How to find lines of invariant points?
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Every time I try a question on this topic I get it wrong.
My textbook says:
Invariant points satisfy $Bbeginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix$
Re-write this as a system of equations.
Check whether both equations are in fact the same.
If so, they give a line of invariant points.
So I tried this question using that method (and the method needed for finding invariant lines):
For [this] matrix, find any lines of invariant points and any other invariant lines through the origin.
$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrix$
What I did was:
$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrixbeginpmatrixu\ muendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix=beginpmatrix3u-2mu\ 4u-3muendpmatrix$
These equations are not the same, so no lines of invariant points.
Then, to find invariant lines:
$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrixbeginpmatrixu\ muendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu'\ v'endpmatrix=beginpmatrix3u-2mu\ 4u-3muendpmatrix$
$4u-3mu=mleft(3u-2muright)$
$2m^2-6m+4:=0:Rightarrow :m:=1: $or$ :m=2$
So the invariant lines should be $y=2x$ or $y=x$. As far as I know this is sort of right, except $y=x$ is apparently also a line of invariant points. What did I do wrong?
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Every time I try a question on this topic I get it wrong.
My textbook says:
Invariant points satisfy $Bbeginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix$
Re-write this as a system of equations.
Check whether both equations are in fact the same.
If so, they give a line of invariant points.
So I tried this question using that method (and the method needed for finding invariant lines):
For [this] matrix, find any lines of invariant points and any other invariant lines through the origin.
$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrix$
What I did was:
$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrixbeginpmatrixu\ muendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix=beginpmatrix3u-2mu\ 4u-3muendpmatrix$
These equations are not the same, so no lines of invariant points.
Then, to find invariant lines:
$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrixbeginpmatrixu\ muendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu'\ v'endpmatrix=beginpmatrix3u-2mu\ 4u-3muendpmatrix$
$4u-3mu=mleft(3u-2muright)$
$2m^2-6m+4:=0:Rightarrow :m:=1: $or$ :m=2$
So the invariant lines should be $y=2x$ or $y=x$. As far as I know this is sort of right, except $y=x$ is apparently also a line of invariant points. What did I do wrong?
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If $m=1$ then $3u-2mu=4u-3mu$.
â dbx
Aug 27 at 16:54
Oh. So I can't rule out the equations despite the fact that they don't appear the same?
â Cheks Nweze
Aug 27 at 16:56
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right. Instead, you should set them equal to eachother and see what solutions you get. In this case, you have: $u(3-2m)=u(4-3m)$ which evidently has solutions if a) $u=0$ or b) $3-2m=4-3m$. You can discard the first, and from the second you can solve to get $m=1$.
â dbx
Aug 27 at 17:47
That was an accident, sorry. Will fix.
â Cheks Nweze
Aug 27 at 18:48
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âÂÂThe equations are the sameâ doesnâÂÂt mean that theyâÂÂre identical, but that theyâÂÂre equivalent.
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Every time I try a question on this topic I get it wrong.
My textbook says:
Invariant points satisfy $Bbeginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix$
Re-write this as a system of equations.
Check whether both equations are in fact the same.
If so, they give a line of invariant points.
So I tried this question using that method (and the method needed for finding invariant lines):
For [this] matrix, find any lines of invariant points and any other invariant lines through the origin.
$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrix$
What I did was:
$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrixbeginpmatrixu\ muendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix=beginpmatrix3u-2mu\ 4u-3muendpmatrix$
These equations are not the same, so no lines of invariant points.
Then, to find invariant lines:
$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrixbeginpmatrixu\ muendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu'\ v'endpmatrix=beginpmatrix3u-2mu\ 4u-3muendpmatrix$
$4u-3mu=mleft(3u-2muright)$
$2m^2-6m+4:=0:Rightarrow :m:=1: $or$ :m=2$
So the invariant lines should be $y=2x$ or $y=x$. As far as I know this is sort of right, except $y=x$ is apparently also a line of invariant points. What did I do wrong?
matrices geometry linear-transformations
Every time I try a question on this topic I get it wrong.
My textbook says:
Invariant points satisfy $Bbeginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix$
Re-write this as a system of equations.
Check whether both equations are in fact the same.
If so, they give a line of invariant points.
