Expanding out function - why is it the right strategy for this problem?
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In Spivaks Calculus there is problem 8 in chapter 3:
For which numbers $a$, $b$, $c$, and $d$ will the function
$$
f(x) = fracax + bcx + d
$$
satisfy $f(f(x)) = x$ for all $x$?
Now, the solution I found suggests to expand out $f(f(x))$ and then simplify and arrive at the solution.
8. If
$$
x
= f(f(x))
= fraca left( fracax+bcx+d right) + b
c left( fracax+bcx+d right) + d
$$
for all $x$ then
$$
(ac+cd)x^2 + (d^2 - a^2)x - ab - bd = 0
qquad
textfor all $x$.
$$
(Original image here.)
I understand how generally expanding out works, but:
- I wonder why it makes sense to do that for this problem.
- What the solution in the end tells me/how it helps me to find numbers $a$, $b$, $c$, and $d$?
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In Spivaks Calculus there is problem 8 in chapter 3:
For which numbers $a$, $b$, $c$, and $d$ will the function
$$
f(x) = fracax + bcx + d
$$
satisfy $f(f(x)) = x$ for all $x$?
Now, the solution I found suggests to expand out $f(f(x))$ and then simplify and arrive at the solution.
8. If
$$
x
= f(f(x))
= fraca left( fracax+bcx+d right) + b
c left( fracax+bcx+d right) + d
$$
for all $x$ then
$$
(ac+cd)x^2 + (d^2 - a^2)x - ab - bd = 0
qquad
textfor all $x$.
$$
(Original image here.)
I understand how generally expanding out works, but:
- I wonder why it makes sense to do that for this problem.
- What the solution in the end tells me/how it helps me to find numbers $a$, $b$, $c$, and $d$?
real-analysis functions
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I don't understand what you're getting at in your first question. In what way might this calculation be nonsensical?
â Hurkyl
Aug 22 at 9:01
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In Spivaks Calculus there is problem 8 in chapter 3:
For which numbers $a$, $b$, $c$, and $d$ will the function
$$
f(x) = fracax + bcx + d
$$
satisfy $f(f(x)) = x$ for all $x$?
Now, the solution I found suggests to expand out $f(f(x))$ and then simplify and arrive at the solution.
8. If
$$
x
= f(f(x))
= fraca left( fracax+bcx+d right) + b
c left( fracax+bcx+d right) + d
$$
for all $x$ then
$$
(ac+cd)x^2 + (d^2 - a^2)x - ab - bd = 0
qquad
textfor all $x$.
$$
(Original image here.)
I understand how generally expanding out works, but:
- I wonder why it makes sense to do that for this problem.
- What the solution in the end tells me/how it helps me to find numbers $a$, $b$, $c$, and $d$?
real-analysis functions
In Spivaks Calculus there is problem 8 in chapter 3:
For which numbers $a$, $b$, $c$, and $d$ will the function
$$
f(x) = fracax + bcx + d
$$
satisfy $f(f(x)) = x$ for all $x$?
Now, the solution I found suggests to expand out $f(f(x))$ and then simplify and arrive at the solution.
8. If
$$
x
= f(f(x))
= fraca left( fracax+bcx+d right) + b
c left( fracax+bcx+d right) + d
$$
for all $x$ then
$$
(ac+cd)x^2 + (d^2 - a^2)x - ab - bd = 0
qquad
textfor all $x$.
$$
(Original image here.)
I understand how generally expanding out works, but:
- I wonder why it makes sense to do that for this problem.
- What the solution in the end tells me/how it helps me to find numbers $a$, $b$, $c$, and $d$?
real-analysis functions
edited Aug 23 at 10:49
Jendrik Stelzner
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asked Aug 22 at 8:56
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I don't understand what you're getting at in your first question. In what way might this calculation be nonsensical?
â Hurkyl
Aug 22 at 9:01
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I don't understand what you're getting at in your first question. In what way might this calculation be nonsensical?
â Hurkyl
Aug 22 at 9:01
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I don't understand what you're getting at in your first question. In what way might this calculation be nonsensical?
â Hurkyl
Aug 22 at 9:01
I don't understand what you're getting at in your first question. In what way might this calculation be nonsensical?
