Is liberation for mind or Atman?
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When we see all the practices from vedas, puranas, Yoga, and all scriptures, ithihasa, the theme has been to purify the mind and detach it from world. They never talked about on how to grow your Atman for liberation etc..
All instructions, the methods of practice, seems everything related to mind. Thus, my question is - Is liberation for mind? If so, then is Atman already free? If that's the case, then I think mind is sole reason for our existence in this world.
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When we see all the practices from vedas, puranas, Yoga, and all scriptures, ithihasa, the theme has been to purify the mind and detach it from world. They never talked about on how to grow your Atman for liberation etc..
All instructions, the methods of practice, seems everything related to mind. Thus, my question is - Is liberation for mind? If so, then is Atman already free? If that's the case, then I think mind is sole reason for our existence in this world.
atma
asked Aug 18 at 2:49
Akshay Kumar S
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That's fine but if we see right from when we wake up, till sleep, every action we do arises from mind. From brushing to eating. If there's no mind, we don't need food I suppose.
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 3:11
If we see basic action of our life - everything from thoughts which is the mind. Thus, every true spiritual master says purify the mind and mind is the cause of all miseries. But when you look at Lord Krishna - he directly reveals Souls true nature by saying - OUR ATTACHMENT IS CAUSE OF MISERIES. This line tempted me to throw this question. @UdayKrishna
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 3:19
When Mann loses its identity and becomes Atman, it's referred as liberation. There is also Buddhi between these 2. The realisation to Atman (or ParamAtman) happens with Neti Neti (not this, not this). So paradoxically, whatever 'state' our Mann perceives as liberation, is not liberation.
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Aug 18 at 8:23
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When we see all the practices from vedas, puranas, Yoga, and all scriptures, ithihasa, the theme has been to purify the mind and detach it from world. They never talked about on how to grow your Atman for liberation etc..
All instructions, the methods of practice, seems everything related to mind. Thus, my question is - Is liberation for mind? If so, then is Atman already free? If that's the case, then I think mind is sole reason for our existence in this world.
atma
asked Aug 18 at 2:49
Akshay Kumar S
395112
When we see all the practices from vedas, puranas, Yoga, and all scriptures, ithihasa, the theme has been to purify the mind and detach it from world. They never talked about on how to grow your Atman for liberation etc..
All instructions, the methods of practice, seems everything related to mind. Thus, my question is - Is liberation for mind? If so, then is Atman already free? If that's the case, then I think mind is sole reason for our existence in this world.
atma
asked Aug 18 at 2:49
Akshay Kumar S
395112
asked Aug 18 at 2:49
Akshay Kumar S
395112
asked Aug 18 at 2:49
Akshay Kumar S
395112
asked Aug 18 at 2:49
Akshay Kumar S
395112
395112
That's fine but if we see right from when we wake up, till sleep, every action we do arises from mind. From brushing to eating. If there's no mind, we don't need food I suppose.
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 3:11
If we see basic action of our life - everything from thoughts which is the mind. Thus, every true spiritual master says purify the mind and mind is the cause of all miseries. But when you look at Lord Krishna - he directly reveals Souls true nature by saying - OUR ATTACHMENT IS CAUSE OF MISERIES. This line tempted me to throw this question. @UdayKrishna
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 3:19
When Mann loses its identity and becomes Atman, it's referred as liberation. There is also Buddhi between these 2. The realisation to Atman (or ParamAtman) happens with Neti Neti (not this, not this). So paradoxically, whatever 'state' our Mann perceives as liberation, is not liberation.
– iammilind
Aug 18 at 8:23
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That's fine but if we see right from when we wake up, till sleep, every action we do arises from mind. From brushing to eating. If there's no mind, we don't need food I suppose.
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 3:11
If we see basic action of our life - everything from thoughts which is the mind. Thus, every true spiritual master says purify the mind and mind is the cause of all miseries. But when you look at Lord Krishna - he directly reveals Souls true nature by saying - OUR ATTACHMENT IS CAUSE OF MISERIES. This line tempted me to throw this question. @UdayKrishna
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 3:19
When Mann loses its identity and becomes Atman, it's referred as liberation. There is also Buddhi between these 2. The realisation to Atman (or ParamAtman) happens with Neti Neti (not this, not this). So paradoxically, whatever 'state' our Mann perceives as liberation, is not liberation.
