Density of BaireâÂÂs Theorem for Complete Metric Spaces

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Let $G_n$ be a sequence of dense open subsets of a complete metric space $X$. Show that $ bigcap_n geq 1G_n$ is nonempty.
Proof:
Consider some point $p_1 in G_1$. There exist real numbers $0< r_1 <r<1$ such that
$$N_1 = N_r_1 (p_1) subset N_r (p_1) subset G_1.$$
Let $q$ be a limit point of $N_1$. For any $epsilon > 0$ we can find $x in X$ such that $x in N_1$ and $x in N_epsilon (q)$. Hence
$$d(p_1, q) leq d(p_1, x) + d(x, q)<r_1 + epsilon.$$
Since $epsilon$ was arbitrary it follows that
$$d(p_1, q) leq r_1.$$
Thus, if $q$ is any limit point of $N_1$, $q$ is an interior point of $G_1$ (to see this, simply consider the neighbourhood of radius $0<epsilon<r-r_1$) and so we can write
$overlineN_1 subset G_1.$
Since the $G_n$ are dense, either $p_1$ is a point in $G_2$ or a limit point of $G_2$. In either case, arguing as above, we can find a point $p_2 in G_2 $ and a neighbourhood of $p_2$ with radius $r_2 < minbig(r_1, frac12big)$ such that
$$overlineN_2 subset overlineN_1$$
and, since the $G_n$ are all open, we also choose $r_2$ small enough that
$$overlineN_2 subset G_2.$$
Continuing this process, we can construct the sequence of closed subsets $BigoverlineN_nBig$. Further, by the way we have chosen the $r_n$ (i.e., $0<r_n<frac1n$), it follows $r_n to 0$, so we have actually constructed a nested sequence of closed bounded sets $BigoverlineN_nBig$ such that $diam overlineN_n to 0.$ Since $X$ is a complete metric space, the intersection of this sequence is nonempty and since each $$overlineN_n subset G_n$$ the result follows. $qquad square$
Assuming this proof is correct, I am wondering if it can be extended to show that the intersection of the $G_n$ is actually dense, or if that requires a completely different line of argument?
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Let $G_n$ be a sequence of dense open subsets of a complete metric space $X$. Show that $ bigcap_n geq 1G_n$ is nonempty.
Proof:
Consider some point $p_1 in G_1$. There exist real numbers $0< r_1 <r<1$ such that
$$N_1 = N_r_1 (p_1) subset N_r (p_1) subset G_1.$$
Let $q$ be a limit point of $N_1$. For any $epsilon > 0$ we can find $x in X$ such that $x in N_1$ and $x in N_epsilon (q)$. Hence
$$d(p_1, q) leq d(p_1, x) + d(x, q)<r_1 + epsilon.$$
Since $epsilon$ was arbitrary it follows that
$$d(p_1, q) leq r_1.$$
Thus, if $q$ is any limit point of $N_1$, $q$ is an interior point of $G_1$ (to see this, simply consider the neighbourhood of radius $0<epsilon<r-r_1$) and so we can write
$overlineN_1 subset G_1.$
Since the $G_n$ are dense, either $p_1$ is a point in $G_2$ or a limit point of $G_2$. In either case, arguing as above, we can find a point $p_2 in G_2 $ and a neighbourhood of $p_2$ with radius $r_2 < minbig(r_1, frac12big)$ such that
$$overlineN_2 subset overlineN_1$$
and, since the $G_n$ are all open, we also choose $r_2$ small enough that
$$overlineN_2 subset G_2.$$
Continuing this process, we can construct the sequence of closed subsets $BigoverlineN_nBig$. Further, by the way we have chosen the $r_n$ (i.e., $0<r_n<frac1n$), it follows $r_n to 0$, so we have actually constructed a nested sequence of closed bounded sets $BigoverlineN_nBig$ such that $diam overlineN_n to 0.$ Since $X$ is a complete metric space, the intersection of this sequence is nonempty and since each $$overlineN_n subset G_n$$ the result follows. $qquad square$
Assuming this proof is correct, I am wondering if it can be extended to show that the intersection of the $G_n$ is actually dense, or if that requires a completely different line of argument?
