as the set of integers $mathbbZ$.



    However, we then need to define a linear ordering $leq$ on our newfound $mathbbZ$. The idea is to set $[(n,m)] leq [(n',m')]$ whenever $n + m' leq n' + m$. I'm having a trouble in showing that this definition doesn't depend on the choie of $(n,m) leq (n',m')$. That is, that for any natural numbers $n_1,m_1,n_2,m_2,n_3,m_3,n_4,m_4$ if we have
    $$n_1 + m_3 leq n_3 + m_1,$$
    $$n_1 + m_2 = n_2 + m_1,$$
    $$n_3 + m_4 = n_4 + m_3,$$
    then we have
    $$n_2 + m_4 leq n_4 + m_2.$$
    Any help would be appreciated.







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      Given a set of natural numbers $mathbbN$ in ZFC, we define $mathbbZ$ by first defining an equivalence relation $simeq$ on $mathbbNtimesmathbbN$: $(n,m) simeq (n',m') Longleftrightarrow n + m' = n' + m$. Then we consider the set $(mathbbNtimesmathbbN)/simeq$ of equivalence classes of $mathbbNtimesmathbbN$ with respect to $simeq$ as the set of integers $mathbbZ$.



      However, we then need to define a linear ordering $leq$ on our newfound $mathbbZ$. The idea is to set $[(n,m)] leq [(n',m')]$ whenever $n + m' leq n' + m$. I'm having a trouble in showing that this definition doesn't depend on the choie of $(n,m) leq (n',m')$. That is, that for any natural numbers $n_1,m_1,n_2,m_2,n_3,m_3,n_4,m_4$ if we have
      $$n_1 + m_3 leq n_3 + m_1,$$
      $$n_1 + m_2 = n_2 + m_1,$$
      $$n_3 + m_4 = n_4 + m_3,$$
      then we have
      $$n_2 + m_4 leq n_4 + m_2.$$
      Any help would be appreciated.







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      Given a set of natural numbers $mathbbN$ in ZFC, we define $mathbbZ$ by first defining an equivalence relation $simeq$ on $mathbbNtimesmathbbN$: $(n,m) simeq (n',m') Longleftrightarrow n + m' = n' + m$. Then we consider the set $(mathbbNtimesmathbbN)/simeq$ of equivalence classes of $mathbbNtimesmathbbN$ with respect to $simeq$ as the set of integers $mathbbZ$.



      However, we then need to define a linear ordering $leq$ on our newfound $mathbbZ$. The idea is to set $[(n,m)] leq [(n',m')]$ whenever $n + m' leq n' + m$. I'm having a trouble in showing that this definition doesn't depend on the choie of $(n,m) leq (n',m')$. That is, that for any natural numbers $n_1,m_1,n_2,m_2,n_3,m_3,n_4,m_4$ if we have
      $$n_1 + m_3 leq n_3 + m_1,$$
      $$n_1 + m_2 = n_2 + m_1,$$
      $$n_3 + m_4 = n_4 + m_3,$$
      then we have
      $$n_2 + m_4 leq n_4 + m_2.$$
      Any help would be appreciated.









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          Well we can go and do a straightforward verification using the definition of the equivalence relation.



          Suppose $(n,m)simeq(n',m')$ and $(i,j)simeq(i',j')$, and suppose that $[(i,j)]leq[(n,m)]$. Namely, $i+mleq n+j$. We want to prove that $i'+m'leq n'+j'$.



          What do we know? We know that $i+j'=i'+j$ and $n+m'=n'+m$.



          $$beginalign*
          i+m&leq n+j\
          i+m+n'+j'&leq n+j+n'+j'\
          i+j'+m+n'&leq n+n'+j+j'\
          i'+j+m'+n&leq n+n'+j+j'\
          i'+m'+j+n&leq n'+j'+j+ n\
          i'+m'&leq n'+j'
          endalign*$$
          Which is what we wanted.