– iammilind
Aug 18 at 8:23
That's fine but if we see right from when we wake up, till sleep, every action we do arises from mind. From brushing to eating. If there's no mind, we don't need food I suppose.
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 3:11
That's fine but if we see right from when we wake up, till sleep, every action we do arises from mind. From brushing to eating. If there's no mind, we don't need food I suppose.
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 3:11
If we see basic action of our life - everything from thoughts which is the mind. Thus, every true spiritual master says purify the mind and mind is the cause of all miseries. But when you look at Lord Krishna - he directly reveals Souls true nature by saying - OUR ATTACHMENT IS CAUSE OF MISERIES. This line tempted me to throw this question. @UdayKrishna
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 3:19
If we see basic action of our life - everything from thoughts which is the mind. Thus, every true spiritual master says purify the mind and mind is the cause of all miseries. But when you look at Lord Krishna - he directly reveals Souls true nature by saying - OUR ATTACHMENT IS CAUSE OF MISERIES. This line tempted me to throw this question. @UdayKrishna
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 3:19
When Mann loses its identity and becomes Atman, it's referred as liberation. There is also Buddhi between these 2. The realisation to Atman (or ParamAtman) happens with Neti Neti (not this, not this). So paradoxically, whatever 'state' our Mann perceives as liberation, is not liberation.
– iammilind
Aug 18 at 8:23
When Mann loses its identity and becomes Atman, it's referred as liberation. There is also Buddhi between these 2. The realisation to Atman (or ParamAtman) happens with Neti Neti (not this, not this). So paradoxically, whatever 'state' our Mann perceives as liberation, is not liberation.
– iammilind
Aug 18 at 8:23
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What we perceive as consciousness through our mind is contained in Atman only. Atman is pure consciousness. It is the cause of consciousness which is played by the "mind" in the human body.
Kena Upanishad Chapter One:
IV
That which speech does not illumine, but which illumines
speech: know that alone to be the Brahman (the Supreme Being), not
this which people worship here.
V
That which cannot be thought by mind, but by which, they say,
mind is able to think: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this
which people worship here.
VI
That which is not seen by the eye, but by which the eye is able
to see: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this which people
worship here.
VII
That which cannot be heard by the ear, but by which the ear is
able to hear: know that alone to be Brahman, not this which people
worship here.
VIII
That which none breathes with the breath, but by which breath
is in–breathed: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this which
people worship here. Ordinarily we know three states of consciousness
only – waking, dreaming and sleeping. There is, however, a fourth
state, the superconscious, which transcends these. In the first three
states the mind is not clear enough to save us from error; but in the
fourth state it gains such purity of vision that it can perceive the
Divine. If God could be known by the limited mind and senses, then
God–knowledge would be like any other knowledge and spiritual science
like any physical science. He can be known, however, by the purified
mind only. Therefore to know God, man must purify himself. The mind
described in the Upanishads is the superconscious mind. According to
the Vedic Sages the mind in its ordinary state is only another sense
organ. This mind is limited, but when it becomes illumined by the
light of the Cosmic Intelligence, or the “mind of the mind,†then it
is able to apprehend the First Cause or That which stands behind all
external activities.
answered Aug 18 at 4:23
Arkaprabha Majumdar
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Thus we can say consciousness at physical level is mind & at higher stage is Atman?
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 4:24
Consciousness at every level is Atman. It is only compressed into a limited entity when it assumes the Antahkarana (Totality of the mind) consisting of Manas, Buddhi, Chitta and Ahamkara. Mind is anyway an English word, and it is not convenient in Vedic philosophy. In Vedic metaphysics, the mind is heavily dissected.
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:26
So we falsely assume that we are this mind due to interaction of senses and its perception. The moment we detach ourselves from this, we can understand this is nothing but Maya!
