What is this limit $lim_x to infty (frac1x - 1)^x$?

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I know that $lim_x to infty (1 + frac1x)^x=e$, but what if it is $lim_x to infty ( frac1x-1)^x$?







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    What is the value of $left(frac1x-1right)^x$ for $x=2.5$?
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  • Something is wrong here. As $xto infty$ the expression $frac1x-1$ is negative, and it makes no sense to raise a negative value to a arbitrary positive real power $x$. Please check the source of your Question and edit the statement as necessary.
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  • @hardmath I got this question off of my university's test and I can assure you it's correct. And yeah you're right it doesn't make sense, I think the point of the question is to see that the limit does not exist. (And the answer was indeed that)
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    Aug 19 at 2:00














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I know that $lim_x to infty (1 + frac1x)^x=e$, but what if it is $lim_x to infty ( frac1x-1)^x$?







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    What is the value of $left(frac1x-1right)^x$ for $x=2.5$?
    – Math Lover
    Aug 18 at 3:54










  • wolframalpha.com/input/…
    – mnulb
    Aug 18 at 3:57










  • @MathLover Thank you!! I got it after your comment (and after plotting the function using desmos!)!
    – Kate
    Aug 18 at 4:06











  • Something is wrong here. As $xto infty$ the expression $frac1x-1$ is negative, and it makes no sense to raise a negative value to a arbitrary positive real power $x$. Please check the source of your Question and edit the statement as necessary.
    – hardmath
    Aug 18 at 16:23










  • @hardmath I got this question off of my university's test and I can assure you it's correct. And yeah you're right it doesn't make sense, I think the point of the question is to see that the limit does not exist. (And the answer was indeed that)
    – Kate
    Aug 19 at 2:00












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I know that $lim_x to infty (1 + frac1x)^x=e$, but what if it is $lim_x to infty ( frac1x-1)^x$?







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I know that $lim_x to infty (1 + frac1x)^x=e$, but what if it is $lim_x to infty ( frac1x-1)^x$?









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    What is the value of $left(frac1x-1right)^x$ for $x=2.5$?
    – Math Lover
    Aug 18 at 3:54










  • wolframalpha.com/input/…
    – mnulb
    Aug 18 at 3:57










  • @MathLover Thank you!! I got it after your comment (and after plotting the function using desmos!)!
    – Kate
    Aug 18 at 4:06











  • Something is wrong here. As $xto infty$ the expression $frac1x-1$ is negative, and it makes no sense to raise a negative value to a arbitrary positive real power $x$. Please check the source of your Question and edit the statement as necessary.
    – hardmath
    Aug 18 at 16:23










  • @hardmath I got this question off of my university's test and I can assure you it's correct. And yeah you're right it doesn't make sense, I think the point of the question is to see that the limit does not exist. (And the answer was indeed that)
    – Kate
    Aug 19 at 2:00












  • 2




    What is the value of $left(frac1x-1right)^x$ for $x=2.5$?
    – Math Lover
    Aug 18 at 3:54










  • wolframalpha.com/input/…
    – mnulb
    Aug 18 at 3:57










  • @MathLover Thank you!! I got it after your comment (and after plotting the function using desmos!)!
    – Kate
    Aug 18 at 4:06











  • Something is wrong here. As $xto infty$ the expression $frac1x-1$ is negative, and it makes no sense to raise a negative value to a arbitrary positive real power $x$. Please check the source of your Question and edit the statement as necessary.
    – hardmath
    Aug 18 at 16:23










  • @hardmath I got this question off of my university's test and I can assure you it's correct. And yeah you're right it doesn't make sense, I think the point of the question is to see that the limit does not exist. (And the answer was indeed that)
    – Kate
    Aug 19 at 2:00







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What is the value of $left(frac1x-1right)^x$ for $x=2.5$?
– Math Lover
Aug 18 at 3:54