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If $X$ is the empty space then each $G_n$ is empty and so is $cap_nG_n.$ This is a trivial case but sometimes an overlooked case can bite you .
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Let $G_n$ be a sequence of dense open subsets of a complete metric space $X$. Show that $ bigcap_n geq 1G_n$ is nonempty.
Proof:
Consider some point $p_1 in G_1$. There exist real numbers $0< r_1 <r<1$ such that
$$N_1 = N_r_1 (p_1) subset N_r (p_1) subset G_1.$$
Let $q$ be a limit point of $N_1$. For any $epsilon > 0$ we can find $x in X$ such that $x in N_1$ and $x in N_epsilon (q)$. Hence
$$d(p_1, q) leq d(p_1, x) + d(x, q)<r_1 + epsilon.$$
Since $epsilon$ was arbitrary it follows that
$$d(p_1, q) leq r_1.$$
Thus, if $q$ is any limit point of $N_1$, $q$ is an interior point of $G_1$ (to see this, simply consider the neighbourhood of radius $0<epsilon<r-r_1$) and so we can write
$overlineN_1 subset G_1.$
Since the $G_n$ are dense, either $p_1$ is a point in $G_2$ or a limit point of $G_2$. In either case, arguing as above, we can find a point $p_2 in G_2 $ and a neighbourhood of $p_2$ with radius $r_2 < minbig(r_1, frac12big)$ such that
$$overlineN_2 subset overlineN_1$$
and, since the $G_n$ are all open, we also choose $r_2$ small enough that
$$overlineN_2 subset G_2.$$
Continuing this process, we can construct the sequence of closed subsets $BigoverlineN_nBig$. Further, by the way we have chosen the $r_n$ (i.e., $0<r_n<frac1n$), it follows $r_n to 0$, so we have actually constructed a nested sequence of closed bounded sets $BigoverlineN_nBig$ such that $diam overlineN_n to 0.$ Since $X$ is a complete metric space, the intersection of this sequence is nonempty and since each $$overlineN_n subset G_n$$ the result follows. $qquad square$
Assuming this proof is correct, I am wondering if it can be extended to show that the intersection of the $G_n$ is actually dense, or if that requires a completely different line of argument?
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Let $G_n$ be a sequence of dense open subsets of a complete metric space $X$. Show that $ bigcap_n geq 1G_n$ is nonempty.
Proof:
Consider some point $p_1 in G_1$. There exist real numbers $0< r_1 <r<1$ such that
$$N_1 = N_r_1 (p_1) subset N_r (p_1) subset G_1.$$
Let $q$ be a limit point of $N_1$. For any $epsilon > 0$ we can find $x in X$ such that $x in N_1$ and $x in N_epsilon (q)$. Hence
$$d(p_1, q) leq d(p_1, x) + d(x, q)<r_1 + epsilon.$$
Since $epsilon$ was arbitrary it follows that
$$d(p_1, q) leq r_1.$$
Thus, if $q$ is any limit point of $N_1$, $q$ is an interior point of $G_1$ (to see this, simply consider the neighbourhood of radius $0<epsilon<r-r_1$) and so we can write
$overlineN_1 subset G_1.$
Since the $G_n$ are dense, either $p_1$ is a point in $G_2$ or a limit point of $G_2$. In either case, arguing as above, we can find a point $p_2 in G_2 $ and a neighbourhood of $p_2$ with radius $r_2 < minbig(r_1, frac12big)$ such that
$$overlineN_2 subset overlineN_1$$
and, since the $G_n$ are all open, we also choose $r_2$ small enough that
$$overlineN_2 subset G_2.$$
Continuing this process, we can construct the sequence of closed subsets $BigoverlineN_nBig$. Further, by the way we have chosen the $r_n$ (i.e., $0<r_n<frac1n$), it follows $r_n to 0$, so we have actually constructed a nested sequence of closed bounded sets $BigoverlineN_nBig$ such that $diam overlineN_n to 0.$ Since $X$ is a complete metric space, the intersection of this sequence is nonempty and since each $$overlineN_n subset G_n$$ the result follows. $qquad square$
Assuming this proof is correct, I am wondering if it can be extended to show that the intersection of the $G_n$ is actually dense, or if that requires a completely different line of argument?
