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Let $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$. Determine the minimum value taken by $f(x)$ for $x$ in the interval $p leq xleq15$.




I'm not sure what the question is asking for, because at least the way I understand it, there is no minimum value of x! You can sub any real number x into the function, and it will work. At most, given the that $p leq xleq15$, the minimum value of x is that 1>x>0!



Can someone tell me what the question wants me to do, without telling me how to solve the question?







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  • for example |x-1|+|x-2| have minimum value at $x in [1,2]$you have to find that x for which f(x) is minimum
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  • For $x$ in the given interval, you can simplify a couple of the absolute values expressions.
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I've encountered this problem:




Let $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$. Determine the minimum value taken by $f(x)$ for $x$ in the interval $p leq xleq15$.




I'm not sure what the question is asking for, because at least the way I understand it, there is no minimum value of x! You can sub any real number x into the function, and it will work. At most, given the that $p leq xleq15$, the minimum value of x is that 1>x>0!



Can someone tell me what the question wants me to do, without telling me how to solve the question?







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  • for example |x-1|+|x-2| have minimum value at $x in [1,2]$you have to find that x for which f(x) is minimum
    – James
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  • For $x$ in the given interval, you can simplify a couple of the absolute values expressions.
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    Aug 18 at 3:54












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I've encountered this problem:




Let $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$. Determine the minimum value taken by $f(x)$ for $x$ in the interval $p leq xleq15$.




I'm not sure what the question is asking for, because at least the way I understand it, there is no minimum value of x! You can sub any real number x into the function, and it will work. At most, given the that $p leq xleq15$, the minimum value of x is that 1>x>0!



Can someone tell me what the question wants me to do, without telling me how to solve the question?







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I've encountered this problem:




Let $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$. Determine the minimum value taken by $f(x)$ for $x$ in the interval $p leq xleq15$.




I'm not sure what the question is asking for, because at least the way I understand it, there is no minimum value of x! You can sub any real number x into the function, and it will work. At most, given the that $p leq xleq15$, the minimum value of x is that 1>x>0!



Can someone tell me what the question wants me to do, without telling me how to solve the question?









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  • for example |x-1|+|x-2| have minimum value at $x in [1,2]$you have to find that x for which f(x) is minimum
    – James
    Aug 18 at 3:37











  • For $x$ in the given interval, you can simplify a couple of the absolute values expressions.
    – John Wayland Bales
    Aug 18 at 3:54
















  • for example |x-1|+|x-2| have minimum value at $x in [1,2]$you have to find that x for which f(x) is minimum
    – James
    Aug 18 at 3:37











  • For $x$ in the given interval, you can simplify a couple of the absolute values expressions.
    – John Wayland Bales
    Aug 18 at 3:54















for example |x-1|+|x-2| have minimum value at $x in [1,2]$you have to find that x for which f(x) is minimum
– James
Aug 18 at 3:37





for example |x-1|+|x-2| have minimum value at $x in [1,2]$you have to find that x for which f(x) is minimum
– James
Aug 18 at 3:37













For $x$ in the given interval, you can simplify a couple of the absolute values expressions.
– John Wayland Bales
Aug 18 at 3:54




For $x$ in the given interval, you can simplify a couple of the absolute values expressions.
– John Wayland Bales
Aug 18 at 3:54










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We are not asked for the value of $x$ that makes a minimum, we are asked for the minimum value of $f(x)$. As $f(x)$ is a sum of absolute values it is always nonnegative. Therefore $0$ is a lower bound, so the set of possible values has a greatest lower bound, which is what we are asked for.



As the question is asked it implies that the answer is independent of $p$ when $p$ is in the given range. I would try $p=1$ and $p=14$ and see what I find.



When I did that the minimum was $15$ at $x=15$ in both cases. You can justify that.






