Does this prove that $y=1over x$ has no midpoint?

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I was looking at the area under $y=1over x$, and randomly I wondered if there was some point at which the areas on either side were equal.



I set about finding the answer using this method:
$$\
lim_ato0^+ int_a^pdxover x=lim_btoinfty int_p^bdxover x\
lim_ato0^+ln p - ln a=lim_btoinftyln b - ln p\
2ln p=lim_ato0^+ln a+lim_btoinfty ln b\
2ln p = -infty+infty\
$$
Upon seeing the last line, I concluded that given the indeterminate form, $pin(0,infty)$, which I interpreted to mean "$p$ does not exist"



Is this rigorous enough, or did I skip some steps?







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  • "On either side" of what? Depending on what you mean by "area," an answer like $x=pm 1$ might be acceptable.
    – Randall
    Aug 27 at 15:20











  • Well both of your initial integrals diverge, i.e. have infinite area under them, for any p. Since both integrals are not really defined you may want to try this with a different function so that both integrals converge
    – Sheel Stueber
    Aug 27 at 15:20






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    since the improper integrals are not convergent, how you define the “area”?
    – mengdie1982
    Aug 27 at 15:21















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I was looking at the area under $y=1over x$, and randomly I wondered if there was some point at which the areas on either side were equal.



I set about finding the answer using this method:
$$\
lim_ato0^+ int_a^pdxover x=lim_btoinfty int_p^bdxover x\
lim_ato0^+ln p - ln a=lim_btoinftyln b - ln p\
2ln p=lim_ato0^+ln a+lim_btoinfty ln b\
2ln p = -infty+infty\
$$
Upon seeing the last line, I concluded that given the indeterminate form, $pin(0,infty)$, which I interpreted to mean "$p$ does not exist"



Is this rigorous enough, or did I skip some steps?







share|cite|improve this question




















  • "On either side" of what? Depending on what you mean by "area," an answer like $x=pm 1$ might be acceptable.
    – Randall
    Aug 27 at 15:20











  • Well both of your initial integrals diverge, i.e. have infinite area under them, for any p. Since both integrals are not really defined you may want to try this with a different function so that both integrals converge
    – Sheel Stueber
    Aug 27 at 15:20






  • 1




    since the improper integrals are not convergent, how you define the “area”?
    – mengdie1982
    Aug 27 at 15:21













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I was looking at the area under $y=1over x$, and randomly I wondered if there was some point at which the areas on either side were equal.



I set about finding the answer using this method:
$$\
lim_ato0^+ int_a^pdxover x=lim_btoinfty int_p^bdxover x\
lim_ato0^+ln p - ln a=lim_btoinftyln b - ln p\
2ln p=lim_ato0^+ln a+lim_btoinfty ln b\
2ln p = -infty+infty\
$$
Upon seeing the last line, I concluded that given the indeterminate form, $pin(0,infty)$, which I interpreted to mean "$p$ does not exist"



Is this rigorous enough, or did I skip some steps?







share|cite|improve this question












I was looking at the area under $y=1over x$, and randomly I wondered if there was some point at which the areas on either side were equal.



I set about finding the answer using this method:
$$\
lim_ato0^+ int_a^pdxover x=lim_btoinfty int_p^bdxover x\
lim_ato0^+ln p - ln a=lim_btoinftyln b - ln p\
2ln p=lim_ato0^+ln a+lim_btoinfty ln b\
2ln p = -infty+infty\
$$
Upon seeing the last line, I concluded that given the indeterminate form, $pin(0,infty)$, which I interpreted to mean "$p$ does not exist"



Is this rigorous enough, or did I skip some steps?









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  • "On either side" of what? Depending on what you mean by "area," an answer like $x=pm 1$ might be acceptable.
    – Randall
    Aug 27 at 15:20











  • Well both of your initial integrals diverge, i.e. have infinite area under them, for any p. Since both integrals are not really defined you may want to try this with a different function so that both integrals converge
    – Sheel Stueber
    Aug 27 at 15:20






  • 1




    since the improper integrals are not convergent, how you define the “area”?
    – mengdie1982
    Aug 27 at 15:21

















  • "On either side" of what? Depending on what you mean by "area," an answer like $x=pm 1$ might be acceptable.
    – Randall
    Aug 27 at 15:20











  • Well both of your initial integrals diverge, i.e. have infinite area under them, for any p. Since both integrals are not really defined you may want to try this with a different function so that both integrals converge
    – Sheel Stueber
    Aug 27 at 15:20






  • 1




    since the improper integrals are not convergent, how you define the “area”?
    – mengdie1982
    Aug 27 at 15:21
















"On either side" of what? Depending on what you mean by "area," an answer like $x=pm 1$ might be acceptable.
– Randall
Aug 27 at 15:20





