What is this limit $lim_x to infty (frac1x - 1)^x$?
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I know that $lim_x to infty (1 + frac1x)^x=e$, but what if it is $lim_x to infty ( frac1x-1)^x$?
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I know that $lim_x to infty (1 + frac1x)^x=e$, but what if it is $lim_x to infty ( frac1x-1)^x$?
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What is the value of $left(frac1x-1right)^x$ for $x=2.5$?
â Math Lover
Aug 18 at 3:54
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â mnulb
Aug 18 at 3:57
@MathLover Thank you!! I got it after your comment (and after plotting the function using desmos!)!
â Kate
Aug 18 at 4:06
Something is wrong here. As $xto infty$ the expression $frac1x-1$ is negative, and it makes no sense to raise a negative value to a arbitrary positive real power $x$. Please check the source of your Question and edit the statement as necessary.
â hardmath
Aug 18 at 16:23
@hardmath I got this question off of my university's test and I can assure you it's correct. And yeah you're right it doesn't make sense, I think the point of the question is to see that the limit does not exist. (And the answer was indeed that)
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Aug 19 at 2:00
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I know that $lim_x to infty (1 + frac1x)^x=e$, but what if it is $lim_x to infty ( frac1x-1)^x$?
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I know that $lim_x to infty (1 + frac1x)^x=e$, but what if it is $lim_x to infty ( frac1x-1)^x$?
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edited Aug 18 at 5:01
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What is the value of $left(frac1x-1right)^x$ for $x=2.5$?
â Math Lover
Aug 18 at 3:54
wolframalpha.com/input/â¦
â mnulb
Aug 18 at 3:57
@MathLover Thank you!! I got it after your comment (and after plotting the function using desmos!)!
â Kate
Aug 18 at 4:06
Something is wrong here. As $xto infty$ the expression $frac1x-1$ is negative, and it makes no sense to raise a negative value to a arbitrary positive real power $x$. Please check the source of your Question and edit the statement as necessary.
â hardmath
Aug 18 at 16:23
@hardmath I got this question off of my university's test and I can assure you it's correct. And yeah you're right it doesn't make sense, I think the point of the question is to see that the limit does not exist. (And the answer was indeed that)
â Kate
Aug 19 at 2:00
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What is the value of $left(frac1x-1right)^x$ for $x=2.5$?
â Math Lover
Aug 18 at 3:54
wolframalpha.com/input/â¦
â mnulb
Aug 18 at 3:57
@MathLover Thank you!! I got it after your comment (and after plotting the function using desmos!)!
â Kate
Aug 18 at 4:06
Something is wrong here. As $xto infty$ the expression $frac1x-1$ is negative, and it makes no sense to raise a negative value to a arbitrary positive real power $x$. Please check the source of your Question and edit the statement as necessary.
â hardmath
Aug 18 at 16:23
@hardmath I got this question off of my university's test and I can assure you it's correct. And yeah you're right it doesn't make sense, I think the point of the question is to see that the limit does not exist. (And the answer was indeed that)
â Kate
Aug 19 at 2:00
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What is the value of $left(frac1x-1right)^x$ for $x=2.5$?
â Math Lover
Aug 18 at 3:54
What is the value of $left(frac1x-1right)^x$ for $x=2.5$?
â Math Lover
Aug 18 at 3:54
wolframalpha.com/input/â¦
â mnulb
Aug 18 at 3:57
wolframalpha.com/input/â¦
â mnulb
Aug 18 at 3:57
@MathLover Thank you!! I got it after your comment (and after plotting the function using desmos!)!
â Kate
Aug 18 at 4:06
@MathLover Thank you!! I got it after your comment (and after plotting the function using desmos!)!
â Kate
Aug 18 at 4:06
Something is wrong here. As $xto infty$ the expression $frac1x-1$ is negative, and it makes no sense to raise a negative value to a arbitrary positive real power $x$. Please check the source of your Question and edit the statement as necessary.
â hardmath
Aug 18 at 16:23
Something is wrong here. As $xto infty$ the expression $frac1x-1$ is negative, and it makes no sense to raise a negative value to a arbitrary positive real power $x$. Please check the source of your Question and edit the statement as necessary.