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  • I would not say that the statement of the problem implies that the minimum is independent of $p$. For example: Let $g(x)=x^2+(r-x)^2$ where $rin Bbb R.$ Determine $min g(x):xin Bbb R.$ Wouldn't you answer $r^2/2$?
    – DanielWainfleet
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  • @DanielWainfleet: I believe we were asked for and answer independent of $p$. Your question is much harder. I would be torn between answering $r^2/2$ and punching you in the nose for asking a question without an answer because it shouldn't depend on $r$. This is English, not math, and not a part that many have experience with. I don't think there is a correct answer.
    – Ross Millikan
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Given $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$, the minimum of $f(x)$ in $p leq xleq15$ would be:
$$xge p Rightarrow x-pge 0 Rightarrow |x-p|=x-p; \
xle 15 Rightarrow x-15le 0 Rightarrow |x-15|=15-x;\
xle 15 textand p>0 Rightarrow x-15-p<0 Rightarrow |x-p-15|=15+p-x;\
f(x)=x-p+15-x+15+p-x=30-x;\
f_min(15)=15.$$






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    We are not asked for the value of $x$ that makes a minimum, we are asked for the minimum value of $f(x)$. As $f(x)$ is a sum of absolute values it is always nonnegative. Therefore $0$ is a lower bound, so the set of possible values has a greatest lower bound, which is what we are asked for.



    As the question is asked it implies that the answer is independent of $p$ when $p$ is in the given range. I would try $p=1$ and $p=14$ and see what I find.



    When I did that the minimum was $15$ at $x=15$ in both cases. You can justify that.






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    • I would not say that the statement of the problem implies that the minimum is independent of $p$. For example: Let $g(x)=x^2+(r-x)^2$ where $rin Bbb R.$ Determine $min g(x):xin Bbb R.$ Wouldn't you answer $r^2/2$?
      – DanielWainfleet
      Aug 18 at 4:54










    • @DanielWainfleet: I believe we were asked for and answer independent of $p$. Your question is much harder. I would be torn between answering $r^2/2$ and punching you in the nose for asking a question without an answer because it shouldn't depend on $r$. This is English, not math, and not a part that many have experience with. I don't think there is a correct answer.
      – Ross Millikan
      Aug 18 at 5:02














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    We are not asked for the value of $x$ that makes a minimum, we are asked for the minimum value of $f(x)$. As $f(x)$ is a sum of absolute values it is always nonnegative. Therefore $0$ is a lower bound, so the set of possible values has a greatest lower bound, which is what we are asked for.



    As the question is asked it implies that the answer is independent of $p$ when $p$ is in the given range. I would try $p=1$ and $p=14$ and see what I find.



    When I did that the minimum was $15$ at $x=15$ in both cases. You can justify that.






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    • I would not say that the statement of the problem implies that the minimum is independent of $p$. For example: Let $g(x)=x^2+(r-x)^2$ where $rin Bbb R.$ Determine $min g(x):xin Bbb R.$ Wouldn't you answer $r^2/2$?
      – DanielWainfleet
      Aug 18 at 4:54










    • @DanielWainfleet: I believe we were asked for and answer independent of $p$. Your question is much harder. I would be torn between answering $r^2/2$ and punching you in the nose for asking a question without an answer because it shouldn't depend on $r$. This is English, not math, and not a part that many have experience with. I don't think there is a correct answer.
      – Ross Millikan
      Aug 18 at 5:02












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    We are not asked for the value of $x$ that makes a minimum, we are asked for the minimum value of $f(x)$. As $f(x)$ is a sum of absolute values it is always nonnegative. Therefore $0$ is a lower bound, so the set of possible values has a greatest lower bound, which is what we are asked for.



    As the question is asked it implies that the answer is independent of $p$ when $p$ is in the given range. I would try $p=1$ and $p=14$ and see what I find.



    When I did that the minimum was $15$ at $x=15$ in both cases. You can justify that.






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    We are not asked for the value of $x$ that makes a minimum, we are asked for the minimum value of $f(x)$. As $f(x)$ is a sum of absolute values it is always nonnegative. Therefore $0$ is a lower bound, so the set of possible values has a greatest lower bound, which is what we are asked for.



    As the question is asked it implies that the answer is independent of $p$ when $p$ is in the given range. I would try $p=1$ and $p=14$ and see what I find.



    When I did that the minimum was $15$ at $x=15$ in both cases. You can justify that.







