Proof for Liouville's theorem - Hamiltonian mechanics
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Studying analytical mechanics I encountered Liouville's theorem which states:
In phase spase, the Hamiltonian flow preserves volumes
The book I'm studying is Analytical Mechanics - A. Fasano, S. Marmi. They give the following proof which I'm having trouble to follow.
First of all they give the following definition for the canonical Hamilton's equations: $$dotmathbfx = mathcalJnabla_x mathcalH = mathbfX(mathbfx,t)$$ where $$beginalign&dotmathbfx = left(beginmatrixmathbfp\mathbfqendmatrixright)&mathcal J = left(beginmatrixmathbf0&-mathbbI\mathbbI&mathbf0endmatrixright)endalign$$ and they let us notice that
If $mathcalH$ has two continuous second derivatives with respect to $q_k$ and $p_k$, then $$nablacdotmathbfX(mathbfx,t) = 0$$ which clearly follows from Schwartz's theorem.
Then they proceed to give the proof for Liouville's theorem: we need to show that, fora any $t>0$, the image $Omega(t)$ of any domain $OmegasubsetmathbbR^2l$ with a regular boundary has the same measure as $Omega$. Consider the flow associated with any system of the type $$dotmathbfx = mathbfX(mathbfx,t)$$ Then we have that the variation of volume in time $dt$ can be expressed as $$d|Omega(t)|=int_partialOmega(t) mathbfXcdothatn,dsigma,dt$$ so that $$fracdt = int_partialOmega(t)mathbfXcdothatn,dsigma = int_OmeganablacdotmathbfX,d^2lmathbfx=0$$ where $|Omega(t)|$ is the measure of $Omega(t)$.
My problem with the proof is the bold statement. Why we can express the change in volume as that integral with the phase flow?. Is it because, in an intuitive way (in two dimensions), as the domain moves along the phase lines the only volume we get is the one defined by the lateral surface drawn by the phase lines in that time $dt$ around $Omega$? I'm a little bit confused.
P.S. I haven't posted this on Physics stack exchange because my problem seems to be more mathematical than physical.
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Studying analytical mechanics I encountered Liouville's theorem which states:
In phase spase, the Hamiltonian flow preserves volumes
The book I'm studying is Analytical Mechanics - A. Fasano, S. Marmi. They give the following proof which I'm having trouble to follow.
First of all they give the following definition for the canonical Hamilton's equations: $$dotmathbfx = mathcalJnabla_x mathcalH = mathbfX(mathbfx,t)$$ where $$beginalign&dotmathbfx = left(beginmatrixmathbfp\mathbfqendmatrixright)&mathcal J = left(beginmatrixmathbf0&-mathbbI\mathbbI&mathbf0endmatrixright)endalign$$ and they let us notice that
If $mathcalH$ has two continuous second derivatives with respect to $q_k$ and $p_k$, then $$nablacdotmathbfX(mathbfx,t) = 0$$ which clearly follows from Schwartz's theorem.
Then they proceed to give the proof for Liouville's theorem: we need to show that, fora any $t>0$, the image $Omega(t)$ of any domain $OmegasubsetmathbbR^2l$ with a regular boundary has the same measure as $Omega$. Consider the flow associated with any system of the type $$dotmathbfx = mathbfX(mathbfx,t)$$ Then we have that the variation of volume in time $dt$ can be expressed as $$d|Omega(t)|=int_partialOmega(t) mathbfXcdothatn,dsigma,dt$$ so that $$fracdt = int_partialOmega(t)mathbfXcdothatn,dsigma = int_OmeganablacdotmathbfX,d^2lmathbfx=0$$ where $|Omega(t)|$ is the measure of $Omega(t)$.
My problem with the proof is the bold statement. Why we can express the change in volume as that integral with the phase flow?. Is it because, in an intuitive way (in two dimensions), as the domain moves along the phase lines the only volume we get is the one defined by the lateral surface drawn by the phase lines in that time $dt$ around $Omega$? I'm a little bit confused.
P.S. I haven't posted this on Physics stack exchange because my problem seems to be more mathematical than physical.
proof-explanation volume classical-mechanics hamilton-equations
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Studying analytical mechanics I encountered Liouville's theorem which states:
In phase spase, the Hamiltonian flow preserves volumes
The book I'm studying is Analytical Mechanics - A. Fasano, S. Marmi. They give the following proof which I'm having trouble to follow.
First of all they give the following definition for the canonical Hamilton's equations: $$dotmathbfx = mathcalJnabla_x mathcalH = mathbfX(mathbfx,t)$$ where $$beginalign&dotmathbfx = left(beginmatrixmathbfp\mathbfqendmatrixright)&mathcal J = left(beginmatrixmathbf0&-mathbbI\mathbbI&mathbf0endmatrixright)endalign$$ and they let us notice that
If $mathcalH$ has two continuous second derivatives with respect to $q_k$ and $p_k$, then $$nablacdotmathbfX(mathbfx,t) = 0$$ which clearly follows from Schwartz's theorem.