â hardmath
Aug 18 at 16:23
@hardmath I got this question off of my university's test and I can assure you it's correct. And yeah you're right it doesn't make sense, I think the point of the question is to see that the limit does not exist. (And the answer was indeed that)
â Kate
Aug 19 at 2:00
@hardmath I got this question off of my university's test and I can assure you it's correct. And yeah you're right it doesn't make sense, I think the point of the question is to see that the limit does not exist. (And the answer was indeed that)
â Kate
Aug 19 at 2:00
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The limit does not exist. To see this, first pull out $-1$ from the base of the exponent
$$left(frac1x-1right)^x=(-1)^xleft(1-frac1xright)^x$$
Now there is a common identity which you may already know of that states $$lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=e^a$$
Therefore, the factor of $left(1-frac1xright)^x$ converges to $e^-1$, but $(-1)^x$ does not converge at all, and so the limit you gave does not exist.
To see why the identity holds, its easier to first see that $lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y$ by setting $y=1/x$. Then,
$$lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y = L$$
$$lim_yto 0frac1ylogleft(1+ayright) = log L$$
Using L'Hopital's rule we see that
$$lim_yto 0fraclogleft(1+ayright)y = lim_yto 0fraca/left(1+ayright)1=a=log L$$
Thus $L=e^a$.
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Thank you rikhavshah! :D
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Aug 18 at 7:24
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The limit does not exist if $x in R$
because $lim f(x)^g(x)$ requirs $f(x)ge 0$
if we apply this condition on our limit it becomes $$frac1x-1 ge 0$$
$$frac1x ge 1 $$
$$x le 1 $$
Thank you so much! :)
â Kate
Aug 18 at 4:07
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The limit is in the form $(-1)^infty$ which intuitively does not converge to a value or exist.
Thanks, that makes it so much simpler!
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Aug 18 at 7:24
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3 Answers
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active
oldest
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active
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up vote
1
down vote
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The limit does not exist. To see this, first pull out $-1$ from the base of the exponent
$$left(frac1x-1right)^x=(-1)^xleft(1-frac1xright)^x$$
Now there is a common identity which you may already know of that states $$lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=e^a$$
Therefore, the factor of $left(1-frac1xright)^x$ converges to $e^-1$, but $(-1)^x$ does not converge at all, and so the limit you gave does not exist.
To see why the identity holds, its easier to first see that $lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y$ by setting $y=1/x$. Then,
$$lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y = L$$
$$lim_yto 0frac1ylogleft(1+ayright) = log L$$
Using L'Hopital's rule we see that
$$lim_yto 0fraclogleft(1+ayright)y = lim_yto 0fraca/left(1+ayright)1=a=log L$$
Thus $L=e^a$.
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Thank you rikhavshah! :D
â Kate
Aug 18 at 7:24
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The limit does not exist. To see this, first pull out $-1$ from the base of the exponent
$$left(frac1x-1right)^x=(-1)^xleft(1-frac1xright)^x$$
Now there is a common identity which you may already know of that states $$lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=e^a$$
Therefore, the factor of $left(1-frac1xright)^x$ converges to $e^-1$, but $(-1)^x$ does not converge at all, and so the limit you gave does not exist.
To see why the identity holds, its easier to first see that $lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y$ by setting $y=1/x$. Then,
$$lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y = L$$
$$lim_yto 0frac1ylogleft(1+ayright) = log L$$
Using L'Hopital's rule we see that
$$lim_yto 0fraclogleft(1+ayright)y = lim_yto 0fraca/left(1+ayright)1=a=log L$$
Thus $L=e^a$.
1
Thank you rikhavshah! :D
â Kate
Aug 18 at 7:24
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up vote
1
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up vote
1
down vote
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The limit does not exist. To see this, first pull out $-1$ from the base of the exponent
$$left(frac1x-1right)^x=(-1)^xleft(1-frac1xright)^x$$
Now there is a common identity which you may already know of that states $$lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=e^a$$
Therefore, the factor of $left(1-frac1xright)^x$ converges to $e^-1$, but $(-1)^x$ does not converge at all, and so the limit you gave does not exist.
To see why the identity holds, its easier to first see that $lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y$ by setting $y=1/x$. Then,
$$lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y = L$$
$$lim_yto 0frac1ylogleft(1+ayright) = log L$$
Using L'Hopital's rule we see that
$$lim_yto 0fraclogleft(1+ayright)y = lim_yto 0fraca/left(1+ayright)1=a=log L$$
Thus $L=e^a$.