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It's sensible to do this because you're given information about how the composition $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big)$ should be defined, namely that
$$
fbig(f(x)big) = x.
$$
Since you're given that $f(x)$ has the fractional form, you substitute it into itself for the composition and rearrange to get the equation that is quadratic in $x$. The reason for doing so is answered next.You have a quadratic in $x$ that equals zero, namely the quadratic
$$
(ac + cd)x^2 + (d^2 - a^2)x -(ab + bd) = 0.
$$
For this to be true for every value of $x$, I hope that you can see that we must have
$$
ac + cd = 0,qquad d^2 - a^2 = 0,qquad ab + bd = 0.
$$
These can be rewritten as
$$
c(a + d) = 0,qquad (d - a)(d + a) = 0,qquad b(a + d) = 0.
$$
Thus- the first equation is zero if either $c = 0$ or $a = -d$;
- the second equation is zero if either $a = d$ or $a = -d$;
- the third equation is zero if either $b = 0$ or $a = -d$.
This actually gives two nice cases to consider. First, if $a = -d$ then all equations are satisfied so that
$$
f(x) = fracax + bcx - a.
$$
You should check that $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big) = x$ for this $f$.
The second case is to suppose that $a = d$ so that $c = 0$ and $b = 0$. This gives
$$
f(x) = fracaxa = x,
$$
which clearly satisfies $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big) = x$.
We note that if both $a = d$ and $a = -d$ are satisfied, then $a = d = 0$ so that
$$
f(x) = fracbcx.
$$
This also satisfies $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big) = x$ which you should check. This is just a special case of the first case.
Thanks! The first coefficient in the resulting quadratic should be $(ac+cd)$ I think.
â Max
Aug 23 at 5:09
If we have $ac+cd=0$ and $d^2-a^2=0$ and $ab+bd=0$ then $d^2=a^2$ so $d=a$. From there we can find that $ac+cd=0$ and cancelling out $a, d$ we find $c+c=0$ so $c=-c$? That somehow doesn't make sense to me. Can you clarify some more?
â Max
Aug 23 at 5:14
Note that $c = -c iff c = 0$, which is precisely the case. I will edit my answer some more so that you can see how one should carefully deal with these.
â Bill Wallis
Aug 23 at 9:26
Thank you for the thorough explanation! It touched on a lot of topics which I still need to learn.
â Max
Aug 24 at 8:23
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1 Answer
1
active
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active
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active
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It's sensible to do this because you're given information about how the composition $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big)$ should be defined, namely that
$$
fbig(f(x)big) = x.
$$
Since you're given that $f(x)$ has the fractional form, you substitute it into itself for the composition and rearrange to get the equation that is quadratic in $x$. The reason for doing so is answered next.You have a quadratic in $x$ that equals zero, namely the quadratic
$$
(ac + cd)x^2 + (d^2 - a^2)x -(ab + bd) = 0.
$$
For this to be true for every value of $x$, I hope that you can see that we must have
$$
ac + cd = 0,qquad d^2 - a^2 = 0,qquad ab + bd = 0.
$$
These can be rewritten as
$$
c(a + d) = 0,qquad (d - a)(d + a) = 0,qquad b(a + d) = 0.
$$
Thus- the first equation is zero if either $c = 0$ or $a = -d$;
- the second equation is zero if either $a = d$ or $a = -d$;
- the third equation is zero if either $b = 0$ or $a = -d$.
This actually gives two nice cases to consider. First, if $a = -d$ then all equations are satisfied so that
$$
f(x) = fracax + bcx - a.
$$
You should check that $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big) = x$ for this $f$.
The second case is to suppose that $a = d$ so that $c = 0$ and $b = 0$. This gives
$$
f(x) = fracaxa = x,
$$
which clearly satisfies $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big) = x$.
We note that if both $a = d$ and $a = -d$ are satisfied, then $a = d = 0$ so that
$$
f(x) = fracbcx.
$$
This also satisfies $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big) = x$ which you should check. This is just a special case of the first case.
Thanks! The first coefficient in the resulting quadratic should be $(ac+cd)$ I think.
â Max
Aug 23 at 5:09
If we have $ac+cd=0$ and $d^2-a^2=0$ and $ab+bd=0$ then $d^2=a^2$ so $d=a$. From there we can find that $ac+cd=0$ and cancelling out $a, d$ we find $c+c=0$ so $c=-c$? That somehow doesn't make sense to me. Can you clarify some more?
â Max
Aug 23 at 5:14
Note that $c = -c iff c = 0$, which is precisely the case. I will edit my answer some more so that you can see how one should carefully deal with these.
â Bill Wallis
Aug 23 at 9:26
Thank you for the thorough explanation! It touched on a lot of topics which I still need to learn.
