Finding covariance for the joint density function $f(y_1, y_2) = 3 y_1$ with $0 leq y_2 leq y_1 leq 1$ and $0$ otherwise

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The problem asks to find the covariance. The joint density function is defined as,
$$
f(y_1,y_2)=
begincases
3y_1, & textfor $0 leq y_2 leq y_1 leq 1$, \
0, & textelsewhere. \
endcases
$$
My text defines
$$
operatornameCov(Y_1,Y_2)
= mathbbE(Y_1 Y_2) - mathbbE(Y_1)mathbbE(Y_2).
$$
I'm having problems finding $mathbbE(Y_2)$. My attempt is
begingather*
mathbbE(Y_2) = int_-infty^infty y_2 f_2(y_2) ,mathrmdy_2,
\
f_2(y_2) = int_-infty^infty f(y_1,y_2) ,mathrmdy_1
= int_0^1 3y_1 ,mathrmdy_1 = frac32,
\
mathbbE(Y_2) = int_0^1 y_2 frac32 ,mathrmdy_2
= frac34.
endgather*
But my book says $mathbbE(Y_2)= 3/8$. Where did I go wrong?







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    The problem asks to find the covariance. The joint density function is defined as,
    $$
    f(y_1,y_2)=
    begincases
    3y_1, & textfor $0 leq y_2 leq y_1 leq 1$, \
    0, & textelsewhere. \
    endcases
    $$
    My text defines
    $$
    operatornameCov(Y_1,Y_2)
    = mathbbE(Y_1 Y_2) - mathbbE(Y_1)mathbbE(Y_2).
    $$
    I'm having problems finding $mathbbE(Y_2)$. My attempt is
    begingather*
    mathbbE(Y_2) = int_-infty^infty y_2 f_2(y_2) ,mathrmdy_2,
    \
    f_2(y_2) = int_-infty^infty f(y_1,y_2) ,mathrmdy_1
    = int_0^1 3y_1 ,mathrmdy_1 = frac32,
    \
    mathbbE(Y_2) = int_0^1 y_2 frac32 ,mathrmdy_2
    = frac34.
    endgather*
    But my book says $mathbbE(Y_2)= 3/8$. Where did I go wrong?







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      The problem asks to find the covariance. The joint density function is defined as,
      $$
      f(y_1,y_2)=
      begincases
      3y_1, & textfor $0 leq y_2 leq y_1 leq 1$, \
      0, & textelsewhere. \
      endcases
      $$
      My text defines
      $$
      operatornameCov(Y_1,Y_2)
      = mathbbE(Y_1 Y_2) - mathbbE(Y_1)mathbbE(Y_2).
      $$
      I'm having problems finding $mathbbE(Y_2)$. My attempt is
      begingather*
      mathbbE(Y_2) = int_-infty^infty y_2 f_2(y_2) ,mathrmdy_2,
      \
      f_2(y_2) = int_-infty^infty f(y_1,y_2) ,mathrmdy_1
      = int_0^1 3y_1 ,mathrmdy_1 = frac32,
      \
      mathbbE(Y_2) = int_0^1 y_2 frac32 ,mathrmdy_2
      = frac34.
      endgather*
      But my book says $mathbbE(Y_2)= 3/8$. Where did I go wrong?







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      The problem asks to find the covariance. The joint density function is defined as,
      $$
      f(y_1,y_2)=
      begincases
      3y_1, & textfor $0 leq y_2 leq y_1 leq 1$, \
      0, & textelsewhere. \
      endcases
      $$
      My text defines
      $$
      operatornameCov(Y_1,Y_2)
      = mathbbE(Y_1 Y_2) - mathbbE(Y_1)mathbbE(Y_2).
      $$
      I'm having problems finding $mathbbE(Y_2)$. My attempt is
      begingather*
      mathbbE(Y_2) = int_-infty^infty y_2 f_2(y_2) ,mathrmdy_2,
      \
      f_2(y_2) = int_-infty^infty f(y_1,y_2) ,mathrmdy_1
      = int_0^1 3y_1 ,mathrmdy_1 = frac32,
      \
      mathbbE(Y_2) = int_0^1 y_2 frac32 ,mathrmdy_2
      = frac34.
      endgather*
      But my book says $mathbbE(Y_2)= 3/8$. Where did I go wrong?









