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I'm starting to study this book and I've come across a problem that I haven't been able to solve. I need to prove that the next function is injective.



$g: Arightarrowmathbb Z_+$ where $A=(x,y)inmathbb Z_+timesmathbb Z_+ : y leq x$



$g(x,y)=1over 2x(x-1)+y$



It seems that it can't be solved in a direct way, like: $f(x_1)=f(x_2) Rightarrow x_1=x_2$. I was thinking about doing it in an inductive way. First, defining a set $B=zinmathbb Z_+ :exists!(x,y)in A text such z=g(x,y)$ and then apply induction over B, but it seems that it fails with n + 1



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I'm starting to study this book and I've come across a problem that I haven't been able to solve. I need to prove that the next function is injective.



$g: Arightarrowmathbb Z_+$ where $A=(x,y)inmathbb Z_+timesmathbb Z_+ : y leq x$



$g(x,y)=1over 2x(x-1)+y$



It seems that it can't be solved in a direct way, like: $f(x_1)=f(x_2) Rightarrow x_1=x_2$. I was thinking about doing it in an inductive way. First, defining a set $B=zinmathbb Z_+ :exists!(x,y)in A text such z=g(x,y)$ and then apply induction over B, but it seems that it fails with n + 1



I appreciate any help







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I'm starting to study this book and I've come across a problem that I haven't been able to solve. I need to prove that the next function is injective.



$g: Arightarrowmathbb Z_+$ where $A=(x,y)inmathbb Z_+timesmathbb Z_+ : y leq x$



$g(x,y)=1over 2x(x-1)+y$



It seems that it can't be solved in a direct way, like: $f(x_1)=f(x_2) Rightarrow x_1=x_2$. I was thinking about doing it in an inductive way. First, defining a set $B=zinmathbb Z_+ :exists!(x,y)in A text such z=g(x,y)$ and then apply induction over B, but it seems that it fails with n + 1



I appreciate any help







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I'm starting to study this book and I've come across a problem that I haven't been able to solve. I need to prove that the next function is injective.



$g: Arightarrowmathbb Z_+$ where $A=(x,y)inmathbb Z_+timesmathbb Z_+ : y leq x$



$g(x,y)=1over 2x(x-1)+y$



It seems that it can't be solved in a direct way, like: $f(x_1)=f(x_2) Rightarrow x_1=x_2$. I was thinking about doing it in an inductive way. First, defining a set $B=zinmathbb Z_+ :exists!(x,y)in A text such z=g(x,y)$ and then apply induction over B, but it seems that it fails with n + 1



I appreciate any help









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Any time you have a problem that says, "Show that X is Y", the process is:



  1. Look up the definition of Y in the textbook.

  2. Note the necessary conditions.

  3. Show that X satisfies the conditions.

I don't have that textbook at arm's reach, but I am guessing that it says something like:




A function $f colon A to B$ is injective if for all $a_1,a_2in A$, $f(a_1) = f(a_2) implies a_1 =a_2$.




(The “defined” word in a definition is always emphasized or put in bold face. That helps you find definitions for things.)



In your case, $g(x,y) = frac12x(x-1)+y$. So you need to show that for all $(x_1,y_1), (x_2,y_2)in A$, if $frac12x_1(x_1-1)+y_1 = frac12x_2(x_2-1)+y_2$, then $x_1=x_2$ and $y_1 = y_2$.



If you're interested in an induction proof, you might try to show these two things:



  1. $f(x+1,y) > f(x,y)$ for all $x in mathbbZ_+$.

  2. $f(x+1,y+1) > f(x,y)$ for all $x in mathbbZ_+$.





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Consider:



$x=1$:



$g(1,1)=1$;



$x=2:$



$g(2,1) =2, g(2,2)=3;$



$x=3:$



$g(3,1) =4, g(3,2)=5, g(3,3)=6$.



$x=4$:



$g(4,1)=7, g(4,2)=8,g(4,3)=9, g(4,4)=10$.
................
................



Grouping : in ascending order of $x$ and $y$:



$(1)(2,3)(4,5,6)$
$(7,8,9,10)(11,12,13,14,15).........$



Now backwards, we find $g^-1(z)$:



Pick any number $z$, say $z=13$,



1) subtract $1$ from $z$, i.e.



$z-1= 13-1=12$.



2) Now find the largest $x$ such that



$(1/2)x(x-1) le z -1 $,



in our example:



$(1/2)x(x-1) le (13-1) =12$



$x=5$ qualifies, since



$(1/2)5(5-1)=10$;



then $y=3$ (Recall: we picked $13$).



1) Note: $g$ is surjective (why?)



2) $g$ is injective , the formula determines uniquely the corresponding $x$ and $y$ for $z in mathbb Z^+$.






