Fundamental group of Klein Bottle generated by two elements

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The problem asks me to show that the fundamental group of the Klein bottle is generated by "latitudinal" loops $a$ and "longitudinal" loops $b$ where $a$ and $b$ obey the relation $aba^-1 = b^-1$.



The problem is that I don't understand what I'm supposed to do, since the problem is stated a bit imprecisely. I haven't covered the Seifert-Van Kampen theorem either.







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    The problem asks me to show that the fundamental group of the Klein bottle is generated by "latitudinal" loops $a$ and "longitudinal" loops $b$ where $a$ and $b$ obey the relation $aba^-1 = b^-1$.



    The problem is that I don't understand what I'm supposed to do, since the problem is stated a bit imprecisely. I haven't covered the Seifert-Van Kampen theorem either.







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      The problem asks me to show that the fundamental group of the Klein bottle is generated by "latitudinal" loops $a$ and "longitudinal" loops $b$ where $a$ and $b$ obey the relation $aba^-1 = b^-1$.



      The problem is that I don't understand what I'm supposed to do, since the problem is stated a bit imprecisely. I haven't covered the Seifert-Van Kampen theorem either.







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      The problem asks me to show that the fundamental group of the Klein bottle is generated by "latitudinal" loops $a$ and "longitudinal" loops $b$ where $a$ and $b$ obey the relation $aba^-1 = b^-1$.



      The problem is that I don't understand what I'm supposed to do, since the problem is stated a bit imprecisely. I haven't covered the Seifert-Van Kampen theorem either.









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          Draw a short cartoon that shows the loop $aba^-1$ homotoping into $b^-1$, in the squares-with-edges-identified model.



          For clarity, let the loop cross the corners one at a time, and be sure to indicate the direction of every visible segment of the loop in each frame.



          (Writing down the homotopy symbolically, with coordinates, would probably be overkill).






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            an other approach using covering space:



            Let us observe the covering space $mathbbR^2$ of $K^2$ when the covering map is the quotient map $mathbbR^2 / (x,y) sim (x+1,y) , (x,y)sim(-x,y+1) mapsto K^2 $ by $p((x,y)) =[(x,y)] $. (The cover,might be thought as a paving of $mathbbR^2$ with $K^2$'s which are "mirrored" with respect to x's axis).



            Now for any loop $gamma :(I,partial I)rightarrow (K^2, y_0)$ ($y_0$ denotes the bottom-left vertex of the polygonal representation of $K^2 )$. Let us denot $tildegamma $ a lift of $gamma$ to $mathbbR^2$ such that $tildegamma(0),tildegamma(1) in p^-1(y_0)$ because $gamma$ is a loop. $tildegamma $ is homotopic to concatenation of $tildea_i_iin [l_1] , tildeb_j_jin [l_1]$ when $tildea_i , tildeb_j$ are lifts of the loops $a,b$ to points on the grid $mathbbR^2 / mathbbZ^2 = p^-1(y_0)$ . This is the part I'm not going to fully prove, but here is an intuitive sketch: (the red line is $tildegamma$ which in $mathbbR^2$ might be continuously stretched to the grid).
            enter image description here



            Now using the fact that $p_* : pi_1(mathbbR^2, x_0) rightarrow pi_1(K^2 , y_0)$ the cover map induced homomorphism is one-to-one. We get:



            $$ p_*([tildea_1 * ... * tildea_l_1 * tildeb_1 * ... * tildeb_l_2 ]) = p_*([tildegamma]) Rightarrow [a]^l_1 * [b]^l_2 = [gamma] $$






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              Hint: you can obtain the Klein bottle from the unit square identifying its edges accordingly.



              The blue one is $a$ and the red one is $b$.



              enter image description here






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              • Yes, I know that the Klein bottle is the unit square with opposite vertical edges identified in the same direction, and opposite horizontal edges identified in the opposite direction.
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              Draw a short cartoon that shows the loop $aba^-1$ homotoping into $b^-1$, in the squares-with-edges-identified model.



              For clarity, let the loop cross the corners one at a time, and be sure to indicate the direction of every visible segment of the loop in each frame.



              (Writing down the homotopy symbolically, with coordinates, would probably be overkill).






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                Draw a short cartoon that shows the loop $aba^-1$ homotoping into $b^-1$, in the squares-with-edges-identified model.



                For clarity, let the loop cross the corners one at a time, and be sure to indicate the direction of every visible segment of the loop in each frame.



                (Writing down the homotopy symbolically, with coordinates, would probably be overkill).






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                  up vote
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                  Draw a short cartoon that shows the loop $aba^-1$ homotoping into $b^-1$, in the squares-with-edges-identified model.