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          • I put a few extra steps where commutativity is used, just to make sure it's all clear.
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          My preferred way is to show that every integer has a unique representative that is either $[(0, m)]$ or $[(m, 0)]$. Once you've done that, then the order's uniqueness follows immediately.






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            $$n_1 + m_3 leq n_3 + m_1 implies m_3-n_3le m_1 - n_1 $$



            $$n_1 + m_2 = n_2 + m_1implies m_1 - n_1=m_2 - n_2 $$



            $$n_3 + m_4 = n_4 + m_3 implies m_4-n_4=m_3-n_3 $$



            Thus $$ m_4-n_4=m_3-n_3le m_1 - n_1=m_2 - n_2$$
            Which implies



            $$n_2 + m_4 leq n_4 + m_2$$.






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              Well we can go and do a straightforward verification using the definition of the equivalence relation.



              Suppose $(n,m)simeq(n',m')$ and $(i,j)simeq(i',j')$, and suppose that $[(i,j)]leq[(n,m)]$. Namely, $i+mleq n+j$. We want to prove that $i'+m'leq n'+j'$.



              What do we know? We know that $i+j'=i'+j$ and $n+m'=n'+m$.



              $$beginalign*
              i+m&leq n+j\
              i+m+n'+j'&leq n+j+n'+j'\
              i+j'+m+n'&leq n+n'+j+j'\
              i'+j+m'+n&leq n+n'+j+j'\
              i'+m'+j+n&leq n'+j'+j+ n\
              i'+m'&leq n'+j'
              endalign*$$
              Which is what we wanted.






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              • I put a few extra steps where commutativity is used, just to make sure it's all clear.
                – Asaf Karagila♦
                Aug 27 at 15:49














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              Well we can go and do a straightforward verification using the definition of the equivalence relation.



              Suppose $(n,m)simeq(n',m')$ and $(i,j)simeq(i',j')$, and suppose that $[(i,j)]leq[(n,m)]$. Namely, $i+mleq n+j$. We want to prove that $i'+m'leq n'+j'$.



              What do we know? We know that $i+j'=i'+j$ and $n+m'=n'+m$.



              $$beginalign*
              i+m&leq n+j\
              i+m+n'+j'&leq n+j+n'+j'\
              i+j'+m+n'&leq n+n'+j+j'\
              i'+j+m'+n&leq n+n'+j+j'\
              i'+m'+j+n&leq n'+j'+j+ n\
              i'+m'&leq n'+j'
              endalign*$$
              Which is what we wanted.






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              • I put a few extra steps where commutativity is used, just to make sure it's all clear.
                – Asaf Karagila♦
                Aug 27 at 15:49












              up vote
              3
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              up vote
              3
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              accepted






              Well we can go and do a straightforward verification using the definition of the equivalence relation.



              Suppose $(n,m)simeq(n',m')$ and $(i,j)simeq(i',j')$, and suppose that $[(i,j)]leq[(n,m)]$. Namely, $i+mleq n+j$. We want to prove that $i'+m'leq n'+j'$.



              What do we know? We know that $i+j'=i'+j$ and $n+m'=n'+m$.



              $$beginalign*
              i+m&leq n+j\
              i+m+n'+j'&leq n+j+n'+j'\
              i+j'+m+n'&leq n+n'+j+j'\
              i'+j+m'+n&leq n+n'+j+j'\
              i'+m'+j+n&leq n'+j'+j+ n\
              i'+m'&leq n'+j'
              endalign*$$
              Which is what we wanted.






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              Well we can go and do a straightforward verification using the definition of the equivalence relation.



              Suppose $(n,m)simeq(n',m')$ and $(i,j)simeq(i',j')$, and suppose that $[(i,j)]leq[(n,m)]$. Namely, $i+mleq n+j$. We want to prove that $i'+m'leq n'+j'$.



