AIME: I'm not sure what the question is asking for
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I've encountered this problem:
Let $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$. Determine the minimum value taken by $f(x)$ for $x$ in the interval $p leq xleq15$.
I'm not sure what the question is asking for, because at least the way I understand it, there is no minimum value of x! You can sub any real number x into the function, and it will work. At most, given the that $p leq xleq15$, the minimum value of x is that 1>x>0!
Can someone tell me what the question wants me to do, without telling me how to solve the question?
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I've encountered this problem:
Let $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$. Determine the minimum value taken by $f(x)$ for $x$ in the interval $p leq xleq15$.
I'm not sure what the question is asking for, because at least the way I understand it, there is no minimum value of x! You can sub any real number x into the function, and it will work. At most, given the that $p leq xleq15$, the minimum value of x is that 1>x>0!
Can someone tell me what the question wants me to do, without telling me how to solve the question?
inequality recreational-mathematics absolute-value
for example |x-1|+|x-2| have minimum value at $x in [1,2]$you have to find that x for which f(x) is minimum
â James
Aug 18 at 3:37
For $x$ in the given interval, you can simplify a couple of the absolute values expressions.
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Aug 18 at 3:54
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I've encountered this problem:
Let $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$. Determine the minimum value taken by $f(x)$ for $x$ in the interval $p leq xleq15$.
I'm not sure what the question is asking for, because at least the way I understand it, there is no minimum value of x! You can sub any real number x into the function, and it will work. At most, given the that $p leq xleq15$, the minimum value of x is that 1>x>0!
Can someone tell me what the question wants me to do, without telling me how to solve the question?
inequality recreational-mathematics absolute-value
I've encountered this problem:
Let $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$. Determine the minimum value taken by $f(x)$ for $x$ in the interval $p leq xleq15$.
I'm not sure what the question is asking for, because at least the way I understand it, there is no minimum value of x! You can sub any real number x into the function, and it will work. At most, given the that $p leq xleq15$, the minimum value of x is that 1>x>0!
Can someone tell me what the question wants me to do, without telling me how to solve the question?
inequality recreational-mathematics absolute-value
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for example |x-1|+|x-2| have minimum value at $x in [1,2]$you have to find that x for which f(x) is minimum
â James
Aug 18 at 3:37
For $x$ in the given interval, you can simplify a couple of the absolute values expressions.
â John Wayland Bales
Aug 18 at 3:54
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for example |x-1|+|x-2| have minimum value at $x in [1,2]$you have to find that x for which f(x) is minimum
â James
Aug 18 at 3:37
For $x$ in the given interval, you can simplify a couple of the absolute values expressions.
â John Wayland Bales
Aug 18 at 3:54
for example |x-1|+|x-2| have minimum value at $x in [1,2]$you have to find that x for which f(x) is minimum
â James
Aug 18 at 3:37
for example |x-1|+|x-2| have minimum value at $x in [1,2]$you have to find that x for which f(x) is minimum
â James
Aug 18 at 3:37
For $x$ in the given interval, you can simplify a couple of the absolute values expressions.
â John Wayland Bales
Aug 18 at 3:54
For $x$ in the given interval, you can simplify a couple of the absolute values expressions.
â John Wayland Bales
Aug 18 at 3:54
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We are not asked for the value of $x$ that makes a minimum, we are asked for the minimum value of $f(x)$. As $f(x)$ is a sum of absolute values it is always nonnegative. Therefore $0$ is a lower bound, so the set of possible values has a greatest lower bound, which is what we are asked for.
As the question is asked it implies that the answer is independent of $p$ when $p$ is in the given range. I would try $p=1$ and $p=14$ and see what I find.
When I did that the minimum was $15$ at $x=15$ in both cases. You can justify that.
I would not say that the statement of the problem implies that the minimum is independent of $p$. For example: Let $g(x)=x^2+(r-x)^2$ where $rin Bbb R.$ Determine $min g(x):xin Bbb R.$ Wouldn't you answer $r^2/2$?
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 18 at 4:54
@DanielWainfleet: I believe we were asked for and answer independent of $p$. Your question is much harder. I would be torn between answering $r^2/2$ and punching you in the nose for asking a question without an answer because it shouldn't depend on $r$. This is English, not math, and not a part that many have experience with. I don't think there is a correct answer.