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          Pay attention when you evaluate the marginal distribution of $Y_2$. Observe that



          $$0 leq y_2 leq y_1 leq 1.$$



          Therefore, since you are integrating $y_1$ to get the marginal of $Y_2$, then the integration must be done on the set $y_2 leq y_1 leq 1$, not on $0 leq y_1 leq 1.$ In this case:



          $$f_2(y_2)=int_-infty^infty f(y_1,y_2) dy_1
          =int_y_2^13y_1dy_1=frac32(1-y_2^2),$$



          valid for $0 leq y_2 leq 1.$



          Then, the expected value of $Y_2$ is:
          .
          $$mathbbE(Y_2)=int_0^1 y_2 frac32(1-y_2^2)dy_2=dfrac38.$$



          Same reasonings hold for the marginal of $Y_1$. In this case, you should consider $0 leq y_2 leq y_1.$






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          • We both posted answers to the question. However, we used different limits for our integral. I am wondering why that is. Is it because you integrated $y_1$ first and I integrated $y_2$ first?
            – Bob
            Aug 26 at 20:51










          • I understand this way. Why is @Bob 's answer also correct?
            – 1337
            Aug 26 at 21:05











          • Why do think my answer is wrong?
            – Bob
            Aug 26 at 21:49










          • @Bob There is no theory behind your calculation. I think that the result is the same for a coincidence. That's all.
            – the_candyman
            Aug 26 at 22:22

















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          $$
          f_Y_2(y_2) = int_y_2^1 3y_1, dy_1. text This should not be int_0^1.
          $$
          The main error here appears to be trying to solve math problems by proceeding algorithmically rather than by understanding. The educational system in effect encourages that, and professors have their heads buried deep in the sand about that issue.






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          • Could you explain why this works? I thought to get the marginal probability of $Y_2$ we have to integrate over all $Y_1$. What is the difference between this way and the way @the_candyman did it with $dy_1$?
            – 1337
            Aug 26 at 21:09











          • @1337 : Sorry --- I mistook one variable for the other. I've fixed it.
            – Michael Hardy
            Aug 26 at 21:13










          • Here you're using the fact that $y_2 le y_1le 1$ $vphantomdfrac1int$except in regions where the density is zero. @1337
            – Michael Hardy
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          To find $E(Y_2)$ you should use a double integral since the density function has two variables.
          begineqnarray*
          E(Y_2) &=& int_0^1 int_0^y_1 3 y_1 y_2 ,, dy_2 dy_1 \
          E(Y_2) &=& int_0^1 frac 3 y_1 y_2^22 Bigg|_y_2=0^y_2=y_1 ,, dy_1 =
          int_0^1 frac3y_1^32 ,, dy_1 \
          E(Y_2) &=& frac3y_1^48 Big|_0^1 \
          E(Y_2) &=& frac38
          endeqnarray*



          I hope this helps. Feel free to ask a follow up question.
          Bob






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            Pay attention when you evaluate the marginal distribution of $Y_2$. Observe that



            $$0 leq y_2 leq y_1 leq 1.$$



            Therefore, since you are integrating $y_1$ to get the marginal of $Y_2$, then the integration must be done on the set $y_2 leq y_1 leq 1$, not on $0 leq y_1 leq 1.$ In this case:



            $$f_2(y_2)=int_-infty^infty f(y_1,y_2) dy_1
            =int_y_2^13y_1dy_1=frac32(1-y_2^2),$$



            valid for $0 leq y_2 leq 1.$



            Then, the expected value of $Y_2$ is:
            .
            $$mathbbE(Y_2)=int_0^1 y_2 frac32(1-y_2^2)dy_2=dfrac38.$$



            Same reasonings hold for the marginal of $Y_1$. In this case, you should consider $0 leq y_2 leq y_1.$






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            • We both posted answers to the question. However, we used different limits for our integral. I am wondering why that is. Is it because you integrated $y_1$ first and I integrated $y_2$ first?
              – Bob
              Aug 26 at 20:51










            • I understand this way. Why is @Bob 's answer also correct?
              – 1337
              Aug 26 at 21:05











            • Why do think my answer is wrong?
              – Bob
              Aug 26 at 21:49










