What are the maximum and minimum values of $langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle$?

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Let $V$ be an inner product space over $mathbbR$.
Suppose that $u$, $v$ and $w $ are three unit vectors in the $xy$-plane.
What are the maximum and minimum values that
$$langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle$$
can attain, and under what conditions?




My attempt:



I can say that the maximum value is $langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle= langle 1, 1rangle + langle 1, 1rangle + langle 1, 1rangle= 3$.



The minimum value is $langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle= langle 0, 0rangle + langle 0, 0rangle + langle 0, 0rangle= 0$.



Please tell me if my answers is correct or not, and help me.



Thanks in advance.







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    What does $<1,1>$ mean?
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  • $<1,1> = || 1||^2$
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    Since $V$ is a vector space, and the inner product is defined on $V$, the expression $<1,1>$ only makes sense if $1 in V$... But you don't know that...
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Let $V$ be an inner product space over $mathbbR$.
Suppose that $u$, $v$ and $w $ are three unit vectors in the $xy$-plane.
What are the maximum and minimum values that
$$langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle$$
can attain, and under what conditions?




My attempt:



I can say that the maximum value is $langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle= langle 1, 1rangle + langle 1, 1rangle + langle 1, 1rangle= 3$.



The minimum value is $langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle= langle 0, 0rangle + langle 0, 0rangle + langle 0, 0rangle= 0$.



Please tell me if my answers is correct or not, and help me.



Thanks in advance.







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  • 1




    What does $<1,1>$ mean?
    – N. S.
    Aug 26 at 19:27










  • $<1,1> = || 1||^2$
    – stupid
    Aug 26 at 19:31






  • 2




    Since $V$ is a vector space, and the inner product is defined on $V$, the expression $<1,1>$ only makes sense if $1 in V$... But you don't know that...
    – N. S.
    Aug 26 at 19:34












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Let $V$ be an inner product space over $mathbbR$.
Suppose that $u$, $v$ and $w $ are three unit vectors in the $xy$-plane.
What are the maximum and minimum values that
$$langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle$$
can attain, and under what conditions?




My attempt:



I can say that the maximum value is $langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle= langle 1, 1rangle + langle 1, 1rangle + langle 1, 1rangle= 3$.



The minimum value is $langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle= langle 0, 0rangle + langle 0, 0rangle + langle 0, 0rangle= 0$.



Please tell me if my answers is correct or not, and help me.



Thanks in advance.







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Let $V$ be an inner product space over $mathbbR$.
Suppose that $u$, $v$ and $w $ are three unit vectors in the $xy$-plane.
What are the maximum and minimum values that
$$langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle$$
can attain, and under what conditions?




My attempt:



I can say that the maximum value is $langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle= langle 1, 1rangle + langle 1, 1rangle + langle 1, 1rangle= 3$.



The minimum value is $langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle= langle 0, 0rangle + langle 0, 0rangle + langle 0, 0rangle= 0$.



Please tell me if my answers is correct or not, and help me.



Thanks in advance.









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  • 1




    What does $<1,1>$ mean?
    – N. S.
    Aug 26 at 19:27










  • $<1,1> = || 1||^2$
    – stupid
    Aug 26 at 19:31






  • 2




    Since $V$ is a vector space, and the inner product is defined on $V$, the expression $<1,1>$ only makes sense if $1 in V$... But you don't know that...
    – N. S.
    Aug 26 at 19:34












  • 1




    What does $<1,1>$ mean?
    – N. S.
    Aug 26 at 19:27










  • $<1,1> = || 1||^2$
    – stupid
    Aug 26 at 19:31






  • 2




    Since $V$ is a vector space, and the inner product is defined on $V$, the expression $<1,1>$ only makes sense if $1 in V$... But you don't know that...
    – N. S.
    Aug 26 at 19:34







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What does $<1,1>$ mean?
– N. S.
Aug 26 at 19:27