                  For clarity, let the loop cross the corners one at a time, and be sure to indicate the direction of every visible segment of the loop in each frame.



                  (Writing down the homotopy symbolically, with coordinates, would probably be overkill).






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                  Draw a short cartoon that shows the loop $aba^-1$ homotoping into $b^-1$, in the squares-with-edges-identified model.



                  For clarity, let the loop cross the corners one at a time, and be sure to indicate the direction of every visible segment of the loop in each frame.



                  (Writing down the homotopy symbolically, with coordinates, would probably be overkill).







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                  answered Feb 10 '13 at 0:10









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                      an other approach using covering space:



                      Let us observe the covering space $mathbbR^2$ of $K^2$ when the covering map is the quotient map $mathbbR^2 / (x,y) sim (x+1,y) , (x,y)sim(-x,y+1) mapsto K^2 $ by $p((x,y)) =[(x,y)] $. (The cover,might be thought as a paving of $mathbbR^2$ with $K^2$'s which are "mirrored" with respect to x's axis).



                      Now for any loop $gamma :(I,partial I)rightarrow (K^2, y_0)$ ($y_0$ denotes the bottom-left vertex of the polygonal representation of $K^2 )$. Let us denot $tildegamma $ a lift of $gamma$ to $mathbbR^2$ such that $tildegamma(0),tildegamma(1) in p^-1(y_0)$ because $gamma$ is a loop. $tildegamma $ is homotopic to concatenation of $tildea_i_iin [l_1] , tildeb_j_jin [l_1]$ when $tildea_i , tildeb_j$ are lifts of the loops $a,b$ to points on the grid $mathbbR^2 / mathbbZ^2 = p^-1(y_0)$ . This is the part I'm not going to fully prove, but here is an intuitive sketch: (the red line is $tildegamma$ which in $mathbbR^2$ might be continuously stretched to the grid).
                      enter image description here



                      Now using the fact that $p_* : pi_1(mathbbR^2, x_0) rightarrow pi_1(K^2 , y_0)$ the cover map induced homomorphism is one-to-one. We get:



                      $$ p_*([tildea_1 * ... * tildea_l_1 * tildeb_1 * ... * tildeb_l_2 ]) = p_*([tildegamma]) Rightarrow [a]^l_1 * [b]^l_2 = [gamma] $$






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                        an other approach using covering space:



                        Let us observe the covering space $mathbbR^2$ of $K^2$ when the covering map is the quotient map $mathbbR^2 / (x,y) sim (x+1,y) , (x,y)sim(-x,y+1) mapsto K^2 $ by $p((x,y)) =[(x,y)] $. (The cover,might be thought as a paving of $mathbbR^2$ with $K^2$'s which are "mirrored" with respect to x's axis).



                        Now for any loop $gamma :(I,partial I)rightarrow (K^2, y_0)$ ($y_0$ denotes the bottom-left vertex of the polygonal representation of $K^2 )$. Let us denot $tildegamma $ a lift of $gamma$ to $mathbbR^2$ such that $tildegamma(0),tildegamma(1) in p^-1(y_0)$ because $gamma$ is a loop. $tildegamma $ is homotopic to concatenation of $tildea_i_iin [l_1] , tildeb_j_jin [l_1]$ when $tildea_i , tildeb_j$ are lifts of the loops $a,b$ to points on the grid $mathbbR^2 / mathbbZ^2 = p^-1(y_0)$ . This is the part I'm not going to fully prove, but here is an intuitive sketch: (the red line is $tildegamma$ which in $mathbbR^2$ might be continuously stretched to the grid).
                        enter image description here



                        Now using the fact that $p_* : pi_1(mathbbR^2, x_0) rightarrow pi_1(K^2 , y_0)$ the cover map induced homomorphism is one-to-one. We get:



                        $$ p_*([tildea_1 * ... * tildea_l_1 * tildeb_1 * ... * tildeb_l_2 ]) = p_*([tildegamma]) Rightarrow [a]^l_1 * [b]^l_2 = [gamma] $$






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                          an other approach using covering space:



                          Let us observe the covering space $mathbbR^2$ of $K^2$ when the covering map is the quotient map $mathbbR^2 / (x,y) sim (x+1,y) , (x,y)sim(-x,y+1) mapsto K^2 $ by $p((x,y)) =[(x,y)] $. (The cover,might be thought as a paving of $mathbbR^2$ with $K^2$'s which are "mirrored" with respect to x's axis).