"On either side" of what? Depending on what you mean by "area," an answer like $x=pm 1$ might be acceptable.
– Randall
Aug 27 at 15:20













Well both of your initial integrals diverge, i.e. have infinite area under them, for any p. Since both integrals are not really defined you may want to try this with a different function so that both integrals converge
– Sheel Stueber
Aug 27 at 15:20




Well both of your initial integrals diverge, i.e. have infinite area under them, for any p. Since both integrals are not really defined you may want to try this with a different function so that both integrals converge
– Sheel Stueber
Aug 27 at 15:20




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since the improper integrals are not convergent, how you define the “area”?
– mengdie1982
Aug 27 at 15:21





since the improper integrals are not convergent, how you define the “area”?
– mengdie1982
Aug 27 at 15:21











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We have that $lim_ato0^+ int_a^pdxover x$ diverges and $lim_btoinfty int_p^bdxover x$ diverges too. So, since these two areas tend to $infty$, you cannot compare those two. Hence you cannot find a point where these two areas are equal.



From the indeterminate that you found you cannot conclude the non-existence of $p$ cause an indeterminate form of $infty -infty$ with some manipulations can lead to a number or not.






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    Your statement that $p$ does not exist is correct.



    You know that the total integral is $infty$ and you are looking for a point which divides infinity in two equal parts.



    Now if the point $p$ is a real point,then the first half of the integral will be bounded and can not be infinity.



    Thus even without integration we notice that such a point does not exist.



    The same argument goes for every integral which diverges to infinity.






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      We have that $lim_ato0^+ int_a^pdxover x$ diverges and $lim_btoinfty int_p^bdxover x$ diverges too. So, since these two areas tend to $infty$, you cannot compare those two. Hence you cannot find a point where these two areas are equal.



      From the indeterminate that you found you cannot conclude the non-existence of $p$ cause an indeterminate form of $infty -infty$ with some manipulations can lead to a number or not.






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        We have that $lim_ato0^+ int_a^pdxover x$ diverges and $lim_btoinfty int_p^bdxover x$ diverges too. So, since these two areas tend to $infty$, you cannot compare those two. Hence you cannot find a point where these two areas are equal.



        From the indeterminate that you found you cannot conclude the non-existence of $p$ cause an indeterminate form of $infty -infty$ with some manipulations can lead to a number or not.






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          We have that $lim_ato0^+ int_a^pdxover x$ diverges and $lim_btoinfty int_p^bdxover x$ diverges too. So, since these two areas tend to $infty$, you cannot compare those two. Hence you cannot find a point where these two areas are equal.



          From the indeterminate that you found you cannot conclude the non-existence of $p$ cause an indeterminate form of $infty -infty$ with some manipulations can lead to a number or not.






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          We have that $lim_ato0^+ int_a^pdxover x$ diverges and $lim_btoinfty int_p^bdxover x$ diverges too. So, since these two areas tend to $infty$, you cannot compare those two. Hence you cannot find a point where these two areas are equal.



          From the indeterminate that you found you cannot conclude the non-existence of $p$ cause an indeterminate form of $infty -infty$ with some manipulations can lead to a number or not.







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              Your statement that $p$ does not exist is correct.



              You know that the total integral is $infty$ and you are looking for a point which divides infinity in two equal parts.



              Now if the point $p$ is a real point,then the first half of the integral will be bounded and can not be infinity.



              Thus even without integration we notice that such a point does not exist.



              The same argument goes for every integral which diverges to infinity.






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                Your statement that $p$ does not exist is correct.



                You know that the total integral is $infty$ and you are looking for a point which divides infinity in two equal parts.



                Now if the point $p$ is a real point,then the first half of the integral will be bounded and can not be infinity.



                Thus even without integration we notice that such a point does not exist.



                The same argument goes for every integral which diverges to infinity.






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                  Your statement that $p$ does not exist is correct.



                  You know that the total integral is $infty$ and you are looking for a point which divides infinity in two equal parts.



                  Now if the point $p$ is a real point,then the first half of the integral will be bounded and can not be infinity.



                  Thus even without integration we notice that such a point does not exist.



                  The same argument goes for every integral which diverges to infinity.






                  share|cite|improve this answer












                  Your statement that $p$ does not exist is correct.



                  You know that the total integral is $infty$ and you are looking for a point which divides infinity in two equal parts.



                  Now if the point $p$ is a real point,then the first half of the integral will be bounded and can not be infinity.



                  Thus even without integration we notice that such a point does not exist.



                  The same argument goes for every integral which diverges to infinity.







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                  answered Aug 27 at 15:33









                  Mohammad Riazi-Kermani

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