What does $<1,1>$ mean?
– N. S.
Aug 26 at 19:27












$<1,1> = || 1||^2$
– stupid
Aug 26 at 19:31




$<1,1> = || 1||^2$
– stupid
Aug 26 at 19:31




2




2




Since $V$ is a vector space, and the inner product is defined on $V$, the expression $<1,1>$ only makes sense if $1 in V$... But you don't know that...
– N. S.
Aug 26 at 19:34




Since $V$ is a vector space, and the inner product is defined on $V$, the expression $<1,1>$ only makes sense if $1 in V$... But you don't know that...
– N. S.
Aug 26 at 19:34










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We have that



$$langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle =cos alpha + cos beta + cos gamma$$



with the condition $alpha + beta + gamma=2pi implies frac alpha 2 + frac beta 2 + frac gamma 2=pi$ and therefore indicating with $A=frac alpha 2$, $B=frac beta 2$, $C= frac gamma 2$



$$cos alpha + cos beta + cos gamma=3-2(sin^2 A + sin^2B + sin^2 C)$$



which reaches its maximum value of $3$ when $sin A=sin B=sin C=0$ and since



$$sin^2 A + sin^2B + sin^2 Cle frac 9 4$$



(refer to here and Show that $sin^2(x)+sin^2(y)+sin^2(z) le9/4$ where $x, y, z$ are angles of a triangle)



we have that its minimum value is



$$3-2(sin^2 A + sin^2B + sin^2 C)ge 3-frac92=-frac 32$$



therefore




$$-frac 3 2le langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, uranglele 3$$







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  • thanks a lots @Gimusi sir
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    @stupid You are welcome! Bye
    – gimusi
    Aug 26 at 20:01










  • @dxiv Yes I get your point and I've fixed something on that. Note that we can assume the sum equal to $2pi$ assuming wlog the maximum at $alpha=beta=0$ and $gamma=2pi$ that is $A=B=0$ and $C=pi$.
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    Aug 26 at 20:24


















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Consider the identity
beginalign
|u+v+w|^2&=|u|^2+|v|^2+|w|^2+2(langle u,vrangle+langle u,wrangle+langle v,wrangle)=\
&=3+2(langle u,vrangle+langle u,wrangle+langle v,wrangle).
endalign
Then you need to optimize
$$
langle u,vrangle+langle u,wrangle+langle v,wrangle=fracu+v+w2,
$$
which is equivalent to optimizing $|u+v+w|$. The latter is quite obvious: the largest value when all vectors are parallel, the smallest when $u+v+w=0$.






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  • Very nice and elegant derivation!
    – gimusi
    Aug 26 at 20:54










  • @gimusi Thanks for appreciation.
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    Aug 26 at 21:25

















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Let $u= (x,y)$, $v= (a,b)$ and $w= (c,d)$, then we have



$$langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle =ax+by+cx+cy+ac+bd =: E$$



Since $$|ax+by| leq sqrt(a^2+b^2)(x^2+y^2) = 1$$ we have by triangle inequality $$ |E|leq 3$$






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Hint
$$ -|u | |v | leq langle u , v rangle leq | u | | v|$$
by Cauchy Schwarz, with equality when the vectors are proportional.



From here the maximum is easy to attain.



The minimum is trickier, as you cannot get the lower equality for all three vectors at the same time. It is easy to find vectors for which the sum is $-1$, but the min is smaller than that.



If the three vectors are in the same plane, and the inner product is the dot product, you can express the dot product of the vectors in terms of the angles between vectors and find the min of the sum of $cos$ of the angles.