            • @Bob There is no theory behind your calculation. I think that the result is the same for a coincidence. That's all.
              – the_candyman
              Aug 26 at 22:22














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            Pay attention when you evaluate the marginal distribution of $Y_2$. Observe that



            $$0 leq y_2 leq y_1 leq 1.$$



            Therefore, since you are integrating $y_1$ to get the marginal of $Y_2$, then the integration must be done on the set $y_2 leq y_1 leq 1$, not on $0 leq y_1 leq 1.$ In this case:



            $$f_2(y_2)=int_-infty^infty f(y_1,y_2) dy_1
            =int_y_2^13y_1dy_1=frac32(1-y_2^2),$$



            valid for $0 leq y_2 leq 1.$



            Then, the expected value of $Y_2$ is:
            .
            $$mathbbE(Y_2)=int_0^1 y_2 frac32(1-y_2^2)dy_2=dfrac38.$$



            Same reasonings hold for the marginal of $Y_1$. In this case, you should consider $0 leq y_2 leq y_1.$






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            • We both posted answers to the question. However, we used different limits for our integral. I am wondering why that is. Is it because you integrated $y_1$ first and I integrated $y_2$ first?
              – Bob
              Aug 26 at 20:51










            • I understand this way. Why is @Bob 's answer also correct?
              – 1337
              Aug 26 at 21:05











            • Why do think my answer is wrong?
              – Bob
              Aug 26 at 21:49










            • @Bob There is no theory behind your calculation. I think that the result is the same for a coincidence. That's all.
              – the_candyman
              Aug 26 at 22:22












            up vote
            1
            down vote



            accepted







            up vote
            1
            down vote



            accepted






            Pay attention when you evaluate the marginal distribution of $Y_2$. Observe that



            $$0 leq y_2 leq y_1 leq 1.$$



            Therefore, since you are integrating $y_1$ to get the marginal of $Y_2$, then the integration must be done on the set $y_2 leq y_1 leq 1$, not on $0 leq y_1 leq 1.$ In this case:



            $$f_2(y_2)=int_-infty^infty f(y_1,y_2) dy_1
            =int_y_2^13y_1dy_1=frac32(1-y_2^2),$$



            valid for $0 leq y_2 leq 1.$



            Then, the expected value of $Y_2$ is:
            .
            $$mathbbE(Y_2)=int_0^1 y_2 frac32(1-y_2^2)dy_2=dfrac38.$$



            Same reasonings hold for the marginal of $Y_1$. In this case, you should consider $0 leq y_2 leq y_1.$






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            Pay attention when you evaluate the marginal distribution of $Y_2$. Observe that



            $$0 leq y_2 leq y_1 leq 1.$$



            Therefore, since you are integrating $y_1$ to get the marginal of $Y_2$, then the integration must be done on the set $y_2 leq y_1 leq 1$, not on $0 leq y_1 leq 1.$ In this case:



            $$f_2(y_2)=int_-infty^infty f(y_1,y_2) dy_1
            =int_y_2^13y_1dy_1=frac32(1-y_2^2),$$



            valid for $0 leq y_2 leq 1.$



            Then, the expected value of $Y_2$ is:
            .
            $$mathbbE(Y_2)=int_0^1 y_2 frac32(1-y_2^2)dy_2=dfrac38.$$



            Same reasonings hold for the marginal of $Y_1$. In this case, you should consider $0 leq y_2 leq y_1.$







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            • We both posted answers to the question. However, we used different limits for our integral. I am wondering why that is. Is it because you integrated $y_1$ first and I integrated $y_2$ first?
              – Bob
              Aug 26 at 20:51










            • I understand this way. Why is @Bob 's answer also correct?
              – 1337
              Aug 26 at 21:05











            • Why do think my answer is wrong?
              – Bob
              Aug 26 at 21:49










            • @Bob There is no theory behind your calculation. I think that the result is the same for a coincidence. That's all.
              – the_candyman
              Aug 26 at 22:22
















            • We both posted answers to the question. However, we used different limits for our integral. I am wondering why that is. Is it because you integrated $y_1$ first and I integrated $y_2$ first?
              – Bob
              Aug 26 at 20:51










            • I understand this way. Why is @Bob 's answer also correct?
              – 1337
              Aug 26 at 21:05