â Ross Millikan
Aug 18 at 5:02
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Given $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$, the minimum of $f(x)$ in $p leq xleq15$ would be:
$$xge p Rightarrow x-pge 0 Rightarrow |x-p|=x-p; \
xle 15 Rightarrow x-15le 0 Rightarrow |x-15|=15-x;\
xle 15 textand p>0 Rightarrow x-15-p<0 Rightarrow |x-p-15|=15+p-x;\
f(x)=x-p+15-x+15+p-x=30-x;\
f_min(15)=15.$$
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We are not asked for the value of $x$ that makes a minimum, we are asked for the minimum value of $f(x)$. As $f(x)$ is a sum of absolute values it is always nonnegative. Therefore $0$ is a lower bound, so the set of possible values has a greatest lower bound, which is what we are asked for.
As the question is asked it implies that the answer is independent of $p$ when $p$ is in the given range. I would try $p=1$ and $p=14$ and see what I find.
When I did that the minimum was $15$ at $x=15$ in both cases. You can justify that.
I would not say that the statement of the problem implies that the minimum is independent of $p$. For example: Let $g(x)=x^2+(r-x)^2$ where $rin Bbb R.$ Determine $min g(x):xin Bbb R.$ Wouldn't you answer $r^2/2$?
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 18 at 4:54
@DanielWainfleet: I believe we were asked for and answer independent of $p$. Your question is much harder. I would be torn between answering $r^2/2$ and punching you in the nose for asking a question without an answer because it shouldn't depend on $r$. This is English, not math, and not a part that many have experience with. I don't think there is a correct answer.
â Ross Millikan
Aug 18 at 5:02
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We are not asked for the value of $x$ that makes a minimum, we are asked for the minimum value of $f(x)$. As $f(x)$ is a sum of absolute values it is always nonnegative. Therefore $0$ is a lower bound, so the set of possible values has a greatest lower bound, which is what we are asked for.
As the question is asked it implies that the answer is independent of $p$ when $p$ is in the given range. I would try $p=1$ and $p=14$ and see what I find.
When I did that the minimum was $15$ at $x=15$ in both cases. You can justify that.
I would not say that the statement of the problem implies that the minimum is independent of $p$. For example: Let $g(x)=x^2+(r-x)^2$ where $rin Bbb R.$ Determine $min g(x):xin Bbb R.$ Wouldn't you answer $r^2/2$?
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 18 at 4:54
@DanielWainfleet: I believe we were asked for and answer independent of $p$. Your question is much harder. I would be torn between answering $r^2/2$ and punching you in the nose for asking a question without an answer because it shouldn't depend on $r$. This is English, not math, and not a part that many have experience with. I don't think there is a correct answer.
â Ross Millikan
Aug 18 at 5:02
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We are not asked for the value of $x$ that makes a minimum, we are asked for the minimum value of $f(x)$. As $f(x)$ is a sum of absolute values it is always nonnegative. Therefore $0$ is a lower bound, so the set of possible values has a greatest lower bound, which is what we are asked for.
As the question is asked it implies that the answer is independent of $p$ when $p$ is in the given range. I would try $p=1$ and $p=14$ and see what I find.
When I did that the minimum was $15$ at $x=15$ in both cases. You can justify that.
We are not asked for the value of $x$ that makes a minimum, we are asked for the minimum value of $f(x)$. As $f(x)$ is a sum of absolute values it is always nonnegative. Therefore $0$ is a lower bound, so the set of possible values has a greatest lower bound, which is what we are asked for.
As the question is asked it implies that the answer is independent of $p$ when $p$ is in the given range. I would try $p=1$ and $p=14$ and see what I find.
When I did that the minimum was $15$ at $x=15$ in both cases. You can justify that.
answered Aug 18 at 3:58
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I would not say that the statement of the problem implies that the minimum is independent of $p$. For example: Let $g(x)=x^2+(r-x)^2$ where $rin Bbb R.$ Determine $min g(x):xin Bbb R.$ Wouldn't you answer $r^2/2$?
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 18 at 4:54
@DanielWainfleet: I believe we were asked for and answer independent of $p$. Your question is much harder. I would be torn between answering $r^2/2$ and punching you in the nose for asking a question without an answer because it shouldn't depend on $r$. This is English, not math, and not a part that many have experience with. I don't think there is a correct answer.