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  • thanks N. S im not able to thinks sum of the vector is -1 ?? can u elaborate that line
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  • @stupid Set $v=-u, w=u$. But three vectors with $120^circ$ degrees between them lead to a smaller sum, and that is probably the min.
    – N. S.
    Aug 26 at 20:11











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We have that



$$langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle =cos alpha + cos beta + cos gamma$$



with the condition $alpha + beta + gamma=2pi implies frac alpha 2 + frac beta 2 + frac gamma 2=pi$ and therefore indicating with $A=frac alpha 2$, $B=frac beta 2$, $C= frac gamma 2$



$$cos alpha + cos beta + cos gamma=3-2(sin^2 A + sin^2B + sin^2 C)$$



which reaches its maximum value of $3$ when $sin A=sin B=sin C=0$ and since



$$sin^2 A + sin^2B + sin^2 Cle frac 9 4$$



(refer to here and Show that $sin^2(x)+sin^2(y)+sin^2(z) le9/4$ where $x, y, z$ are angles of a triangle)



we have that its minimum value is



$$3-2(sin^2 A + sin^2B + sin^2 C)ge 3-frac92=-frac 32$$



therefore




$$-frac 3 2le langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, uranglele 3$$







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  • thanks a lots @Gimusi sir
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    Aug 26 at 19:56






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    @stupid You are welcome! Bye
    – gimusi
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  • @dxiv Yes I get your point and I've fixed something on that. Note that we can assume the sum equal to $2pi$ assuming wlog the maximum at $alpha=beta=0$ and $gamma=2pi$ that is $A=B=0$ and $C=pi$.
    – gimusi
    Aug 26 at 20:24















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We have that



$$langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle =cos alpha + cos beta + cos gamma$$



with the condition $alpha + beta + gamma=2pi implies frac alpha 2 + frac beta 2 + frac gamma 2=pi$ and therefore indicating with $A=frac alpha 2$, $B=frac beta 2$, $C= frac gamma 2$



$$cos alpha + cos beta + cos gamma=3-2(sin^2 A + sin^2B + sin^2 C)$$



which reaches its maximum value of $3$ when $sin A=sin B=sin C=0$ and since



$$sin^2 A + sin^2B + sin^2 Cle frac 9 4$$



(refer to here and Show that $sin^2(x)+sin^2(y)+sin^2(z) le9/4$ where $x, y, z$ are angles of a triangle)



we have that its minimum value is



$$3-2(sin^2 A + sin^2B + sin^2 C)ge 3-frac92=-frac 32$$



therefore




$$-frac 3 2le langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, uranglele 3$$







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  • thanks a lots @Gimusi sir
    – stupid
    Aug 26 at 19:56






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    @stupid You are welcome! Bye
    – gimusi
    Aug 26 at 20:01










  • @dxiv Yes I get your point and I've fixed something on that. Note that we can assume the sum equal to $2pi$ assuming wlog the maximum at $alpha=beta=0$ and $gamma=2pi$ that is $A=B=0$ and $C=pi$.
    – gimusi
    Aug 26 at 20:24













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up vote
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We have that



$$langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle =cos alpha + cos beta + cos gamma$$



with the condition $alpha + beta + gamma=2pi implies frac alpha 2 + frac beta 2 + frac gamma 2=pi$ and therefore indicating with $A=frac alpha 2$, $B=frac beta 2$, $C= frac gamma 2$



$$cos alpha + cos beta + cos gamma=3-2(sin^2 A + sin^2B + sin^2 C)$$



which reaches its maximum value of $3$ when $sin A=sin B=sin C=0$ and since



$$sin^2 A + sin^2B + sin^2 Cle frac 9 4$$



(refer to here and Show that $sin^2(x)+sin^2(y)+sin^2(z) le9/4$ where $x, y, z$ are angles of a triangle)



we have that its minimum value is



$$3-2(sin^2 A + sin^2B + sin^2 C)ge 3-frac92=-frac 32$$



therefore




$$-frac 3 2le langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, uranglele 3$$