            • Why do think my answer is wrong?
              – Bob
              Aug 26 at 21:49










            • @Bob There is no theory behind your calculation. I think that the result is the same for a coincidence. That's all.
              – the_candyman
              Aug 26 at 22:22















            We both posted answers to the question. However, we used different limits for our integral. I am wondering why that is. Is it because you integrated $y_1$ first and I integrated $y_2$ first?
            – Bob
            Aug 26 at 20:51




            We both posted answers to the question. However, we used different limits for our integral. I am wondering why that is. Is it because you integrated $y_1$ first and I integrated $y_2$ first?
            – Bob
            Aug 26 at 20:51












            I understand this way. Why is @Bob 's answer also correct?
            – 1337
            Aug 26 at 21:05





            I understand this way. Why is @Bob 's answer also correct?
            – 1337
            Aug 26 at 21:05













            Why do think my answer is wrong?
            – Bob
            Aug 26 at 21:49




            Why do think my answer is wrong?
            – Bob
            Aug 26 at 21:49












            @Bob There is no theory behind your calculation. I think that the result is the same for a coincidence. That's all.
            – the_candyman
            Aug 26 at 22:22




            @Bob There is no theory behind your calculation. I think that the result is the same for a coincidence. That's all.
            – the_candyman
            Aug 26 at 22:22










            up vote
            1
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            $$
            f_Y_2(y_2) = int_y_2^1 3y_1, dy_1. text This should not be int_0^1.
            $$
            The main error here appears to be trying to solve math problems by proceeding algorithmically rather than by understanding. The educational system in effect encourages that, and professors have their heads buried deep in the sand about that issue.






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            • Could you explain why this works? I thought to get the marginal probability of $Y_2$ we have to integrate over all $Y_1$. What is the difference between this way and the way @the_candyman did it with $dy_1$?
              – 1337
              Aug 26 at 21:09











            • @1337 : Sorry --- I mistook one variable for the other. I've fixed it.
              – Michael Hardy
              Aug 26 at 21:13










            • Here you're using the fact that $y_2 le y_1le 1$ $vphantomdfrac1int$except in regions where the density is zero. @1337
              – Michael Hardy
              Aug 26 at 21:13















            up vote
            1
            down vote













            $$
            f_Y_2(y_2) = int_y_2^1 3y_1, dy_1. text This should not be int_0^1.
            $$
            The main error here appears to be trying to solve math problems by proceeding algorithmically rather than by understanding. The educational system in effect encourages that, and professors have their heads buried deep in the sand about that issue.






            share|cite|improve this answer






















            • Could you explain why this works? I thought to get the marginal probability of $Y_2$ we have to integrate over all $Y_1$. What is the difference between this way and the way @the_candyman did it with $dy_1$?
              – 1337
              Aug 26 at 21:09











            • @1337 : Sorry --- I mistook one variable for the other. I've fixed it.
              – Michael Hardy
              Aug 26 at 21:13










            • Here you're using the fact that $y_2 le y_1le 1$ $vphantomdfrac1int$except in regions where the density is zero. @1337
              – Michael Hardy
              Aug 26 at 21:13













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            $$
            f_Y_2(y_2) = int_y_2^1 3y_1, dy_1. text This should not be int_0^1.
            $$
            The main error here appears to be trying to solve math problems by proceeding algorithmically rather than by understanding. The educational system in effect encourages that, and professors have their heads buried deep in the sand about that issue.






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            $$
            f_Y_2(y_2) = int_y_2^1 3y_1, dy_1. text This should not be int_0^1.
            $$
            The main error here appears to be trying to solve math problems by proceeding algorithmically rather than by understanding. The educational system in effect encourages that, and professors have their heads buried deep in the sand about that issue.







