How to find lines of invariant points?

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Every time I try a question on this topic I get it wrong.



My textbook says:




Invariant points satisfy $Bbeginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix$



Re-write this as a system of equations.



Check whether both equations are in fact the same.



If so, they give a line of invariant points.




So I tried this question using that method (and the method needed for finding invariant lines):




For [this] matrix, find any lines of invariant points and any other invariant lines through the origin.



$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrix$




What I did was:
$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrixbeginpmatrixu\ muendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix=beginpmatrix3u-2mu\ 4u-3muendpmatrix$



These equations are not the same, so no lines of invariant points.



Then, to find invariant lines:



$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrixbeginpmatrixu\ muendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu'\ v'endpmatrix=beginpmatrix3u-2mu\ 4u-3muendpmatrix$



$4u-3mu=mleft(3u-2muright)$



$2m^2-6m+4:=0:Rightarrow :m:=1: $or$ :m=2$



So the invariant lines should be $y=2x$ or $y=x$. As far as I know this is sort of right, except $y=x$ is apparently also a line of invariant points. What did I do wrong?







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    If $m=1$ then $3u-2mu=4u-3mu$.
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  • Oh. So I can't rule out the equations despite the fact that they don't appear the same?
    – Cheks Nweze
    Aug 27 at 16:56






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    right. Instead, you should set them equal to eachother and see what solutions you get. In this case, you have: $u(3-2m)=u(4-3m)$ which evidently has solutions if a) $u=0$ or b) $3-2m=4-3m$. You can discard the first, and from the second you can solve to get $m=1$.
    – dbx
    Aug 27 at 17:47










  • That was an accident, sorry. Will fix.
    – Cheks Nweze
    Aug 27 at 18:48






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    “The equations are the same” doesn’t mean that they’re identical, but that they’re equivalent.
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Every time I try a question on this topic I get it wrong.



My textbook says:




Invariant points satisfy $Bbeginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix$



Re-write this as a system of equations.



Check whether both equations are in fact the same.



If so, they give a line of invariant points.




So I tried this question using that method (and the method needed for finding invariant lines):




For [this] matrix, find any lines of invariant points and any other invariant lines through the origin.



$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrix$




What I did was:
$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrixbeginpmatrixu\ muendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix=beginpmatrix3u-2mu\ 4u-3muendpmatrix$



These equations are not the same, so no lines of invariant points.



Then, to find invariant lines:



$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrixbeginpmatrixu\ muendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu'\ v'endpmatrix=beginpmatrix3u-2mu\ 4u-3muendpmatrix$



$4u-3mu=mleft(3u-2muright)$



$2m^2-6m+4:=0:Rightarrow :m:=1: $or$ :m=2$



So the invariant lines should be $y=2x$ or $y=x$. As far as I know this is sort of right, except $y=x$ is apparently also a line of invariant points. What did I do wrong?







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  • 1




    If $m=1$ then $3u-2mu=4u-3mu$.
    – dbx
    Aug 27 at 16:54










  • Oh. So I can't rule out the equations despite the fact that they don't appear the same?
    – Cheks Nweze
    Aug 27 at 16:56






  • 1




    right. Instead, you should set them equal to eachother and see what solutions you get. In this case, you have: $u(3-2m)=u(4-3m)$ which evidently has solutions if a) $u=0$ or b) $3-2m=4-3m$. You can discard the first, and from the second you can solve to get $m=1$.
    – dbx
    Aug 27 at 17:47










  • That was an accident, sorry. Will fix.
    – Cheks Nweze
    Aug 27 at 18:48






  • 1




    “The equations are the same” doesn’t mean that they’re identical, but that they’re equivalent.
    – amd
    Aug 27 at 18:50












up vote
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up vote
2
down vote

favorite











Every time I try a question on this topic I get it wrong.



My textbook says:




Invariant points satisfy $Bbeginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix$



Re-write this as a system of equations.



Check whether both equations are in fact the same.



If so, they give a line of invariant points.




So I tried this question using that method (and the method needed for finding invariant lines):




For [this] matrix, find any lines of invariant points and any other invariant lines through the origin.



$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrix$




What I did was:
$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrixbeginpmatrixu\ muendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix=beginpmatrix3u-2mu\ 4u-3muendpmatrix$



These equations are not the same, so no lines of invariant points.