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We have that



$$langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle =cos alpha + cos beta + cos gamma$$



with the condition $alpha + beta + gamma=2pi implies frac alpha 2 + frac beta 2 + frac gamma 2=pi$ and therefore indicating with $A=frac alpha 2$, $B=frac beta 2$, $C= frac gamma 2$



$$cos alpha + cos beta + cos gamma=3-2(sin^2 A + sin^2B + sin^2 C)$$



which reaches its maximum value of $3$ when $sin A=sin B=sin C=0$ and since



$$sin^2 A + sin^2B + sin^2 Cle frac 9 4$$



(refer to here and Show that $sin^2(x)+sin^2(y)+sin^2(z) le9/4$ where $x, y, z$ are angles of a triangle)



we have that its minimum value is



$$3-2(sin^2 A + sin^2B + sin^2 C)ge 3-frac92=-frac 32$$



therefore




$$-frac 3 2le langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, uranglele 3$$








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  • thanks a lots @Gimusi sir
    – stupid
    Aug 26 at 19:56






  • 1




    @stupid You are welcome! Bye
    – gimusi
    Aug 26 at 20:01










  • @dxiv Yes I get your point and I've fixed something on that. Note that we can assume the sum equal to $2pi$ assuming wlog the maximum at $alpha=beta=0$ and $gamma=2pi$ that is $A=B=0$ and $C=pi$.
    – gimusi
    Aug 26 at 20:24

















  • thanks a lots @Gimusi sir
    – stupid
    Aug 26 at 19:56






  • 1




    @stupid You are welcome! Bye
    – gimusi
    Aug 26 at 20:01










  • @dxiv Yes I get your point and I've fixed something on that. Note that we can assume the sum equal to $2pi$ assuming wlog the maximum at $alpha=beta=0$ and $gamma=2pi$ that is $A=B=0$ and $C=pi$.
    – gimusi
    Aug 26 at 20:24
















thanks a lots @Gimusi sir
– stupid
Aug 26 at 19:56




thanks a lots @Gimusi sir
– stupid
Aug 26 at 19:56




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1




@stupid You are welcome! Bye
– gimusi
Aug 26 at 20:01




@stupid You are welcome! Bye
– gimusi
Aug 26 at 20:01












@dxiv Yes I get your point and I've fixed something on that. Note that we can assume the sum equal to $2pi$ assuming wlog the maximum at $alpha=beta=0$ and $gamma=2pi$ that is $A=B=0$ and $C=pi$.
– gimusi
Aug 26 at 20:24





@dxiv Yes I get your point and I've fixed something on that. Note that we can assume the sum equal to $2pi$ assuming wlog the maximum at $alpha=beta=0$ and $gamma=2pi$ that is $A=B=0$ and $C=pi$.
– gimusi
Aug 26 at 20:24











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Consider the identity
beginalign
|u+v+w|^2&=|u|^2+|v|^2+|w|^2+2(langle u,vrangle+langle u,wrangle+langle v,wrangle)=\
&=3+2(langle u,vrangle+langle u,wrangle+langle v,wrangle).
endalign
Then you need to optimize
$$
langle u,vrangle+langle u,wrangle+langle v,wrangle=fracu+v+w2,
$$
which is equivalent to optimizing $|u+v+w|$. The latter is quite obvious: the largest value when all vectors are parallel, the smallest when $u+v+w=0$.






share|cite|improve this answer




















  • Very nice and elegant derivation!
    – gimusi
    Aug 26 at 20:54










  • @gimusi Thanks for appreciation.
    – A.Γ.
    Aug 26 at 21:25














up vote
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Consider the identity
beginalign
|u+v+w|^2&=|u|^2+|v|^2+|w|^2+2(langle u,vrangle+langle u,wrangle+langle v,wrangle)=\
&=3+2(langle u,vrangle+langle u,wrangle+langle v,wrangle).
endalign
Then you need to optimize
$$
langle u,vrangle+langle u,wrangle+langle v,wrangle=fracu+v+w2,
$$
which is equivalent to optimizing $|u+v+w|$. The latter is quite obvious: the largest value when all vectors are parallel, the smallest when $u+v+w=0$.