So I tried this question using that method (and the method needed for finding invariant lines):
For [this] matrix, find any lines of invariant points and any other invariant lines through the origin.
$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrix$
What I did was:
$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrixbeginpmatrixu\ muendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix=beginpmatrix3u-2mu\ 4u-3muendpmatrix$
These equations are not the same, so no lines of invariant points.
Then, to find invariant lines:
$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrixbeginpmatrixu\ muendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu'\ v'endpmatrix=beginpmatrix3u-2mu\ 4u-3muendpmatrix$
$4u-3mu=mleft(3u-2muright)$
$2m^2-6m+4:=0:Rightarrow :m:=1: $or$ :m=2$
So the invariant lines should be $y=2x$ or $y=x$. As far as I know this is sort of right, except $y=x$ is apparently also a line of invariant points. What did I do wrong?
matrices geometry linear-transformations
edited Aug 27 at 18:48
asked Aug 27 at 16:51
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If $m=1$ then $3u-2mu=4u-3mu$.
â dbx
Aug 27 at 16:54
Oh. So I can't rule out the equations despite the fact that they don't appear the same?
â Cheks Nweze
Aug 27 at 16:56
1
right. Instead, you should set them equal to eachother and see what solutions you get. In this case, you have: $u(3-2m)=u(4-3m)$ which evidently has solutions if a) $u=0$ or b) $3-2m=4-3m$. You can discard the first, and from the second you can solve to get $m=1$.
â dbx
Aug 27 at 17:47
That was an accident, sorry. Will fix.
â Cheks Nweze
Aug 27 at 18:48
1
âÂÂThe equations are the sameâ doesnâÂÂt mean that theyâÂÂre identical, but that theyâÂÂre equivalent.
â amd
Aug 27 at 18:50
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If $m=1$ then $3u-2mu=4u-3mu$.
â dbx
Aug 27 at 16:54
Oh. So I can't rule out the equations despite the fact that they don't appear the same?
â Cheks Nweze
Aug 27 at 16:56
1
right. Instead, you should set them equal to eachother and see what solutions you get. In this case, you have: $u(3-2m)=u(4-3m)$ which evidently has solutions if a) $u=0$ or b) $3-2m=4-3m$. You can discard the first, and from the second you can solve to get $m=1$.
â dbx
Aug 27 at 17:47
That was an accident, sorry. Will fix.
â Cheks Nweze
Aug 27 at 18:48
1
âÂÂThe equations are the sameâ doesnâÂÂt mean that theyâÂÂre identical, but that theyâÂÂre equivalent.
â amd
Aug 27 at 18:50
1
1
If $m=1$ then $3u-2mu=4u-3mu$.
â dbx
Aug 27 at 16:54
If $m=1$ then $3u-2mu=4u-3mu$.
â dbx
Aug 27 at 16:54
Oh. So I can't rule out the equations despite the fact that they don't appear the same?
â Cheks Nweze
Aug 27 at 16:56
Oh. So I can't rule out the equations despite the fact that they don't appear the same?
â Cheks Nweze
Aug 27 at 16:56
1
1
right. Instead, you should set them equal to eachother and see what solutions you get. In this case, you have: $u(3-2m)=u(4-3m)$ which evidently has solutions if a) $u=0$ or b) $3-2m=4-3m$. You can discard the first, and from the second you can solve to get $m=1$.
â dbx
Aug 27 at 17:47
right. Instead, you should set them equal to eachother and see what solutions you get. In this case, you have: $u(3-2m)=u(4-3m)$ which evidently has solutions if a) $u=0$ or b) $3-2m=4-3m$. You can discard the first, and from the second you can solve to get $m=1$.
â dbx
Aug 27 at 17:47
That was an accident, sorry. Will fix.
â Cheks Nweze
Aug 27 at 18:48
That was an accident, sorry. Will fix.
â Cheks Nweze
Aug 27 at 18:48
1
1
âÂÂThe equations are the sameâ doesnâÂÂt mean that theyâÂÂre identical, but that theyâÂÂre equivalent.
â amd
Aug 27 at 18:50
âÂÂThe equations are the sameâ doesnâÂÂt mean that theyâÂÂre identical, but that theyâÂÂre equivalent.