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    Any time you have a problem that says, "Show that X is Y", the process is:



    1. Look up the definition of Y in the textbook.

    2. Note the necessary conditions.

    3. Show that X satisfies the conditions.

    I don't have that textbook at arm's reach, but I am guessing that it says something like:




    A function $f colon A to B$ is injective if for all $a_1,a_2in A$, $f(a_1) = f(a_2) implies a_1 =a_2$.




    (The “defined” word in a definition is always emphasized or put in bold face. That helps you find definitions for things.)



    In your case, $g(x,y) = frac12x(x-1)+y$. So you need to show that for all $(x_1,y_1), (x_2,y_2)in A$, if $frac12x_1(x_1-1)+y_1 = frac12x_2(x_2-1)+y_2$, then $x_1=x_2$ and $y_1 = y_2$.



    If you're interested in an induction proof, you might try to show these two things:



    1. $f(x+1,y) > f(x,y)$ for all $x in mathbbZ_+$.

    2. $f(x+1,y+1) > f(x,y)$ for all $x in mathbbZ_+$.





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    • Yes, I know that. I added more content to my question. I hope this helps.
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    Any time you have a problem that says, "Show that X is Y", the process is:



    1. Look up the definition of Y in the textbook.

    2. Note the necessary conditions.

    3. Show that X satisfies the conditions.

    I don't have that textbook at arm's reach, but I am guessing that it says something like:




    A function $f colon A to B$ is injective if for all $a_1,a_2in A$, $f(a_1) = f(a_2) implies a_1 =a_2$.




    (The “defined” word in a definition is always emphasized or put in bold face. That helps you find definitions for things.)



    In your case, $g(x,y) = frac12x(x-1)+y$. So you need to show that for all $(x_1,y_1), (x_2,y_2)in A$, if $frac12x_1(x_1-1)+y_1 = frac12x_2(x_2-1)+y_2$, then $x_1=x_2$ and $y_1 = y_2$.



    If you're interested in an induction proof, you might try to show these two things:



    1. $f(x+1,y) > f(x,y)$ for all $x in mathbbZ_+$.

    2. $f(x+1,y+1) > f(x,y)$ for all $x in mathbbZ_+$.





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    • Yes, I know that. I added more content to my question. I hope this helps.
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      Aug 27 at 16:58












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    Any time you have a problem that says, "Show that X is Y", the process is:



    1. Look up the definition of Y in the textbook.

    2. Note the necessary conditions.

    3. Show that X satisfies the conditions.

    I don't have that textbook at arm's reach, but I am guessing that it says something like:




    A function $f colon A to B$ is injective if for all $a_1,a_2in A$, $f(a_1) = f(a_2) implies a_1 =a_2$.




    (The “defined” word in a definition is always emphasized or put in bold face. That helps you find definitions for things.)



    In your case, $g(x,y) = frac12x(x-1)+y$. So you need to show that for all $(x_1,y_1), (x_2,y_2)in A$, if $frac12x_1(x_1-1)+y_1 = frac12x_2(x_2-1)+y_2$, then $x_1=x_2$ and $y_1 = y_2$.



    If you're interested in an induction proof, you might try to show these two things:



    1. $f(x+1,y) > f(x,y)$ for all $x in mathbbZ_+$.

    2. $f(x+1,y+1) > f(x,y)$ for all $x in mathbbZ_+$.





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    Any time you have a problem that says, "Show that X is Y", the process is:



    1. Look up the definition of Y in the textbook.

    2. Note the necessary conditions.

    3. Show that X satisfies the conditions.

    I don't have that textbook at arm's reach, but I am guessing that it says something like:




    A function $f colon A to B$ is injective if for all $a_1,a_2in A$, $f(a_1) = f(a_2) implies a_1 =a_2$.




    (The “defined” word in a definition is always emphasized or put in bold face. That helps you find definitions for things.)



    In your case, $g(x,y) = frac12x(x-1)+y$. So you need to show that for all $(x_1,y_1), (x_2,y_2)in A$, if $frac12x_1(x_1-1)+y_1 = frac12x_2(x_2-1)+y_2$, then $x_1=x_2$ and $y_1 = y_2$.



    If you're interested in an induction proof, you might try to show these two things:



    1. $f(x+1,y) > f(x,y)$ for all $x in mathbbZ_+$.

    2. $f(x+1,y+1) > f(x,y)$ for all $x in mathbbZ_+$.






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    Yes, I know that. I added more content to my question. I hope this helps.
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    Consider:



    $x=1$:



    $g(1,1)=1$;



    $x=2:$



    $g(2,1) =2, g(2,2)=3;$



    $x=3:$



    $g(3,1) =4, g(3,2)=5, g(3,3)=6$.