share|cite|improve this answer




















  • Very nice and elegant derivation!
    – gimusi
    Aug 26 at 20:54










  • @gimusi Thanks for appreciation.
    – A.Γ.
    Aug 26 at 21:25












up vote
3
down vote










up vote
3
down vote









Consider the identity
beginalign
|u+v+w|^2&=|u|^2+|v|^2+|w|^2+2(langle u,vrangle+langle u,wrangle+langle v,wrangle)=\
&=3+2(langle u,vrangle+langle u,wrangle+langle v,wrangle).
endalign
Then you need to optimize
$$
langle u,vrangle+langle u,wrangle+langle v,wrangle=fracu+v+w2,
$$
which is equivalent to optimizing $|u+v+w|$. The latter is quite obvious: the largest value when all vectors are parallel, the smallest when $u+v+w=0$.






share|cite|improve this answer












Consider the identity
beginalign
|u+v+w|^2&=|u|^2+|v|^2+|w|^2+2(langle u,vrangle+langle u,wrangle+langle v,wrangle)=\
&=3+2(langle u,vrangle+langle u,wrangle+langle v,wrangle).
endalign
Then you need to optimize
$$
langle u,vrangle+langle u,wrangle+langle v,wrangle=fracu+v+w2,
$$
which is equivalent to optimizing $|u+v+w|$. The latter is quite obvious: the largest value when all vectors are parallel, the smallest when $u+v+w=0$.







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  • Very nice and elegant derivation!
    – gimusi
    Aug 26 at 20:54










  • @gimusi Thanks for appreciation.
    – A.Γ.
    Aug 26 at 21:25
















  • Very nice and elegant derivation!
    – gimusi
    Aug 26 at 20:54










  • @gimusi Thanks for appreciation.
    – A.Γ.
    Aug 26 at 21:25















Very nice and elegant derivation!
– gimusi
Aug 26 at 20:54




Very nice and elegant derivation!
– gimusi
Aug 26 at 20:54












@gimusi Thanks for appreciation.
– A.Γ.
Aug 26 at 21:25




@gimusi Thanks for appreciation.
– A.Γ.
Aug 26 at 21:25










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Let $u= (x,y)$, $v= (a,b)$ and $w= (c,d)$, then we have



$$langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle =ax+by+cx+cy+ac+bd =: E$$



Since $$|ax+by| leq sqrt(a^2+b^2)(x^2+y^2) = 1$$ we have by triangle inequality $$ |E|leq 3$$






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  • thanks @greedoid.....what is minimum value ???
    – stupid
    Aug 26 at 19:37














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Let $u= (x,y)$, $v= (a,b)$ and $w= (c,d)$, then we have



$$langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle =ax+by+cx+cy+ac+bd =: E$$



Since $$|ax+by| leq sqrt(a^2+b^2)(x^2+y^2) = 1$$ we have by triangle inequality $$ |E|leq 3$$






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  • thanks @greedoid.....what is minimum value ???
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    Aug 26 at 19:37












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Let $u= (x,y)$, $v= (a,b)$ and $w= (c,d)$, then we have



$$langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle =ax+by+cx+cy+ac+bd =: E$$



Since $$|ax+by| leq sqrt(a^2+b^2)(x^2+y^2) = 1$$ we have by triangle inequality $$ |E|leq 3$$






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Let $u= (x,y)$, $v= (a,b)$ and $w= (c,d)$, then we have



$$langle u, vrangle + langle v, wrangle + langle w, urangle =ax+by+cx+cy+ac+bd =: E$$



Since $$|ax+by| leq sqrt(a^2+b^2)(x^2+y^2) = 1$$ we have by triangle inequality $$ |E|leq 3$$







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  • thanks @greedoid.....what is minimum value ???
    – stupid
    Aug 26 at 19:37
















  • thanks @greedoid.....what is minimum value ???
    – stupid
    Aug 26 at 19:37















thanks @greedoid.....what is minimum value ???
– stupid
Aug 26 at 19:37




thanks @greedoid.....what is minimum value ???
– stupid
Aug 26 at 19:37










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Hint
$$ -|u | |v | leq langle u , v rangle leq | u | | v|$$
by Cauchy Schwarz, with equality when the vectors are proportional.