What is the value of $left(frac1x-1right)^x$ for $x=2.5$?
– Math Lover
Aug 18 at 3:54












wolframalpha.com/input/…
– mnulb
Aug 18 at 3:57




wolframalpha.com/input/…
– mnulb
Aug 18 at 3:57












@MathLover Thank you!! I got it after your comment (and after plotting the function using desmos!)!
– Kate
Aug 18 at 4:06





@MathLover Thank you!! I got it after your comment (and after plotting the function using desmos!)!
– Kate
Aug 18 at 4:06













Something is wrong here. As $xto infty$ the expression $frac1x-1$ is negative, and it makes no sense to raise a negative value to a arbitrary positive real power $x$. Please check the source of your Question and edit the statement as necessary.
– hardmath
Aug 18 at 16:23




Something is wrong here. As $xto infty$ the expression $frac1x-1$ is negative, and it makes no sense to raise a negative value to a arbitrary positive real power $x$. Please check the source of your Question and edit the statement as necessary.
– hardmath
Aug 18 at 16:23












@hardmath I got this question off of my university's test and I can assure you it's correct. And yeah you're right it doesn't make sense, I think the point of the question is to see that the limit does not exist. (And the answer was indeed that)
– Kate
Aug 19 at 2:00




@hardmath I got this question off of my university's test and I can assure you it's correct. And yeah you're right it doesn't make sense, I think the point of the question is to see that the limit does not exist. (And the answer was indeed that)
– Kate
Aug 19 at 2:00










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The limit does not exist. To see this, first pull out $-1$ from the base of the exponent



$$left(frac1x-1right)^x=(-1)^xleft(1-frac1xright)^x$$



Now there is a common identity which you may already know of that states $$lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=e^a$$



Therefore, the factor of $left(1-frac1xright)^x$ converges to $e^-1$, but $(-1)^x$ does not converge at all, and so the limit you gave does not exist.



To see why the identity holds, its easier to first see that $lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y$ by setting $y=1/x$. Then,



$$lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y = L$$



$$lim_yto 0frac1ylogleft(1+ayright) = log L$$



Using L'Hopital's rule we see that



$$lim_yto 0fraclogleft(1+ayright)y = lim_yto 0fraca/left(1+ayright)1=a=log L$$



Thus $L=e^a$.






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The limit does not exist if $x in R$



because $lim f(x)^g(x)$ requirs $f(x)ge 0$



if we apply this condition on our limit it becomes $$frac1x-1 ge 0$$
$$frac1x ge 1 $$
$$x le 1 $$






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The limit is in the form $(-1)^infty$ which intuitively does not converge to a value or exist.






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The limit does not exist. To see this, first pull out $-1$ from the base of the exponent



$$left(frac1x-1right)^x=(-1)^xleft(1-frac1xright)^x$$



Now there is a common identity which you may already know of that states $$lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=e^a$$



Therefore, the factor of $left(1-frac1xright)^x$ converges to $e^-1$, but $(-1)^x$ does not converge at all, and so the limit you gave does not exist.



To see why the identity holds, its easier to first see that $lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y$ by setting $y=1/x$. Then,



$$lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y = L$$



$$lim_yto 0frac1ylogleft(1+ayright) = log L$$



Using L'Hopital's rule we see that



$$lim_yto 0fraclogleft(1+ayright)y = lim_yto 0fraca/left(1+ayright)1=a=log L$$



Thus $L=e^a$.






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The limit does not exist. To see this, first pull out $-1$ from the base of the exponent



$$left(frac1x-1right)^x=(-1)^xleft(1-frac1xright)^x$$



Now there is a common identity which you may already know of that states $$lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=e^a$$



Therefore, the factor of $left(1-frac1xright)^x$ converges to $e^-1$, but $(-1)^x$ does not converge at all, and so the limit you gave does not exist.



To see why the identity holds, its easier to first see that $lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y$ by setting $y=1/x$. Then,



$$lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y = L$$



$$lim_yto 0frac1ylogleft(1+ayright) = log L$$



Using L'Hopital's rule we see that



$$lim_yto 0fraclogleft(1+ayright)y = lim_yto 0fraca/left(1+ayright)1=a=log L$$



Thus $L=e^a$.