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If $X$ is the empty space then each $G_n$ is empty and so is $cap_nG_n.$ This is a trivial case but sometimes an overlooked case can bite you .
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 23 at 4:39
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If $X$ is the empty space then each $G_n$ is empty and so is $cap_nG_n.$ This is a trivial case but sometimes an overlooked case can bite you .
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 23 at 4:39
If $X$ is the empty space then each $G_n$ is empty and so is $cap_nG_n.$ This is a trivial case but sometimes an overlooked case can bite you .
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 23 at 4:39
If $X$ is the empty space then each $G_n$ is empty and so is $cap_nG_n.$ This is a trivial case but sometimes an overlooked case can bite you .
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 23 at 4:39
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That the intersection of the $G_n$ is dense, is a small modification of the above argument: let $O$ be any non-empty open set in $X$, and start with an open ball $N_0 subseteq O$ and stay inside $N_0$ with all subsequent steps. This hardly takes any effort at all, but does show that the $x in cap G_n$ is also in $N_0$ hence in $O$. So the intersection of the $G_n$ intersects every non-empty open set, hence is dense.
The construction of the $N_n$ can be a bit simplified:
- Start with $p_0 in O$ and $N_0 := B(p, r_0) subseteq O$.
- $N_0$ is open, so $G_1 cap N_0$ is non-empty (as $G_1$ is dense) and open (as $G_1$ is open). So pick $p_1 in G_1 cap N_0$ and let $0< r_1 < 1$ be small enough that $overlineB(p_1, r_1) subseteq G_1 cap N_0$. Define $N_1 = B(p_1, r_1)$.
- $N_1$ is open and again we have that $p_2 in N_1 cap G_0 cap G_1$ exists by denseness and this set is open so there exists $0<r_2 < frac12$ such that $overlineB(p_2, r_2) subseteq (N_1 cap G_0 cap G_1)$. Define $N_2 = B(p_2, r_2)$.
- continue this process recursively.
No distinguishing limit points etc. Just go straight to the goal.
Then the $overlineN_n$ $n ge 1$ form the required nested family that the Cantor intersection theorem can be applied to. The promised $p in bigcap_n ge 1 overlineN_n subseteq O cap bigcap_n ge 1O_n$ witnesses the denseness of $bigcap_n ge 1 G_n$.
Quick question, though: how can you be sure that $overlineB(p_1,r_1) subseteq G_1 cap N_0$, without reference to limit points?
â Moed Pol Bollo
Jul 8 at 1:45
@MoedPolBollo Because $N_0 cap G_1$ is open and non-empty, as the intersection of an open and a dense open set. We pick $p_1$ in it. This is an interior point of $N_0 cap G_1$, so some ball around it sits inside $N_0 cap G_1$, say $B(p,s_1) subseteq N_0 cap G_1$, for some $s_1 >0$. Then take $r_1 = min(1, fracs_12)$ and we have $overlineB(p_1,r_1) subseteq B(p, s_1) subseteq N_0 cap G_1$ etc. In any metric space, for an open balls, if $r <s$ we know that $overlineB(p,r) subseteq x: d(p,x) le r subseteq B(p,s)$. It's easy to get smaller closures this way.
â Henno Brandsma
Jul 8 at 5:49
To the proposer: In any metric space$ (X,d)$ and any $p_1in X,$ if $0<r_1<r$ then $overline N_r_1(p_1)subset N_r(p_1)$ because we can easily show that $overline N_r_1(p_1)subset q:d(q,p_1)leq r_1.$ ... (That is, if $d(p,q)=r_1+s>r_1$ then by the triangle inequality, the open ball $N_s/2(q) $ is disjoint from $N_r_1(p)$....).... So from the first displayed line of your proof we have $overline N_1subset N_r(p_1)subset G_1.$
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The proofs of @Bollo and @Brandsma are great and I try to supplement a situation when the metric space is finite.
Supplement proof:
When the metric space $X$ is a finite set, it is always complete. However, there is no such open set $N_r(p_1) subset G_1$ (in your proof) because every point is an isolated point. Therefore the only dense open subset of $X$ is itself. So the intersection is itself, which is dense.