Then, to find invariant lines:



$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrixbeginpmatrixu\ muendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu'\ v'endpmatrix=beginpmatrix3u-2mu\ 4u-3muendpmatrix$



$4u-3mu=mleft(3u-2muright)$



$2m^2-6m+4:=0:Rightarrow :m:=1: $or$ :m=2$



So the invariant lines should be $y=2x$ or $y=x$. As far as I know this is sort of right, except $y=x$ is apparently also a line of invariant points. What did I do wrong?







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Every time I try a question on this topic I get it wrong.



My textbook says:




Invariant points satisfy $Bbeginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix$



Re-write this as a system of equations.



Check whether both equations are in fact the same.



If so, they give a line of invariant points.




So I tried this question using that method (and the method needed for finding invariant lines):




For [this] matrix, find any lines of invariant points and any other invariant lines through the origin.



$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrix$




What I did was:
$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrixbeginpmatrixu\ muendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu\ vendpmatrix=beginpmatrix3u-2mu\ 4u-3muendpmatrix$



These equations are not the same, so no lines of invariant points.



Then, to find invariant lines:



$beginpmatrix3&-2\ 4&-3endpmatrixbeginpmatrixu\ muendpmatrix=beginpmatrixu'\ v'endpmatrix=beginpmatrix3u-2mu\ 4u-3muendpmatrix$



$4u-3mu=mleft(3u-2muright)$



$2m^2-6m+4:=0:Rightarrow :m:=1: $or$ :m=2$



So the invariant lines should be $y=2x$ or $y=x$. As far as I know this is sort of right, except $y=x$ is apparently also a line of invariant points. What did I do wrong?









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    If $m=1$ then $3u-2mu=4u-3mu$.
    – dbx
    Aug 27 at 16:54










  • Oh. So I can't rule out the equations despite the fact that they don't appear the same?
    – Cheks Nweze
    Aug 27 at 16:56






  • 1




    right. Instead, you should set them equal to eachother and see what solutions you get. In this case, you have: $u(3-2m)=u(4-3m)$ which evidently has solutions if a) $u=0$ or b) $3-2m=4-3m$. You can discard the first, and from the second you can solve to get $m=1$.
    – dbx
    Aug 27 at 17:47










  • That was an accident, sorry. Will fix.
    – Cheks Nweze
    Aug 27 at 18:48






  • 1




    “The equations are the same” doesn’t mean that they’re identical, but that they’re equivalent.
    – amd
    Aug 27 at 18:50












  • 1




    If $m=1$ then $3u-2mu=4u-3mu$.
    – dbx
    Aug 27 at 16:54










  • Oh. So I can't rule out the equations despite the fact that they don't appear the same?
    – Cheks Nweze
    Aug 27 at 16:56






  • 1




    right. Instead, you should set them equal to eachother and see what solutions you get. In this case, you have: $u(3-2m)=u(4-3m)$ which evidently has solutions if a) $u=0$ or b) $3-2m=4-3m$. You can discard the first, and from the second you can solve to get $m=1$.
    – dbx
    Aug 27 at 17:47










  • That was an accident, sorry. Will fix.
    – Cheks Nweze
    Aug 27 at 18:48






  • 1




    “The equations are the same” doesn’t mean that they’re identical, but that they’re equivalent.
    – amd
    Aug 27 at 18:50







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If $m=1$ then $3u-2mu=4u-3mu$.
– dbx
Aug 27 at 16:54




If $m=1$ then $3u-2mu=4u-3mu$.
– dbx
Aug 27 at 16:54












Oh. So I can't rule out the equations despite the fact that they don't appear the same?
– Cheks Nweze
Aug 27 at 16:56




Oh. So I can't rule out the equations despite the fact that they don't appear the same?
– Cheks Nweze
Aug 27 at 16:56




1




1




right. Instead, you should set them equal to eachother and see what solutions you get. In this case, you have: $u(3-2m)=u(4-3m)$ which evidently has solutions if a) $u=0$ or b) $3-2m=4-3m$. You can discard the first, and from the second you can solve to get $m=1$.
– dbx
Aug 27 at 17:47




right. Instead, you should set them equal to eachother and see what solutions you get. In this case, you have: $u(3-2m)=u(4-3m)$ which evidently has solutions if a) $u=0$ or b) $3-2m=4-3m$. You can discard the first, and from the second you can solve to get $m=1$.
– dbx
Aug 27 at 17:47