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            • Could you explain why this works? I thought to get the marginal probability of $Y_2$ we have to integrate over all $Y_1$. What is the difference between this way and the way @the_candyman did it with $dy_1$?
              – 1337
              Aug 26 at 21:09











            • @1337 : Sorry --- I mistook one variable for the other. I've fixed it.
              – Michael Hardy
              Aug 26 at 21:13










            • Here you're using the fact that $y_2 le y_1le 1$ $vphantomdfrac1int$except in regions where the density is zero. @1337
              – Michael Hardy
              Aug 26 at 21:13

















            • Could you explain why this works? I thought to get the marginal probability of $Y_2$ we have to integrate over all $Y_1$. What is the difference between this way and the way @the_candyman did it with $dy_1$?
              – 1337
              Aug 26 at 21:09











            • @1337 : Sorry --- I mistook one variable for the other. I've fixed it.
              – Michael Hardy
              Aug 26 at 21:13










            • Here you're using the fact that $y_2 le y_1le 1$ $vphantomdfrac1int$except in regions where the density is zero. @1337
              – Michael Hardy
              Aug 26 at 21:13
















            Could you explain why this works? I thought to get the marginal probability of $Y_2$ we have to integrate over all $Y_1$. What is the difference between this way and the way @the_candyman did it with $dy_1$?
            – 1337
            Aug 26 at 21:09





            Could you explain why this works? I thought to get the marginal probability of $Y_2$ we have to integrate over all $Y_1$. What is the difference between this way and the way @the_candyman did it with $dy_1$?
            – 1337
            Aug 26 at 21:09













            @1337 : Sorry --- I mistook one variable for the other. I've fixed it.
            – Michael Hardy
            Aug 26 at 21:13




            @1337 : Sorry --- I mistook one variable for the other. I've fixed it.
            – Michael Hardy
            Aug 26 at 21:13












            Here you're using the fact that $y_2 le y_1le 1$ $vphantomdfrac1int$except in regions where the density is zero. @1337
            – Michael Hardy
            Aug 26 at 21:13





            Here you're using the fact that $y_2 le y_1le 1$ $vphantomdfrac1int$except in regions where the density is zero. @1337
            – Michael Hardy
            Aug 26 at 21:13











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            To find $E(Y_2)$ you should use a double integral since the density function has two variables.
            begineqnarray*
            E(Y_2) &=& int_0^1 int_0^y_1 3 y_1 y_2 ,, dy_2 dy_1 \
            E(Y_2) &=& int_0^1 frac 3 y_1 y_2^22 Bigg|_y_2=0^y_2=y_1 ,, dy_1 =
            int_0^1 frac3y_1^32 ,, dy_1 \
            E(Y_2) &=& frac3y_1^48 Big|_0^1 \
            E(Y_2) &=& frac38
            endeqnarray*



            I hope this helps. Feel free to ask a follow up question.
            Bob






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              To find $E(Y_2)$ you should use a double integral since the density function has two variables.
              begineqnarray*
              E(Y_2) &=& int_0^1 int_0^y_1 3 y_1 y_2 ,, dy_2 dy_1 \
              E(Y_2) &=& int_0^1 frac 3 y_1 y_2^22 Bigg|_y_2=0^y_2=y_1 ,, dy_1 =
              int_0^1 frac3y_1^32 ,, dy_1 \
              E(Y_2) &=& frac3y_1^48 Big|_0^1 \
              E(Y_2) &=& frac38
              endeqnarray*



              I hope this helps. Feel free to ask a follow up question.
              Bob






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                To find $E(Y_2)$ you should use a double integral since the density function has two variables.
                begineqnarray*
                E(Y_2) &=& int_0^1 int_0^y_1 3 y_1 y_2 ,, dy_2 dy_1 \
                E(Y_2) &=& int_0^1 frac 3 y_1 y_2^22 Bigg|_y_2=0^y_2=y_1 ,, dy_1 =
                int_0^1 frac3y_1^32 ,, dy_1 \
                E(Y_2) &=& frac3y_1^48 Big|_0^1 \
                E(Y_2) &=& frac38
                endeqnarray*



                I hope this helps. Feel free to ask a follow up question.
                Bob






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                To find $E(Y_2)$ you should use a double integral since the density function has two variables.
                begineqnarray*
                E(Y_2) &=& int_0^1 int_0^y_1 3 y_1 y_2 ,, dy_2 dy_1 \
                E(Y_2) &=& int_0^1 frac 3 y_1 y_2^22 Bigg|_y_2=0^y_2=y_1 ,, dy_1 =
                int_0^1 frac3y_1^32 ,, dy_1 \
                E(Y_2) &=& frac3y_1^48 Big|_0^1 \
                E(Y_2) &=& frac38
                endeqnarray*



                I hope this helps. Feel free to ask a follow up question.
                Bob







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