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That the intersection of the $G_n$ is dense, is a small modification of the above argument: let $O$ be any non-empty open set in $X$, and start with an open ball $N_0 subseteq O$ and stay inside $N_0$ with all subsequent steps. This hardly takes any effort at all, but does show that the $x in cap G_n$ is also in $N_0$ hence in $O$. So the intersection of the $G_n$ intersects every non-empty open set, hence is dense.
The construction of the $N_n$ can be a bit simplified:
- Start with $p_0 in O$ and $N_0 := B(p, r_0) subseteq O$.
- $N_0$ is open, so $G_1 cap N_0$ is non-empty (as $G_1$ is dense) and open (as $G_1$ is open). So pick $p_1 in G_1 cap N_0$ and let $0< r_1 < 1$ be small enough that $overlineB(p_1, r_1) subseteq G_1 cap N_0$. Define $N_1 = B(p_1, r_1)$.
- $N_1$ is open and again we have that $p_2 in N_1 cap G_0 cap G_1$ exists by denseness and this set is open so there exists $0<r_2 < frac12$ such that $overlineB(p_2, r_2) subseteq (N_1 cap G_0 cap G_1)$. Define $N_2 = B(p_2, r_2)$.
- continue this process recursively.
No distinguishing limit points etc. Just go straight to the goal.
Then the $overlineN_n$ $n ge 1$ form the required nested family that the Cantor intersection theorem can be applied to. The promised $p in bigcap_n ge 1 overlineN_n subseteq O cap bigcap_n ge 1O_n$ witnesses the denseness of $bigcap_n ge 1 G_n$.
Quick question, though: how can you be sure that $overlineB(p_1,r_1) subseteq G_1 cap N_0$, without reference to limit points?
â Moed Pol Bollo
Jul 8 at 1:45
@MoedPolBollo Because $N_0 cap G_1$ is open and non-empty, as the intersection of an open and a dense open set. We pick $p_1$ in it. This is an interior point of $N_0 cap G_1$, so some ball around it sits inside $N_0 cap G_1$, say $B(p,s_1) subseteq N_0 cap G_1$, for some $s_1 >0$. Then take $r_1 = min(1, fracs_12)$ and we have $overlineB(p_1,r_1) subseteq B(p, s_1) subseteq N_0 cap G_1$ etc. In any metric space, for an open balls, if $r <s$ we know that $overlineB(p,r) subseteq x: d(p,x) le r subseteq B(p,s)$. It's easy to get smaller closures this way.
â Henno Brandsma
Jul 8 at 5:49
To the proposer: In any metric space$ (X,d)$ and any $p_1in X,$ if $0<r_1<r$ then $overline N_r_1(p_1)subset N_r(p_1)$ because we can easily show that $overline N_r_1(p_1)subset q:d(q,p_1)leq r_1.$ ... (That is, if $d(p,q)=r_1+s>r_1$ then by the triangle inequality, the open ball $N_s/2(q) $ is disjoint from $N_r_1(p)$....).... So from the first displayed line of your proof we have $overline N_1subset N_r(p_1)subset G_1.$
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 23 at 4:48
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That the intersection of the $G_n$ is dense, is a small modification of the above argument: let $O$ be any non-empty open set in $X$, and start with an open ball $N_0 subseteq O$ and stay inside $N_0$ with all subsequent steps. This hardly takes any effort at all, but does show that the $x in cap G_n$ is also in $N_0$ hence in $O$. So the intersection of the $G_n$ intersects every non-empty open set, hence is dense.
The construction of the $N_n$ can be a bit simplified:
- Start with $p_0 in O$ and $N_0 := B(p, r_0) subseteq O$.
- $N_0$ is open, so $G_1 cap N_0$ is non-empty (as $G_1$ is dense) and open (as $G_1$ is open). So pick $p_1 in G_1 cap N_0$ and let $0< r_1 < 1$ be small enough that $overlineB(p_1, r_1) subseteq G_1 cap N_0$. Define $N_1 = B(p_1, r_1)$.
- $N_1$ is open and again we have that $p_2 in N_1 cap G_0 cap G_1$ exists by denseness and this set is open so there exists $0<r_2 < frac12$ such that $overlineB(p_2, r_2) subseteq (N_1 cap G_0 cap G_1)$. Define $N_2 = B(p_2, r_2)$.
- continue this process recursively.
No distinguishing limit points etc. Just go straight to the goal.