The limit does not exist. To see this, first pull out $-1$ from the base of the exponent
$$left(frac1x-1right)^x=(-1)^xleft(1-frac1xright)^x$$
Now there is a common identity which you may already know of that states $$lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=e^a$$
Therefore, the factor of $left(1-frac1xright)^x$ converges to $e^-1$, but $(-1)^x$ does not converge at all, and so the limit you gave does not exist.
To see why the identity holds, its easier to first see that $lim_xto inftyleft(1+fracaxright)^x=lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y$ by setting $y=1/x$. Then,
$$lim_yto 0left(1+ayright)^1/y = L$$
$$lim_yto 0frac1ylogleft(1+ayright) = log L$$
Using L'Hopital's rule we see that
$$lim_yto 0fraclogleft(1+ayright)y = lim_yto 0fraca/left(1+ayright)1=a=log L$$
Thus $L=e^a$.
edited Aug 18 at 4:33
answered Aug 18 at 4:26
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Thank you rikhavshah! :D
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Thank you rikhavshah! :D
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Aug 18 at 7:24
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Thank you rikhavshah! :D
â Kate
Aug 18 at 7:24
Thank you rikhavshah! :D
â Kate
Aug 18 at 7:24
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The limit does not exist if $x in R$
because $lim f(x)^g(x)$ requirs $f(x)ge 0$
if we apply this condition on our limit it becomes $$frac1x-1 ge 0$$
$$frac1x ge 1 $$
$$x le 1 $$
Thank you so much! :)
â Kate
Aug 18 at 4:07
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
The limit does not exist if $x in R$
because $lim f(x)^g(x)$ requirs $f(x)ge 0$
if we apply this condition on our limit it becomes $$frac1x-1 ge 0$$
$$frac1x ge 1 $$
$$x le 1 $$
Thank you so much! :)
â Kate
Aug 18 at 4:07
add a comment |Â
up vote
2
down vote
up vote
2
down vote
The limit does not exist if $x in R$
because $lim f(x)^g(x)$ requirs $f(x)ge 0$
if we apply this condition on our limit it becomes $$frac1x-1 ge 0$$
$$frac1x ge 1 $$
$$x le 1 $$
The limit does not exist if $x in R$
because $lim f(x)^g(x)$ requirs $f(x)ge 0$
if we apply this condition on our limit it becomes $$frac1x-1 ge 0$$
$$frac1x ge 1 $$
$$x le 1 $$
edited Aug 18 at 4:07
answered Aug 18 at 4:03
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Thank you so much! :)
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Aug 18 at 4:07
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Thank you so much! :)
â Kate
Aug 18 at 4:07
Thank you so much! :)
â Kate
Aug 18 at 4:07
Thank you so much! :)
â Kate
Aug 18 at 4:07
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The limit is in the form $(-1)^infty$ which intuitively does not converge to a value or exist.
Thanks, that makes it so much simpler!
â Kate
Aug 18 at 7:24
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The limit is in the form $(-1)^infty$ which intuitively does not converge to a value or exist.
Thanks, that makes it so much simpler!
â Kate
Aug 18 at 7:24
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The limit is in the form $(-1)^infty$ which intuitively does not converge to a value or exist.
The limit is in the form $(-1)^infty$ which intuitively does not converge to a value or exist.
answered Aug 18 at 4:15
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Thanks, that makes it so much simpler!
â Kate
Aug 18 at 7:24
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Thanks, that makes it so much simpler!
â Kate
Aug 18 at 7:24
Thanks, that makes it so much simpler!
â Kate
Aug 18 at 7:24
Thanks, that makes it so much simpler!
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Aug 18 at 7:24
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What is the value of $left(frac1x-1right)^x$ for $x=2.5$?
â Math Lover
Aug 18 at 3:54
wolframalpha.com/input/â¦
â mnulb
Aug 18 at 3:57
@MathLover Thank you!! I got it after your comment (and after plotting the function using desmos!)!
â Kate
Aug 18 at 4:06
Something is wrong here. As $xto infty$ the expression $frac1x-1$ is negative, and it makes no sense to raise a negative value to a arbitrary positive real power $x$. Please check the source of your Question and edit the statement as necessary.
â hardmath
Aug 18 at 16:23
@hardmath I got this question off of my university's test and I can assure you it's correct. And yeah you're right it doesn't make sense, I think the point of the question is to see that the limit does not exist. (And the answer was indeed that)
â Kate
Aug 19 at 2:00