That was an accident, sorry. Will fix.
– Cheks Nweze
Aug 27 at 18:48




That was an accident, sorry. Will fix.
– Cheks Nweze
Aug 27 at 18:48




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“The equations are the same” doesn’t mean that they’re identical, but that they’re equivalent.
– amd
Aug 27 at 18:50




“The equations are the same” doesn’t mean that they’re identical, but that they’re equivalent.
– amd
Aug 27 at 18:50










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Let
$$mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix b_11 & b_12 \ b_21 & b_22 endmatrix right ], quad mathbfp = left [ beginmatrix u \ v endmatrix right ]$$
If $mathbfp$ is an invariant point with respect to $mathbfB$, then
$$mathbfB mathbfp = mathbfp tag1labelNA1$$
which is equivalent to
$$leftlbrace beginaligned
b_11 u + b_12 v &= u \
b_21 u + b_22 v &= v endaligned right .$$
and
$$leftlbrace beginaligned
(b_11 - 1) u + b_12 v &= 0 \
b_21 u + (b_22 - 1) v &= 0 endaligned right . tag2labelNA2$$
To find invariant points, you solve $eqrefNA2$ for $u$ and $v$. In some cases, the solution is not a single point, but a line. If the matrix is all zeros, then all points are invariant.




Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 1 & 4 \ 2 & -1 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
$$leftlbracebeginaligned
(1 - 1)u + 4 v &= 0 \
2 u + (-1 - 1) v &= 0 \
endaligned right . quad iff quad leftlbracebeginaligned
4 v &= 0 \
2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
endalignedright .$$
The only solution to this is $u = v = 0$. So, this matrix has an invariant point at origin.




Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 3 & -2 \ 4 & -3 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
$$leftlbracebeginaligned
2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
4 u - 4 v &= 0 \
endalignedright .$$
If we divide the upper one by 2, or the lower one by 4, we get the same equation: $u - v = 0$. Thus, this matrix has an invariant line $u = v$.






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    Let
    $$mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix b_11 & b_12 \ b_21 & b_22 endmatrix right ], quad mathbfp = left [ beginmatrix u \ v endmatrix right ]$$
    If $mathbfp$ is an invariant point with respect to $mathbfB$, then
    $$mathbfB mathbfp = mathbfp tag1labelNA1$$
    which is equivalent to
    $$leftlbrace beginaligned
    b_11 u + b_12 v &= u \
    b_21 u + b_22 v &= v endaligned right .$$
    and
    $$leftlbrace beginaligned
    (b_11 - 1) u + b_12 v &= 0 \
    b_21 u + (b_22 - 1) v &= 0 endaligned right . tag2labelNA2$$
    To find invariant points, you solve $eqrefNA2$ for $u$ and $v$. In some cases, the solution is not a single point, but a line. If the matrix is all zeros, then all points are invariant.




    Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 1 & 4 \ 2 & -1 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
    $$leftlbracebeginaligned
    (1 - 1)u + 4 v &= 0 \
    2 u + (-1 - 1) v &= 0 \
    endaligned right . quad iff quad leftlbracebeginaligned
    4 v &= 0 \
    2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
    endalignedright .$$
    The only solution to this is $u = v = 0$. So, this matrix has an invariant point at origin.




    Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 3 & -2 \ 4 & -3 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
    $$leftlbracebeginaligned
    2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
    4 u - 4 v &= 0 \
    endalignedright .$$
    If we divide the upper one by 2, or the lower one by 4, we get the same equation: $u - v = 0$. Thus, this matrix has an invariant line $u = v$.






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      Let
      $$mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix b_11 & b_12 \ b_21 & b_22 endmatrix right ], quad mathbfp = left [ beginmatrix u \ v endmatrix right ]$$
      If $mathbfp$ is an invariant point with respect to $mathbfB$, then
      $$mathbfB mathbfp = mathbfp tag1labelNA1$$
      which is equivalent to
      $$leftlbrace beginaligned
      b_11 u + b_12 v &= u \
      b_21 u + b_22 v &= v endaligned right .$$
      and
      $$leftlbrace beginaligned
      (b_11 - 1) u + b_12 v &= 0 \
      b_21 u + (b_22 - 1) v &= 0 endaligned right . tag2labelNA2$$
      To find invariant points, you solve $eqrefNA2$ for $u$ and $v$. In some cases, the solution is not a single point, but a line. If the matrix is all zeros, then all points are invariant.




      Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 1 & 4 \ 2 & -1 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
      $$leftlbracebeginaligned
      (1 - 1)u + 4 v &= 0 \
      2 u + (-1 - 1) v &= 0 \
      endaligned right . quad iff quad leftlbracebeginaligned
      4 v &= 0 \
      2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
      endalignedright .$$
      The only solution to this is $u = v = 0$. So, this matrix has an invariant point at origin.




      Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 3 & -2 \ 4 & -3 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
      $$leftlbracebeginaligned
      2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
      4 u - 4 v &= 0 \
      endalignedright .$$
      If we divide the upper one by 2, or the lower one by 4, we get the same equation: $u - v = 0$. Thus, this matrix has an invariant line $u = v$.






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        Let
        $$mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix b_11 & b_12 \ b_21 & b_22 endmatrix right ], quad mathbfp = left [ beginmatrix u \ v endmatrix right ]$$
        If $mathbfp$ is an invariant point with respect to $mathbfB$, then
        $$mathbfB mathbfp = mathbfp tag1labelNA1$$
        which is equivalent to
        $$leftlbrace beginaligned
        b_11 u + b_12 v &= u \
        b_21 u + b_22 v &= v endaligned right .$$
        and
        $$leftlbrace beginaligned
        (b_11 - 1) u + b_12 v &= 0 \
        b_21 u + (b_22 - 1) v &= 0 endaligned right . tag2labelNA2$$
        To find invariant points, you solve $eqrefNA2$ for $u$ and $v$. In some cases, the solution is not a single point, but a line. If the matrix is all zeros, then all points are invariant.




        Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 1 & 4 \ 2 & -1 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
        $$leftlbracebeginaligned
        (1 - 1)u + 4 v &= 0 \
        2 u + (-1 - 1) v &= 0 \
        endaligned right . quad iff quad leftlbracebeginaligned
        4 v &= 0 \
        2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
        endalignedright .$$
        The only solution to this is $u = v = 0$. So, this matrix has an invariant point at origin.




        Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 3 & -2 \ 4 & -3 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
        $$leftlbracebeginaligned
        2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
        4 u - 4 v &= 0 \
        endalignedright .$$
        If we divide the upper one by 2, or the lower one by 4, we get the same equation: $u - v = 0$. Thus, this matrix has an invariant line $u = v$.






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        Let
        $$mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix b_11 & b_12 \ b_21 & b_22 endmatrix right ], quad mathbfp = left [ beginmatrix u \ v endmatrix right ]$$
        If $mathbfp$ is an invariant point with respect to $mathbfB$, then
        $$mathbfB mathbfp = mathbfp tag1labelNA1$$
        which is equivalent to
        $$leftlbrace beginaligned
        b_11 u + b_12 v &= u \
        b_21 u + b_22 v &= v endaligned right .$$
        and
        $$leftlbrace beginaligned
        (b_11 - 1) u + b_12 v &= 0 \
        b_21 u + (b_22 - 1) v &= 0 endaligned right . tag2labelNA2$$
        To find invariant points, you solve $eqrefNA2$ for $u$ and $v$. In some cases, the solution is not a single point, but a line. If the matrix is all zeros, then all points are invariant.




        Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 1 & 4 \ 2 & -1 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
        $$leftlbracebeginaligned
        (1 - 1)u + 4 v &= 0 \
        2 u + (-1 - 1) v &= 0 \
        endaligned right . quad iff quad leftlbracebeginaligned
        4 v &= 0 \
        2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
        endalignedright .$$
        The only solution to this is $u = v = 0$. So, this matrix has an invariant point at origin.




        Let's examine $mathbfB = left [ beginmatrix 3 & -2 \ 4 & -3 endmatrix right ]$. Substituting to $eqrefNA2$ we get
        $$leftlbracebeginaligned
        2 u - 2 v &= 0 \
        4 u - 4 v &= 0 \
        endalignedright .$$
        If we divide the upper one by 2, or the lower one by 4, we get the same equation: $u - v = 0$. Thus, this matrix has an invariant line $u = v$.







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