Then the $overlineN_n$ $n ge 1$ form the required nested family that the Cantor intersection theorem can be applied to. The promised $p in bigcap_n ge 1 overlineN_n subseteq O cap bigcap_n ge 1O_n$ witnesses the denseness of $bigcap_n ge 1 G_n$.
Quick question, though: how can you be sure that $overlineB(p_1,r_1) subseteq G_1 cap N_0$, without reference to limit points?
â Moed Pol Bollo
Jul 8 at 1:45
@MoedPolBollo Because $N_0 cap G_1$ is open and non-empty, as the intersection of an open and a dense open set. We pick $p_1$ in it. This is an interior point of $N_0 cap G_1$, so some ball around it sits inside $N_0 cap G_1$, say $B(p,s_1) subseteq N_0 cap G_1$, for some $s_1 >0$. Then take $r_1 = min(1, fracs_12)$ and we have $overlineB(p_1,r_1) subseteq B(p, s_1) subseteq N_0 cap G_1$ etc. In any metric space, for an open balls, if $r <s$ we know that $overlineB(p,r) subseteq x: d(p,x) le r subseteq B(p,s)$. It's easy to get smaller closures this way.
â Henno Brandsma
Jul 8 at 5:49
To the proposer: In any metric space$ (X,d)$ and any $p_1in X,$ if $0<r_1<r$ then $overline N_r_1(p_1)subset N_r(p_1)$ because we can easily show that $overline N_r_1(p_1)subset q:d(q,p_1)leq r_1.$ ... (That is, if $d(p,q)=r_1+s>r_1$ then by the triangle inequality, the open ball $N_s/2(q) $ is disjoint from $N_r_1(p)$....).... So from the first displayed line of your proof we have $overline N_1subset N_r(p_1)subset G_1.$
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 23 at 4:48
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That the intersection of the $G_n$ is dense, is a small modification of the above argument: let $O$ be any non-empty open set in $X$, and start with an open ball $N_0 subseteq O$ and stay inside $N_0$ with all subsequent steps. This hardly takes any effort at all, but does show that the $x in cap G_n$ is also in $N_0$ hence in $O$. So the intersection of the $G_n$ intersects every non-empty open set, hence is dense.
The construction of the $N_n$ can be a bit simplified:
- Start with $p_0 in O$ and $N_0 := B(p, r_0) subseteq O$.
- $N_0$ is open, so $G_1 cap N_0$ is non-empty (as $G_1$ is dense) and open (as $G_1$ is open). So pick $p_1 in G_1 cap N_0$ and let $0< r_1 < 1$ be small enough that $overlineB(p_1, r_1) subseteq G_1 cap N_0$. Define $N_1 = B(p_1, r_1)$.
- $N_1$ is open and again we have that $p_2 in N_1 cap G_0 cap G_1$ exists by denseness and this set is open so there exists $0<r_2 < frac12$ such that $overlineB(p_2, r_2) subseteq (N_1 cap G_0 cap G_1)$. Define $N_2 = B(p_2, r_2)$.
- continue this process recursively.
No distinguishing limit points etc. Just go straight to the goal.
Then the $overlineN_n$ $n ge 1$ form the required nested family that the Cantor intersection theorem can be applied to. The promised $p in bigcap_n ge 1 overlineN_n subseteq O cap bigcap_n ge 1O_n$ witnesses the denseness of $bigcap_n ge 1 G_n$.
That the intersection of the $G_n$ is dense, is a small modification of the above argument: let $O$ be any non-empty open set in $X$, and start with an open ball $N_0 subseteq O$ and stay inside $N_0$ with all subsequent steps. This hardly takes any effort at all, but does show that the $x in cap G_n$ is also in $N_0$ hence in $O$. So the intersection of the $G_n$ intersects every non-empty open set, hence is dense.
The construction of the $N_n$ can be a bit simplified:
- Start with $p_0 in O$ and $N_0 := B(p, r_0) subseteq O$.
- $N_0$ is open, so $G_1 cap N_0$ is non-empty (as $G_1$ is dense) and open (as $G_1$ is open). So pick $p_1 in G_1 cap N_0$ and let $0< r_1 < 1$ be small enough that $overlineB(p_1, r_1) subseteq G_1 cap N_0$. Define $N_1 = B(p_1, r_1)$.