â amd
Aug 27 at 18:50
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Let
$$mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix b_11 & b_12 \ b_21 & b_22 endmatrix right ], quad mathbfp = left [ beginmatrix u \ v endmatrix right ]$$
If $mathbfp$ is an invariant point with respect to $mathbfB$, then
$$mathbfB mathbfp = mathbfp tag1labelNA1$$
which is equivalent to
$$leftlbrace beginaligned
b_11 u + b_12 v &= u \
b_21 u + b_22 v &= v endaligned right .$$
and
$$leftlbrace beginaligned
(b_11 - 1) u + b_12 v &= 0 \
b_21 u + (b_22 - 1) v &= 0 endaligned right . tag2labelNA2$$
To find invariant points, you solve $eqrefNA2$ for $u$ and $v$. In some cases, the solution is not a single point, but a line. If the matrix is all zeros, then all points are invariant.
Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 1 & 4 \ 2 & -1 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
$$leftlbracebeginaligned
(1 - 1)u + 4 v &= 0 \
2 u + (-1 - 1) v &= 0 \
endaligned right . quad iff quad leftlbracebeginaligned
4 v &= 0 \
2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
endalignedright .$$
The only solution to this is $u = v = 0$. So, this matrix has an invariant point at origin.
Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 3 & -2 \ 4 & -3 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
$$leftlbracebeginaligned
2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
4 u - 4 v &= 0 \
endalignedright .$$
If we divide the upper one by 2, or the lower one by 4, we get the same equation: $u - v = 0$. Thus, this matrix has an invariant line $u = v$.
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Let
$$mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix b_11 & b_12 \ b_21 & b_22 endmatrix right ], quad mathbfp = left [ beginmatrix u \ v endmatrix right ]$$
If $mathbfp$ is an invariant point with respect to $mathbfB$, then
$$mathbfB mathbfp = mathbfp tag1labelNA1$$
which is equivalent to
$$leftlbrace beginaligned
b_11 u + b_12 v &= u \
b_21 u + b_22 v &= v endaligned right .$$
and
$$leftlbrace beginaligned
(b_11 - 1) u + b_12 v &= 0 \
b_21 u + (b_22 - 1) v &= 0 endaligned right . tag2labelNA2$$
To find invariant points, you solve $eqrefNA2$ for $u$ and $v$. In some cases, the solution is not a single point, but a line. If the matrix is all zeros, then all points are invariant.
Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 1 & 4 \ 2 & -1 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
$$leftlbracebeginaligned
(1 - 1)u + 4 v &= 0 \
2 u + (-1 - 1) v &= 0 \
endaligned right . quad iff quad leftlbracebeginaligned
4 v &= 0 \
2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
endalignedright .$$
The only solution to this is $u = v = 0$. So, this matrix has an invariant point at origin.
Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 3 & -2 \ 4 & -3 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
$$leftlbracebeginaligned
2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
4 u - 4 v &= 0 \
endalignedright .$$
If we divide the upper one by 2, or the lower one by 4, we get the same equation: $u - v = 0$. Thus, this matrix has an invariant line $u = v$.
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Let
$$mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix b_11 & b_12 \ b_21 & b_22 endmatrix right ], quad mathbfp = left [ beginmatrix u \ v endmatrix right ]$$
If $mathbfp$ is an invariant point with respect to $mathbfB$, then
$$mathbfB mathbfp = mathbfp tag1labelNA1$$
which is equivalent to
$$leftlbrace beginaligned
b_11 u + b_12 v &= u \
b_21 u + b_22 v &= v endaligned right .$$
and
$$leftlbrace beginaligned
(b_11 - 1) u + b_12 v &= 0 \
b_21 u + (b_22 - 1) v &= 0 endaligned right . tag2labelNA2$$
To find invariant points, you solve $eqrefNA2$ for $u$ and $v$. In some cases, the solution is not a single point, but a line. If the matrix is all zeros, then all points are invariant.
Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 1 & 4 \ 2 & -1 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
$$leftlbracebeginaligned
(1 - 1)u + 4 v &= 0 \
2 u + (-1 - 1) v &= 0 \
endaligned right . quad iff quad leftlbracebeginaligned
4 v &= 0 \
2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
endalignedright .$$
The only solution to this is $u = v = 0$. So, this matrix has an invariant point at origin.
Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 3 & -2 \ 4 & -3 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
$$leftlbracebeginaligned
2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
4 u - 4 v &= 0 \
endalignedright .$$
If we divide the upper one by 2, or the lower one by 4, we get the same equation: $u - v = 0$. Thus, this matrix has an invariant line $u = v$.
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Let
$$mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix b_11 & b_12 \ b_21 & b_22 endmatrix right ], quad mathbfp = left [ beginmatrix u \ v endmatrix right ]$$
If $mathbfp$ is an invariant point with respect to $mathbfB$, then
$$mathbfB mathbfp = mathbfp tag1labelNA1$$
which is equivalent to
$$leftlbrace beginaligned
b_11 u + b_12 v &= u \
b_21 u + b_22 v &= v endaligned right .$$
and
$$leftlbrace beginaligned
(b_11 - 1) u + b_12 v &= 0 \
b_21 u + (b_22 - 1) v &= 0 endaligned right . tag2labelNA2$$
To find invariant points, you solve $eqrefNA2$ for $u$ and $v$. In some cases, the solution is not a single point, but a line. If the matrix is all zeros, then all points are invariant.
Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 1 & 4 \ 2 & -1 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
$$leftlbracebeginaligned
(1 - 1)u + 4 v &= 0 \
2 u + (-1 - 1) v &= 0 \
endaligned right . quad iff quad leftlbracebeginaligned
4 v &= 0 \
2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
endalignedright .$$
The only solution to this is $u = v = 0$. So, this matrix has an invariant point at origin.
Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 3 & -2 \ 4 & -3 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
$$leftlbracebeginaligned
2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
4 u - 4 v &= 0 \
endalignedright .$$
If we divide the upper one by 2, or the lower one by 4, we get the same equation: $u - v = 0$. Thus, this matrix has an invariant line $u = v$.
Let
$$mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix b_11 & b_12 \ b_21 & b_22 endmatrix right ], quad mathbfp = left [ beginmatrix u \ v endmatrix right ]$$
If $mathbfp$ is an invariant point with respect to $mathbfB$, then
$$mathbfB mathbfp = mathbfp tag1labelNA1$$
which is equivalent to
$$leftlbrace beginaligned
b_11 u + b_12 v &= u \
b_21 u + b_22 v &= v endaligned right .$$
and
$$leftlbrace beginaligned
(b_11 - 1) u + b_12 v &= 0 \
b_21 u + (b_22 - 1) v &= 0 endaligned right . tag2labelNA2$$
To find invariant points, you solve $eqrefNA2$ for $u$ and $v$. In some cases, the solution is not a single point, but a line. If the matrix is all zeros, then all points are invariant.
Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 1 & 4 \ 2 & -1 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
$$leftlbracebeginaligned
(1 - 1)u + 4 v &= 0 \
2 u + (-1 - 1) v &= 0 \
endaligned right . quad iff quad leftlbracebeginaligned
4 v &= 0 \
2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
endalignedright .$$
The only solution to this is $u = v = 0$. So, this matrix has an invariant point at origin.
Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 3 & -2 \ 4 & -3 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
$$leftlbracebeginaligned
2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
4 u - 4 v &= 0 \
endalignedright .$$
If we divide the upper one by 2, or the lower one by 4, we get the same equation: $u - v = 0$. Thus, this matrix has an invariant line $u = v$.
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If $m=1$ then $3u-2mu=4u-3mu$.
â dbx
Aug 27 at 16:54
Oh. So I can't rule out the equations despite the fact that they don't appear the same?
â Cheks Nweze
Aug 27 at 16:56
1
right. Instead, you should set them equal to eachother and see what solutions you get. In this case, you have: $u(3-2m)=u(4-3m)$ which evidently has solutions if a) $u=0$ or b) $3-2m=4-3m$. You can discard the first, and from the second you can solve to get $m=1$.
â dbx
Aug 27 at 17:47
That was an accident, sorry. Will fix.
â Cheks Nweze
Aug 27 at 18:48
1
âÂÂThe equations are the sameâ doesnâÂÂt mean that theyâÂÂre identical, but that theyâÂÂre equivalent.
â amd
Aug 27 at 18:50