Extrema of $5x^2+7y^2-14xy$ on $D:=(x,y)in mathbbR^2:sup(x,y) le 1$

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I want to determine the extrema of $5x^2+7y^2-14xy$ on $D:=left(x,y)in mathbbR^2:max(x,y) le 1right$.



We didn't learn about Lagrange multipliers yet so I would like to solve this problem without them.
It seems obvious that the extrema have to be at $x=y=0$ and $x=y=1$ but how can I reason this?







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    I want to determine the extrema of $5x^2+7y^2-14xy$ on $D:=left(x,y)in mathbbR^2:max(x,y) le 1right$.



    We didn't learn about Lagrange multipliers yet so I would like to solve this problem without them.
    It seems obvious that the extrema have to be at $x=y=0$ and $x=y=1$ but how can I reason this?







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      I want to determine the extrema of $5x^2+7y^2-14xy$ on $D:=left(x,y)in mathbbR^2:max(x,y) le 1right$.



      We didn't learn about Lagrange multipliers yet so I would like to solve this problem without them.
      It seems obvious that the extrema have to be at $x=y=0$ and $x=y=1$ but how can I reason this?







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      I want to determine the extrema of $5x^2+7y^2-14xy$ on $D:=left(x,y)in mathbbR^2:max(x,y) le 1right$.



      We didn't learn about Lagrange multipliers yet so I would like to solve this problem without them.
      It seems obvious that the extrema have to be at $x=y=0$ and $x=y=1$ but how can I reason this?









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          You don't need the Lagrange multipliers. All you need is to find the critical points, check the points on the boundary, as well as any singular points. Obviously there aren't any singular points and we first try to find the critical ones. Let $f(x,y) = 5x^2 + 7y^2 - 14xy$, then we have:



          $$f_x = 10x - 14y quad quad f_y = 14y - 14x = 0$$



          Equating them to zero we get that $14x = 14y = 10x$ and so $x= y= 0$



          Now for the boundary first plug in $x=1$ and treat the function as a single variable function by letting $g(y) = f(1,y)$. Then we have:



          $$g'(y) = 14y - 14$$



          Equating it to zero we get that $y = 1$. Now do the same by setting $x=1$ and $h(x) = f(x,1)$ to get:



          $$h'(x) = 10x - 14$$



          This yields that $x=frac75$, however this isn't posible, as $xle 1$. Thus you only need to check the points $(0,0)$ and $(1,1)$. Now to determine the nature of the $(0,0)$ you could apply the second derivative test and you'll get that:



          $$H_f =beginvmatrix
          f_xx & f_xy \
          f_yx & f_yy \
          endvmatrix = beginvmatrix
          10 & -14 \
          -14 & 14 \
          endvmatrix = - 56$$



          As $H_f < 0$ we get that $(0,0)$ is a saddle point. To determine the nature of the point $(1,1)$ you need to apply the second derivative to $g(y)$. As $g''(y) = 14 > 0$ we get that at $(1,1)$ f attains a local minimum.






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          • It is true that $f$ attains a local minimum at $(1,1)$. But the second derivative test can only be applied at interior points of the domain.
            – Christian Blatter
            Aug 25 at 14:01










          • @ChristianBlatter How can it be shown otherwise?
            – user586087
            Aug 25 at 15:25










          • @ChristianBlatter We can apply the second derivative test on $g(x)$ on the whole real line. It's not hard to see that $g(1)$ is the minimal value.
            – Stefan4024
            Aug 25 at 16:11










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          You don't need the Lagrange multipliers. All you need is to find the critical points, check the points on the boundary, as well as any singular points. Obviously there aren't any singular points and we first try to find the critical ones. Let $f(x,y) = 5x^2 + 7y^2 - 14xy$, then we have:



          $$f_x = 10x - 14y quad quad f_y = 14y - 14x = 0$$



          Equating them to zero we get that $14x = 14y = 10x$ and so $x= y= 0$



          Now for the boundary first plug in $x=1$ and treat the function as a single variable function by letting $g(y) = f(1,y)$. Then we have:



          $$g'(y) = 14y - 14$$



          Equating it to zero we get that $y = 1$. Now do the same by setting $x=1$ and $h(x) = f(x,1)$ to get:



          $$h'(x) = 10x - 14$$



          This yields that $x=frac75$, however this isn't posible, as $xle 1$. Thus you only need to check the points $(0,0)$ and $(1,1)$. Now to determine the nature of the $(0,0)$ you could apply the second derivative test and you'll get that:



          $$H_f =beginvmatrix
          f_xx & f_xy \
          f_yx & f_yy \
          endvmatrix = beginvmatrix
          10 & -14 \
          -14 & 14 \
          endvmatrix = - 56$$