- $N_1$ is open and again we have that $p_2 in N_1 cap G_0 cap G_1$ exists by denseness and this set is open so there exists $0<r_2 < frac12$ such that $overlineB(p_2, r_2) subseteq (N_1 cap G_0 cap G_1)$. Define $N_2 = B(p_2, r_2)$.
- continue this process recursively.
No distinguishing limit points etc. Just go straight to the goal.
Then the $overlineN_n$ $n ge 1$ form the required nested family that the Cantor intersection theorem can be applied to. The promised $p in bigcap_n ge 1 overlineN_n subseteq O cap bigcap_n ge 1O_n$ witnesses the denseness of $bigcap_n ge 1 G_n$.
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Quick question, though: how can you be sure that $overlineB(p_1,r_1) subseteq G_1 cap N_0$, without reference to limit points?
â Moed Pol Bollo
Jul 8 at 1:45
@MoedPolBollo Because $N_0 cap G_1$ is open and non-empty, as the intersection of an open and a dense open set. We pick $p_1$ in it. This is an interior point of $N_0 cap G_1$, so some ball around it sits inside $N_0 cap G_1$, say $B(p,s_1) subseteq N_0 cap G_1$, for some $s_1 >0$. Then take $r_1 = min(1, fracs_12)$ and we have $overlineB(p_1,r_1) subseteq B(p, s_1) subseteq N_0 cap G_1$ etc. In any metric space, for an open balls, if $r <s$ we know that $overlineB(p,r) subseteq x: d(p,x) le r subseteq B(p,s)$. It's easy to get smaller closures this way.
â Henno Brandsma
Jul 8 at 5:49
To the proposer: In any metric space$ (X,d)$ and any $p_1in X,$ if $0<r_1<r$ then $overline N_r_1(p_1)subset N_r(p_1)$ because we can easily show that $overline N_r_1(p_1)subset q:d(q,p_1)leq r_1.$ ... (That is, if $d(p,q)=r_1+s>r_1$ then by the triangle inequality, the open ball $N_s/2(q) $ is disjoint from $N_r_1(p)$....).... So from the first displayed line of your proof we have $overline N_1subset N_r(p_1)subset G_1.$
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 23 at 4:48
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Quick question, though: how can you be sure that $overlineB(p_1,r_1) subseteq G_1 cap N_0$, without reference to limit points?
â Moed Pol Bollo
Jul 8 at 1:45
@MoedPolBollo Because $N_0 cap G_1$ is open and non-empty, as the intersection of an open and a dense open set. We pick $p_1$ in it. This is an interior point of $N_0 cap G_1$, so some ball around it sits inside $N_0 cap G_1$, say $B(p,s_1) subseteq N_0 cap G_1$, for some $s_1 >0$. Then take $r_1 = min(1, fracs_12)$ and we have $overlineB(p_1,r_1) subseteq B(p, s_1) subseteq N_0 cap G_1$ etc. In any metric space, for an open balls, if $r <s$ we know that $overlineB(p,r) subseteq x: d(p,x) le r subseteq B(p,s)$. It's easy to get smaller closures this way.
â Henno Brandsma
Jul 8 at 5:49
To the proposer: In any metric space$ (X,d)$ and any $p_1in X,$ if $0<r_1<r$ then $overline N_r_1(p_1)subset N_r(p_1)$ because we can easily show that $overline N_r_1(p_1)subset q:d(q,p_1)leq r_1.$ ... (That is, if $d(p,q)=r_1+s>r_1$ then by the triangle inequality, the open ball $N_s/2(q) $ is disjoint from $N_r_1(p)$....).... So from the first displayed line of your proof we have $overline N_1subset N_r(p_1)subset G_1.$
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 23 at 4:48
Quick question, though: how can you be sure that $overlineB(p_1,r_1) subseteq G_1 cap N_0$, without reference to limit points?
â Moed Pol Bollo
Jul 8 at 1:45
Quick question, though: how can you be sure that $overlineB(p_1,r_1) subseteq G_1 cap N_0$, without reference to limit points?