â Max
Aug 24 at 8:23
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
It's sensible to do this because you're given information about how the composition $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big)$ should be defined, namely that
$$
fbig(f(x)big) = x.
$$
Since you're given that $f(x)$ has the fractional form, you substitute it into itself for the composition and rearrange to get the equation that is quadratic in $x$. The reason for doing so is answered next.You have a quadratic in $x$ that equals zero, namely the quadratic
$$
(ac + cd)x^2 + (d^2 - a^2)x -(ab + bd) = 0.
$$
For this to be true for every value of $x$, I hope that you can see that we must have
$$
ac + cd = 0,qquad d^2 - a^2 = 0,qquad ab + bd = 0.
$$
These can be rewritten as
$$
c(a + d) = 0,qquad (d - a)(d + a) = 0,qquad b(a + d) = 0.
$$
Thus- the first equation is zero if either $c = 0$ or $a = -d$;
- the second equation is zero if either $a = d$ or $a = -d$;
- the third equation is zero if either $b = 0$ or $a = -d$.
This actually gives two nice cases to consider. First, if $a = -d$ then all equations are satisfied so that
$$
f(x) = fracax + bcx - a.
$$
You should check that $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big) = x$ for this $f$.
The second case is to suppose that $a = d$ so that $c = 0$ and $b = 0$. This gives
$$
f(x) = fracaxa = x,
$$
which clearly satisfies $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big) = x$.
We note that if both $a = d$ and $a = -d$ are satisfied, then $a = d = 0$ so that
$$
f(x) = fracbcx.
$$
This also satisfies $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big) = x$ which you should check. This is just a special case of the first case.
Thanks! The first coefficient in the resulting quadratic should be $(ac+cd)$ I think.
â Max
Aug 23 at 5:09
If we have $ac+cd=0$ and $d^2-a^2=0$ and $ab+bd=0$ then $d^2=a^2$ so $d=a$. From there we can find that $ac+cd=0$ and cancelling out $a, d$ we find $c+c=0$ so $c=-c$? That somehow doesn't make sense to me. Can you clarify some more?
â Max
Aug 23 at 5:14
Note that $c = -c iff c = 0$, which is precisely the case. I will edit my answer some more so that you can see how one should carefully deal with these.
â Bill Wallis
Aug 23 at 9:26
Thank you for the thorough explanation! It touched on a lot of topics which I still need to learn.
â Max
Aug 24 at 8:23
add a comment |Â
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
up vote
1
down vote
accepted
It's sensible to do this because you're given information about how the composition $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big)$ should be defined, namely that
$$
fbig(f(x)big) = x.
$$
Since you're given that $f(x)$ has the fractional form, you substitute it into itself for the composition and rearrange to get the equation that is quadratic in $x$. The reason for doing so is answered next.You have a quadratic in $x$ that equals zero, namely the quadratic
$$
(ac + cd)x^2 + (d^2 - a^2)x -(ab + bd) = 0.
$$
For this to be true for every value of $x$, I hope that you can see that we must have
$$
ac + cd = 0,qquad d^2 - a^2 = 0,qquad ab + bd = 0.
$$
These can be rewritten as
$$
c(a + d) = 0,qquad (d - a)(d + a) = 0,qquad b(a + d) = 0.
$$
Thus- the first equation is zero if either $c = 0$ or $a = -d$;
- the second equation is zero if either $a = d$ or $a = -d$;
- the third equation is zero if either $b = 0$ or $a = -d$.
This actually gives two nice cases to consider. First, if $a = -d$ then all equations are satisfied so that
$$
f(x) = fracax + bcx - a.
$$
You should check that $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big) = x$ for this $f$.
The second case is to suppose that $a = d$ so that $c = 0$ and $b = 0$. This gives
$$
f(x) = fracaxa = x,
$$
which clearly satisfies $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big) = x$.
We note that if both $a = d$ and $a = -d$ are satisfied, then $a = d = 0$ so that
$$
f(x) = fracbcx.
$$
This also satisfies $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big) = x$ which you should check. This is just a special case of the first case.
It's sensible to do this because you're given information about how the composition $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big)$ should be defined, namely that
$$
fbig(f(x)big) = x.
$$
Since you're given that $f(x)$ has the fractional form, you substitute it into itself for the composition and rearrange to get the equation that is quadratic in $x$. The reason for doing so is answered next.You have a quadratic in $x$ that equals zero, namely the quadratic
$$
(ac + cd)x^2 + (d^2 - a^2)x -(ab + bd) = 0.
$$
For this to be true for every value of $x$, I hope that you can see that we must have
$$
ac + cd = 0,qquad d^2 - a^2 = 0,qquad ab + bd = 0.
$$
These can be rewritten as
$$
c(a + d) = 0,qquad (d - a)(d + a) = 0,qquad b(a + d) = 0.
$$
Thus- the first equation is zero if either $c = 0$ or $a = -d$;
- the second equation is zero if either $a = d$ or $a = -d$;
- the third equation is zero if either $b = 0$ or $a = -d$.