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 4:41
Absolutely, thats it
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:45
1
You need a Guru to convert the theoretical info into practical. And technically Moksha is attained when you realize Satchidananda.
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:52
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What we perceive as consciousness through our mind is contained in Atman only. Atman is pure consciousness. It is the cause of consciousness which is played by the "mind" in the human body.
Kena Upanishad Chapter One:
IV
That which speech does not illumine, but which illumines
speech: know that alone to be the Brahman (the Supreme Being), not
this which people worship here.
V
That which cannot be thought by mind, but by which, they say,
mind is able to think: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this
which people worship here.
VI
That which is not seen by the eye, but by which the eye is able
to see: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this which people
worship here.
VII
That which cannot be heard by the ear, but by which the ear is
able to hear: know that alone to be Brahman, not this which people
worship here.
VIII
That which none breathes with the breath, but by which breath
is in–breathed: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this which
people worship here. Ordinarily we know three states of consciousness
only – waking, dreaming and sleeping. There is, however, a fourth
state, the superconscious, which transcends these. In the first three
states the mind is not clear enough to save us from error; but in the
fourth state it gains such purity of vision that it can perceive the
Divine. If God could be known by the limited mind and senses, then
God–knowledge would be like any other knowledge and spiritual science
like any physical science. He can be known, however, by the purified
mind only. Therefore to know God, man must purify himself. The mind
described in the Upanishads is the superconscious mind. According to
the Vedic Sages the mind in its ordinary state is only another sense
organ. This mind is limited, but when it becomes illumined by the
light of the Cosmic Intelligence, or the “mind of the mind,†then it
is able to apprehend the First Cause or That which stands behind all
external activities.
answered Aug 18 at 4:23
Arkaprabha Majumdar
2,380323
Thus we can say consciousness at physical level is mind & at higher stage is Atman?
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 4:24
Consciousness at every level is Atman. It is only compressed into a limited entity when it assumes the Antahkarana (Totality of the mind) consisting of Manas, Buddhi, Chitta and Ahamkara. Mind is anyway an English word, and it is not convenient in Vedic philosophy. In Vedic metaphysics, the mind is heavily dissected.
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:26
So we falsely assume that we are this mind due to interaction of senses and its perception. The moment we detach ourselves from this, we can understand this is nothing but Maya!
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 4:41
Absolutely, thats it
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:45
1
You need a Guru to convert the theoretical info into practical. And technically Moksha is attained when you realize Satchidananda.
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:52
 |Â
show 1 more comment
up vote
3
down vote
What we perceive as consciousness through our mind is contained in Atman only. Atman is pure consciousness. It is the cause of consciousness which is played by the "mind" in the human body.
Kena Upanishad Chapter One:
IV
That which speech does not illumine, but which illumines
speech: know that alone to be the Brahman (the Supreme Being), not
this which people worship here.
V
That which cannot be thought by mind, but by which, they say,
mind is able to think: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this
which people worship here.
VI
That which is not seen by the eye, but by which the eye is able
to see: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this which people
worship here.
VII
That which cannot be heard by the ear, but by which the ear is
able to hear: know that alone to be Brahman, not this which people
worship here.
VIII
That which none breathes with the breath, but by which breath
is in–breathed: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this which
people worship here. Ordinarily we know three states of consciousness
only – waking, dreaming and sleeping. There is, however, a fourth
state, the superconscious, which transcends these. In the first three
states the mind is not clear enough to save us from error; but in the
fourth state it gains such purity of vision that it can perceive the
Divine. If God could be known by the limited mind and senses, then
God–knowledge would be like any other knowledge and spiritual science
like any physical science. He can be known, however, by the purified
mind only. Therefore to know God, man must purify himself. The mind
described in the Upanishads is the superconscious mind. According to
the Vedic Sages the mind in its ordinary state is only another sense
organ. This mind is limited, but when it becomes illumined by the
light of the Cosmic Intelligence, or the “mind of the mind,†then it
is able to apprehend the First Cause or That which stands behind all
external activities.
answered Aug 18 at 4:23
Arkaprabha Majumdar
2,380323
Thus we can say consciousness at physical level is mind & at higher stage is Atman?