          As $H_f < 0$ we get that $(0,0)$ is a saddle point. To determine the nature of the point $(1,1)$ you need to apply the second derivative to $g(y)$. As $g''(y) = 14 > 0$ we get that at $(1,1)$ f attains a local minimum.






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          • It is true that $f$ attains a local minimum at $(1,1)$. But the second derivative test can only be applied at interior points of the domain.
            – Christian Blatter
            Aug 25 at 14:01










          • @ChristianBlatter How can it be shown otherwise?
            – user586087
            Aug 25 at 15:25










          • @ChristianBlatter We can apply the second derivative test on $g(x)$ on the whole real line. It's not hard to see that $g(1)$ is the minimal value.
            – Stefan4024
            Aug 25 at 16:11














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          You don't need the Lagrange multipliers. All you need is to find the critical points, check the points on the boundary, as well as any singular points. Obviously there aren't any singular points and we first try to find the critical ones. Let $f(x,y) = 5x^2 + 7y^2 - 14xy$, then we have:



          $$f_x = 10x - 14y quad quad f_y = 14y - 14x = 0$$



          Equating them to zero we get that $14x = 14y = 10x$ and so $x= y= 0$



          Now for the boundary first plug in $x=1$ and treat the function as a single variable function by letting $g(y) = f(1,y)$. Then we have:



          $$g'(y) = 14y - 14$$



          Equating it to zero we get that $y = 1$. Now do the same by setting $x=1$ and $h(x) = f(x,1)$ to get:



          $$h'(x) = 10x - 14$$



          This yields that $x=frac75$, however this isn't posible, as $xle 1$. Thus you only need to check the points $(0,0)$ and $(1,1)$. Now to determine the nature of the $(0,0)$ you could apply the second derivative test and you'll get that:



          $$H_f =beginvmatrix
          f_xx & f_xy \
          f_yx & f_yy \
          endvmatrix = beginvmatrix
          10 & -14 \
          -14 & 14 \
          endvmatrix = - 56$$



          As $H_f < 0$ we get that $(0,0)$ is a saddle point. To determine the nature of the point $(1,1)$ you need to apply the second derivative to $g(y)$. As $g''(y) = 14 > 0$ we get that at $(1,1)$ f attains a local minimum.






          share|cite|improve this answer




















          • It is true that $f$ attains a local minimum at $(1,1)$. But the second derivative test can only be applied at interior points of the domain.
            – Christian Blatter
            Aug 25 at 14:01










          • @ChristianBlatter How can it be shown otherwise?
            – user586087
            Aug 25 at 15:25










          • @ChristianBlatter We can apply the second derivative test on $g(x)$ on the whole real line. It's not hard to see that $g(1)$ is the minimal value.
            – Stefan4024
            Aug 25 at 16:11












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          You don't need the Lagrange multipliers. All you need is to find the critical points, check the points on the boundary, as well as any singular points. Obviously there aren't any singular points and we first try to find the critical ones. Let $f(x,y) = 5x^2 + 7y^2 - 14xy$, then we have:



          $$f_x = 10x - 14y quad quad f_y = 14y - 14x = 0$$



          Equating them to zero we get that $14x = 14y = 10x$ and so $x= y= 0$



          Now for the boundary first plug in $x=1$ and treat the function as a single variable function by letting $g(y) = f(1,y)$. Then we have:



          $$g'(y) = 14y - 14$$



          Equating it to zero we get that $y = 1$. Now do the same by setting $x=1$ and $h(x) = f(x,1)$ to get:



          $$h'(x) = 10x - 14$$



          This yields that $x=frac75$, however this isn't posible, as $xle 1$. Thus you only need to check the points $(0,0)$ and $(1,1)$. Now to determine the nature of the $(0,0)$ you could apply the second derivative test and you'll get that:



          $$H_f =beginvmatrix
          f_xx & f_xy \
          f_yx & f_yy \
          endvmatrix = beginvmatrix
          10 & -14 \
          -14 & 14 \
          endvmatrix = - 56$$