â Moed Pol Bollo
Jul 8 at 1:45
@MoedPolBollo Because $N_0 cap G_1$ is open and non-empty, as the intersection of an open and a dense open set. We pick $p_1$ in it. This is an interior point of $N_0 cap G_1$, so some ball around it sits inside $N_0 cap G_1$, say $B(p,s_1) subseteq N_0 cap G_1$, for some $s_1 >0$. Then take $r_1 = min(1, fracs_12)$ and we have $overlineB(p_1,r_1) subseteq B(p, s_1) subseteq N_0 cap G_1$ etc. In any metric space, for an open balls, if $r <s$ we know that $overlineB(p,r) subseteq x: d(p,x) le r subseteq B(p,s)$. It's easy to get smaller closures this way.
â Henno Brandsma
Jul 8 at 5:49
@MoedPolBollo Because $N_0 cap G_1$ is open and non-empty, as the intersection of an open and a dense open set. We pick $p_1$ in it. This is an interior point of $N_0 cap G_1$, so some ball around it sits inside $N_0 cap G_1$, say $B(p,s_1) subseteq N_0 cap G_1$, for some $s_1 >0$. Then take $r_1 = min(1, fracs_12)$ and we have $overlineB(p_1,r_1) subseteq B(p, s_1) subseteq N_0 cap G_1$ etc. In any metric space, for an open balls, if $r <s$ we know that $overlineB(p,r) subseteq x: d(p,x) le r subseteq B(p,s)$. It's easy to get smaller closures this way.
â Henno Brandsma
Jul 8 at 5:49
To the proposer: In any metric space$ (X,d)$ and any $p_1in X,$ if $0<r_1<r$ then $overline N_r_1(p_1)subset N_r(p_1)$ because we can easily show that $overline N_r_1(p_1)subset q:d(q,p_1)leq r_1.$ ... (That is, if $d(p,q)=r_1+s>r_1$ then by the triangle inequality, the open ball $N_s/2(q) $ is disjoint from $N_r_1(p)$....).... So from the first displayed line of your proof we have $overline N_1subset N_r(p_1)subset G_1.$
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 23 at 4:48
To the proposer: In any metric space$ (X,d)$ and any $p_1in X,$ if $0<r_1<r$ then $overline N_r_1(p_1)subset N_r(p_1)$ because we can easily show that $overline N_r_1(p_1)subset q:d(q,p_1)leq r_1.$ ... (That is, if $d(p,q)=r_1+s>r_1$ then by the triangle inequality, the open ball $N_s/2(q) $ is disjoint from $N_r_1(p)$....).... So from the first displayed line of your proof we have $overline N_1subset N_r(p_1)subset G_1.$
â DanielWainfleet
Aug 23 at 4:48
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The proofs of @Bollo and @Brandsma are great and I try to supplement a situation when the metric space is finite.
Supplement proof:
When the metric space $X$ is a finite set, it is always complete. However, there is no such open set $N_r(p_1) subset G_1$ (in your proof) because every point is an isolated point. Therefore the only dense open subset of $X$ is itself. So the intersection is itself, which is dense.
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The proofs of @Bollo and @Brandsma are great and I try to supplement a situation when the metric space is finite.
Supplement proof:
When the metric space $X$ is a finite set, it is always complete. However, there is no such open set $N_r(p_1) subset G_1$ (in your proof) because every point is an isolated point. Therefore the only dense open subset of $X$ is itself. So the intersection is itself, which is dense.
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The proofs of @Bollo and @Brandsma are great and I try to supplement a situation when the metric space is finite.
Supplement proof:
When the metric space $X$ is a finite set, it is always complete. However, there is no such open set $N_r(p_1) subset G_1$ (in your proof) because every point is an isolated point. Therefore the only dense open subset of $X$ is itself. So the intersection is itself, which is dense.
The proofs of @Bollo and @Brandsma are great and I try to supplement a situation when the metric space is finite.
Supplement proof:
When the metric space $X$ is a finite set, it is always complete. However, there is no such open set $N_r(p_1) subset G_1$ (in your proof) because every point is an isolated point. Therefore the only dense open subset of $X$ is itself. So the intersection is itself, which is dense.
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If $X$ is the empty space then each $G_n$ is empty and so is $cap_nG_n.$ This is a trivial case but sometimes an overlooked case can bite you .
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