              What do we know? We know that $i+j'=i'+j$ and $n+m'=n'+m$.



              $$beginalign*
              i+m&leq n+j\
              i+m+n'+j'&leq n+j+n'+j'\
              i+j'+m+n'&leq n+n'+j+j'\
              i'+j+m'+n&leq n+n'+j+j'\
              i'+m'+j+n&leq n'+j'+j+ n\
              i'+m'&leq n'+j'
              endalign*$$
              Which is what we wanted.







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              answered Aug 27 at 15:48









              Asaf Karagila♦

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              • I put a few extra steps where commutativity is used, just to make sure it's all clear.
                – Asaf Karagila♦
                Aug 27 at 15:49
















              • I put a few extra steps where commutativity is used, just to make sure it's all clear.
                – Asaf Karagila♦
                Aug 27 at 15:49















              I put a few extra steps where commutativity is used, just to make sure it's all clear.
              – Asaf Karagila♦
              Aug 27 at 15:49




              I put a few extra steps where commutativity is used, just to make sure it's all clear.
              – Asaf Karagila♦
              Aug 27 at 15:49










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              My preferred way is to show that every integer has a unique representative that is either $[(0, m)]$ or $[(m, 0)]$. Once you've done that, then the order's uniqueness follows immediately.






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                up vote
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                My preferred way is to show that every integer has a unique representative that is either $[(0, m)]$ or $[(m, 0)]$. Once you've done that, then the order's uniqueness follows immediately.






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                  up vote
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                  My preferred way is to show that every integer has a unique representative that is either $[(0, m)]$ or $[(m, 0)]$. Once you've done that, then the order's uniqueness follows immediately.






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                  My preferred way is to show that every integer has a unique representative that is either $[(0, m)]$ or $[(m, 0)]$. Once you've done that, then the order's uniqueness follows immediately.







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                  answered Aug 27 at 15:41









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                      $$n_1 + m_3 leq n_3 + m_1 implies m_3-n_3le m_1 - n_1 $$



                      $$n_1 + m_2 = n_2 + m_1implies m_1 - n_1=m_2 - n_2 $$



                      $$n_3 + m_4 = n_4 + m_3 implies m_4-n_4=m_3-n_3 $$



                      Thus $$ m_4-n_4=m_3-n_3le m_1 - n_1=m_2 - n_2$$
                      Which implies



                      $$n_2 + m_4 leq n_4 + m_2$$.






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                        $$n_1 + m_3 leq n_3 + m_1 implies m_3-n_3le m_1 - n_1 $$



                        $$n_1 + m_2 = n_2 + m_1implies m_1 - n_1=m_2 - n_2 $$



                        $$n_3 + m_4 = n_4 + m_3 implies m_4-n_4=m_3-n_3 $$



                        Thus $$ m_4-n_4=m_3-n_3le m_1 - n_1=m_2 - n_2$$
                        Which implies



                        $$n_2 + m_4 leq n_4 + m_2$$.






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                          $$n_1 + m_3 leq n_3 + m_1 implies m_3-n_3le m_1 - n_1 $$



                          $$n_1 + m_2 = n_2 + m_1implies m_1 - n_1=m_2 - n_2 $$



                          $$n_3 + m_4 = n_4 + m_3 implies m_4-n_4=m_3-n_3 $$



                          Thus $$ m_4-n_4=m_3-n_3le m_1 - n_1=m_2 - n_2$$
                          Which implies



                          $$n_2 + m_4 leq n_4 + m_2$$.






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                          $$n_1 + m_3 leq n_3 + m_1 implies m_3-n_3le m_1 - n_1 $$



                          $$n_1 + m_2 = n_2 + m_1implies m_1 - n_1=m_2 - n_2 $$



                          $$n_3 + m_4 = n_4 + m_3 implies m_4-n_4=m_3-n_3 $$



                          Thus $$ m_4-n_4=m_3-n_3le m_1 - n_1=m_2 - n_2$$
                          Which implies



                          $$n_2 + m_4 leq n_4 + m_2$$.







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