          As $H_f < 0$ we get that $(0,0)$ is a saddle point. To determine the nature of the point $(1,1)$ you need to apply the second derivative to $g(y)$. As $g''(y) = 14 > 0$ we get that at $(1,1)$ f attains a local minimum.






          share|cite|improve this answer












          You don't need the Lagrange multipliers. All you need is to find the critical points, check the points on the boundary, as well as any singular points. Obviously there aren't any singular points and we first try to find the critical ones. Let $f(x,y) = 5x^2 + 7y^2 - 14xy$, then we have:



          $$f_x = 10x - 14y quad quad f_y = 14y - 14x = 0$$



          Equating them to zero we get that $14x = 14y = 10x$ and so $x= y= 0$



          Now for the boundary first plug in $x=1$ and treat the function as a single variable function by letting $g(y) = f(1,y)$. Then we have:



          $$g'(y) = 14y - 14$$



          Equating it to zero we get that $y = 1$. Now do the same by setting $x=1$ and $h(x) = f(x,1)$ to get:



          $$h'(x) = 10x - 14$$



          This yields that $x=frac75$, however this isn't posible, as $xle 1$. Thus you only need to check the points $(0,0)$ and $(1,1)$. Now to determine the nature of the $(0,0)$ you could apply the second derivative test and you'll get that:



          $$H_f =beginvmatrix
          f_xx & f_xy \
          f_yx & f_yy \
          endvmatrix = beginvmatrix
          10 & -14 \
          -14 & 14 \
          endvmatrix = - 56$$



          As $H_f < 0$ we get that $(0,0)$ is a saddle point. To determine the nature of the point $(1,1)$ you need to apply the second derivative to $g(y)$. As $g''(y) = 14 > 0$ we get that at $(1,1)$ f attains a local minimum.







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          • It is true that $f$ attains a local minimum at $(1,1)$. But the second derivative test can only be applied at interior points of the domain.
            – Christian Blatter
            Aug 25 at 14:01










          • @ChristianBlatter How can it be shown otherwise?
            – user586087
            Aug 25 at 15:25










          • @ChristianBlatter We can apply the second derivative test on $g(x)$ on the whole real line. It's not hard to see that $g(1)$ is the minimal value.
            – Stefan4024
            Aug 25 at 16:11
















          • It is true that $f$ attains a local minimum at $(1,1)$. But the second derivative test can only be applied at interior points of the domain.
            – Christian Blatter
            Aug 25 at 14:01










          • @ChristianBlatter How can it be shown otherwise?
            – user586087
            Aug 25 at 15:25










          • @ChristianBlatter We can apply the second derivative test on $g(x)$ on the whole real line. It's not hard to see that $g(1)$ is the minimal value.
            – Stefan4024
            Aug 25 at 16:11















          It is true that $f$ attains a local minimum at $(1,1)$. But the second derivative test can only be applied at interior points of the domain.
          – Christian Blatter
          Aug 25 at 14:01




          It is true that $f$ attains a local minimum at $(1,1)$. But the second derivative test can only be applied at interior points of the domain.
          – Christian Blatter
          Aug 25 at 14:01












          @ChristianBlatter How can it be shown otherwise?
          – user586087
          Aug 25 at 15:25




          @ChristianBlatter How can it be shown otherwise?
          – user586087
          Aug 25 at 15:25












          @ChristianBlatter We can apply the second derivative test on $g(x)$ on the whole real line. It's not hard to see that $g(1)$ is the minimal value.
          – Stefan4024
          Aug 25 at 16:11




          @ChristianBlatter We can apply the second derivative test on $g(x)$ on the whole real line. It's not hard to see that $g(1)$ is the minimal value.
          – Stefan4024
          Aug 25 at 16:11

















           

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