This actually gives two nice cases to consider. First, if $a = -d$ then all equations are satisfied so that
$$
f(x) = fracax + bcx - a.
$$
You should check that $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big) = x$ for this $f$.
The second case is to suppose that $a = d$ so that $c = 0$ and $b = 0$. This gives
$$
f(x) = fracaxa = x,
$$
which clearly satisfies $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big) = x$.
We note that if both $a = d$ and $a = -d$ are satisfied, then $a = d = 0$ so that
$$
f(x) = fracbcx.
$$
This also satisfies $(fcirc f)(x) = fbig(f(x)big) = x$ which you should check. This is just a special case of the first case.
edited Aug 23 at 9:41
answered Aug 22 at 9:11
Bill Wallis
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Thanks! The first coefficient in the resulting quadratic should be $(ac+cd)$ I think.
â Max
Aug 23 at 5:09
If we have $ac+cd=0$ and $d^2-a^2=0$ and $ab+bd=0$ then $d^2=a^2$ so $d=a$. From there we can find that $ac+cd=0$ and cancelling out $a, d$ we find $c+c=0$ so $c=-c$? That somehow doesn't make sense to me. Can you clarify some more?
â Max
Aug 23 at 5:14
Note that $c = -c iff c = 0$, which is precisely the case. I will edit my answer some more so that you can see how one should carefully deal with these.
â Bill Wallis
Aug 23 at 9:26
Thank you for the thorough explanation! It touched on a lot of topics which I still need to learn.
â Max
Aug 24 at 8:23
add a comment |Â
Thanks! The first coefficient in the resulting quadratic should be $(ac+cd)$ I think.
â Max
Aug 23 at 5:09
If we have $ac+cd=0$ and $d^2-a^2=0$ and $ab+bd=0$ then $d^2=a^2$ so $d=a$. From there we can find that $ac+cd=0$ and cancelling out $a, d$ we find $c+c=0$ so $c=-c$? That somehow doesn't make sense to me. Can you clarify some more?
â Max
Aug 23 at 5:14
Note that $c = -c iff c = 0$, which is precisely the case. I will edit my answer some more so that you can see how one should carefully deal with these.
â Bill Wallis
Aug 23 at 9:26
Thank you for the thorough explanation! It touched on a lot of topics which I still need to learn.
â Max
Aug 24 at 8:23
Thanks! The first coefficient in the resulting quadratic should be $(ac+cd)$ I think.
â Max
Aug 23 at 5:09
Thanks! The first coefficient in the resulting quadratic should be $(ac+cd)$ I think.
â Max
Aug 23 at 5:09
If we have $ac+cd=0$ and $d^2-a^2=0$ and $ab+bd=0$ then $d^2=a^2$ so $d=a$. From there we can find that $ac+cd=0$ and cancelling out $a, d$ we find $c+c=0$ so $c=-c$? That somehow doesn't make sense to me. Can you clarify some more?
â Max
Aug 23 at 5:14
If we have $ac+cd=0$ and $d^2-a^2=0$ and $ab+bd=0$ then $d^2=a^2$ so $d=a$. From there we can find that $ac+cd=0$ and cancelling out $a, d$ we find $c+c=0$ so $c=-c$? That somehow doesn't make sense to me. Can you clarify some more?
â Max
Aug 23 at 5:14
Note that $c = -c iff c = 0$, which is precisely the case. I will edit my answer some more so that you can see how one should carefully deal with these.
â Bill Wallis
Aug 23 at 9:26
Note that $c = -c iff c = 0$, which is precisely the case. I will edit my answer some more so that you can see how one should carefully deal with these.
â Bill Wallis
Aug 23 at 9:26
Thank you for the thorough explanation! It touched on a lot of topics which I still need to learn.
â Max
Aug 24 at 8:23
Thank you for the thorough explanation! It touched on a lot of topics which I still need to learn.
â Max
Aug 24 at 8:23
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I don't understand what you're getting at in your first question. In what way might this calculation be nonsensical?
â Hurkyl
Aug 22 at 9:01