Then they proceed to give the proof for Liouville's theorem: we need to show that, fora any $t>0$, the image $Omega(t)$ of any domain $OmegasubsetmathbbR^2l$ with a regular boundary has the same measure as $Omega$. Consider the flow associated with any system of the type $$dotmathbfx = mathbfX(mathbfx,t)$$ Then we have that the variation of volume in time $dt$ can be expressed as $$d|Omega(t)|=int_partialOmega(t) mathbfXcdothatn,dsigma,dt$$ so that $$fracdt = int_partialOmega(t)mathbfXcdothatn,dsigma = int_OmeganablacdotmathbfX,d^2lmathbfx=0$$ where $|Omega(t)|$ is the measure of $Omega(t)$.
My problem with the proof is the bold statement. Why we can express the change in volume as that integral with the phase flow?. Is it because, in an intuitive way (in two dimensions), as the domain moves along the phase lines the only volume we get is the one defined by the lateral surface drawn by the phase lines in that time $dt$ around $Omega$? I'm a little bit confused.
P.S. I haven't posted this on Physics stack exchange because my problem seems to be more mathematical than physical.
proof-explanation volume classical-mechanics hamilton-equations
Studying analytical mechanics I encountered Liouville's theorem which states:
In phase spase, the Hamiltonian flow preserves volumes
The book I'm studying is Analytical Mechanics - A. Fasano, S. Marmi. They give the following proof which I'm having trouble to follow.
First of all they give the following definition for the canonical Hamilton's equations: $$dotmathbfx = mathcalJnabla_x mathcalH = mathbfX(mathbfx,t)$$ where $$beginalign&dotmathbfx = left(beginmatrixmathbfp\mathbfqendmatrixright)&mathcal J = left(beginmatrixmathbf0&-mathbbI\mathbbI&mathbf0endmatrixright)endalign$$ and they let us notice that
If $mathcalH$ has two continuous second derivatives with respect to $q_k$ and $p_k$, then $$nablacdotmathbfX(mathbfx,t) = 0$$ which clearly follows from Schwartz's theorem.
Then they proceed to give the proof for Liouville's theorem: we need to show that, fora any $t>0$, the image $Omega(t)$ of any domain $OmegasubsetmathbbR^2l$ with a regular boundary has the same measure as $Omega$. Consider the flow associated with any system of the type $$dotmathbfx = mathbfX(mathbfx,t)$$ Then we have that the variation of volume in time $dt$ can be expressed as $$d|Omega(t)|=int_partialOmega(t) mathbfXcdothatn,dsigma,dt$$ so that $$fracdt = int_partialOmega(t)mathbfXcdothatn,dsigma = int_OmeganablacdotmathbfX,d^2lmathbfx=0$$ where $|Omega(t)|$ is the measure of $Omega(t)$.
My problem with the proof is the bold statement. Why we can express the change in volume as that integral with the phase flow?. Is it because, in an intuitive way (in two dimensions), as the domain moves along the phase lines the only volume we get is the one defined by the lateral surface drawn by the phase lines in that time $dt$ around $Omega$? I'm a little bit confused.
P.S. I haven't posted this on Physics stack exchange because my problem seems to be more mathematical than physical.
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This is the physicistâÂÂs way to motivate that step:
Consider a small piece $dsigma$ of the boundary $partial Omega(t)$, which in time $dt$ evolves to another small piece $dsigmaâÂÂ$ of the boundary $partial Omega(t+dt)$. The evolution of $dsigma$ into $dsigmaâÂÂ$ is dictated by the value of the field $mathbf X$ on $dsigma$, and approximately defines a very small parallelepiped of base $dsigma$ and height $mathbf Xcdot hat n dt$ â to see this, draw the surface element $dsigma$, its normal unit vector $hat n$, and the vector $mathbf X$ which points toward $dsigmaâÂÂ$. Hence, the volume of the small parallelepiped is $mathbf X cdot hat n dsigma dt$. To get the complete variation of the volume, you integrate this expression over the whole lot of $partial Omega(t)$.
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This was very useful! Thanks!
â Davide Morgante
Aug 22 at 11:02
Glad I could be of help!