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 4:24
Consciousness at every level is Atman. It is only compressed into a limited entity when it assumes the Antahkarana (Totality of the mind) consisting of Manas, Buddhi, Chitta and Ahamkara. Mind is anyway an English word, and it is not convenient in Vedic philosophy. In Vedic metaphysics, the mind is heavily dissected.
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:26
So we falsely assume that we are this mind due to interaction of senses and its perception. The moment we detach ourselves from this, we can understand this is nothing but Maya!
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 4:41
Absolutely, thats it
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:45
1
You need a Guru to convert the theoretical info into practical. And technically Moksha is attained when you realize Satchidananda.
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:52
 |Â
show 1 more comment
up vote
3
down vote
up vote
3
down vote
What we perceive as consciousness through our mind is contained in Atman only. Atman is pure consciousness. It is the cause of consciousness which is played by the "mind" in the human body.
Kena Upanishad Chapter One:
IV
That which speech does not illumine, but which illumines
speech: know that alone to be the Brahman (the Supreme Being), not
this which people worship here.
V
That which cannot be thought by mind, but by which, they say,
mind is able to think: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this
which people worship here.
VI
That which is not seen by the eye, but by which the eye is able
to see: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this which people
worship here.
VII
That which cannot be heard by the ear, but by which the ear is
able to hear: know that alone to be Brahman, not this which people
worship here.
VIII
That which none breathes with the breath, but by which breath
is in–breathed: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this which
people worship here. Ordinarily we know three states of consciousness
only – waking, dreaming and sleeping. There is, however, a fourth
state, the superconscious, which transcends these. In the first three
states the mind is not clear enough to save us from error; but in the
fourth state it gains such purity of vision that it can perceive the
Divine. If God could be known by the limited mind and senses, then
God–knowledge would be like any other knowledge and spiritual science
like any physical science. He can be known, however, by the purified
mind only. Therefore to know God, man must purify himself. The mind
described in the Upanishads is the superconscious mind. According to
the Vedic Sages the mind in its ordinary state is only another sense
organ. This mind is limited, but when it becomes illumined by the
light of the Cosmic Intelligence, or the “mind of the mind,†then it
is able to apprehend the First Cause or That which stands behind all
external activities.
answered Aug 18 at 4:23
Arkaprabha Majumdar
2,380323
What we perceive as consciousness through our mind is contained in Atman only. Atman is pure consciousness. It is the cause of consciousness which is played by the "mind" in the human body.
Kena Upanishad Chapter One:
IV
That which speech does not illumine, but which illumines
speech: know that alone to be the Brahman (the Supreme Being), not
this which people worship here.
V
That which cannot be thought by mind, but by which, they say,
mind is able to think: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this
which people worship here.
VI
That which is not seen by the eye, but by which the eye is able
to see: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this which people
worship here.
VII
That which cannot be heard by the ear, but by which the ear is
able to hear: know that alone to be Brahman, not this which people
worship here.
VIII
That which none breathes with the breath, but by which breath
is in–breathed: know that alone to be the Brahman, not this which
people worship here. Ordinarily we know three states of consciousness
only – waking, dreaming and sleeping. There is, however, a fourth
state, the superconscious, which transcends these. In the first three
states the mind is not clear enough to save us from error; but in the
fourth state it gains such purity of vision that it can perceive the
Divine. If God could be known by the limited mind and senses, then
God–knowledge would be like any other knowledge and spiritual science
like any physical science. He can be known, however, by the purified
mind only. Therefore to know God, man must purify himself. The mind
described in the Upanishads is the superconscious mind. According to
the Vedic Sages the mind in its ordinary state is only another sense
organ. This mind is limited, but when it becomes illumined by the
light of the Cosmic Intelligence, or the “mind of the mind,†then it
is able to apprehend the First Cause or That which stands behind all
external activities.
answered Aug 18 at 4:23
Arkaprabha Majumdar
2,380323
answered Aug 18 at 4:23
Arkaprabha Majumdar
2,380323
answered Aug 18 at 4:23
Arkaprabha Majumdar
2,380323
answered Aug 18 at 4:23
Arkaprabha Majumdar
2,380323
2,380323
Thus we can say consciousness at physical level is mind & at higher stage is Atman?