    $x=4$:



    $g(4,1)=7, g(4,2)=8,g(4,3)=9, g(4,4)=10$.
    ................
    ................



    Grouping : in ascending order of $x$ and $y$:



    $(1)(2,3)(4,5,6)$
    $(7,8,9,10)(11,12,13,14,15).........$



    Now backwards, we find $g^-1(z)$:



    Pick any number $z$, say $z=13$,



    1) subtract $1$ from $z$, i.e.



    $z-1= 13-1=12$.



    2) Now find the largest $x$ such that



    $(1/2)x(x-1) le z -1 $,



    in our example:



    $(1/2)x(x-1) le (13-1) =12$



    $x=5$ qualifies, since



    $(1/2)5(5-1)=10$;



    then $y=3$ (Recall: we picked $13$).



    1) Note: $g$ is surjective (why?)



    2) $g$ is injective , the formula determines uniquely the corresponding $x$ and $y$ for $z in mathbb Z^+$.






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      Consider:



      $x=1$:



      $g(1,1)=1$;



      $x=2:$



      $g(2,1) =2, g(2,2)=3;$



      $x=3:$



      $g(3,1) =4, g(3,2)=5, g(3,3)=6$.



      $x=4$:



      $g(4,1)=7, g(4,2)=8,g(4,3)=9, g(4,4)=10$.
      ................
      ................



      Grouping : in ascending order of $x$ and $y$:



      $(1)(2,3)(4,5,6)$
      $(7,8,9,10)(11,12,13,14,15).........$



      Now backwards, we find $g^-1(z)$:



      Pick any number $z$, say $z=13$,



      1) subtract $1$ from $z$, i.e.



      $z-1= 13-1=12$.



      2) Now find the largest $x$ such that



      $(1/2)x(x-1) le z -1 $,



      in our example:



      $(1/2)x(x-1) le (13-1) =12$



      $x=5$ qualifies, since



      $(1/2)5(5-1)=10$;



      then $y=3$ (Recall: we picked $13$).



      1) Note: $g$ is surjective (why?)



      2) $g$ is injective , the formula determines uniquely the corresponding $x$ and $y$ for $z in mathbb Z^+$.






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        Consider:



        $x=1$:



        $g(1,1)=1$;



        $x=2:$



        $g(2,1) =2, g(2,2)=3;$



        $x=3:$



        $g(3,1) =4, g(3,2)=5, g(3,3)=6$.



        $x=4$:



        $g(4,1)=7, g(4,2)=8,g(4,3)=9, g(4,4)=10$.
        ................
        ................



        Grouping : in ascending order of $x$ and $y$:



        $(1)(2,3)(4,5,6)$
        $(7,8,9,10)(11,12,13,14,15).........$



        Now backwards, we find $g^-1(z)$:



        Pick any number $z$, say $z=13$,



        1) subtract $1$ from $z$, i.e.



        $z-1= 13-1=12$.



        2) Now find the largest $x$ such that



        $(1/2)x(x-1) le z -1 $,



        in our example:



        $(1/2)x(x-1) le (13-1) =12$



        $x=5$ qualifies, since



        $(1/2)5(5-1)=10$;



        then $y=3$ (Recall: we picked $13$).



        1) Note: $g$ is surjective (why?)



        2) $g$ is injective , the formula determines uniquely the corresponding $x$ and $y$ for $z in mathbb Z^+$.






        share|cite|improve this answer














        Consider:



        $x=1$:



        $g(1,1)=1$;



        $x=2:$



        $g(2,1) =2, g(2,2)=3;$



        $x=3:$



        $g(3,1) =4, g(3,2)=5, g(3,3)=6$.



        $x=4$:



        $g(4,1)=7, g(4,2)=8,g(4,3)=9, g(4,4)=10$.
        ................
        ................



        Grouping : in ascending order of $x$ and $y$:



        $(1)(2,3)(4,5,6)$
        $(7,8,9,10)(11,12,13,14,15).........$



        Now backwards, we find $g^-1(z)$:



        Pick any number $z$, say $z=13$,



        1) subtract $1$ from $z$, i.e.



        $z-1= 13-1=12$.



        2) Now find the largest $x$ such that



        $(1/2)x(x-1) le z -1 $,



        in our example:



        $(1/2)x(x-1) le (13-1) =12$



        $x=5$ qualifies, since



        $(1/2)5(5-1)=10$;



        then $y=3$ (Recall: we picked $13$).



        1) Note: $g$ is surjective (why?)



        2) $g$ is injective , the formula determines uniquely the corresponding $x$ and $y$ for $z in mathbb Z^+$.







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