â giobrach
Aug 22 at 11:16
Posso anche ringraziarti in italiano già che ci siamo :)
â Davide Morgante
Aug 22 at 13:05
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1 Answer
1
active
oldest
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1 Answer
1
active
oldest
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active
oldest
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active
oldest
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up vote
1
down vote
accepted
This is the physicistâÂÂs way to motivate that step:
Consider a small piece $dsigma$ of the boundary $partial Omega(t)$, which in time $dt$ evolves to another small piece $dsigmaâÂÂ$ of the boundary $partial Omega(t+dt)$. The evolution of $dsigma$ into $dsigmaâÂÂ$ is dictated by the value of the field $mathbf X$ on $dsigma$, and approximately defines a very small parallelepiped of base $dsigma$ and height $mathbf Xcdot hat n dt$ â to see this, draw the surface element $dsigma$, its normal unit vector $hat n$, and the vector $mathbf X$ which points toward $dsigmaâÂÂ$. Hence, the volume of the small parallelepiped is $mathbf X cdot hat n dsigma dt$. To get the complete variation of the volume, you integrate this expression over the whole lot of $partial Omega(t)$.
1
This was very useful! Thanks!
â Davide Morgante
Aug 22 at 11:02
Glad I could be of help!
â giobrach
Aug 22 at 11:16
Posso anche ringraziarti in italiano già che ci siamo :)
â Davide Morgante
Aug 22 at 13:05
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
This is the physicistâÂÂs way to motivate that step:
Consider a small piece $dsigma$ of the boundary $partial Omega(t)$, which in time $dt$ evolves to another small piece $dsigmaâÂÂ$ of the boundary $partial Omega(t+dt)$. The evolution of $dsigma$ into $dsigmaâÂÂ$ is dictated by the value of the field $mathbf X$ on $dsigma$, and approximately defines a very small parallelepiped of base $dsigma$ and height $mathbf Xcdot hat n dt$ â to see this, draw the surface element $dsigma$, its normal unit vector $hat n$, and the vector $mathbf X$ which points toward $dsigmaâÂÂ$. Hence, the volume of the small parallelepiped is $mathbf X cdot hat n dsigma dt$. To get the complete variation of the volume, you integrate this expression over the whole lot of $partial Omega(t)$.
1
This was very useful! Thanks!
â Davide Morgante
Aug 22 at 11:02
Glad I could be of help!
â giobrach
Aug 22 at 11:16
Posso anche ringraziarti in italiano già che ci siamo :)
â Davide Morgante
Aug 22 at 13:05
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
This is the physicistâÂÂs way to motivate that step:
Consider a small piece $dsigma$ of the boundary $partial Omega(t)$, which in time $dt$ evolves to another small piece $dsigmaâÂÂ$ of the boundary $partial Omega(t+dt)$. The evolution of $dsigma$ into $dsigmaâÂÂ$ is dictated by the value of the field $mathbf X$ on $dsigma$, and approximately defines a very small parallelepiped of base $dsigma$ and height $mathbf Xcdot hat n dt$ â to see this, draw the surface element $dsigma$, its normal unit vector $hat n$, and the vector $mathbf X$ which points toward $dsigmaâÂÂ$. Hence, the volume of the small parallelepiped is $mathbf X cdot hat n dsigma dt$. To get the complete variation of the volume, you integrate this expression over the whole lot of $partial Omega(t)$.
This is the physicistâÂÂs way to motivate that step:
Consider a small piece $dsigma$ of the boundary $partial Omega(t)$, which in time $dt$ evolves to another small piece $dsigmaâÂÂ$ of the boundary $partial Omega(t+dt)$. The evolution of $dsigma$ into $dsigmaâÂÂ$ is dictated by the value of the field $mathbf X$ on $dsigma$, and approximately defines a very small parallelepiped of base $dsigma$ and height $mathbf Xcdot hat n dt$ â to see this, draw the surface element $dsigma$, its normal unit vector $hat n$, and the vector $mathbf X$ which points toward $dsigmaâÂÂ$. Hence, the volume of the small parallelepiped is $mathbf X cdot hat n dsigma dt$. To get the complete variation of the volume, you integrate this expression over the whole lot of $partial Omega(t)$.
answered Aug 22 at 9:31
giobrach
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This was very useful! Thanks!
â Davide Morgante
Aug 22 at 11:02
Glad I could be of help!
â giobrach
Aug 22 at 11:16
Posso anche ringraziarti in italiano già che ci siamo :)
â Davide Morgante
Aug 22 at 13:05
add a comment |Â
1
This was very useful! Thanks!
â Davide Morgante
Aug 22 at 11:02
Glad I could be of help!
â giobrach
Aug 22 at 11:16
Posso anche ringraziarti in italiano già che ci siamo :)
â Davide Morgante
Aug 22 at 13:05
1
1
This was very useful! Thanks!
â Davide Morgante
Aug 22 at 11:02
This was very useful! Thanks!
â Davide Morgante
Aug 22 at 11:02
Glad I could be of help!
â giobrach
Aug 22 at 11:16
Glad I could be of help!
â giobrach
Aug 22 at 11:16
Posso anche ringraziarti in italiano già che ci siamo :)
â Davide Morgante
Aug 22 at 13:05
Posso anche ringraziarti in italiano già che ci siamo :)
â Davide Morgante
Aug 22 at 13:05
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