                          Now for any loop $gamma :(I,partial I)rightarrow (K^2, y_0)$ ($y_0$ denotes the bottom-left vertex of the polygonal representation of $K^2 )$. Let us denot $tildegamma $ a lift of $gamma$ to $mathbbR^2$ such that $tildegamma(0),tildegamma(1) in p^-1(y_0)$ because $gamma$ is a loop. $tildegamma $ is homotopic to concatenation of $tildea_i_iin [l_1] , tildeb_j_jin [l_1]$ when $tildea_i , tildeb_j$ are lifts of the loops $a,b$ to points on the grid $mathbbR^2 / mathbbZ^2 = p^-1(y_0)$ . This is the part I'm not going to fully prove, but here is an intuitive sketch: (the red line is $tildegamma$ which in $mathbbR^2$ might be continuously stretched to the grid).
                          enter image description here



                          Now using the fact that $p_* : pi_1(mathbbR^2, x_0) rightarrow pi_1(K^2 , y_0)$ the cover map induced homomorphism is one-to-one. We get:



                          $$ p_*([tildea_1 * ... * tildea_l_1 * tildeb_1 * ... * tildeb_l_2 ]) = p_*([tildegamma]) Rightarrow [a]^l_1 * [b]^l_2 = [gamma] $$






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                          an other approach using covering space:



                          Let us observe the covering space $mathbbR^2$ of $K^2$ when the covering map is the quotient map $mathbbR^2 / (x,y) sim (x+1,y) , (x,y)sim(-x,y+1) mapsto K^2 $ by $p((x,y)) =[(x,y)] $. (The cover,might be thought as a paving of $mathbbR^2$ with $K^2$'s which are "mirrored" with respect to x's axis).



                          Now for any loop $gamma :(I,partial I)rightarrow (K^2, y_0)$ ($y_0$ denotes the bottom-left vertex of the polygonal representation of $K^2 )$. Let us denot $tildegamma $ a lift of $gamma$ to $mathbbR^2$ such that $tildegamma(0),tildegamma(1) in p^-1(y_0)$ because $gamma$ is a loop. $tildegamma $ is homotopic to concatenation of $tildea_i_iin [l_1] , tildeb_j_jin [l_1]$ when $tildea_i , tildeb_j$ are lifts of the loops $a,b$ to points on the grid $mathbbR^2 / mathbbZ^2 = p^-1(y_0)$ . This is the part I'm not going to fully prove, but here is an intuitive sketch: (the red line is $tildegamma$ which in $mathbbR^2$ might be continuously stretched to the grid).
                          enter image description here



                          Now using the fact that $p_* : pi_1(mathbbR^2, x_0) rightarrow pi_1(K^2 , y_0)$ the cover map induced homomorphism is one-to-one. We get:



                          $$ p_*([tildea_1 * ... * tildea_l_1 * tildeb_1 * ... * tildeb_l_2 ]) = p_*([tildegamma]) Rightarrow [a]^l_1 * [b]^l_2 = [gamma] $$







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                              Hint: you can obtain the Klein bottle from the unit square identifying its edges accordingly.



                              The blue one is $a$ and the red one is $b$.



                              enter image description here






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                              • Yes, I know that the Klein bottle is the unit square with opposite vertical edges identified in the same direction, and opposite horizontal edges identified in the opposite direction.
                                – user61642
                                Feb 10 '13 at 0:05














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                              Hint: you can obtain the Klein bottle from the unit square identifying its edges accordingly.



                              The blue one is $a$ and the red one is $b$.



                              enter image description here






                              share|cite|improve this answer




















                              • Yes, I know that the Klein bottle is the unit square with opposite vertical edges identified in the same direction, and opposite horizontal edges identified in the opposite direction.
                                – user61642
                                Feb 10 '13 at 0:05












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                              Hint: you can obtain the Klein bottle from the unit square identifying its edges accordingly.



                              The blue one is $a$ and the red one is $b$.



                              enter image description here






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                              Hint: you can obtain the Klein bottle from the unit square identifying its edges accordingly.



                              The blue one is $a$ and the red one is $b$.



                              enter image description here







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                              • Yes, I know that the Klein bottle is the unit square with opposite vertical edges identified in the same direction, and opposite horizontal edges identified in the opposite direction.
                                – user61642
                                Feb 10 '13 at 0:05
















                              • Yes, I know that the Klein bottle is the unit square with opposite vertical edges identified in the same direction, and opposite horizontal edges identified in the opposite direction.
                                – user61642
                                Feb 10 '13 at 0:05















                              Yes, I know that the Klein bottle is the unit square with opposite vertical edges identified in the same direction, and opposite horizontal edges identified in the opposite direction.
                              – user61642
                              Feb 10 '13 at 0:05




                              Yes, I know that the Klein bottle is the unit square with opposite vertical edges identified in the same direction, and opposite horizontal edges identified in the opposite direction.
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                              Feb 10 '13 at 0:05

















                               

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