â Ross Millikan
Aug 18 at 5:02
add a comment |Â
I would not say that the statement of the problem implies that the minimum is independent of $p$. For example: Let $g(x)=x^2+(r-x)^2$ where $rin Bbb R.$ Determine $min g(x):xin Bbb R.$ Wouldn't you answer $r^2/2$?
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 18 at 4:54
@DanielWainfleet: I believe we were asked for and answer independent of $p$. Your question is much harder. I would be torn between answering $r^2/2$ and punching you in the nose for asking a question without an answer because it shouldn't depend on $r$. This is English, not math, and not a part that many have experience with. I don't think there is a correct answer.
â Ross Millikan
Aug 18 at 5:02
I would not say that the statement of the problem implies that the minimum is independent of $p$. For example: Let $g(x)=x^2+(r-x)^2$ where $rin Bbb R.$ Determine $min g(x):xin Bbb R.$ Wouldn't you answer $r^2/2$?
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 18 at 4:54
I would not say that the statement of the problem implies that the minimum is independent of $p$. For example: Let $g(x)=x^2+(r-x)^2$ where $rin Bbb R.$ Determine $min g(x):xin Bbb R.$ Wouldn't you answer $r^2/2$?
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 18 at 4:54
@DanielWainfleet: I believe we were asked for and answer independent of $p$. Your question is much harder. I would be torn between answering $r^2/2$ and punching you in the nose for asking a question without an answer because it shouldn't depend on $r$. This is English, not math, and not a part that many have experience with. I don't think there is a correct answer.
â Ross Millikan
Aug 18 at 5:02
@DanielWainfleet: I believe we were asked for and answer independent of $p$. Your question is much harder. I would be torn between answering $r^2/2$ and punching you in the nose for asking a question without an answer because it shouldn't depend on $r$. This is English, not math, and not a part that many have experience with. I don't think there is a correct answer.
â Ross Millikan
Aug 18 at 5:02
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Given $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$, the minimum of $f(x)$ in $p leq xleq15$ would be:
$$xge p Rightarrow x-pge 0 Rightarrow |x-p|=x-p; \
xle 15 Rightarrow x-15le 0 Rightarrow |x-15|=15-x;\
xle 15 textand p>0 Rightarrow x-15-p<0 Rightarrow |x-p-15|=15+p-x;\
f(x)=x-p+15-x+15+p-x=30-x;\
f_min(15)=15.$$
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Given $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$, the minimum of $f(x)$ in $p leq xleq15$ would be:
$$xge p Rightarrow x-pge 0 Rightarrow |x-p|=x-p; \
xle 15 Rightarrow x-15le 0 Rightarrow |x-15|=15-x;\
xle 15 textand p>0 Rightarrow x-15-p<0 Rightarrow |x-p-15|=15+p-x;\
f(x)=x-p+15-x+15+p-x=30-x;\
f_min(15)=15.$$
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Given $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$, the minimum of $f(x)$ in $p leq xleq15$ would be:
$$xge p Rightarrow x-pge 0 Rightarrow |x-p|=x-p; \
xle 15 Rightarrow x-15le 0 Rightarrow |x-15|=15-x;\
xle 15 textand p>0 Rightarrow x-15-p<0 Rightarrow |x-p-15|=15+p-x;\
f(x)=x-p+15-x+15+p-x=30-x;\
f_min(15)=15.$$
Given $f(x)=|x-p|+|x-15|+|x-p-15|$, where $0 < p < 15$, the minimum of $f(x)$ in $p leq xleq15$ would be:
$$xge p Rightarrow x-pge 0 Rightarrow |x-p|=x-p; \
xle 15 Rightarrow x-15le 0 Rightarrow |x-15|=15-x;\
xle 15 textand p>0 Rightarrow x-15-p<0 Rightarrow |x-p-15|=15+p-x;\
f(x)=x-p+15-x+15+p-x=30-x;\
f_min(15)=15.$$
answered Aug 18 at 5:26
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for example |x-1|+|x-2| have minimum value at $x in [1,2]$you have to find that x for which f(x) is minimum
â James
Aug 18 at 3:37
For $x$ in the given interval, you can simplify a couple of the absolute values expressions.
â John Wayland Bales
Aug 18 at 3:54