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    • I would not say that the statement of the problem implies that the minimum is independent of $p$. For example: Let $g(x)=x^2+(r-x)^2$ where $rin Bbb R.$ Determine $min g(x):xin Bbb R.$ Wouldn't you answer $r^2/2$?
      – DanielWainfleet
      Aug 18 at 4:54










    • @DanielWainfleet: I believe we were asked for and answer independent of $p$. Your question is much harder. I would be torn between answering $r^2/2$ and punching you in the nose for asking a question without an answer because it shouldn't depend on $r$. This is English, not math, and not a part that many have experience with. I don't think there is a correct answer.
      – Ross Millikan
      Aug 18 at 5:02
















    • I would not say that the statement of the problem implies that the minimum is independent of $p$. For example: Let $g(x)=x^2+(r-x)^2$ where $rin Bbb R.$ Determine $min g(x):xin Bbb R.$ Wouldn't you answer $r^2/2$?
      – DanielWainfleet
      Aug 18 at 4:54










    • @DanielWainfleet: I believe we were asked for and answer independent of $p$. Your question is much harder. I would be torn between answering $r^2/2$ and punching you in the nose for asking a question without an answer because it shouldn't depend on $r$. This is English, not math, and not a part that many have experience with. I don't think there is a correct answer.
      – Ross Millikan
      Aug 18 at 5:02















    I would not say that the statement of the problem implies that the minimum is independent of $p$. For example: Let $g(x)=x^2+(r-x)^2$ where $rin Bbb R.$ Determine $min g(x):xin Bbb R.$ Wouldn't you answer $r^2/2$?
    – DanielWainfleet
    Aug 18 at 4:54




    I would not say that the statement of the problem implies that the minimum is independent of $p$. For example: Let $g(x)=x^2+(r-x)^2$ where $rin Bbb R.$ Determine $min g(x):xin Bbb R.$ Wouldn't you answer $r^2/2$?
    – DanielWainfleet
    Aug 18 at 4:54












    @DanielWainfleet: I believe we were asked for and answer independent of $p$. Your question is much harder. I would be torn between answering $r^2/2$ and punching you in the nose for asking a question without an answer because it shouldn't depend on $r$. This is English, not math, and not a part that many have experience with. I don't think there is a correct answer.
    – Ross Millikan
    Aug 18 at 5:02




    @DanielWainfleet: I believe we were asked for and answer independent of $p$. Your question is much harder. I would be torn between answering $r^2/2$ and punching you in the nose for asking a question without an answer because it shouldn't depend on $r$. This is English, not math, and not a part that many have experience with. I don't think there is a correct answer.
    – Ross Millikan
    Aug 18 at 5:02










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    Given $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$, the minimum of $f(x)$ in $p leq xleq15$ would be:
    $$xge p Rightarrow x-pge 0 Rightarrow |x-p|=x-p; \
    xle 15 Rightarrow x-15le 0 Rightarrow |x-15|=15-x;\
    xle 15 textand p>0 Rightarrow x-15-p<0 Rightarrow |x-p-15|=15+p-x;\
    f(x)=x-p+15-x+15+p-x=30-x;\
    f_min(15)=15.$$






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      Given $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$, the minimum of $f(x)$ in $p leq xleq15$ would be:
      $$xge p Rightarrow x-pge 0 Rightarrow |x-p|=x-p; \
      xle 15 Rightarrow x-15le 0 Rightarrow |x-15|=15-x;\
      xle 15 textand p>0 Rightarrow x-15-p<0 Rightarrow |x-p-15|=15+p-x;\
      f(x)=x-p+15-x+15+p-x=30-x;\
      f_min(15)=15.$$






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        Given $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$, the minimum of $f(x)$ in $p leq xleq15$ would be:
        $$xge p Rightarrow x-pge 0 Rightarrow |x-p|=x-p; \
        xle 15 Rightarrow x-15le 0 Rightarrow |x-15|=15-x;\
        xle 15 textand p>0 Rightarrow x-15-p<0 Rightarrow |x-p-15|=15+p-x;\
        f(x)=x-p+15-x+15+p-x=30-x;\
        f_min(15)=15.$$






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        Given $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$, the minimum of $f(x)$ in $p leq xleq15$ would be:
        $$xge p Rightarrow x-pge 0 Rightarrow |x-p|=x-p; \
        xle 15 Rightarrow x-15le 0 Rightarrow |x-15|=15-x;\
        xle 15 textand p>0 Rightarrow x-15-p<0 Rightarrow |x-p-15|=15+p-x;\
        f(x)=x-p+15-x+15+p-x=30-x;\
        f_min(15)=15.$$







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