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    Thank you rikhavshah! :D
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up vote
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The limit does not exist. To see this, first pull out $-1$ from the base of the exponent



$$left(frac1x-1right)^x=(-1)^xleft(1-frac1xright)^x$$



Now there is a common identity which you may already know of that states $$lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=e^a$$



Therefore, the factor of $left(1-frac1xright)^x$ converges to $e^-1$, but $(-1)^x$ does not converge at all, and so the limit you gave does not exist.



To see why the identity holds, its easier to first see that $lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y$ by setting $y=1/x$. Then,



$$lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y = L$$



$$lim_yto 0frac1ylogleft(1+ayright) = log L$$



Using L'Hopital's rule we see that



$$lim_yto 0fraclogleft(1+ayright)y = lim_yto 0fraca/left(1+ayright)1=a=log L$$



Thus $L=e^a$.






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The limit does not exist. To see this, first pull out $-1$ from the base of the exponent



$$left(frac1x-1right)^x=(-1)^xleft(1-frac1xright)^x$$



Now there is a common identity which you may already know of that states $$lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=e^a$$



Therefore, the factor of $left(1-frac1xright)^x$ converges to $e^-1$, but $(-1)^x$ does not converge at all, and so the limit you gave does not exist.



To see why the identity holds, its easier to first see that $lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y$ by setting $y=1/x$. Then,



$$lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y = L$$



$$lim_yto 0frac1ylogleft(1+ayright) = log L$$



Using L'Hopital's rule we see that



$$lim_yto 0fraclogleft(1+ayright)y = lim_yto 0fraca/left(1+ayright)1=a=log L$$



Thus $L=e^a$.







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    Thank you rikhavshah! :D
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Thank you rikhavshah! :D
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Thank you rikhavshah! :D
– Kate
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The limit does not exist if $x in R$



because $lim f(x)^g(x)$ requirs $f(x)ge 0$



if we apply this condition on our limit it becomes $$frac1x-1 ge 0$$
$$frac1x ge 1 $$
$$x le 1 $$






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  • Thank you so much! :)
    – Kate
    Aug 18 at 4:07














up vote
2
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The limit does not exist if $x in R$



because $lim f(x)^g(x)$ requirs $f(x)ge 0$



if we apply this condition on our limit it becomes $$frac1x-1 ge 0$$
$$frac1x ge 1 $$
$$x le 1 $$






share|cite|improve this answer






















  • Thank you so much! :)
    – Kate
    Aug 18 at 4:07












up vote
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up vote
2
down vote









The limit does not exist if $x in R$



because $lim f(x)^g(x)$ requirs $f(x)ge 0$



if we apply this condition on our limit it becomes $$frac1x-1 ge 0$$
$$frac1x ge 1 $$
$$x le 1 $$






share|cite|improve this answer














The limit does not exist if $x in R$



because $lim f(x)^g(x)$ requirs $f(x)ge 0$



if we apply this condition on our limit it becomes $$frac1x-1 ge 0$$
$$frac1x ge 1 $$
$$x le 1 $$







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    – Kate
    Aug 18 at 4:07
















  • Thank you so much! :)
    – Kate
    Aug 18 at 4:07















Thank you so much! :)
– Kate
Aug 18 at 4:07




Thank you so much! :)
– Kate
Aug 18 at 4:07










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The limit is in the form $(-1)^infty$ which intuitively does not converge to a value or exist.






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  • Thanks, that makes it so much simpler!
    – Kate
    Aug 18 at 7:24














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The limit is in the form $(-1)^infty$ which intuitively does not converge to a value or exist.






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  • Thanks, that makes it so much simpler!
    – Kate
    Aug 18 at 7:24












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The limit is in the form $(-1)^infty$ which intuitively does not converge to a value or exist.






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The limit is in the form $(-1)^infty$ which intuitively does not converge to a value or exist.







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  • Thanks, that makes it so much simpler!
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Thanks, that makes it so much simpler!
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