From here the maximum is easy to attain.



The minimum is trickier, as you cannot get the lower equality for all three vectors at the same time. It is easy to find vectors for which the sum is $-1$, but the min is smaller than that.



If the three vectors are in the same plane, and the inner product is the dot product, you can express the dot product of the vectors in terms of the angles between vectors and find the min of the sum of $cos$ of the angles.






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  • thanks N. S im not able to thinks sum of the vector is -1 ?? can u elaborate that line
    – stupid
    Aug 26 at 19:38










  • @stupid Set $v=-u, w=u$. But three vectors with $120^circ$ degrees between them lead to a smaller sum, and that is probably the min.
    – N. S.
    Aug 26 at 20:11















up vote
1
down vote













Hint
$$ -|u | |v | leq langle u , v rangle leq | u | | v|$$
by Cauchy Schwarz, with equality when the vectors are proportional.



From here the maximum is easy to attain.



The minimum is trickier, as you cannot get the lower equality for all three vectors at the same time. It is easy to find vectors for which the sum is $-1$, but the min is smaller than that.



If the three vectors are in the same plane, and the inner product is the dot product, you can express the dot product of the vectors in terms of the angles between vectors and find the min of the sum of $cos$ of the angles.






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  • thanks N. S im not able to thinks sum of the vector is -1 ?? can u elaborate that line
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  • @stupid Set $v=-u, w=u$. But three vectors with $120^circ$ degrees between them lead to a smaller sum, and that is probably the min.
    – N. S.
    Aug 26 at 20:11













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Hint
$$ -|u | |v | leq langle u , v rangle leq | u | | v|$$
by Cauchy Schwarz, with equality when the vectors are proportional.



From here the maximum is easy to attain.



The minimum is trickier, as you cannot get the lower equality for all three vectors at the same time. It is easy to find vectors for which the sum is $-1$, but the min is smaller than that.



If the three vectors are in the same plane, and the inner product is the dot product, you can express the dot product of the vectors in terms of the angles between vectors and find the min of the sum of $cos$ of the angles.






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Hint
$$ -|u | |v | leq langle u , v rangle leq | u | | v|$$
by Cauchy Schwarz, with equality when the vectors are proportional.



From here the maximum is easy to attain.



The minimum is trickier, as you cannot get the lower equality for all three vectors at the same time. It is easy to find vectors for which the sum is $-1$, but the min is smaller than that.



If the three vectors are in the same plane, and the inner product is the dot product, you can express the dot product of the vectors in terms of the angles between vectors and find the min of the sum of $cos$ of the angles.







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  • thanks N. S im not able to thinks sum of the vector is -1 ?? can u elaborate that line
    – stupid
    Aug 26 at 19:38










  • @stupid Set $v=-u, w=u$. But three vectors with $120^circ$ degrees between them lead to a smaller sum, and that is probably the min.
    – N. S.
    Aug 26 at 20:11

















  • thanks N. S im not able to thinks sum of the vector is -1 ?? can u elaborate that line
    – stupid
    Aug 26 at 19:38










  • @stupid Set $v=-u, w=u$. But three vectors with $120^circ$ degrees between them lead to a smaller sum, and that is probably the min.
    – N. S.
    Aug 26 at 20:11
















thanks N. S im not able to thinks sum of the vector is -1 ?? can u elaborate that line
– stupid
Aug 26 at 19:38




thanks N. S im not able to thinks sum of the vector is -1 ?? can u elaborate that line
– stupid
Aug 26 at 19:38












@stupid Set $v=-u, w=u$. But three vectors with $120^circ$ degrees between them lead to a smaller sum, and that is probably the min.
– N. S.
Aug 26 at 20:11





@stupid Set $v=-u, w=u$. But three vectors with $120^circ$ degrees between them lead to a smaller sum, and that is probably the min.
– N. S.
Aug 26 at 20:11


















 

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