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 4:24
Consciousness at every level is Atman. It is only compressed into a limited entity when it assumes the Antahkarana (Totality of the mind) consisting of Manas, Buddhi, Chitta and Ahamkara. Mind is anyway an English word, and it is not convenient in Vedic philosophy. In Vedic metaphysics, the mind is heavily dissected.
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:26
So we falsely assume that we are this mind due to interaction of senses and its perception. The moment we detach ourselves from this, we can understand this is nothing but Maya!
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 4:41
Absolutely, thats it
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:45
1
You need a Guru to convert the theoretical info into practical. And technically Moksha is attained when you realize Satchidananda.
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:52
 |Â
show 1 more comment
Thus we can say consciousness at physical level is mind & at higher stage is Atman?
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 4:24
Consciousness at every level is Atman. It is only compressed into a limited entity when it assumes the Antahkarana (Totality of the mind) consisting of Manas, Buddhi, Chitta and Ahamkara. Mind is anyway an English word, and it is not convenient in Vedic philosophy. In Vedic metaphysics, the mind is heavily dissected.
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:26
So we falsely assume that we are this mind due to interaction of senses and its perception. The moment we detach ourselves from this, we can understand this is nothing but Maya!
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 4:41
Absolutely, thats it
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:45
1
You need a Guru to convert the theoretical info into practical. And technically Moksha is attained when you realize Satchidananda.
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:52
Thus we can say consciousness at physical level is mind & at higher stage is Atman?
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 4:24
Thus we can say consciousness at physical level is mind & at higher stage is Atman?
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 4:24
Consciousness at every level is Atman. It is only compressed into a limited entity when it assumes the Antahkarana (Totality of the mind) consisting of Manas, Buddhi, Chitta and Ahamkara. Mind is anyway an English word, and it is not convenient in Vedic philosophy. In Vedic metaphysics, the mind is heavily dissected.
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:26
Consciousness at every level is Atman. It is only compressed into a limited entity when it assumes the Antahkarana (Totality of the mind) consisting of Manas, Buddhi, Chitta and Ahamkara. Mind is anyway an English word, and it is not convenient in Vedic philosophy. In Vedic metaphysics, the mind is heavily dissected.
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:26
So we falsely assume that we are this mind due to interaction of senses and its perception. The moment we detach ourselves from this, we can understand this is nothing but Maya!
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 4:41
So we falsely assume that we are this mind due to interaction of senses and its perception. The moment we detach ourselves from this, we can understand this is nothing but Maya!
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 4:41
Absolutely, thats it
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:45
Absolutely, thats it
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:45
1
1
You need a Guru to convert the theoretical info into practical. And technically Moksha is attained when you realize Satchidananda.
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:52
You need a Guru to convert the theoretical info into practical. And technically Moksha is attained when you realize Satchidananda.
– Arkaprabha Majumdar
Aug 18 at 4:52
 |Â
show 1 more comment
That's fine but if we see right from when we wake up, till sleep, every action we do arises from mind. From brushing to eating. If there's no mind, we don't need food I suppose.
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 3:11
If we see basic action of our life - everything from thoughts which is the mind. Thus, every true spiritual master says purify the mind and mind is the cause of all miseries. But when you look at Lord Krishna - he directly reveals Souls true nature by saying - OUR ATTACHMENT IS CAUSE OF MISERIES. This line tempted me to throw this question. @UdayKrishna
– Akshay Kumar S
Aug 18 at 3:19
When Mann loses its identity and becomes Atman, it's referred as liberation. There is also Buddhi between these 2. The realisation to Atman (or ParamAtman) happens with Neti Neti (not this, not this). So paradoxically, whatever 'state' our Mann perceives as liberation, is not liberation.
– iammilind
Aug 18 at 8:23